/jazz/ general

favorite Coltrane album. go

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Reminder that big band, swing, and basically all jazz before cool jazz and hard bop is underrated.

Has anyone read Miles Davis' autobiography? It dropped a lot in price on Amazon and I just got paid, so I think I might get it. Also any other jazz books worth reading?

>>72315934
>Reminder that big band, swing, and basically all jazz before cool jazz and hard bop is underrated.
Tell that to the legions of people out there who got their jazz history from Ken Burns.

>>72315996
I heard it's an amusing read but I still haven't gotten to it.
>any other jazz books worth reading?
Ted Gioia - The History of Jazz

>>72315996
I read it and he swears a lot :(

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>>72315926

>>72315934
i'm kinda a hard bop slut. rec me some big band and swing?

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>>72316140
Ellington's early stuff, Benny Goodman, and Basie are obvious places to start. I also really like Teddy Wilson and Stan Kenton.

>>72316049
what in tarnation

>>72315934
True. I agree with >>72316024's sentiment, but I'm definitely down for some early jazz discussion/shares/recs.

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>>72315934
>>72316361
got any favorite Chronological Classics?

Jazz serves a cultural function in the music scene. It is a signifier for musical "adulthood." To embrace jazz is to don a kind of graduation cap, signifying a broadening of tastes outside "mere" rock music. This ostentatious display of "sophistication" is an insult, and I find the graduation cappers transparent and tedious. Certainly there must be interesting music one could call "jazz." There must be. I've never heard it, but I grant that it is out there somewhere.
Jazz has a non-musical parallel: Christiania, the "free" zone in Copenhagen. In Christiania, like in jazz, there is no law. People are left to their own inventions to create and act as they see fit.

In Jazz, the musicians are allowed to improvise over and beside structural elements that may themselves be extemporaneous. Sounds good, doesn't it? Freedom -- sounds good. The reality is much bleaker. Christiania is a squalid, trashy string of alleys with rag-and-bone men selling drugs, tie-dye and wretched food. Granted Total Freedom, and this is what they've chosen to do with it, sell hash and lentil soup? Jazz is similar. The results are so far beneath the conception that there is no English word for the dissappointment one feels when forced to confront it.

Granted Total Freedom, you've chosen to play II V I and blow a goddamn trill on the saxophone? Only by willfully ignoring its failings can one pretend to appreciate it as an idiom and don the cap.

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>>72316398
>I never got to download the entire Chronological Classics collage on WCD before it got shut down
>I'll probably never get another chance to do so
Bad feels man.

>>72316398
>>72316454
Shit. I didn't even realize this was a thing until right now...

>>72316454
somebody somewhere probably still has the link to the torrent don't they?

>>72316479
definitely the best resource for pre-50's jazz

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>>72315926
i could never answer this but ive been listening to a lot of pic related recently. the energy from live stuff around a love supreme but before sunship is just so damn intense. but my favorite music of all time is the stuff once the band became trane, jimmy, sanders, alice, and ali.
>>72315996
definitely worth a read but i cant call it a good autobiography haha. Mingus's is a fantastic read but idk what the fuck it is.
>>72316263
honestly i really only love the early ellington stuff and even thats mostly starting when blanton joins. my knowledge of the stuff is pretty weak, but i played a big band gig tonight. i felt bad that my main reference was richard davis's playing with thad and mel.
>>72316049
what in tarnation
>>72315448
fantastic review jtg. and thank you to whoever OP is for getting some /jazz/ going.

>also
whats everyones favorite, classic vocalist record? i really need to check out some good Sarah Vaughn, Ella, or carmen. preferably with small group?
>and
favorite bass players?

>>72316454
>>72316398
>>72316479
holy shit this looks fantastic...

>More discussion than /classical/
>dies at less than 50 replies
just kill me senpai

>>72316502
Interesting. We should definitely look into acquiring as much as possible and sharing it with the general.

>>72316649
>fantastic review jtg.
He's really quite good.

>thank you to whoever OP is for getting some /jazz/ going.
No problem. There was a Hathut edition earlier today that I wanted to keep bumped before heading off to dinner, but it got away (as usual).

>>72316690
Shame.

/mu/ has no respect for or interest in jazz. /classical/ only survives through the power of turboautists constantly bumping the thread.

>>72316708
>We should definitely look into acquiring as much as possible and sharing it with the general.
I'd be down for a /jazz/ megas the same way /classical/ does.

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Re-uploading these.One of the best resources for jazz history.

Collection of almost all the Blue Note liner notes.
Here's the 1500 series.
http://www73.zippyshare.com/v/4coeA2Hn/file.html

>>72316708
ah man, i might have to try to read it in the archive. ive had to play on 4 recitals this week and had a big band gig today so ive had little time for posting. i read alot of the jazz threads on my phone throughout the day. got to listen to some good shit though, some james brown and some richie beirach (i know i spelled that shit wrong).

>>72316781
downloaded. thank you so much.

>>72316410
Steve Albini is a fucking idiot.

>>72316749
This. Like a nice big old folder of stuff (particularly if it's rare stuff not available on streaming services and such).

I'm also still down for making the essentials/entry level chart and mega folder for different jazz eras/styles.

>>72316745
the thing is /mu/ dosen't have any respect for classical either, if you look now it's just the same boring discussion over and over again
>"Can i become a virtuoso?"
>Links to random piece without even saying something on it
>/classical/ memes

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>>72316781
4000 series, first three parts

1. http://www73.zippyshare.com/v/3AP325bV/file.html
2. http://www73.zippyshare.com/v/3AP325bV/file.html
3. http://www73.zippyshare.com/v/3AP325bV/file.html

>>72316955
Don't forget
>"Petzold" being spammed in every thread
>random /pol/-posting
>trashing jazz and other genres because "hurr degeneracy"

>>72316963

you got the same link three times there

thanks for posting these! reading liner notes when you buy old records is great, so a these are a great resource to have around

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>>72316963
I would like to know if the album's title has something to do with barnett newman's black fire

>>72317003
Ah good call. Blue Note's liner notes are always so well written too.


Here are the real links:
http://www73.zippyshare.com/v/3AP325bV/file.html

http://www73.zippyshare.com/v/6EuKdXUh/file.html

http://www73.zippyshare.com/v/EVHxmObd/file.html

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>>72317056
Parts 4, 5, and 6

http://www73.zippyshare.com/v/vTRsf47F/file.html

http://www73.zippyshare.com/v/R41Di5Vc/file.html

http://www73.zippyshare.com/v/HlyPzJjx/file.html

>>72316745
>>72316690
/classical/ as well as /bleep/ and some other generals survive for the sake of off-topic shitposts bumping the thread. /jazz/ as it is is rather perfect if you ask me.

Does jtg even post anymore?

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Can you guys recommend me material similar to Coltrane's My Favorite Things and that third stream Yugoslav album that was posted in the last thread?

Jazz but with somewhat poppy qualities, I guess?

>>72317159
I'm pretty sure he mostly posts anonymously now since so many autists started shitposting against him, especially in the sharethreads from back in the day.

>>72317142
>/bleep/
It's gotten so shit these past couple years.

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>>72317124
Parts 7 and 8

http://www73.zippyshare.com/v/EjgnwRy2/file.html

http://www73.zippyshare.com/v/pSkND0Bg/file.html

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>>72317124
if youre willing to keep posting, im still downloading! this is great shit, thank you man.

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>>72317184

>>72316781
>>72316963
>>72317056
>>72317124
>>72317205
Thanks so much for these!

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thanks to jazz anon in other thread that just posed a bunch of zippys to some cool records im listening to Dewey Redman's "Look for the Black Star" for the first time. jazz threads are good.

>>72317293
Maybe I'll post some good Downbeat articles tomorrow. Either in this thread or in some future thread.

>>72317532
That would be much appreciated!

What is your pick for most underrated jazz album ever?

>>72317644
Compared to her husband Alice Coltrane is pretty underrated. I can see why since her music is more experimental, but she still produces some beautiful music. I like her album "Ptah the El Daoud"

Do the lyrics 'if the world could love one another all of the world would be as one'?
It was a track in a blindfold thread and it had some vocal improv towards the middle. Trying to get the artists name since I forgot it long ago.

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That would be Leon Thomas - One off of Spirits Known and Unknown

always nice to see someone remember something from the blindfolds :D

i'm really depressed because no one on any board or website is talking about anything interesting or profound. I feel like the only person who wants to discuss music of more obscure or deeper varieties. this is a good thread though.

muzikchan switch when?

>>72318662
Start the thread, I'll post.

http://www.musikchan.com/music/index.html

we'll try it out

i'm going to bed now

>>72316140
Count Basie & His Orchestra - Breakfast, Dance & Barbecue. It's his best imo and it swings so damn hard. His In a Mellow Tone there is amazing, far superior to Ellington's. At Birdland is also pretty good. Basie tends to be much better live.

Also Jazz at the Santa Monica Civic '72

>>72319813
Also, the sense of unity and the organic nature of the orchestra has never been greater than on Breakfast, Dance & Barbecue. The sound quality is fantastic, the orchestration rich. There are some weaker songs featuring Joe Williams and Cute, but just listen to In a Mellow Tone, you won't regret it. Other highlights are: Counter Block, Who, Me? If you're interested in Birdland, check out Corner Pocket (it's best performance of it anywhere).

This is Basie at the height of his powers, showcasing what a truly tight big band can achieve.

>>72316649
>whats everyones favorite, classic vocalist record? i really need to check out some good Sarah Vaughn, Ella, or carmen. preferably with small group?
Third CD of Jazz at the Santa Monica Civic 72 has several very strong performances of Ella. A great rendition of Marvin Gaye's What's Going On is on there too. In C-Jam Blues she competes with the blowers, quite funny.

Overall the album suffers at times from the common problems of J.A.T.P. recordings (second CD), but Basie's and Ella's sets are pretty solid (poor version of In a Mellow Tone though).

Here Ella forgets the lyrics of Mack the Knife and because of that improvises almost the entire song, actually enhancing the performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI5fU6ZbyaA

Up until The Tea Break (plus Don't Worry 'Bout Me & Makin' a Whoopee), Sinatra at the Sands is great.

>>72319813
>>72320015
Is there no one listening to this?

>>72316398
I listened to most of the Cab Calloway one. I kinda just wish I'd had somebody else curating what they thought I should hear. I'm too lazy to go dumpster diving and after it kinda fell out of my rotation, I've never been bothered to go back to it.

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In Touch is the best Zeuhl track not done by Magma

>>72316649
>whats everyones favorite, classic vocalist record?
I've got a real soft spot for the Ella and Louis collabs. Porgy and Bess in particular.
>i really need to check out some good Sarah Vaughn, Ella, or carmen. preferably with small group?
Vaughn, I've only heard the '55 s/t which is pretty good! Brownie's on trumpet.
For small groups with Ella, the one with Louis that's just called Ella and Louis and Live in Berlin are pretty great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR1__k-BxhY&ab_channel=MichaelClarke
>carmen
I've only heard Pretre. The group's not very small but the vocals are immaculate.
>favorite bass players?
Scott LaFaro, Paul Chambers, Jimmy Garrison, Ron Carter, Dave Holland, Charles Mingus, Charlie Haden, William Parker, Cecil McBee and Michael Formanek

>>72320912
Ella's Louis Armstrong impression is rivaled only by Leonard Bernstein's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxotcFALP8k&ab_channel=phalenopsis1

https://youtu.be/7wHrLHRY3G0?t=57s

Who are the best modern pianists?

My favorites are Monk and Tyner if that helps.

>>72322461
Craig Taborn
David Virelles
Orrin Evans
Vijay Iyer
Luis Perdomo

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>>72322977

can anyone recommend some stuff thats a bit like this? i cannot stop listening to it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge9_YFvPBpM Vladimir Konovalov Jazz Orchestra - The legend of the Araratsky valley

>>72322883
>>72322899
>>72322920
>>72322959
>>72322977
>>72323000
moar like this pls

total newfag here

what are some "muh deep rainy mood"-jazz artists/songs?

I want to feel like I sit at a bus station in Kyoto late night while it's raining.

>>72316649
Seconding vocal jazz recs, especially for Ella. I'm only familiar with her songbook records (which are GOAT by the way.)

Are there any other good reviewers on RYM or bloggers or anything? JTGs reviews are ok but he mostly reviews obscure stuff.

>>72322461
Check out Tigran Hamasyan. He blends a lot of different styles into his music so it may not be exactly what you're looking for, but he's a modern pianist you need to hear regardless.

>>72322861
Recs for Evans and Perdomo? I've heard of the other ones but not them.

>>72326026
Zappaholics reviews are usually ok and he has reviewed a lot of the classics. Jazzis is good but he reviews a lot of European stuff. Most of it is more obscure than jtg's.

I don't know about many blogs but freejazzblog.org has good reviews of modern free stuff.

>>72326026
I really like ploooomysunday, tons of jazz and old meme classical recordings.

>>72316122
Miles, Davis, the list could go on and on...

>>72316410
realizing steve albini is such a fucking idiot was like finding out the foo fighters were HIV deniers.

>>72326172
Perdomo is great on all of the Miguel Zenon quartet records. Also his album Links is a favorite, it's also with Miguel Zenon. The Infancia Project is Latin jazz but really good too.

As for Evans, check out his album Captain Black.

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>>72316410
>read Albini jazz pasta
>never heard of him
>look up some of his music
>it's all 3 chord buttrock
>mfw

>>72323000
where do you find stuff like this?

Does anybody here collect jazz on vinyl? Have anything rare or anything that you're especially proud of?

>>72315448

Jtg is my husbando. I think about him every night.

>>72315926

My Fav Things, A Love Supreme, Meditations, Giant Steps in that order

>>72316410

1. Christiania is a fun place
2. Lentils soup is beyond delicious
3. Steve is a hack

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What is /mu/'s opinion on Django Reinhardt?

>>72328084
Very good

>>72319580
full of plebs

>>72328084
God-tier

>>72328863
>full

There's like 8 posters.

>>72327586
Looks like it's from down beat magazine. JTG used to post stuff from his collections of old down beat issues so I would assume its him.

>>72328863
i just want a /mu/ alternative

i hate this shitty board

>>72328863
And /mu/ isn't?

You could help build a better board for discussion, why so loyal to Jap Moot?

>>72316454
>>72316479
>>72316483
>>72316502
>>72316685
it's all on RED. do any of you have an account there? if not i can grab it for you if you tell me what format you want

>>72329544
pls do. Is 320 MP3 alright with everyone?

>>72329544
>>72329580
Wait... are we talking about the entire CC discography?

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>>72329580
actually i just found what appears to be a complete collection in 320 on Soulseek. shared by username "genushaha." try that first, could save time

>>72329636
oops i misread, i was only referring to the Teddy Wilson CC releases. however this collage of 347 releases exists on RED so it is available

>>72329667
That's going to take FOREVER to download on slsk. Some bored jazz-loving anon should dl it and make a torrent for us...

JTG if you're in this thread. How big is your collection of Downbeats?

Any artist that specialize or use the Rhodes heavily?
Some chillwave Jazz almost

>>72329960
Maybe check out Robert Glasper

>>72329544
What's RED?

>>72329688
this

>>72327733
I have what I think is a first pressing of Miles Smiles. I felt especially good since I got it for about 10 bucks, and a month later saw another one that was 50 or 60.

>>72324905
Brubeck's Jazz Impressions of Japan has a few tracks which suit that.
>>72315996
Yes, it's great. Several anecdotes are questionable in their veracity, but always entertaining. I read when I'd only gotten in to his earlier music and as I've gotten in to each later album I go back to it and find fascinating things he said about it. Herbie's is also pretty good, as well as Robin Kelley's biography of Monk.

>>72329803
I've got whole years of 1943 and 1960
I've got almost all of them from 1964 to 1970
and then a bunch of randoms from the 50's, 60's, and 70's

what's the best way to troll a /jazz/ thread?

>>72331764
>Say that Kamasi Washington, BBNG, Pharoah Sanders, Peter Brotzmann, Sun Ra, Bohren and Der Club of Gore, Ryo Fukui or Snarky Puppy are GOAT
>Say jazz is boring or all sounds the same
>Say jazz is dead
There's probably other stuff that trolls or people who know fuck all about jazz say that usually sparks vapid arguments that I'm forgetting, but those are some of the big ones.

>>72332018
I understand that Kamasi is overrated, but is it really controversial to say Sun Ra is GOAT?

Haven't heard of the others, sorry, I'm new here.

>>72332163
I don't think many people would disagree that something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_PswgsM3gE&ab_channel=pastoratet
is a great arrangement and composition.
I imagine there's probs a lot of people that like his free stuff like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsxDwdXMQTI&ab_channel=VwsVas
too.
However, there's a general consensus that he released a lot of poorly made trite that tends to get wrongly fetshised by avant-teens. Stuff like the lofi free improv noodling sessions where every member of the Arkestra with a free pair of hands is handed out some random percussion instrument they had lying around the studio.

>>72331524
mother of god post some shit from the 1943 downbeats

>>72331524
POST EM IF YOU GOT EM SIN

>>72332488
I love Sun Ra but this is a pretty fair assessment really and honestly I don't really listen to his stuff in the same way that I listen to most other jazz that I like.

>>72331764
sometimes people get pretty butthurt if you say that all jazz is pop music and that only 'classical' music counts as art music

>>72332826
/classical/ says this exact thing all the time, only with more racism

>>72332848
always makes me laugh that somebody could consider something like Out to Lunch or Conference of the Birds to be pop music

>>72333004
because "muh certain jazz is pop, so all jazz is pop" and "muh degeneracy" and "muh black people are animals" and "muh only white europeans direct descendants of such are capable of creating any worthwhile form of art"

>>72332826
It is though. That classification system is useful for talking about different musical traditions in relation to how the music is transmitted and it has nothing to do with quality though.
Some elitist classical fanatic might say that only art music is worth listening to, but that's a different claim.

>>72333135
How is it useful to classify music based on how its transmitted though? Usually people say that art music is written down, whereas pop is recorded, but what about big band compositions and arrangements that are completely scored out, other than any improvised solos, are those art music? What about baroque music with figured bass? Why is that art music but jazz written in lead sheet notation isn't?

>>72317214
this album is good

>tfw your best friend and songwriting partner of 30 dies
>heartbroken
>never got the credit he deserved for making your career
>two months go by and you get the band into the studio to record an album of his songs
>people who spent most of their careers working with this guy
>everyone still emotional after his death and wanna do something worthwhile, something that'll speak to how much they admired him
>goes really well
>session ends
>still doesn't feel like enough
>how could it ever be enough?
>band is packing up and it occurs to you that you didn't even play your favourite song by him
>sit down at the piano and start playing
>thinking about how much he meant to you, you try rendering that feeling best you can
>studio engineer sees there's some tape left and figures he should record

Is there a better closer to an album?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elo63IXDGjM&ab_channel=sofullyours

>>72333600
classic. thanks anon

>How is it useful to classify music based on how its transmitted though?
Umbrella terms like Art, Folk and pop give larger frameworks from within which one can talk about different musical streams.
>Usually people say that art music is written down, whereas pop is recorded, but what about big band compositions and arrangements that are completely scored out, other than any improvised solos, are those art music?
Nope. Partially because of the improvised solos and partially because Buddy Rich's primary means of getting his works heard was to record them, not to release sheet music that the other big bands could pick up and play.
>What about baroque music with figured bass?Why is that art music but jazz written in lead sheet notation isn't?
Improvised accompaniment is a bit of a weird one because it takes the compositional onus away from the composer. I'd like to say it gets classified as art music because the majority of a some baroque piece with figured bass is gonna be notated and distributed primarily through its score, but it's probably easier to just say convention.

>>72333777
Well what about concertos with improvised cadenzas? Also you use the example of Buddy Rich, but there were plenty of arrangers and composers in the 30's and 40's whose primary means of getting their works heard actually WAS to release sheet music, for both professional or amateur bands to play. "Dance bands." Most of them are obscure now (because their works were never really recorded much) but Bill Holman or Sammy Nestico are good examples.

Ironically, this is probably the period when most people would agree that jazz has the MOST in common with pop music, but its also when jazz was probably written out the most and transmitted via sheet music.

So basically, I think it's an idiotic way to classify music. Too problematic, and too many weird exceptions.

>>72333981
>Well what about concertos with improvised cadenzas?
Same deal as with figured bass. I think you're reaching too hard to find exceptions to something that's only supposed to be a model though. Music isn't an exact science and you're bound to get fuzzy lines around any term you want to invent. Like Rhapsody in Blue, which I mean....third stream? But then the solo was only improvised once and then written down, so no? Was it jazz when it was played at the premier, then did it become classical? Was it pop music when Brian Wilson rearranged the intro for his Gershwin album?

>there were plenty of arrangers and composers in the 30's and 40's whose primary means of getting their works heard actually WAS to release sheet music, for both professional or amateur bands to play. "Dance bands." Most of them are obscure now (because their works were never really recorded much) but Bill Holman or Sammy Nestico are good examples.
Huh. That's news to me. Were they any good?

>>72334233
>Same deal as with figured bass.
Actually I was comparing it to a big band chart that is 90% scored out and then has a minute and a half of improvised solos. Very much like a concerto.

>Music isn't an exact science and you're bound to get fuzzy lines around any term you want to invent.
My point exactly. Even the widely accepted labels- Classical, Romantic, Hard Bop, Modal jazz, are all very fuzzy and hard to define. So it makes even less sense to try to classify ALL jazz as pop music.

>Were they any good?
Bill Holman and Sammy Nestico were great arrangers. They really aren't the best examples probably because their charts did get recorded relatively often, but there are plenty of now mostly forgotten arrangers who probably almost never had their stuff recorded.

>>72332716
>>72332732
busy now. maybe another time I can post some stuff from the '43 issues. They're pretty different though. They unfold more like a newspaper than a magazine. And most of the content is more like 'music news' than analysis, interviews, and criticism like the magazine became in the 60's.

>>72334376
But like, what's the alternative? Do you think /classical/ should be renamed: "/that semicontinuous, mostly western tradition with the written notation that's been happening for the past 1500 years/"? Maybe we should call /jazz/ "/mostly improvised music/"?

>>72334580
I don't have problems with labels like classical and jazz- those are actually helpful, even if they're hard to define absolutely. But trying to lump all music into three categories- art, pop, and traditional, is just asinine. ESPECIALLY if you're going to say things like "ALL jazz lands in the pop category." That's double asinine.

>>72334580
/canon/ and /blackamerican/

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>>72321699
>>72320912
noted. thanks cats, yall are some bad motherfuckers. thanks for the vocal recs. these threads have started getting pretty ridiculous at providing really beautiful, important shit to listen to.

>bass player stuff
whats some of your favorite scott la faro shit? ive heard a lot of stuff hes on, especially the well known stuff but for some reason i always like gary peacock more in that period and im pissed someone told me they were similar players cause now i cant stop comparing them. ive never been a serious scott guy.

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>>72334968
Scott LaFaro - Pieces of Jade
Stan Getz - Stan The Man

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>>72335057
this too

>>72334637
D'ya know what actually...having mulled it over, I think I'm reasonably convinced. It feels a bit less like having a fancy Theory of Everything, but more widely used terms like classical music and jazz give a decent replacement for terms like art music without the need to lump together musical traditions that are largely unrelated.
>>72334968
>whats some of your favorite scott la faro shit?
Well, the obvious but true answers would be Bill at the Vanguard, Free Jazz and Jazz Abstractions but you've heard those.
Bill Evans at birdland, Ornette!, The Arrival of Victor Feldman are also great. Thinking about who Scott could have collabed with had he not died is kind of a pastime of mine. I feel like he probably would have been perfect for the speed-jazz experiments Max Roach and Sonny Rollins embarked on in the late 50s.
Listen to that walk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmIxswvPByA&ab_channel=ossopalatino
It's fucking immaculate. I can't walk that well at half that speed.

The world would have been a better place if
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yke9KZpH5vU&ab_channel=nickwreiter
was recorded with Scott on bass and maybe someone else on piano too... Drew and Morrow do the best they can but man, Sonny and Max are there legit spitting some really creative ideas but the other two sound like they're barely holding on.
>>72335057
>>72335122
These too. I was actually only listening to Stan the man and Pieces a few days ago.

>>72334538
>And most of the content is more like 'music news' than analysis, interviews, and criticism like the magazine became in the 60's.
Interesting.

>>72334538
god bless

>>72329688
Ain't nobody got time to do download all that. Forget about listening to it all.

>>72335620
>>72335866
there's some interesting stuff in the '43 issues though. I go through them sometimes to see if I can find any mention of Charlie Parker, since nobody knew who he was at the time. I think he was playing with Earl Hines' band for most of '43

>>72335894
True, but it's nice to have just for posterity's sake and as a historical reference

>>72335894
This >>72336083
Plus even if you can never actually listen to it all, it'd be nice to have it there if you do want to listen to it.

>>72315926
Ascension

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuHNqaN5CmU
Cortex - Tropeau Bleu

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been listening to some lester young, billy hart, bill mchenrey, nina simone, abbey lincoln, and monk today. it was a pretty nice day man. what about everyone else?

https://discord.gg/gYS7z

get in jazzcord lads~

>>72337493
Also
>>72319580

>>72337479
today started off well but it went to shit real quick, any recs for this?

damn i love big band tb h

Just got rec'd Phillip Catherine

Any essential guitar jazz?

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post what you're listening to right now

These are easily the best threads here. Thank you /jazz/.

>>72341050
Extrapolation

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>>72341050
picked up this from RSD, listening to it now

>>72341745
neato

>>72340981
Mentioned earlier in the thread, Django Reinhardt was named King of Jazz Guitar, so his music is essential.

>>72341745
Man, that is not a great cover.

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>>72342049
not a particularly noteworthy album either outside Swedish/Nordic jazz history desu, but it's nice that due to RSD some relatively obscure stuff that hasn't been released on vinyl in over 30 years is being made available again

now listening to the other jazz album I picked up today - Dexter Gordon recorded live in Copenhagen in 1967 with Kenny Drew, Niels-Henning Orsted Pedersen and Albert "Tootie" Heath, an RSD exclusive of tracks never before released on vinyl - this is sounding pretty good

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>>72341050
Listening to this for the first time. No idea what's happening. There's so much going on and my attention keeps flitting between different things.

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>>72324905
Bill is still broken up about Scott's death and does an album of sad songs/ballads. Israels really gets Bill and plays off the emotional state he's in here. In that sense, it's a fitting continuation of the trio, mourning the old one in it's spirit of democratic interplay.
Chuck's style is very different to Scott's, more pensive and subdued. There's none of the fiery passion that the sessions with Scott often had, but that's not a bad thing. It's just not that type of record.

>>72315996
Marshall Stearns' Jazz Dance, The Story of Jazz

>>72317976
That was an interesting one... Like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNpHNH597bc&ab_channel=urrundu
but less comedic. I find the yodely vocals are kinda hard to take completely seriously.

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>>72344261
just fun scat things

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Z6OJBYuDI

>>72342928
that's what makes it good, I feel like you can listen to this 10 times and still hear new stuff in every listen

>>72341050
My man!!!!!

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>>72339315
Sorry, eastcoastfag got high and fell asleep. Id say uplift yourself with some early ornette, change of the century maybe? Hope it gets better friendo.
>nuff nuff phone posting

Jews are unironically an important stepping stone for the development of jazz.
>Klezmer influence on Goodman's playing
>several Jewish tin pan ally writers (allegedly Cole Porter told Richard Rogers that his secret for writing songs was making up "Jewish tunes")
>Louis Armstrong got his first cornet from a Jewish family

>>72345184
you're forgetting some other important folks
>Alfred Lion
>Nat Hentoff
>Ira Gitler
>Bob Weinstock (?)

>>72345184
>>72345379
Really I think it's pretty difficult to find any facet of the 20th century entertainment industry that Jews didn't have a pretty big hand in shaping

Sports maybe...

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God tier hard bop album

Why ain't y'all listening to more Art?

I'm sad JTG doesn't post much here anymore, I really learned a lot from his threads. I'll just check out his RYM page.

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>>72315934
>hard bop

Nothing wrong with hard bop, faggot. 11 minutes of Art Blakey's Free For All, you can't go wrong.

Post more hard bop like Art Blakey.

am I the only one who doesn't like jtg's reviews that much? too wordy and technical.

>>72346672

Actually the technical aspect helps some of us who would like to know more, or who enjoy playing jazz themselves. The reviews are more professional in that light, and not just another random RYM dude.

>>72346672
I like the stuff he writes, just wish he would review more of the classics

>>72346672
I think he could do with translating his analysis of the music more into analysis of how it makes him feel, but I'm always interested to hear the things he notices and the way he describes things. His blindfold reviews were often the highlight of those threads.

>>72346351
Blues music can be a tad predictable. The best of Art's stuff most certainly isn't, but a lot of hard bop is just kind of blase. It's a solid bedrock that you can build a lot of cool stuff on, it's just easy to make quite shallow music out of it too.

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anyone here listen to free jazz? or is it just 50s - 60s canonical jazz?

>>72348130
>free jazz

Sounds interesting, what could you recommend to a hard bopfag like myself?

>>72348238
Start with Coleman, and then move on to this entry level stuff
Cecil Taylor's early 60s bands
Keith Jarrett's European quartet
Ellery Eskelin
Anthony Braxton's standards project
Cuong Vu's quartet
Paul Bley's trio

>>72348450

Thanks a lot anon, I'm gonna go check these out!

>>72348450
>Anthony Braxton's standards project
Free versions of standards?

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>>72332716
>>72332732
>>72334538
As promised. Here's some stuff from some 1943 Down Beat issues. If people are interested in this stuff I can post more.

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>>72349361
Here's a typical inside cover with news stories

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>>72349406
There aren't really record reviews or anything but they do review new big band arrangements which is kind of interesting

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>>72349459
Some of the issues have transcriptions. Usually of pianists, not many horn transcriptions for some reason.

>>72349406
>Gene Krupa pleaded guilty to having his valet bring weed from his hotel to a gig
Sique banter

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>>72349535
Here's another transcription. Jimmie Rowles.

>>72349559
There's quite a bit of anti-marijuana propaganda sprinkled throughout these. Some of it is pretty funny. Let me see if I can find some.

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>>72349559
>>72349621
Here's a good one

>>72349029
uh yes

https://youtu.be/ZcYwaFMLUR4

I'm really, really digging this. Anybody got any recs for anything similar?

Thanks JTG!!!!

>>72349406
>>72349459
>>72349535
>>72349590
these are gold. if you feel like posting more i am always interested.

>>72335404
>Listen to that walk:
Holy fuck, thanks for sharing

>other two sound like they're barely holding on.
Sounds like he's fighting with his instruments and losing. Piano is also disappointing (that 'solo'), but Sonny and Max are spectacular!

>>72334968
>these threads have started getting pretty ridiculous at providing really beautiful, important shit to listen to.
I agree, it's as if the jazz threads are from another place.

Also forgot to add that Breakfast, Dance & Barbecue features Joe Williams on some tracks, so swing and a singer.

Here's the What's Going On rendition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFY7UeNwXk4
I know some hardcore Ella fans who say she's at her best here. The album also features her with Tommy Flanagan Trio, so apart from the Count Basie Orchestra she's with a small group like you asked as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBYCGcGITWA

Sinatra at the Sands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5ilXt3hBx8
Another highlight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmGwub9NkUo

>>72348580
Also these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqyznfmsPuk (unbelievably beautfiul)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozaEWOfb754&index=5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_03pDDlSqEc&index=4

If it's too far out try: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB6GkA54n_Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ6lB7FKxi8

>>72350589
>I agree, it's as if the jazz threads are from another place.
/jazz/ threads, and sometimes /out/, /lit/, and /his/ are the only things keeping me from completely abandoning 4chan in general.

I swear this place has gotten even more shit in the past couple years

hi can i get a rec for some comfy jazz albums please? im pretty new to jazz but sitting in my room and really wanting some good but also relaxed jazz to listen to
apart from the obvious ones, I've listened to takuya kuroda's album zigzagger recently and enjoyed it.
also red clay by freddie hubbard.
anything else in this vein would be greatly appreciated
regards,
a /bleep/er who doesn't feel like /bleep/s atm

>>72350692
lls

>>72350717
s/t you are like a rash on my mu experience

>>72349876
This isn't as bad as I thought it would be. They're reasonably fair in their assessment of the effects smoking has on your playing. The talk like the police were inches away from stomping pot out and slapping everyone behind bars is p. cray, but at least they're not demonising the stuff!

>>72350589
Oops, this is with Tommy Flanagan Trio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3xqIZT6mQg

Any new stuff you guys are looking forward to this year?

What Avant-Garde Jazz sample is Earl sweatshirt using on Solace?
I've heard it on the radio before, really good stuff

>>72351005
Let me add to that: it is particularly at around 4:10.
Percusively sounds like someone playing on a food can, over the sound of a smoke detector.

>>72350692
In a Silent Way
Light as a Feather - Chick Corea
Not quite similar but I always get very happy when the horns come in (e.g. 8:30). Izipho Zam is great in general. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjXnkPnVau4
Also not similar but I love the atmosphere of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LtdUitPUxg (sorry for the bad quality, it's also on Spotify)

>>72350679
Not familiar with /out/ and /his/ but /lit/ is shit as well. Maybe not as bad as /mu/ but still.

>>72350589
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqyznfmsPuk
Isn't this like, the last recording he ever did? It's a lot mellower than I thought...I was under the impression that he was all up on Father Son and the Holy Ghost tier scream sessions by this stage in his career.

>>72351292
It's not his last recording he ever did, but it was the first and last time he visited Japan. It's indeed late in his career, that's why the rest of the evening is quite different: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxIVa-QzuQ

I just love how simultaneously economical and free they are playing on Peace on Earth. I think it's an interesting approach and I've never found anything quite like it unfortunately, not like this. It's incredible.

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I don't get it. What's the deal with Albert Ayler?

>>72352898
Spiritual Unity is a very good album.

I have a radio show on my college radio where I focus on trios of all kinds. Any recs for interesting albums past the /mu/ essentials chart?

>>72352898
I find his work very spiritually invoking, like imagining a gang of spirits uplifting listeners and blissfully marching into heaven with them.
In a more literal sense, the way he establishes heads with his group, solos, then sneaks back into them is quite nice. Listen to New York Eye and Ear Control if you haven't.

>>72353796
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6827VWhK9w&ab_channel=DavidPetr%C3%A1%C5%A1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCkqWtnFPBc&ab_channel=1blue1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMXQDs0xCBI&ab_channel=wwwrwable

>>72349535
>>72349590
Can anybody play these? I'm curious what they sound like.

>>72354442
Cool

>>72350904
Gilad Hekselman's new album whenever he drops it.

>>72352898
what i wanna know is why does he have white hair on his chin?

>>72355415
It would take a fair amount of practice. So many tenths in the left hand.

thoughts on eric dolphy?

>>72357675
Out to Lunch deserves every bit of praise it gets

>>72323250
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge9_YFvPBpM
cheers for sharing this anon

Thoughts on "Third Stream"? Also what do you guys think of Gershwin?

>>72323250
Full album download where? This is incredible. Don't have any recs, I'm kinda new to jazz.

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>>72336858

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>>72359270
very interesting work from project led by Atomic and the Thing bassist Ingebrigt Flaten. Punk/hip-hop/jazz fusion stuff, very fun at times

>>72359605
saw this band live a few years ago - very fun stuff

one last bump

>>72349876
That's quite fascinating

>>72357675
makes the bass clarinet sound better than the tenor

>>72359166
He wrote the best glissando of all time.

>>72316410
how does he talk with so much confidence about something he knows so little about . . . . . .

>>72326878
That's just not true

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>>72363385

Is Sun Ra worth listening to?
I bought "The Futuristic Sounds" and it's a very solid album, but I have no idea what other albums to get because most of the reviews / recs from the internet are "the list goes on..." hipsters

>>72364517
Sun Ra is very uneven and has approximately million albums many which are not worth listening to, but he has a lot of good stuff as well

no shame in checking out some compilations:
Marshall Allen presents Sun Ra and His Arkestra: In the Orbit of Ra compiled by his long time sax player who still leads the Arkestra today at 92 and Gilles Peterson presents Sun Ra and His Arkestra are both good for covering a lot of ground quickly

Giles Peterson always struck me as a cool guy

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>bass player also plays cello on a record.

>>72364517
Jazz In Silhouette
The Lady With the Golden Stockings
Cosmic Tones for Mental Therapy
Black Myth
Space is the Place
Lanquidity
Days of Happiness
Sleeping Beauty
are all great

>>72315996
most of the book is stories about him abusing his wives. He doesn't talk about his music that much, which is why I wanted to read it. It was entertaining, but not much more then that

>>72366847
Inaccurate. I can recall one instance of him talking about this.

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bumping with some more of these. Here's an article about Ellington's Black Brown and Beige

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>>72368502
1942 poll winners. Unclear whether it's a critics poll or a reader poll.

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>>72368594
here's an interesting one about race

Quick, recommend me a melancholic Bill Evans album.

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>>72369753

>>72370020
Does Bill Evans have the best album covers in the history of jazz?

>>72368770
This one is a bit too blurry to be legible, my friend.

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>>72322461
Check out Leszek Możdżer. Does awesome solo piano stuff, and is good friends/has collaborated with Marcus Miller.

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>>72370056
Well, Miles had the best covers of any genre, so no.

are there good documentaries about jazz? I've seen the one about chet baker and it was 90% him doing/saying random shit. and I'm watching the one about mingus and so far it's the same

>>72371545
I like eric dolphy - last date

Why does so much Fusion suck dick?

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thoughts on pic related? i love it! also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4duGj6BM2o

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>>72348130
yeah... im a free jazz musician. what do u wanna talk about?

>>72373236
Do you ever just like, slide a sneaky quotation of Heebie Jeebies or Oop Bop Sh'Bam into your free improvisations?

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Newcommer to Jazz. I think I like Big Band but I really love all melodic stuff at its core. I'm loving this entire album, especially this track.

Help redpill me on my taste I can't really describe. Any historical or contemporary stuff similar to this album? I just like nice melodies, I don't care how crazy they get.

https://youtu.be/N4P_B0QzLEo?list=PLCxUWAzUoKAtofLphqNg-Rg6geRfI2929

>>72372628
They can't decide whether to play jazz or dadrock.

>>72374946
Not sure if you'll like it but try the arrangement of Greensleeves by Coltrane, it's on youtube

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>>72373781
haha well free improv, not so much. but my group plays Ramblin' by ornette at every gig and half the time we dont even play the head out, we just play down by the riverside instead cause ill quote it so much after awhile. its my favorite tune.

>>72375158
I listened to it, and kind of like the second half of the track, but still not entirely the thing I think I'm looking for.

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I'm really interested in long Jazz songs at the moment. Post them, and it doesn't need to be complex.

fuck rudy van gelder's piano sound, just kills the dynamics

>>72376833
He really did NOT know how to record and mix piano at all honestly. He always put the mic too close and then high shelf EQed and compressed the shit out of it.

Is Jazz guitar still relevant?

>>72377527
p-pls respond

>>72377527
Yeah. Kurt Rosenwinkel, Mary Halvorson, Jonathan Kreisberg, Lage Lund, Miles Okazaki, all doing cool, interesting stuff.

>>72377527
Depends on what you mean by relavant

>>72379026
are there still great players around?

>>72379425
>>72378412

TEST

TEST ?

TEST 3

>>72379642
>>72379666
>>72379718
What?

Wynton Marsalis

>>72379425
here are some 2017 jazz guitar releases (why some labels won't put even one full sample track on Youtube boggles the mind, but there you go) - you be the judge:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StqnGIj14CM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FIWGfEKru4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tePOdTNsykc
https://www.ecmrecords.com/catalogue/1478859596/up-and-coming-john-abercrombie-quartet
http://player.ecmrecords.com/towner-2516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-UpZC3xSuo
http://www.squidco.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=23050
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RH2yZL1G58
https://eclipsemusicrecordlabel.bandcamp.com/album/beyond

>>72359235
>>72358291

Glad two people liked it. Its a hell of a good track. I'm pretty new to jazz myself so I don't know where to find more of the same. The full album is on youtube but its like a live album of a bunch of different russian jazz artists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz6bYo0d-_c&t=6475s

But there's three songs specifically from this band and they are all pretty top notch. They start at

1:35:44
1:43:57
1:46:26

One after the other. The whole album is worth a listen too. Who knew them russians could fucking swing this hard?

>>72375240
A couple of the lads in a band I'm in come from a metal background and so we have a thing about shoehorning metal into the middle of cute vocal tunes like Night and Day and then just snapping back to light swing. I'm convinced we could run with it and become some sort of weird John Zorn tier novelty band.

>>72381885
Interesting

>>72382115
listen to vagif mustafazade if you haven't already, he's an azeri composer that fused jazz with azerbaijan folk music traditions and is one of the biggest if not the biggest azeri jazz musician out there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJJBtuQkVnk

soviet-era jazz is really underrated in the world quite honestly

>>72384587
This is very cool. Any more?

Why isn't E.S.T. recced more often to rock fans? Fusion stuff like In a Silent Way or Inner Mounting Flame did a great job fusing the jazz stylings of their day with the rock stylings of their day and often they're great albums that get praise from both sides of the fence.
To my ears, E.S.T. captured a similar thing with modern rock and jazz but I don't see them getting the same sort of buzz from rock fans.

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>>72381579
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>72332018
please explain the deal with pharaoh sanders

>>72387524

he came around at a time when it was hip to accentuate the African heritage of jazz music and de-emphasize the European harmonies and pretty much ended up being the biggest name in that sort of black music of the time

this makes him accessible and relatively popular from people who haven't listened to a lot of jazz since you don't have to be accustomed to conventions coming from swing or bop tradition to enjoy the music, but also difficult to dig for bebop and hard bop fans because a lot of the very basic, essential "jazzness" is missing - no traditional swing, no ii-V-I functional harmony or stuff like that

and that's the deal with him as I see it