sell-out core

>>72296212
>implying you can sell out and then make GP/NotM
bruh

If it was BP I would get what you're saying

>>72296274
BP isn't sellout material. I don't really agree that the money store is sell-out exactly, but the Zach and Ride have said in an interview or at least hinted at the fact that that album was influenced by their record label at the time.

>>72296212
>808s
>sellout
if anything it's the opposite

>>72296274
>sighed with a major label
>made a radio-friendly punk rap album

>not a sell-out

>>72296212
>808s
>not graduation

>>72296359
>a pop rap artist makes a legit pop-rnb album
>not a sell-out
are you stupid

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>Sell Out

We're jealous because people are making money and it isn't us.

>>72296274
i get what youre saying. BP reached a wider, and definitely way more fucking annoying audience.

>as if they werent annoying to begin with

please tell me how arca is sellout

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Tonight or Never Let Me Down would also suffice.

>>72296387
>a hip hop artists releases his most experimental record (at the time) that's completely different from anything else he's ever done
doesn't sound like he sold out to me

>>72296212
Kanye's sell out should be Graduation, and Animal Collective's should be Strawberry Jam
Death Grips haven't sold out yet

Modest Mouse - Good News...
Weezer - The Green Album
The Avett Brothers - I and Love and You
Nirvana - Nevermind
The Velvet Underground - s/t
Bruce Springsteen - Born In the U.S.A.
Coldplay - Mylo Xyloto

>>72296212
Who did these artists "sell out" to?

>>72296387
You realize that shit got panned initially right?

>>72296402
i don't think anyone here has explicitly said that any of these albums are bad because they are "sell-out albums" i quite like a lot of the albums listed, but i'd still consider them sell-out core

>>72296412
Eh in particular brought in a whole new wave of edgy teens who can't into any other DG song.

>>72296514
Death Grips totally did sellout on TMS, it's just that right after that they leaked their own album (with a band member's member for the cover) and quit the label to be independent.
There's even an official radio edit of I've Seen Footage, look it up.
Hacker was featured in a battlefield game.

>>72296417
>signed with a major label
>the sound is more accessible
>legit pop tunes
>more than a half of the album is singles
>most of singles are music videos
>his overall image is way more thought-out than it used to be

>not a sell-out

>>72296387

>Hip hop artist makes non-hip hop album, his fans berate him for "giving up on hip hop"
>Album gets slammed for not being normal Kanye
>Sellout

yeah good joke dude

>>72296212
>Art Angels
>sell-out
Sell-out to whom?

>>72296514
>Animal Collective's should be Strawberry Jam
why?

>Kanye's sell out should be Graduation
why?

>Death Grips haven't sold out yet
TMS is a sell-out album

>>72296545
not by the radio stations

>>72296508
than every other rapper from the 90s and 00s who started collaborating with RnB and pop stars and making albums full of such shit aren't sell-outs but experimental artists...

>>72296620
good autism cretin

that statement is relevant to every other artist in OP, and some other albums in that thread at some point

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I am actually concerned there is people on this board that think 808's & Heartbreak is a 'sellout' album.

>>72296212
>sell-outs
Anon, more mainstream-friendly =/= sell-out

>>72296671
because Strawberry Jam is more accessible by the general public than MPP is in my experience
and graduation is just vapid pop-rap with no soul
and i don't even like TMS, but i still don't think it's a sellout album, death grips just got lucky, lots of weird shit gets signed to major labels. Trout Mask Replica was on Reprise

>>72296212
>Arca has made a name of himself creating mainly instrumental electronic music
>His switch to making vocally-lead art pop is somehow him selling out

???

>>72296212
>>72296798
more accessible =/= sell-out

Selling-out is about dramatic changes in authorship of an artist's music - not radical shifts in artistic style or target audience.

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>>72296212
>808s
>sellout

>>72296362
>implying exmilitary wasn't exactly that

>Merriweather
>Sell out
kys OP

>>72296212
How did Arca sell-out?
Did he endorse some bullshit or something?
If you mean the albums content, eh older stuff is more musically interesting, but I think its still more or less in-line with his exploration music.
Actually asking.

>>72296913
how is strawberry jam not a dramatic change?

>>72297006
How ARE any of the others mentioned a dramatic change in authorship?

>>72296803
>>72297003
exactly

>>72296212
Maybe thread should be
Musicians I've seen on /mu/ a couple times instead of just once so now its old news now that more than a handful of people know about them and I'm going to trash talk because I can't make music or actually know what sell-out means so I'm a negcritic-core
Idiot.

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>The Money Store
>sellout
>not Government Plates

>>72296348
What?

>>72296212
Wow, people making insipid pop music continued to do so. What a bunch of sellouts.

>>72296212
ITT: An OP who has absolutely no idea what being a sell-out means.

>>72297119
Exactly

>>72296798
>pop rock album with obnoxious screams is more accessible than watered down synthpop with vocal harmonies
idiot

>pop rap is more accessible than straight up pop
idiot

>radiofriendly punk rap on major label with promotion on such reddit tier bullshit like Adult Swim is not a sellout
idiot

>unironically comparing noisy pop with rapping to TMR
idiot

>>72296749
then what?

>>72296803
>an experiment electronic artist makes a pop album
>not a sellout
read the fucking thread:
>>72296603

>>72297003
>>72297105
read the fucking thread:
>>72296603

>>72297000
>implying it was on major label
>implying TMS is not more poppy than Exmillitary
idiot

>>72296975
read the fucking thread:
>>72296387
>>72296671

>>72297001
elaborate

>>72297176
elaborate

>>72297223
Dylan going electric was considered as a "sellout" move

>>72297333
lol

>>72297333
was it autism?

>>72297364
>lol i cant say anythese productive

>>72297333
nigga u mad

>>72297384
lol idiot

>>72297384
anything*

>>72297382
>having a discussion instead of shitposting is autism
made me think

>>72297350
I'm aware of that, but it's not like Bringing It All Back Home is a pop album. It has some of his best songs - Mr. Tambourine Man, Gates of Eden, It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding). Try any of his albums from the 80's, if you want sellout.

>>72297414
lol

>>72297256
/thread

>>72296212
this is a terrible standard for sell-outery

the more obvious ones would be like American Idiot, shit along those alines

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They went from writing songs like Gut Feeling and deconstructing Satisfaction to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJFQ_-WDKfI

ITT: /mu/drones get offended by the fact someone told them that their beloved album is a sell-out album

>>72297333
We're not lol-ing with you, we're lol-ing at you.
lol

>>72297513
Early Devo is great though

>>72297742
>can't say anything except lol
lol

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It was the right decision desu

>>72297333
>then what?
Then what what? If by this you mean to ask me what I think it DOES mean, see >>72296913

>>72296603
>signed with a major label
XL is independent.

>the sound is more accessible
Subjective. It depends on whether or not you have more of an affinity to electronic music or art pop. This is anecdotal, but I know tons of friends who would dig Arca's instrumental stuff, but would get lost on his newer shit.

>legit pop tunes
Elaborate.

>more than a half of the album is singles
Call me dense, but how is having alot of singles indicative of one being a sellout? It doesn't even look like the singles are packaged in a way to promote individual sale. They are just there.

>most of singles are music videos
There is nothing "sellout" about wanting to have a visual experience to go along with your music. It may promote sales, of course, but that does not equate to being a sellout.

>his overall image is way more thought-out than it used to be
Arca is merely expressing his homosexual anxiety through his work. It is true that he is putting more of himself in his music, but I fail to see how that means he's selling out.

Like I said earlier, it is a risky move to release an album like Arca has released despite building a reputation on a different genre prior. Especially if said music features his own vocals.

It would be more financially safe to release an album of shit he's known to do, but sans any sort of experimental nuance that he's known for. That's not the case with his new album.

>>72297660
ITT: people trying to have an in-depth discussion about something that matters to them

ftfy

>>72297476
>this is a terrible standard
see
>>72296913
The OP clearly just isn't very smart.

>>72297864
>XL is independent.
It's the least independent independent label in the world. It's basically on the edge between 'indie' and 'major'.

>Call me dense, but how is having alot of singles indicative of one being a sellout?
Appearing in media a lot more

>>the sound is more accessible
>Subjective. It depends on whether or not you have more of an affinity to electronic music or art pop.
Are you really implying that personal tastes and general accessibility of my is the same? Yes, you're dense.

>Elaborate
Listen to the fucking album

>Arca is merely expressing his homosexual anxiety through his work.
Through the music? Of course. Through the rest of what Arca is? No.

>There is nothing "sellout" about wanting to have a visual experience to go along with your music. It may promote sales, of course, but that does not equate to being a sellout.
Yes except that all the music sell-outs in the world make music videos to create an image through the visual experience. Is this coincidence that Arca does exactly the same along with making his sound more accessible than it used to be?

>>72296913
>Selling-out is about dramatic changes in authorship of an artist's music
I see you don't understand what a sellout is. Keep believing that your beloved shitty sell-out is not a sellout.

>>72296667
Pitchfork crowd

>>72296913
not that anon, but there are clearly some dramatic changes in those artists' music comparing to what was before those album

>>72296212
Put Gorillaz Humanz in there, their record label got bought out by time warner after the fall and now gorillaz is just advertising random bollocks

>>72296362
What radio stations do you listen to that you can hear Death Grips on

>>72298203
>It's the least independent independent label in the world. It's basically on the edge between 'indie' and 'major'.
It's no Night People, but it still isn't major. Even if Arca did go major, you'd still have to build up more of a rationale than simply that fact.

>Appearing in media a lot more
You have to elaborate, as you are being pretty vague here. What kind of media?

>Are you really implying that personal tastes and general accessibility of my is the same? Yes, you're dense.
You need to rephrase this.

>Listen to the fucking album
Now you are just grasping at straws here. It's my second favorite album from this year.

>Through the music? Of course. Through the rest of what Arca is? No.
You need to rephrase this as well. What is "the rest of what Arca is"?

>Yes except that all the music sell-outs in the world make music videos to create an image through the visual experience...
Just because "sellouts" (by your definition) do certain shit, does not mean that an artist is being a sellout by doing the same shit. Alot of musicians have music videos for christ sake. Also I believe I dressed your "accessibility" claim.

>>72298448
>dressed

adressed

>>72298448
>What kind of media?
Music media, what else?

>Now you are just grasping at straws here
Isn't that fucking obvious that this is a pop album?

>What is "the rest of what Arca is"?
his music videos, his overall image

>It's no Night People, but it still isn't major.
Still, it's the least independent independent label in the world. It's basically on the edge between 'indie' and 'major'.

>You need to rephrase this.
Are you really implying that personal tastes and general accessibility is the same? Yes, you're dense.

>Just because "sellouts" (by your definition) do certain shit, does not mean that an artist is being a sellout by doing the same shit
Just because you don't want to think that an artist you like is a sellout doesn't me he's not a sell-out. He's doing the same shit any other sell-out does, no matter how good in your opinion he does that.

>>72296212
>the best albums from ye, ac and dg
okay

>>72298598
>being this much of a reddit-tier normie
go back please

>>72297849
Faust? Come on now. They were as far removed from being sellouts in the 70's as possible.

>>72298627
Comparing to what their previous music sounds like, this album is how Faust do sell-out.

>>72297333
t. autismo

wasted trips

why didn't The Beatles sell out?

>>72297321
was hoping someone would post this

>>72298589
>Music media, what else?
Holy shit whatever. There are a myriad of atonal, completely non commercial punk bands who only release singles. It's a handy way to promote music.

>Isn't that fucking obvious that this is a pop album?
Making pop =/= selling out. This album still has his experimental edge.

>Still, it's the least independent independent label in the world. It's basically on the edge between 'indie' and 'major'.
That's a bold claim to make. Regardless, I already said that you're gonna need more evidence of "selling out" than a label change.

>Are you really implying that personal tastes and general accessibility is the same? Yes, you're dense.
What makes you the authority on what's accessible and whats not? It's all about perception and prior listening experience. A Jazz aficionado might think that Bitches Brew is accessible, whereas someone who listens to top 40 would think otherwise.

>Just because you don't want to think that an artist you like is a sellout doesn't me he's not a sell-out...
This statement means practically nothing to me. I know he's not a sellout and that's that.

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Her best album, but also her sell-out album

>>72297333
woah....so this is the power...of autism...damn.

>>72296469
>pop singer makes pop album
stop the presses

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>>72296508
>808s
>experimental record (at the time)

>>72298751
Just because it's still somewhat experimental doesn't mean it's not a sell-out. MPP, TMS and AA are also somewhat experimental, still sell-outs.

This is how your unconventional to a degree artists make sell-out albums. Would be weird to expect from something like that pop punk shit.

>>72298657
>>72298790
/mu/ really is full of brainlets
>>72297414

>>72298819
Fair point. I hope that you are the anon I responded you because i'm bored of this argument.

>>72297513
It sounds very cheese and over the top. Is not like the feeling of devo is lost in here completely.
So fuck, you are you not a man?

>>72298755
>>72298732
>>72297256
>>72298799

>>72296387
Were you not aware of how music generally sounded in 2008 or...?

>>72297333
Drugs won't get you high as this
Elaborate elaborate elaborate elaborate

>>72299418
Successful hip-hop artists were collaborating with industry plants rnb/pop singers?

Dark Side of The Moon - Pink Floyd
Currents - Tame Impala

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>>72296362
>radio-friendly

>>72296362
Oh yeah they play "punk rap" all the time on my local stations

>>72296362
>radio-friendly
You've been listening to too much Death Grips

>>72303279
>>72296570
the whole album sounds like something that could have been at least on your entry level hipster radio station on regular, this shit is as inaccessible as ac/dc

>>72302589
>>72303295

>>72301646
>>72302589
>>72303279
samefag

>>72298242
>I see you don't understand what a sellout is
Enlighten me: explain what being a "sell-out" means in your own vocabulary. Because it's pretty obvious from this thread that whatever that is is radically different from what most anyone else would say.

>>72298264
The "pitchfork crowd" are members of the general public. ALL performing artists are "sell-outs" to the general public, by definition. Selling-out is when an artist starts sacrificing their own artistic freedom in order to best serve the interests of non-audience members - e.g. record label execs or outside producers.

>>72298276
Dramatic changes of AUTHORSHIP, as in who wrote/produced the thing.

Are you people unable to read full sentences or something?

>>72297333
Friendo....if this is you, give me a sign

>>72296212

>one of the most innovative albums ever made in its respective genre that got universally panned upon release but ended up being massively influential in spite of that
>sellout

nigga what

>>72298819
Radical changes in authorship of an artist's music without equally radical changes in identity of said artist = selling out.

Taylor Swift is a sell-out (and a good one imo) because she went from being Taylor Swift, solo singer and songwriter, to Taylor Swift Inc. without any sort of artist name/identity change to acknowledge the difference (notice how her album covers still bill her as a solo artist.)

You not happening to like the artistic direction a particular artist is taking their music says nothing about selling-out.

>>72296362
>Not realizing that in normie land TMS is strange and confusing
They proceeded to pull the NLDW stunt not too long after. Not sellouts.

>>72296212
Kanye sold out first, from CD to Graduation
He then got more experimental once his reputation was already set.
>the term sellout applies to a guy who has had every one of his albums at the top of the charts.

>>72297333
Autism speaks my friends!
Will you be the one to listen?

>>72304603
>experimental
Conceptual may also be a viable adjective,

>>72303633
Friendo isn't this dumb

>>72302654
Did you not listen to first half? Plus he said himself that the party songs are meant for having fun at his shows

>>72296212
>MPP is a sell-out
Look at this nigger

>all these triggered /mu/babies
Add Electriclarryland OP

>>72296387
Most of Kanyes work up to that point was radio friendly hip hop though. Why is 808s the point at which he sold out?

>>72297333
>its a "Julia the autistic muppet gets internet connection and shitpost on /mu/"

>>72299488
>DSOTM

come on man

It's not like Arca was terribly inaccessible or interesting before. Never understood why people are so compelled by his music. It's nothing more than slightly uneasy club shit with a few gimmicky motifs to help cement its place as insightful and postmodern. Just because body dysmorphia is topical doesn't make the music brilliant. People are so easily swayed.

>>72305356
there it is

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>>72297333

Kanye was always a sellout.

>>72303295

yeah, no.