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what do you think of midori's style of jazz fusion thanks

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>>72262826
just came back from seeing Tigran Hamasyan live (pic related), so I've been listening to his An Ancient Observer lately - it's pleasant, but could use more stylistic variation

no solid pick for JAOYTSF, but I've been liking:
Olli Hirvonen - New Helsinki
Tomasz Stanko - December Avenue
Craig Taborn - Daylight Ghosts
Phronesis - The Behemoth
OK:KO - Land E.
Miguel Zenon - Tipico
David Binney - The Time Verses
Michael Attias Quartet - Nerve Dance

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Love the strings and solos in this. Anyone know any more like this?

Also, I'm stoked for Kamasi's new album. "Truth" reminded me of Pharoah Sanders' 'Journey To The One'. I hope Kamasi screams more.

>>72263326
So jelly. Atmospheres was a damn strong contender for my aoty last year. Did he have anyone doing the live samples with him?
Strong choices for aotysf btw. Have you heard the new Chris Potter?

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>>72263418
More horny than stringy, but you should check out Chris' big band stuff on pic related too. He's a hella creative arranger.

>>72262826
I've been listening to Chris Potter's The Dreamer is the Dream recently. Thanks to the anon who shared it.

>>72263421
oh yeah, the new Potter is good as well!

it was a solo performance, he played a bit of synth to start with (in the picture) leaving a loop behind for a few minutes when he moved to piano, then later on during The Cave of Rebirth he played some percussion samples from his iphone, but that was all the electronics

>>72263662
>percussion samples from his iphone
Tres moderne.

I hope he puts something out this year. He's well one of the most interesting guys working atm.

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any favorites from this year? pic related for me so far.

>>72263895
An Ancient Observer just came out at the end of March on Nonesuch

>>72262826
Did someone say Third Stream?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl7ONKSm0mI

>>72263983
Link?

>>72264534
i'm a spotify pleb

>>72264617
fair enough

I want to like Kamasi's The Epic but it's mixed and mastered like a modern hip-hop record and I find that very distracting. It's also exceedingly long.

>>72264958
and it has 0 good solos...

>>72264980
My God tho, the head on Miss Understanding is fucking insane. I want Kamasi's drummer to get on a proper jazz album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-75-tUHIrQ&ab_channel=Brainfeedermedia

>>72265063
i mean i believe all the musicians are talented. it just doesn't feel like a jazz album to me in the same way that Thundercat doesn't

>>72265179
>i mean i believe all the musicians are talented
I don't. I think maybe 3 of them are talented. The rest are adequate-bad.
>it just doesn't feel like a jazz album to me in the same way that Thundercat doesn't
Most of the tracks do actually swing to some extent though. I didn't bother listening to the new Thundercat (he's by far one of the worst players on the album and the reason Miss Understanding actually works is the upright bassist) so I can't really comment, but I heard it was an R&B album.
I think it's way harsh to say there's no good solos. The sax and upright bass solos on Miss Understanding are pretty class.
Granted, often the soloists are just filling time (eg. the trumpet solo on Miss Understanding while we're talking about that track), the choir/string sections are normally corny and add little to the song,harmonically it's blase and there is a lot of superfluous time spent faffing about on repeats and sections that take too long to get where they're going.
It's deffinitely a jazz album though. That doesn't make it good or bad, but calling it an R&B album would be mischaracterizing the bulk of the marieral. It's Spiritual jazz/fusion.

>>72265384
you'd have to define 'bad' unless it's in the context of jazz as a whole, as in, they're probably more talented than your average musician. but if i'm being half-full and you're being half-empty on this point, i can understand that.

fair enough on miss understanding. i was def being half-empty there.

I wouldn't call it RnB either. It's like fusion but with barely any jazz and it's all rock-ish.

Do you guys post or lurk in any other music/jazz related forums/message boards/newsgroups out there?

>>72264958
>I want to criticize the album but i'll just paraphrase jtg's criticisms instead

>>72265704
I've never seen him post that before, but genuinely those are my qualms with the album. The compositions can be nice at times, but the whole package isn't that appealing.

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Jazz needs more string quartets.

>>72264958
>muh mastering
>muh compression
>muh loudness war

literally all just a meme you idiot

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>>72264163
good shit

Thoughts on Oliver Nelson?

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>>72266257
>loudness war
>a meme
Enjoy your ""remasters"" that are loud at every level.

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what do you guys think of this?

>>72267456
I enjoyed "We Insist!" a lot and his stuff with Brown, haven't heard any of his other albums.

>>72267456
pretty awesome. The choir adds a lot which i wouldn't have expected tee be aech.

>>72267377
Why is more sound per wave a bad thing, aren't they maximizing the potential?

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>>72262826
>What have you been listening to lately?
>What did you think?

"Smithville" is the second and final recording that trumpeter Louis Smith would record for the Blue Note label. Releaased in July of 1958 on the label's 1500 series the album features label regulars Charlie Rouse on tenor, Sonny Clark on piano, Paul Chambers on bass and Art Taylor on drums.

The set starts off with the title track, a slow blues that gives all the members a chance to solo. Smith and Rouse start off with fine, soulful statements, though they seldom explore beyond the familiar blues tropes one would expect. Clark's piano solo sticks even more to the realm of blues cliche, but luckily his solo is saved somewhat by Chambers' dynamic and consistently entertaining bass playing behind his solo. Chambers follows up with an excellent solo of his own before the band blows back through the head. The standard ballad "Embraceable You" serves to highlight Smith's ballad playing and his bright, full tone as he gives a fairly straight reading of the melody with a little embellishment. His solo is especially good, mixing elegant lyricism with flashes of perfectly-executed fast runs that he phrases creatively.

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>>72267986
Smith's original "Wetu," is one of the clear highlights of the set, with the horns blazing through a tricky bebop head and then tearing into the solos. Rouse pushes the rhythm section in his solo, blowing fire, but also managing to fit in quite a few memorable melodic ideas. Smith's solo is less melodic, but no less fiery with plenty of long, blisteringly fast runs that inspire Taylor to take a more active role in the accompaniment with some busy drumming. "Later" takes a similarly beboppy approach, and though the solos aren't quite as memorable, there are still some good moments and the comping of the rhythm section is particularly good (especially Clark's comping behind Smith's solo). The standard "There Will Never Be Another You" is taken at a medium-up tempo, but the jam session approach to the head and solos doesn't yield as interesting results as the two uptempo original tunes on the album.

It's a fine example of late 50's hard bop, with the clear focus being on the soloists. Smith once again proves he is a strong and well-rounded player, though occasionally he is upstaged by Rouse's excellent solos. At times the tunes develop that almost inevitable blowing session feel, but the rhythm section's above average playing throughout the album usually manages to keep the music engaging and moving forward. It's a fine album of above average hard bop.

>>72267377
On this note how are the Rudy Van Gelder remasters? They're pretty much the only version of most major classic jazz releases available on streaming services or in record stores.

>>72262826
I'm exploring late Chet Baker, esp his SteepleChase albums. Anyone know about this era of him and if people actually like it? RYM only has a few people rating and stuff like Daybreak isn't even on there

>>72268299
I like those trio albums a lot, with NHOP and Doug Raney/Philip Catherine

>>72268299
I haven't heard any of his SteppleChase stuff, but if his earlier post comeback stuff, like on She Was Too Good to Me or Jim Hall's Concierto, are any indication, I'd imagine i's great. He really reinvented himself as an artist in a really positive way during the 70s. He became more lyrical, mature, melodically inventive and was altogether a different person from before he got his teeth knocked out.
Based on the other stuff I've heard from him, I think that late stuff is probs only rivaled by the early quartet with Mulligan.

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favorite current jazz drummers?

>>72269586
Max Roach's ghost

>>72269586
Antonio Sanchez
Eric Harland
Tyshawn Sorey
Jeff Watts
Marcus Gilmore
Johnathan Blake
Ari Hoenig
Gerald Cleaver
Donald Edwards
Nasheet Waits

>>72269586
Airto Moreira

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Last jazz album I heard was The Incredible Jazz Guitar of Wes Montgomery, which I loved. Why aren't there more guitar-based jazz albums nowadays?

>>72270869
I don't think the proportion has changed that much. Some really good albums out recently with great guitar playing include:
Rudresh Mahanthappa - Gamak
Zooid - In for a Penny In for a Pound
Jonathan Kreisberg - Shadowless
Tomasz Stanko - Dark Eyes
Mary Halvorson - Saturn Sings
Dave Holland's Aziza
John Abercrombie - Up and Coming

I'm probs missing some obvious people/albums with this list too. Point is, there's plenty of great and prolific players out there.

>>72270869
there are probably more nowadays than there were in 1960 when that album came out

look into Peter Bernstein, Bobby Broom, Jonathan Kreisberg, Adam Rogers, John Abercrombie, and Kurt Rosenwinkel

>>72268426
>>72268649
Oh yeah I loved Chet's Choice

and yeah his SteepleChase stuff is really good. I honestly like it way better than the early 50s stuff because he's now free to me more complex and musical than doing a simple cool jazz vocal + trumpet number

I'll check out She Was Too Good and Jim Hall's Concierto!

>>72271416
Yeah, it's weird in a way. Most artists who come to my mind who played cool jazz when it first became popular generally aimed pretty high compositionally in the spirit of the early pioneers like Miles. I don't think Chet Sings is a bad album by any stretch of the imagination, but it was selling out on the scale of On the Corner when compared with how ahead of it's time his pianoless quartet with Mulligan was.

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Holy shit, I did not know Smith could write music this good.
I expected this to be a generic fusion album with strings.

Anybody listen to Roxy Coss?

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>>72262826
>favorite 3rd stream
pic related
>lately listening
in the past 24 hours, Relaxin' and Kinda Blue by Miles. my theory class was told to listen to both and take comparative notes. overall recently
Coltrane Quartet Plays
Some Bird tunes
Zooid In for a Penny In for a Pound
everything Matt Shipp came out with this year which is like 10 records i think
Altitude- Joe Morris, William Parker, Gerald Cleaver
a bunch of Sam Rivers and Joe Henderson
>JAOTYSF
too early to tell but probably one of the recent Matt Shipp projects if i had to say something off the top of my head
>New Kamasi Track
GOD THIS GUY NEEDS A HARMONY CLASS AND AN EDITOR TO MAKE HIS SHIT SHORTER. srsly two chords with no developement for like 15 minutes...god damnit.
>>72266257
fuck you. keep this bullshit out of the jazz threads.
>>72267456
Killin. Loove londsome lover especially. abbey lincoln!
>>72268137
they dont bother me much so i guess i like them haha. theyre fine but i also have very little blue note records on vinyl to compare them to. >>72268299
Ive heard some of the steeplechase stuff but NHOP hurts my soul. chet sounds cool though.
>>72269252
oh man, i really dont like this record.
>>72269586
Gerald Cleaver is a big favorite and Tyshawn Sorey is killin. Kenny Washington is not necessarily the most adventurous or captavating but i saw him a few months ago and was kind of blown away by him live but on record its still nothing too special for me.
>>72270800
yeeeee
>>72270869
>>72271268
kind of seconding this guy but the only recent guitar record i can say i listen to and really enjoy is Zooid's In for a Penny In for a Pound. i know ive been shilling it but i love this album.

>>72272140
Hathut puts out some great records

>>72272169
whats hathut?

>>72272218
label that put out Emphasis and Flight

>>72272255
ooohhh yeah i like a bunch of stuff on that label but always forget the name. good cecil releases.

>>72272140
>>72272218
>>72272461
forgot to put my trip back on but Nuff Nuff

>>72272461
you can always tell them apart because their releases have the same font and style

>>72270267
word

>Favorite Jazz Album
>Favorite Non-Jazz Album
Go.

>>72273738
make another thread for this one
good idea, but it'll get snuffed quick here

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Just listened to the new Kamasi track.

Sounds pretty good, don't know why anybody has their panties in a bunch other than salt over the epic.

>>72267986
>>72268020
how to get better at writing about instrumental music? i know what i like and don't like but i can't explain why even a little bit

For anyone living in or going to New York City, there's a great place called the "Jazz Record Center" in Chelsea that I highly recommend you visit.

It's down at 238 West 26th Street in the old Capitol Building, which was and still is one of those pre-war (built in 1926) Georgian-style brick luxury apartment buildings.

You walk into what looks like an regular apartment building, get buzzed in, and take the elevator up to the 8th floor where there is just a record store next to residential living areas.

The original Jazz Record Center was a store was that was open in the 1940s and 1950s but shuttered soon after.

Fred Cohen, the guy who runs the current revived Jazz Record Center got his start running mail order auctions out of his apartment as an alternative to a lot of the local stores and chains that existed at the time. He opened the Jazz Record Store in '83 down on West 72nd Street in the Upper West Side before moving to West 29th in Chelsea in '87 and then finally settling in the current location in '92.

The Jazz Record Center managed to thrive when a lot of the contemporary jazz-minded record stores elsewhere in the city whose peak of operation was in the 1970s, began to die out in the 1980s and early 1990s. Part of that had to due with the store being a relatively early adapter of the CD format.

He even managed to outlast the very last of the specialty jazz shops (Village Jazz Shop closed in 2001) and the megashop music chain mainstays like HMV, Tower, Virgin, J&R. I'm not sure how much the vinyl boom of recent years has helped, but business seems to be alright. However, given the relative lack of space in the shop compared to something like Tower, customers have to be referred to the internet for certain records.

>>72275329
Anyway, they have a killer selection spanning the early blues/ragtime era to current releases. Mostly in the format of CDs and both LPs (not too much in the way of cassette tapes, 8-tracks, or 45s however). They stock reissues/newer boxsets and original pressings of well known releases, but also a ton of rare and out of print releases as well.

The store also has an impressive amount of books. Everything from biographies/autobiographies to history books to record collecting guides to photography collection to sheet music. There’s also back and current issues of various jazz periodicals.

Also, if you’re into physical videos, they have an additional section for a wide range of jazz performances and documentaries and such on mainly DVD and VHS (and some LaserDisc) too for very cheap.

And finally the store has a bunch of vintage memorabilia/historical items and posters and t-shirts and such.

They also still do auctions via mailing list and have an online store too.

I only had budget for music when I went by a few weeks ago, though there was some stuff that looked quite tempting. Here’s what I got:
>Sonny Rollins - The Complete Prestige Recordings boxset
>Sam Rivers - Dimensions and Extensions
>Clifford Brown - Memorial
>Wynton Marsalis Quintet - Live at the Village Vanguard (not a huge fan of Wynton and his revisionism, but I like his first records and he’s solid live -- plus it was $5 for a 7 CD set)
>Gerry Mulligan & Ben Webster - Gerry Mulligan Meets Ben Webster
>Ellery Eskelin, Andrea Parkins, & Jim Black - Arcanum Moderne
>Clifford Brown & Max Roach - Brown and Roach Incorporated

It’s the only jazz-specialty shop I’ve been to in the past few years, but I was really impressed. I highly recommend it.


I'm curious as to whether or not anyone else has been there or of any record store experiences you've had of late.

>>72275329
Noted

They sell used records?

>>72275376
Yes. Many.

Anybody up for making a MEGA link with "essentials" just like /classical/?

>>72275425
I'd suport that.

Though we should break them down into different eras/sub genres a bit more clearly and try to avoid it being a giant list of thousands of hours of listening like /classical/'s megas

>>72275617
i think 5 albums per era/subgenre would be good

>>72275425
>>72275617
>/classical/ essentials mega consists of over 650 releases
What did they mean by this?

>>72275351

yeah, I went there on my visit to New York - walked past that place many times looking for it since there seriously is no sign form the street that there would be a record store hidden away in that building

alongside Downtown Music Gallery the best store for jazz records in NY - Jazz Record Center leans more towards classics and straight-ahead, Downtown Music Gallery in the avant-garde and experimental

I was a little disappointed in New York record stores in general, though - on that US trips I bought a lot more jazz records from Portland, OR than New York.

>>72276445
Yeah, most record stores in NYC seem to be of the general mainstream pop-and-rock variety.

Portland definitely has some very cool stores though for the smaller size of the city. Everyday Music, Music Millenium, Jackpot, Exiled, and Anthem are all great.

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listening to pic related right now, some tracks are good but a bit boring overall

>>72276908

in Portland, Vinyl Resting Place on the northeast side has a very good jazz selection - kind of far away form the other record stores, but worth the visit for a jazz fan, Crossroads on Hawthorne a couple of blocks form Jackpot also had a lot of great jazz. Also for jazz fans Mississippi Records is worth a visit because they have a large selection of Japanese audiophile-loved reissues that you don't see in Western record stores often.

Definitely a nice city for jazz record hunting.

>>72277810
>Japanese audiophile-loved reissues
Oh sweet. Any in particular that you recall?

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anyone heard this ? pretty good imo

>>72278028
p good famalam

>>72276073
I get the impression the mega links in /classical/ are more like a dump for a bunch of shares they've had over the years rather than a concerted effort to make the essentials available.
This is a good idea tho! It'd be nice to have something useful that /jazz/ is happy with. Might type up what I think should go on there and other people can do the same and we can discuss what works better as an essential.

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This is good running music, it causes both the pain to disappear and lets the mind go blank.

Been listening to Pharoah Sanders lately. All the other contemporary musicians: Coltrane, Davis, Monk simply don't compare. There's something special about him, not a note out of place. Nothing grates on my ears no matter how avant-garde he gets. It's amazing.

has anyone listen to pic related?
i think it was great, better than magnetoception

>>72264024
thanks, i've had no idea

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>>72279637
forgot pic

>>72279647
It was relatively enjoyable.

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listening to the new tigran, i like i a lot.

>>72280202
Just downloaded this recently too. Gonna listen later today.

>>72278755
Sounds good

>>72272140
>Zooid's In for a Penny In for a Pound.


Have you heard Liberty Ellman's last album? I bet you would like it.

What do you guys think of Jacob Collier and Snarky Puppy?

>>72267456
Shit goes so hard

>>72280945
corny. This generation's Kenny G.

>>72275074
Best thing to do is to read what other people have written about music that you like or dislike. Decide where you agree and disagree with them. Where you agree, note carefully what they say and how they say it. Where you disagree try to verbalized why.

>>72263983
This is some tight shit

>>72267377
you dont hear peaks anyway

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uugimR8honE&ab_channel=60otaku4
I've been obsessing over Scott Lafaro of late. Which isn't so much a new thing for me, I periodically like to get sad and listen to lofi live recordings featuring him. Might cry to the rehearsal of My Foolish Heart on Pieces of Jade later on or something.

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Listening to this, after I saw them live a bit ago. I enjoyed them much more live but this is still worth a listen

>>72275351
>>72275329
You will see my ass there for suuure next time im in ny!

>>72276908
>>72276445
Philly has some good record stores but my favorite is princeton record exchange in new jersey!

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Anything else like this?

>>72280906
No i havent! Whats the title of thr record? Ive been in a bit of a listening slump lately, need some stuff to hear.

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>>72284291
give Takuya Kuroda a try

>>72284339
Not him but it's called "Radiate". Can't find any samples on Youtube for some reason.

>>72284291
Is this Stretch Music pt. 2?

>>72284636
Thanks!

>>72263326
Thanks for sharing, I really appreciate it.

Emile Parisien Quintet - Sfumato
David Binney - The Time Verses

>>72285296
Oops, Time Verses is redundant
Oh well

Speak Low - Lucia Cadotsch

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>>72285321
>Speak Low - Lucia Cadotsch

This was one of my very favorite releases last year - also fantastic live.

There's a remix album called "Speak Low Renditions" coming out next week. It sounds pretty worthless based on the three single tracks that have been released.

>>72284837

Just a pic of Christian Scott, idk what the status of their next project is

>>72285622
I know, it sounds ridiculous, and I don't see the justification for it. It doesn't make sense.

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>>72285649
Ruler Rebel has been out for about three weeks already, my dude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TUHc4WkEGg

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>>72284522
>>72285729

Thanks, thanks

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What are your guys favourite modern labels?

I've been looking through the Pi and Act back catalogs the past few days cause I've been digging their records recently and I feel like I've been whoring myself out a little too much to ECM...the new Chris Potter is srsly fucking gorgeous though.

>>72285904
Criss Cross is still my favorite, even though some of their recent releases have been pretty disappointing. They're also only putting out about half the number of yearly releases they were 5 or so years ago which is too bad.

Clean Feed puts out a lot of stuff and some of it is pretty good.

>>72285729
DL link?

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Is there any place to get and listen to ECM stuff? I mean I know some can be found on YouTube, but I didnt know if it's somewhere I just haven't looked. Also I've been spinning this recently

>>72284223
For anybody in the Chicago area, Dusty Groove has such a deep selection for Jazz! I'd highly recommend it to anyone looking for some neat vinyl finds

>>72286560
I use slsk to sample ECM albums and then try to buy the ones I really like. The interesting thing about ECM is that sometimes artists I really like put out really meh albums, and sometimes artists I've always been ambivalent about or just not really aware of put out great albums on ECM. It's always nice to sample them first.

>>72286388
Has there been anything from them this year you've been crazy about?
I think I'll get some of their earlier stuff next time I'm looking for new stuff. I've got a bunch of the CC charts I've been meaning to look at for a while now but I've only sampled one or two albums off them thus far.

>>72280945
Jacob has some neat arrangements that I'd show normies because they'd like it, but I mean, it's okay. Snarky puppy is a whole other thing for me, like they're individually good and I enjoy them on a technical level, but their music is so bland and I get almost nothing from it. Also their stans are kinda annoying

>>72286715
>Has there been anything from them this year you've been crazy about?
Clean Feed you mean? The Angelica Sanchez trio one was pretty good. The recent Michael Attias release looks good but I haven't heard it yet.

I listened to Daniel Levin at the Firehouse but need to listen to it again because I wasn't in the right mood for it when I listened to it earlier in the year.

>>72286837
>Snarky puppy is a whole other thing for me, like they're individually good and I enjoy them on a technical level, but their music is so bland and I get almost nothing from it. Also their stans are kinda annoying

This, it's way too polished and sterile to be effective or have any impact. They're also playing it on the safe side

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>>72286893
>The Angelica Sanchez trio
Oh kewl, Michael Formanek is on it! Pic related was my AOTY last year,

>>72286560
that's an amazing album btw

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTOLwVB8d6U&ab_channel=RoundMidnightTV

>>72286837
>Snarky puppy is a whole other thing for me, like they're individually good and I enjoy them on a technical level, but their music is so bland and I get almost nothing from it. Also their stans are kinda annoying

Exactly this. My big issue with them is that they're mainly trying to be groove band but whenever they do hit a nice groove they just don't really do anything with it. Like it just kind of happens, cycles through a couple times, and then it's over, no development or anything.

I'm also pretty butthurt over the fact that they have multiple guitarists but none of them even do anything that interesting in context of the music. This video is a perfect example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk0WRHV_vt8
Like everything in this video could have literally been handled with one guitarist and a looper pedal.

>>72286583
I've found some great stuff there. Some were really good deals too.