Punk education thread

those face tattoos lmao

>>72247745
Is Green Day punk?
Why so?

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Is OpIvy the only good ska punk?

Just HOW crazy was HR? On a scale of 1 to crazy

>>72247745
What's your favourite The Ex album and why?

>>72247745
is liking dead kennedys a meme?

redpill me on crust punk with cello stuff. what the fuck is dbeat and what's crust and what's the difference?

>>72247745
>when your cat has better hygiene than you

>>72247764

Yes actually. Few know this

>>72247769

Nausea did a ska section that is the best ever. It's at the end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiamDNmyljs

The only other good ska punk is certain tracks by Leftover Crack and Choking Victim

>>72247788

He's certified babe

>>72247801

The one EP collection with Weapons for El Salvador because it's their only good song

>>72247831

Yes, they're not as good as people think, Jello is just a master entertainer. Surf guitar work is neat but lumping them in with 80s hardcore is especially lol worthy, they were far from hardcore. Art school entryism

>>72247745
what are the top 5 punk records of all time
is industrial punk
is the austin scene today any good
what is the crustiest punk record
are crusties self aware
did metal or punk come first
is image important to punk
is punk dead

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>>72247943
>what are the top 5 punk records of all time

personal favorites for personal reasons but the genre is too diverse and these mean nothing

Discharge - Hear nothing, see nothing, say nothing
Amebix - Monolith
Leatherface - Mush
The Heartbreakers - L.A.M.F.
Operation Ivy - Energy

>is industrial punk

There is crossover, but Industrial is more like electronic with a metal/punk attitude. Was Throbbing Gristle punk? I don't think so. Ian MacKaye of Minor Threat did something with the ministry guy once

>is the austin scene today any good
I think Metal when I think Austin but I don't know. I guess I don't know everything

>what is the crustiest punk record

Crust descends into white noise cassette tapes. It's hard to say. Cartoon Crust like choking victimis ridiculous. Japanese shit like Framtid is very very serious and nearly unlistenable. Amebix is a happy median

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAe9HD4Jgw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NML_VhmliMU

>are crusties self aware

The real crusties who ride trains and shoot heroin are borderline retarded and seem aware they are worthless and on their way to early death. The middle class surbuban larpers are not self aware. Basically NPR listeners on steroids. Anarchy is a joke imho

>did metal or punk come first

I'm thinking The Stooges vs Sabbath so Punk did. But I'm talking out of my ass

Velvet Underground vs Hawkwind?

>is image important to punk

Image is basically the whole appeal

>is punk dead

Crass declared it dead in 1978 and I'm inclined to agree

" just another fashion like hippie used to be"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGjk1Y_j8QE

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What are the most definitive lines you can draw between Hardcore, Post-hardcore, and pop punk?

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>>72248235
>What are the most definitive lines you can draw between Hardcore, Post-hardcore, and pop punk?

The hardest question ever

Hardcore vs Punk
The first question here is the difference between hardcore punk and capital H Hardcore

Hardcore punk is punk rock minus the frills, physically and sonically, with intensity increased in place of it. Less guitar wanking, faster, louder, meaner. More shaved heads, less fashion, less musicianship. Minor threat vs GBH is a good distinction.

But UK82 subgenre throws that american analysis in the toilet, because Discharge and Exploited got really loud around the same time, but were totally different from minor threat.

So the answer is... uhh

Capital H Hardcore is distinct from punk rock. I grew up in a Hardcore scene. Lots of beatdown bands. Hardcore lyrics are rarely as political as hardcore punk, and much more about strength, betrayal, and all that secretly emo shit. All their dads are alcoholics

Post-hardcore

Quicksand is my definition of post hardcore. Some people equate emocore with it but I don't. I see the skramz thing as something else entirely. And now it seems like people think Saosin is post-hardcore, which I don't agree with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGPzJs1WK88

The difference between Quicksand and other 90s metal/hardcore crossover groups is they sing roughly in tune with metallica vox


And here's a hardcore pop-punk posthardcore band that isn't punk at all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXS8fQubQJE


Pop punk is easy.

Crimpshrine was the bleeding edge between punk rock and pop punk. Green Day started in the same scene, and jumped the fence.

Crimpshrine, 1988. Still punk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NwthqjuoaQ

Green Day 1990, officially Pop punk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X63Dg_Bz0VU

Whats the closest thing to early punk these days? I mean, without it necessary being punk, what bands do you think have the same vibe or energy that the first punk acts had

>>72247745
If a guy with not to much knowledge about music but certainly dedicates big time to music, what album, song whatever would you reccomend?

>>72247745
The Minor thread part of the BYO SSD F.O.D. show was bootlegged by Lost and Found
Do you know if there are recordings of SSD and FOD from the same show?

>>72247745
Is this band the first punk band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDeSj2lebgY

Is post-punk punk
Who invented punk
Who invented post-punk

>>72247769
Chinkees

>>72249060
>Whats the closest thing to early punk these days? I mean, without it necessary being punk, what bands do you think have the same vibe or energy that the first punk acts had

I don't really follow new music enough to answer, sorry. But read Please Kill Me if you want to know what the American punk thing leading up to the 80s was like. That'll give you an idea (more art and drugs, less politics)

>>72249062
>If a guy with not to much knowledge about music but certainly dedicates big time to music, what album, song whatever would you reccomend?


Chronologically to the development of modern punk

1. Velvet Underground (YES IM SERIOUS) - The Velvet Underground & Nico [1967]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tsamNxGC9U

2. The Heartbreakers - L.A.M.F (1977)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDoAIWNxKb8

3. Wire - Pink Flag (1977)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPIDtWqS8qc

4. Crass - The Feeding of the 5000 (1978)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfatnDjx4mI

5. Discharge - Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing (1982)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DmSbqmJaig

6. (US hardcore punk happens in the mid-'80s. Black Flag, Minor Threat, etc. Into it, over it)

7. Operation Ivy - Energy (1989)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN5D84bxTLE

8. Dystopia - Human = Garbage EP (1994)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rvxORYy7Eo

9. Propagandhi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwsAruHCHHw

10. Johnny Hobo - Love Songs for the Apocalypse (2005)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33pis-u819w

>>72249089

never heard that. they beat Los Saicos by 4 years. all memes
https://www.youtube.com/watc

>>72249063
>The Minor thread part of the BYO SSD F.O.D. show was bootlegged by Lost and Found
>Do you know if there are recordings of SSD and FOD from the same show?

Hunting for obscure live performances of SSD?
You have gone too far, turn back!

>>72249091
>Is post-punk punk

It's art students sucking the punk out of punk

>Who invented punk

Richard Hell invented the aesthetic. He was fucking rich models and doing heroin while his clothing rotted off of his body. Malcolm McLaren got a boner from looking at him and took the obsession back to the UK where he made 4 twink street urchins come into his bondage shop and form a boy band

>Who invented post-punk

That dead whiny guy from New Order

>>72249089
There's nothing punk about this

>>72247745
How old are you?

>>72249336
I'm not really interested in the SSD part. more Flag of Democracy since it was their first show and they were like 14 and trying to outspeed Gang Green (which they did if you listen to the Chinese Food demo from 82)
I wonder if Ian MacKaye has those recordings in his punk vault
I've been looking for them for years

>>72247745

I don't know why people ruin themselves with corny ebin band tattoos, they're going to age like shit and regret it when they inevitably grow up.

>>72249533
>crust punks
>ever growing up
jej

>>72247745
In your opinion, when exactly did proto-punk end and punk begin?

Would you agree that what's considered proto-punk and what's considered post-punk stylistically similar in alot of ways? If so, why do you think so?

I believe that no-wave gives all of the other sub-genres of punk a run for it's money. What do you think of that scene?

>>72249409
>It's art students sucking the punk out of punk

What is your definition of punk.

>That dead whiny guy from New Order

Wrong. Pere Ubu did.

>>72249461

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>>72249531
>I'm not really interested in the SSD part. more Flag of Democracy since it was their first show and they were like 14 and trying to outspeed Gang Green (which they did if you listen to the Chinese Food demo from 82)
>I wonder if Ian MacKaye has those recordings in his punk vault
>I've been looking for them for years

You have gone deeper than I have, but I hope you can find it. You might want to try tracking them down online and asking them if it was recorded.

>>72249533
>>72249557

yeah a lot of them plan on dying in a gutter and/or never never having a real job. He might just end up truly homeless one day. They don't care.

I knew a bartender who was 40 and used to be a crusty train hopper. He completely rejected punk rock. Survived with only hand tattoos to show for it and all those wasted years

>>72247896
Can you digress on why Green Day is Punk? Just wanna hear your thoughts

>>72247745
Any thoughts on skinhead Oi!?

It's my personal favorite subgenre along with Anarcho/Crust Punk even though both occupy entirely different ends of the political spectrum.

The Crack, Cock Sparrer and Cockney Rejects are my personal favorites.

>>72247896
>he doesn't think OpIvy is good
It's a b8 thread guys

>>72249587

>In your opinion, when exactly did proto-punk end and punk begin?

All my opinions come from Please Kill Me on that topic. I'd say Stooges were legit punk rock based on Iggy's stage behavior and the apolitical nature of most of the NYC punk rock from Johnny Thunders and co. But people disagree and I get that. UK punkers made it political which is good and bad. So by that definition it was McLaren again, when he made the NY Dolls pretend they were communists to piss people off... then rolled home to make Sex Pistols and set it off

> What is your definition of punk

That was me (OP) who wrote that. I'm just trying to antagonize nerds

>Wrong. Pere Ubu did.

Found one!

>>72249409
>It's art students sucking the punk out of punk
Even The Cure or Siouxsie and the Banshees?

>>72247745
Why is Riot Grrrl such hot garbage? One of the worst movements to emerge from Hardcore.

>>72249675
>It's a b8 thread guys

OP here, Operation Ivy is the REASON I got into punk. He said "Is OpIvy the only good ska punk?"

LoC and that one Nausea song are the only other people who did punk and ska well together

>>72249672
>Any thoughts on skinhead Oi!?

I like Oi a lot too, but don't know enough of it. I like The Business (if you count them) and The Anti-Heros the most. ROCK AGAINST COMMUNISM BROTHER!!!

there's no such thing as british punk. new wave or pop punk(pop punk isn't punk, it's bad alt rock/boring pop music)

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>>72249720
>Why is Riot Grrrl such hot garbage? One of the worst movements to emerge from Hardcore.

Because punk rock always included girls and was "feminist", while Riot Grrrl is academic entryism poser shit from hipster college 90s girls. Fuck Bikini Kill. Watch the documentary about her lyme disease she's an egomaniac and not punk at all

http://lyrics.wikia.com/wiki/Anal_Cunt:I_Sent_A_Thank_You_Card_To_The_Guy_Who_Raped_You

>>72249697
the Cure demos sound like a Buzzcocks cover band
They developed their own style when Robert Smith realized people dig his whining

>>72249725
Yeah, The Business is quintessential Oi! along with Cock Sparrer.

By the way, have you heard of Vegan Reich? They were the first Hardline band which went even further than straight edge. They were militantly vegan and opposed to caffeine, porn, homosexuality and casual sex (including masturbation).

Politics notwithstanding, Vegan Reich was a good band:
https://youtu.be/Vk7xROwAhaE

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>>72249727
>there's no such thing as british punk. new wave or pop punk(pop punk isn't punk, it's bad alt rock/boring pop music)

Oi, say that to me face bruv I'll mash your gob in I right well will, swear on me mum's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bZzM4s0Hgs

>>72249805
>By the way, have you heard of Vegan Reich? They were the first Hardline band which went even further than straight edge. They were militantly vegan and opposed to caffeine, porn, homosexuality and casual sex (including masturbation).

YES vegan reich is something I bring up a lot for some reason lol. I never enjoyed them that much because Earth Crisis was always there to listen to instead and I loved them

Did you read Evasion from crimethinc? Extremist vegan hardcore sxe is a big factor in that book

>>72249767
I always hated her intensely. You know you're dealing with someone truly despicable when you find yourself rooting for Courtney Love of all people.

About the only bands I liked from that movement are Babes in Toyland and 7 Year Bitch.

>>72249805
>By the way, have you heard of Vegan Reich? They were the first Hardline band which went even further than straight edge. They were militantly vegan and opposed to caffeine, porn, homosexuality and casual sex (including masturbation).

PS. do you like Good Clean Fun? lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_jP4CU8O7Q

Who is your favorite modern hardcore band?

Along with Riot Grrrl, there was another movement called Queercore. How does this shape up in terms of punk music? Was it even necessary?

>>72249857

Yeah there are so many great punk bands fronted by women. The entire genre is non-punk suburban girls who don't even do heroin pretending they're down

>>72247745
Female in this pick is
10% sexy and I want to fuck
10% repulsive and turning me off
10% sexy because she turns me off
70% ugly beyond I want to fuck because ugly.

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>>72249903
>Who is your favorite modern hardcore band?

My era of modern hardcore was during the metalcore era so Converge, Coalesce, Burnt By The Sun (EPs only)

For tough-guy stuff Throwdown (Keith on vocals), Terror, The Hoods, The Killer, C.D.C. etc. All that stupid mush music

>>72249919
>Along with Riot Grrrl, there was another movement called Queercore. How does this shape up in terms of punk music? Was it even necessary?

I never listened because the bands all have gimmick names like Gayrilla Biscuits and Black Fag. And, again, there were already lots of gay dudes in punk rock

punk threads on mu continue to be bad

>>72247943
the austin scene is tight as hell rn. big guys like institute, glue, etc, new bands like nosferatu and skeleton

this thread is autistic as fuck

>>72250167

you are a scenester. tight as hell punk rock ya'll. have you ever even been in a fight?

>>72250187
>this thread is autistic as fuck

Most people involved in punk rock beyond their teenage years have mental health issues. It's just how it is

Is there a comprehensive punk MEGA file?

>>72250167
glue is complete shit. college trust fund fuck playing dressup

What do you think of the Reatards?

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What's your opinion about the greatest punk band ever? And yes that includes ALL of course.

>>72250386
ah yes i too prefer indie rock and rap!

>>72250167
I agree about Austin. I come in these threads and shill the 2012 Glue demo whenever I'm drinking. Fucking fun riffs. Checking out the other bands you mentioned now. Looks like the Nosferatu has played with some Greensboro bands I have a friend in, like Bad Eric and Wriggle. Skeleton is pretty tight. I'm really digging the Strutter 7" these days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr45ElFJs2o

>>72250403
Do you prefer bands that lead more authentic skinhead lifestyles or what? There's nothing more autistic at hardcore shows than the dude that shows up in his suspenders and stompin boots and takes it all seriously. There's nothing wrong with thinking a certain style of music is fun and playing it without buying into the lifestyle or fashion that's commonly associated with it.

1. What hardcore scene did you grow up in, if you don't mind me asking?

2. Any reason why Denver has a shit ton of homeless crusty kids around, or is it just because of the legal weed?

3. What age did people typically start getting sick of punk/hardcore, from your experiences?

>>72250598
I prefer bands that look like at least one of them could hold their own in a fight. I don't like hardcore.

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what are the best punk albums about being a fucking idiot

>>72247745
is the best punk band of all time green day or blink 182?

What pisses you off the most about the punk/hardcore scene today?

>>72250631
Not sure how seriously I can take the musical opinions of somebody who bases their preferences (even if only partially) on the physical appearance of the artists.

Also
>2017
>not liking hardcore

Are left leaning skinheads still around?

>>72250704
I just don't like hardcore. What's wrong with that?

>>72250788
I was just meme'n on you with that last part. Nothing wrong with it

>>72250821
What do you think of southern punk over the past 20 years?

>>72250464

OP again

>What do you think of the Reatards?

110%

>>72250536

I really didn't like anything besides the stuff found on "Two things at once" - I wanted to, but I didn't. Except for My World. I have everything sucks but don't like it

>>72250628
1. PAHC bro

2. Is the weather good enough to sleep outdoors? That's probably why, along with generous liberals handing out money

3. 21, hopefully

>>72250677

That I spent 10 years on it

>>72250704

He's write about these lameo "punk" bands hoping to land that sweet pitchfork review and a contract with Merge

>>72250717

I honestly haven't seen a skinhead at a show since 1999. The nazis used to come fight the hardcore kids, lol. Never once met S.H.A.R.P.

ofc I haven't been to a show in 5 years

>>72250860
You heard the Persuaders?

>>72250918

No but I'll check them out. I really like the Exploding Hearts and this king louie guy sounds cool

You at all into Food Fortunata or any of his zany projects (Sockeye, Fossil Fuel, Breathilizör)?

>>72250844
Not sure. I don't feel like there's been many scenes where it's easy to recognize where the bands are from just by how they sound, at least not for the past 15 years or so. The ease of sharing music through the internet has made it so that, within your favorite style of hardcore or whatever, your favorite bands can be from different corners of the country and all sound alike because they all listen to the same stuff.

>>72251177
Here's one of my favorites from them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us0rZVoT0wc

>>72251284
Not OP but Sockeye rules

>>72251284
>You at all into Food Fortunata or any of his zany projects (Sockeye, Fossil Fuel, Breathilizör)?

wtwf is this lol. Breathilizör on youtube right now this is really funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lODyzmKILO8

>>72251375

I think I came across this once digging into Reatard's back catalog. Now I'm on screaming apple records page feeling baffled. Good stuff

Here's some shit for no reason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpjHwk4DF8A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NccFqbKPQ6Q

Has anyone ever gone through the Billy Childish discography and picked the 50 or so good songs out ?

>>72251987
Do you know Gary Wrong? He makes great shit.

>>72252048
>Do you know Gary Wrong? He makes great shit.

No, link it up babe

hell of a time finding this sockeye shit since they have no www

>>72252121
Here ya go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKgPW5FI0LE

and here's Gary live in an alley https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8bIFLIlBkY

>>72251177

king louie co-wrote some of their songs, hence;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9dY3y1qGbA

=

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCh9VdSxlmE

>>72252333
That Loose Diamonds record is so damn good. Had no idea this band played their songs. Don't really like their cover but still cool people are playing his stuff

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all crustie roasties deserve death

>>72251942
Sockeye is king:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdvoVUDwPZM

Fossil Fuel is fun, but silly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu8kkxWvwxk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqvJd6CYSIo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcRlE81xkaI

please don't die thread

have you ever seen that interview with Nancy, Sid, and Stiv Bators??? i love that video

Does Wire have any good albums besides pink flag, chairs missing, and 154?

>>72253597
funny thing is they actually have no good albums

>>72247745

Lmao punk is fucking dead loser.

>>72253816
youre gonna be dead too if you dont shut your mouth...

>>72249091
DID THE MAN WHO INVENTED PUNK GO TO PUNK?

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>>72247745
Overall would you consider Screeching Weasel punk or pop punk

>>72253695
xD

>>72253949
not him but they're objectively pop punk

AM I THE ONLY PERSON WHO LOVES LEFTOVER CRACK???!!

>>72254019
no theres plenty of edgy sjw fags who like them

>>72254019
I know... I am centrist right but I just love the nihilism the band portrays.

>>72254019
I've seen them a lot on this board

>>72247745
do you know the band glue

>>72254107
we already deemed them as shit earlier in the thread

>>72250661
heh, that guy used to live next door to me for a while

Does FEAR hate women, homosex(SHU)als, fat suburbians or livin in the city the most?

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>>72247769
give me recs of punk like this with heavy meal solos like Pic relate

>>72254164
but anon they love livin in the city

>>72249767
>Because punk rock always included girls and was "feminist", while Riot Grrrl is academic entryism poser shit from hipster college 90s girls
I mean, what do you think Carrie Brownstein was but an upper middle class college girl who was indoctrinated by feminist professors.

>>72254193
Yeah... if you like saxophones

>>72254211
>getting pushed in front of the subway
>modern jazz
>FREEZE TO DEATH
>homoSEK-SHU-ALLLLLLLLLL

>>72254197
Uggghhh, I gave Sleater-Kinney a try, I really did. Halfway through Call The Doctor, I was wincing in pain. What did Christgau and all the other critics see in them?

http://truedollarjournal.blogspot.com.au/2015/05/iggy-pop-never-was-godfather-of-punk.html
Is what this guy says a load of shit?

>>72254346
And Iggy himself has never claimed to be punk, in fact he says he doesn't even like punk.

>>72254346
The Stooges just called them self a rock band back in the 70s. They had nothing to do with attaching the punk label onto them

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>>72247769
streetlight manifesto, yo

>>72249685
>Found one!

????

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>>72250631
cody would fucking kill you kid

Stooges aren't punk, they were one of those hippie/post hippie late 60s-early 70s bands who died out when the actual punk movement came.

what's the point of also bringing up the shit nicole recorded me saying after a night of drinking saying those things? I'm guessing you're going to twist what I said as continual punishment? Not exactly a fair trial but practicing inequality is your forte. Not going to have a kid, eat a dick, or put on a dress.

nice earrings though.

>>72254436
>in fact he says he doesn't even like punk.
then why does he hype burger records?

>>72254531
That's not true but okay

>>72254526
Sick Judge tattoo. This dude's a faggot and his band sucks.

>>72254526
>>72254640
who is that guy?

>>72254674
Not the frontman for glue

>>72249409
>Malcolm McLaren got a boner from looking at him and took the obsession back to the UK where he made 4 twink street urchins come into his bondage shop and form a boy band

Betcha Rob Halford also shopped there. :^)

>>72254730
kek

>>72254640
>>72254674
glue's guitarist, he would ruin this twig anon

>>72254730
Maybe but Judas Priest didn't go leather until 1978, after the original SEX shop had been sold and changed its name.

And in fact Halford is something of a poseur since he admitted that he's never actually done BDSM.

Any thoughts on Dillinger four.

What's the most regrettable 90s era hardcore band you once liked

Why is dating in the scene always terrible

>>72254898
Good Clean Fun

>>72247745
Calling bullshit right now can disprove you right here which OI band did Kurt Cobain rip Polly off of I DARE YOU M8

why are people suddenly wearing "keep musicianship out of punk" merch?
Will they boycott my mathy hardcore band?

>>72255204
so more people can whine about orange hitler!

>>72247745
Can you post songs similar to Youth Brigade's Violence.

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>>72247745
why is being homeless and stinky by choice considered punk