KPOP GENERAL

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cutest girl in the galaxy~

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>>72164922
Jawyeon

>>72164919
she's fuckin disgusting my dude

>>72164922
What's the name of this plastic beauty?

How come twice bros pick on groups like pristin and lovelyz and wjsn? Did I miss something

Arin is growing into a lovely young woman

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praise godjeong

>>72164954
You just picked the three worst groups currently
Everyone hates them

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16 year old vivi tho

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>>72164924
forgot your babyuggo

>>72164954
false flagging

>>72164922
a goddess

>>72164954
>pristin
not only twice bros

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my sources in korean gov said that DIA is finally making it this comeback

>>72164973
literally chinese escort tier

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>>72164974
Yezinigger is funny sometimes, but he is mostly sad and delusional
As if posting uggosoul isnt bad enough

Weewoo is just very unnoteworthy listening without the MV

>>72164973
ok but post the one with her arms up

_____ is the rich man's _____

>>72164973
Too old made,
Christmas cake

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>>72165012

>>72164954
twiceshitters are just full of hate and shit taste

>>72165003
shin
dong
yup

>>72165016
Nayeon, Taeyeon

>>72164990
bro dont trust those cult bitches

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>>72164974
nope

>>72165005
bruh look who you're posting with

>>72165007
wee woo is soty material for sure

https://youtu.be/8od1jj_n3xI

i still dont get why dawon's gimmick is deadpan

>>72165016
Yuju, Moonbyul

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fell for her when some anon posted this video of her
too bad I still don't like pristin, hope their next release will be good, so I might can one day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2QaFvckmzo

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>>72164922

>>72165040
naisu

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>>72165039
those are good red blooded men who just work there

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>>72165041
An ethereal and universally well liked center of the greatest girl group to ever exist?

minah tummy finally being shown in performances

>>72165016
yezicripple, one guy

https://youtu.be/EQiQ_CrXSYo
wtf i love vivi now

>>72165016
luda, taeyeon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQiQ_CrXSYo

>>72165068
trippin

>>72164954
everyone hates pristin, everything about them is shit
lovelyz has boring songs but people dislike their posters more than the group itself
wjsn is well liked, if you see something negative about them it's probably just bantz

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mama mia
new kendrick lamar sure is shit

>>72165080
imagine pushing that rat-faced uggo off the boat

>>72165085
>wjsn is well liked
I've spent enough time here to word this

>>72165078
her vocab consists of 2 words

>On April 14th according to MBC broadcasting officials, PRISTIN's Xiyeon will be joining MBC's Show! Music Core as an MC after Kim Saeron and Lee Soomin made notice about their departure from the show.

>>72165085
Word, word, literally kill yourself

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cutest girl in the galaxy~

>>72164973
digusting, but less disgusting than current vivi

>>72165085
forgot your wjsn

>>72165078
>>72165080
Vivi gonna save kpop

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>>72165113
why was she speaking exactly like Taeyeon on this stream

>>72165016
baekhyun, taeyeon

>>72165078
>filmed in korea
so funding has ended

>>72164954
rvshits hate pristin because they have an upgraded irene. twiceshits are angry because wee woo is an upgraded LOA

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>>72165136
>>72165038
>>72165079
I feel like all these baits were especially for me, I'm flattered

>>72165078
I should check out loona maybe

>>72165151
>upgraded irene
omo, who?

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>>72165154

>>72165150
she comes from china tho

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>>72165110
I don't think there's anyone who can replace kim saeron but siyeon is a good attempt

>>72165163
here >>72164940

>>72165136
enjoy it while it lasts, he's going to start melting soon too

@72165151
not even giving you that (You) for you bullshit

>>72165078
poor man's serri...

https://cldup.com/qXjbmWVgaf.mp4

I need a full version of this

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>>72165085
this hardly sounds non-partisan

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>>72165165

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>>72165131
Same species

>>72165176
here >>72165057

>>72165189
ooh the nose
i see

>>72165212
>18th
what the fuck how did that get in there
shes like 30 btw

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kpop is saved

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>>72165176
I liked the song she did with Ravi... Bomb was a banger

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happy birth

>>72165226
>btw
haHAA

>>72165235
I wish you vivishitters would end it

>>72165246
I don't get this

what's so shitty about pristin anyway? I've never heard a good explanation

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCcVrLcGD7k

>>72165268
Their music
visuals
etc

>>72165276
those are the good things

>>72165268
I never heard a good song on their album
here you go

>>72165235
how did she go from this

>>72165264
it's a sarcastic laugh popularized by the known streamer Lirik at twitch.tv

Friendly reminder that OH's and reddit's favorite rookie group is Pristin.

Act accordingly.

>>72165287
you have to listen to their album to hear their songs

>>72165268
i think people really dislike their debut song, it's kinda terrible desu
they also have more ugly members than most groups

they jus hatin

>>72165307
neither of these is true though

>>72165268
Their debut was lackluster and it's obvious that they're riding on IOI's popularity

>>72165298
choa is so elegant with her short legs

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>>72165275
you should really kys

>>72165306
did
>I never heard a good song on their album

>>72165307
>people
two guys who happen to have a huge hardon for yezicripple

wee woo is great

>>72165328
I guess you didn't listen to the song

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fuck pristin

>>72165307
>they also have more ugly members than most groups

their music is a different matter but this is not true at all

>>72165338
>wee woo is great
finally a post I can word

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>wee woo is great

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>>72165087
You're supposed to post Sohye when mamma mia posting

I'm starting to think that wee woo is patrician-core

>>72165345
I did and that's why you should kys

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>>72165365

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>>72165382

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>>72165391
why should I kms

>>72165268
>self-produced
LMAO

>>72165395
>this is a member of a visual group

>>72165410
that's accept commendable

>>72165087
he mentions thigh notes qt in a song

>>72165379
I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this anon, but you are retarded.

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>>72165418

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pops a bona

>>72165382
I thought this was clc rat from the thumbnail

>>72165432
shook

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wow that one guy memeing about pristin really started sth here

>>72165445
>wow
good song

>>72165441
apologize to seolhyun

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>>72165444

>>72165440
*pops a shit*

>>72165468
why? yujin is cute

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it's getting tiresome. please stop posting the same stuff every day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBP7wbbedlg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJHUKzz1vss
what happened to KKS?
MBK (former CCM) used to have great songs

>>72165506
maybe, but don't compare her to a goddess like seolhyun

>>72165422
>that's desperate
Word

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Are you guys seeing this?

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just listened to coloring book
pretty good album, this song really got me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmzuuHGIyuA

>>72165512
word, everything mbk released after number 9 was terrible

no such thing as an upgraded irene

>>72165543
Is that Babysoul's dyke sister?

really really really REALLEEEH

>>72165556
respect sugar free

>>72165533
even when seolhyun is doing a cute act compared to her usual seductive one?

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BINNIE

>>72165559
CUTEEEEEEE

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>>72165575
word she's goals, but can never be reached

>>72165592
yeah, sugar free wasn't that bad, but it doesn't compare to early t-ara stuff

>>72165268
So let's dissect the fuck out of this group, because frankly I don't like them at all.

>The group's image
The group is a group that piggybacks off the large group formula of their predecessors with little success, because of their visuals. Compared to After School they are ugly as hell and not worth successors.
Their members already had scandals even before they were assigned into a group with the one girl being seen drinking with a middle aged man when she was only 16.

>The group's debut
The group's debut hinged on IOI's success and pushed their two IOI members in the face of the public to say "LOOK THIS IS ALSO AN IOI GROUP" and looked to emulate many groups of recent (read: Twice) and in reality failed. As they should have.

>The group's music
For a group that tried to piggyback on their elders (Seventeen)'s gimmick of self-produced music, Pristin showed that if you aren't experienced you should just fucking let the professionals do their business. Their debut album is one of the worst albums I have ever listened to with awful mastering and production, cringey lyrics and crappy vocal distribution.

>>72165546
that's been their lead-in for comeback stages. i think they did almost the whole thing on simply yesterday

https://youtu.be/DBdl-m9nM_Q

>>72165618
the only thing about her that can't be reached is her advanced age lol

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>>72165614
Qt

>>72165642
many idols are older than her so your joke doesn't make sense

>>72165631
That's just your opinion

>>72165654
You didn't even read it did you

iu getting zico'ed

>>72165652
>many

LOL

>>72165631
Damn that's harsh and I don't agree with most of it.
>Their debut album is one of the worst albums I have ever listened to with awful mastering and production, cringey lyrics and crappy vocal distribution.
This I can word, it's probably the worst kpop album I've heard from start to finish. I wanted to like them because I love Nayoung and Pinky but their songs are just too bad.

>>72165652
>many idols are older than 70
doubt it dbh

>>72165674
have you listened to twice?

>>72165690
t. pristincripple

>>72165690
Yes and I don't think they're as bad as Pristin to be honest.

>>72165559
are her hands big or her face is just small?

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>>72165618
irene is great

>>72165707
a little of both, she really has big hands and long feet and her face is small as heck

some peoples obsession with other posters really makes these threads unbearable sometimes

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>>72165642
>age
don't worry about it

Moributol bakukaji hot issue!

>>72165732
>long feet
ny favorite

>>72165706
there's no way any album is worse than twice's albums

>>72165739
the twiceantis really ruin the threads sometimes, i feel you

>>72165706
Have you heard Twice sing live tho?

>>72165740
best noona

>>72165728
LMAO I love her even more now

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Are you guys seeing this?

>>72165744
you must love Jisook and Pyo

>>72165631
you could have just said that you hate wee woo (again, for the 100th time)

it's not like after school was filled with visual goddesses either. obviously nana if you like that type (most of us dont). other than that? lizzy used to be cute but very rough

>>72165690
Just being honest I believe that Twice's albums have great production

>>72165792
you are correct

>>72165641
nice one

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I like Loona now

>>72165728
I don't get it

>>72165728
watching this makes me uncomfortable

>>72165795
they actually have the worst production of any big 3 group, it's embarrassing really

>>72165788
i'm definitely enjoying it

>>72165794
>it's not like after school was filled with visual goddesses either
You're wrong, After School had some of the best visuals in the last fucking decade.

>>72165822
nope

>>72165822
such as?

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>>72165806
I wish i didnt open this

>>72165809
she takes the cap but can't find the bottle

>>72165788
seeing double here!

>>72165728

Does anyone know where this is from?

Why is Yeri dressed so lewd compared to the rest?

>listening to pristin album
>girls are barking like dogs

this is total shit lmao

>>72165822
really? like who?

>>72165833
why? shes talented

>>72165806
ewwwww what the FUCK

>>72165830
>>72165856
Uee, Nana, Jooyeon

>>72165851
that was the most creative part I've heard in a kpop song in quite a while

post lewd tzuyu pls

>>72165851
they are dogs

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MORE BINNIE

>>72165877
you have internet in the pen mrj?

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>>72165830
>>72165856
Nana, Lizzy, Raina

>>72165872
you could have at least attached some pics of anyone but nana so we could all have a good laugh

>>72165546
>>72165641
perfect day is a shit avril lavigne ripoff you fucking retards

>>72165871
waat? it's so hot

>>72165913
currently imagining seolhyungf and crying

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if you don't find Jooyeon pretty there's something wrong with you

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I only saved this picture because I thought it looked ugly but people seem to like it.

I still don't get it.

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>>72165882
good post

>>72165935
shes old and busted now tho, shes like 40-50 I think?

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>>72165901
>lizzy
>raina
>visuals
sure they were cute but come on

>any song with guitars is an avril ripoff

>>72165938
this picture just needs a black couch in the background

>>72165956
god she is so bad at acting

>>72165938
nayeon looks smol, cute and super lewd here

Sana is the only good Twice

>>72165953
yeah she is 80 you fucking moron

>>72165913
how can someone be so perfect looking
it's not fair

kpg seems to really hate After School

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>>72165939

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>>72165966
what's your opinion on this

>>72165980
in korean age maybe

>>72166005
shes so cute

>>72166005
looks like variety show level acting. at least shes not doing it in a drama so ill give it a pass

>>72166005
TAENGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Why the fuck do SNSD members drive in these cheap minis? Even Taeyeon has the chapest possible Porsche. They should be rolling in lambos.

Any annyeong amz fans here?

>>72166025
my reaction exactly.

>>72166032
Jessica took all money

>>72166032
being frugal and not wasting money on shit they dont want

>>72166032
maybe it looks cute for them

>>72166003
with good reason

>>72166004
its like she sees whats in your soul

>>72166051
such as?

>>72166051
whats the reason?

>>72166057
SHE CAN HAVE IT ALL DESU!

Nana is great but Jungah was the prettiest After School member.

>>72166032
i don't think most idols are really that rich...
but also they're not being wasteful

>>72166061
I like Dongdong the most but Cambodian princess is prettier

>>72166061
did zico record this since hes used to seolhyun kneeling in front of him?

>>72166063
>>72166065
they're nugus

>>72165956
this anon gets it

and nana is objectively beautiful but the model type isn't exactly why we're here in the first place...

>>72166081
based noona lover

>>72166086
lol k

>>72166085
MORON

>>72165085
i actually agree with this

except if you post seola, shes uggo and useless

>>72166086
if that's the reason we should hate almost every group ever posted here

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I can't believe this

>>72165956
why do I think she's attractive af like this

>>72166122
the best picture I've seen whole day

>>72166118
we actually do

https://youtu.be/l6FH8EIc8_Q?t=181

Vivi is fluent in Korean, you guys lied to me

>>72166136
*stares at pit*

>>72166122
they are real because she wouldn't lie to her fans

moonbok dropped to 5th
looks like he's being locked in top 11 isn't so guaranteed after all

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do we like Dongdong here

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>>72166134
have you seen this yet

>>72165201
i likes. smol luda ftw

>>72166147
same

>>72166164
we don't like any aoa shitters now

>>72166163
memes dont last forever. he might not even make the final cut

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>>72166164
we love dongdong everywhere

>>72165085
i like pristin's title song a lot (b-sides are awful)
it's a shame that they have really no pretty faces at all

lovelyz entire discography is shit
jiae and yein are great main and sub visuals though

wjsn had one really good song
2 visuals but also 2 super uggos

>>72166165
yes I did

>>72166174
then come nayeon is in twice when shes a talentless fugly hack

>>72165085
>wjsn is well liked, if you see something negative about them it's probably just bantz

Preach

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remember when a kpop turned out to be an actual literal prostitute?
good times

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>>72166032
what are you talking about?

>>72166200
>g.na
>kpop
hardly

>>72166105
I've seen jav that start like this (if you replace the halmeoni with men)

>>72166177
>wjsn had one really good song
agree
>2 visuals but also 2 super uggos
who?

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>>72166173
why? I did nothing wrong

>>72166176
good

>>72166173
we love every aoa member and everyone who posts aoa members

>>72166200
GNA said she didn't want to use her body to get famous, so she hid her best assets the whole time when she was active, then later she becomes a prostitute....

so stupid...

good night to everyone but choa

>>72166236
choa shitter detected

>>72166212
omo i came one foot from hitting that stand better exaggerate with a laugh

she's faker than her own face

1 Jihoon
2 Samuel
3 Daehwi
4 Ong Seongwoo
5 Jang Moonbok
6 Lai Guanlin
7 Ahn Hyungseob
8 Joo Haknyeon
9 Minhyun (Nu'est)
10 Euiwoong
11 Jonghyun (JR) (Nu'est)

>>72166249
she was tricked into it!

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We hate AOA mina here

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>tfw not dog

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>>72166251
STUPID say good night to choa or else

>>72166253
he is right though

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>>72166221
secret, bona, luda

>>72166280
you didn't name the other two

>>72166259
no, I heard she slipped and landed on the tteokbokki by mistake

>>72166164
sure but she's kinda irrelevant since seolhyun exists

so let me get this straight. the anti-pristincripple posts the same garbage every day because kpg has been mean to after school?

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>>72166263
but there's literally no reason to hate her

>>72165842
looks like its from that day Joy fell on the stage after her earplug blew up. They were dressed exactly like this

>>72166302
we love AS here tho?

>>72166302
why does this surprise you? we're all autistic here

>>72166312
she's still existing

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>>72166288
yeonjung, soobin

I love Wendy

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what did she mean by this?

>>72166319
not exactly, no lol

happy namjoo day

seokyu (the boy that was beaten by the members of his group) up 49 places

>>72166280
>bona
word
>luda
meh

>>72166365

>>72166334
yeonjung and soobin are uggos? seriously?

>>72166323
all memes aside it's kinda pathetic

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>>72166280
yeo tho... also can't spell sexy without EXY

>>72166318

Thanks, found it.