/classical/

Handel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dutPH80D0k

Celibidache's boxsets are definitely worth it.

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>>72108442
>those sharps on the A

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>>72108504

>>72108565
The A naturals in the left hand

>>72108504
Yeah, if you like shit

Best recording of Salome?

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1E2wfvhoI1U

shitty waltz

>>72108442
C# major is just Db major for edgelords

>>72109498
Not if you plan to exclusively modulate downwards in the circle of fifths by three or more keys.

>Unlike Wagner, Puccini does not develop or modify his motifs, nor weave them into the music symphonically, but uses them to refer to characters, objects and ideas, and as reminders within the narrative
The germans have Liszt, the french Chopin, and the italians Puccini. What should we call this trio?

>>72109494
Judging by what most anons' compositions are like, that's not half bad. Keep at it faggot.

>>72109524
petzold

Mozart is overrated plebshit, right /classical/?

>>72109524
Pizza with wurstel a' la julienne.

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>>72109931

>>72109524
Not just Puccini, the entire of romantic italian opera composers are like this

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>>72109524
>The germans have Liszt

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>>72109965
>>72109524

REMINDER THAT LISZT IS HUNGARIAN

>>72110007
He doesn't look mongolian to me.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3YfBGR-WSo

>>72109931
I like some of his chamber pieces.

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>>72110205

>>72110205
classic bruno

>>72110224
Everyone likes them, he's a safe-as-fuck pop-classical

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chart?

>>72110335
Do you have the rym link?

>>72110540
sent ;)

>>72110329
I prefer his safe style than edgy atonal stuff to be frank.

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>>72111120
>He prefers to music that's enjoyable to listen
leave /mu/

>>72111261
I don't think /classical/ really likes the atonal composers.

>>72110335
>>72110540
kys
no one wants this half-assed garbage

>>72109524
>The germans have [good composer], the french [other good composer], and the italians [shit]
???

>>72110329
>safe-as-fuck
>Mozart
>this meme again

>>72111410
>Liszt
>Chopin
>good
???

>>72111324
I don't know anon, excellent recordings of most of the best music from the past century from 50 different composers, I think someone might appreciate it

>>72111427
Name one (1) work by Mozart that's even remotely challenging
Hard mode: No Requiem

>>72108608
I thought they were double sharps.

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https://youtu.be/dxwCEjvE338

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>>72111559
This is a double sharp

>>72111592

I did not think that through.

>>72111507
>excellent recordings
>most of the best music from the past century
you high bro?

>>72111548
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0icMbH7vN5I

Is 20 too late to start being piano, getting into classical music and actually being worth a shit? The culture seems to point to people who grew up around classical music and were able to adopt the instument and have lessons when they were very young.

>>72111688
And by 'being piano' I mean 'playing piano'.

>>72111630
It only has 2600 reviews, so it hasn't even passed peer review.

>>72111688
shut the fuck up
there's at least one of you retards asking the same stupid question in every thread

>>72111739
Kek. I'll lurk the next thread and wait for the next poor soul to ask then.

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Recommend me some composers still alive today.

All I know is there are plenty of "atonal", "post-dodecaphonic" composers that I view the same way I view what is going in art schools today (it's post-modern garbage). I also know there are mainstream guys like Hans Zimmer, Max Richter (his Vivaldi is quite good) or Morricone.
How do I get into the modern symphonic game?

>>72111688
The answer is yes, however only if you are able to spend multiple hours a day pursuing this interest and actually working. If you can see yourself spending less time on 4chan/jacking off/etc and pursuing music instead, go for it. I'm talking if you want to "actually be worth a shit".
A piece of advice: don't do it. It's not worth trying to be special, the odds are even if you started at 11 you're not going to make it. Get a job.
Imagine spending years doing something you're not even getting paid for. You hit 30 and start wondering wtf happened. Or you could get a job, have a steady income, money in your pocket. No sleeping in cars, no anxiety attacks, no being a leech.

>>72109067
The Krauss recording, honestly. Best overall singing and conducting. The sound is nice too, though it's only mono

>>72112589
Got it. Thanks for the honest answer.

>>72111688

Honestly, most pianists 'worth a shit' today aren't really that good in comparison to their past peers.

If you're thinking about Carnegie Hall, then good luck, but if playing for yourself is 'worth a shit' to you, it's a worthwhile endeavor. Music gives you a lot of perspective on life in general.

>>72112603
The '54 or the '47 recording?

>>72113374
not >>72112603

but was looking into the subject and found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Uv8B7KzcuE

Wunderlich in the production

>>72111548
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2ODfuMMyss

hard fucking aria

>>72111624
Elaborate

>>72113219
Not looking to go pro, just to be a respectable pianist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z97Pa0ICpn8

good soundtrack love michael nyman

>>72112289
Arvo Pärt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzSlmWQuHFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHQfid7zecE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAh4cBW389k
Rautavaara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPYGRfzfBew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFIGoB7rK70
Lera Auerbach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpRr-tTEpfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWLRwg9-Cqw
John Psathas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gG0j-35Mgk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHI2xyyH-CU
Anthony Ritchie is a pretty great symphonist, you'll probably have to order his music through SOUNZ though as there isn't much of it online:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXAwEWKV6F8

>>72113878

Then no, you're not late at all. You'll probably never play Rachmaninoff 3, but you can easily get some sonatas and nocturne under your belt.

>>72114204
>not recommending Tabula Rasa
>not recommending Spiegel im Spiegel
Fuck off

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>>72112589
>You hit 30 and start wondering wtf happened
I hit 30 a couple months ago: wizard, no friends, but at least I have my piano -- nobody can take that from me :3

>>72114727
My hand are probably too small for Rachmaninoff anyway.

>>72114727
Rachmaninoff isn't even that hard.

>>72115055
You can always roll it like the Asians do. There is a fucking 8 year old girl playing Rach's 2nd Sonata on youtube -- I believe in you.

Most of the time I can't tell Debussy and Ravel apart.

>>72115033

I'm 30, too. Grew up in a musical family, but never bothered to pick up an instrument myself. I can read sheet music, though. I've been thinking about trying to learn piano, but I can't afford a piano or even a keyboard. I don't know what I'm doing with my life.

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>>72115385
If it sounds like shit, it's Debussy. If it sounds amazing, it's Ravel.

do what you want to do. you're gonna die one day anyway. make music or do some stupid job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs00O53sx5A

>>72114808
I really dislike both of those pieces. So sue me. Fratres was Pärt's breakthrough work in the 90s, Summa for strings is a personal favorite of mine - simply beautiful, and his first symphony and Perpetuum Mobile showcase his earlier, dissonant style.
You could have brought up Fur Alina as well, as it was really his first tintinnabuli piece.

>>72115385
>>72115406
fucking morons

leave and don't come back

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>not listening to Tafelmusik while eating dinner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIKdGAQEunE
What's your excuse?

A weeb with good opinions is as oxymoronic as a new complexity composition that isn't utter wank.

wer

>Lully dies
>Leclair: leave French music to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVcOAPeMyRk

Who are you favourite pianists of baroque music?

>>72117907
Soler.

>>72115915
saying the point of new complexity is wank is even less true than saying the point of etudes is wank

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBOtMtgVGCA

Is this Schubert's most beautiful song?

>>72109931
no you autist he is #1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGWYbkXCcGU

holy shit this is literally the best piece of music ever created by man and if any of you disagree i will come to your house and end you

>>72118093
I disagree.
Come over anon I'm lonely.

>>72118106
no you aren't allowed to disagree

>>72111688
Depends what your definition of 'worth a shit' is.

There's plenty of evidence towards the logarithmic nature of music performance. Many classical pianists who cared to write of their own studies in detail within their notes/memoirs remarked that, despite the abundance of talent and cultivated ability, sight reading and memorization in particular became noticeably more difficult past their 20s; it's no coincidence that your brain begins to calcify somewhere around that point. As a late starter you're going to have a difficult time developing some abilities which are crucial to becoming a well rounded musician.

Technique is but one thing, responsibilities/personal life notwithstanding any late beginner can learn to play virtuoso passages quickly if dexterity is what they most desire, but the 'big picture' will often elude them and they'll find it difficult to memorize complete works or the things that they do finish learning will begin to fade much too quickly unless they rehearse them almost every single day which is exhausting if not downright unfeasible with longer music. Chopin/Liszt etudes are possible but don't even think about getting something like 'Petroushka' down without proper study habits.

If you rephrase your question as "will I be good enough by the time I'm 40 to pass an audition for any of the top 10 worldwide conservatoires or place highly in an international piano competition?" then the answer is simply no. You'll have 20 years of experience with the added disadvantage of having to begin studying one of the most excruciatingly minute disciplines on the planet in a period where your body is already beginning to slow down while most serious pianists will have 35 years under their belt and enough of their life committed to this one thing that it's like second nature to them.

You should read Piano Notes by C. Rosen. It's fairly simple but it details some very important concepts for anyone unfamiliar with the broad world of piano playing.

>>72117924
Glenn Gould is number one, without a doubt. A phenomenal pianist, personality and thinker. His interpretation of WTC is unchallenged, to this day.

>>72118093
Try Passions you brainlet. Mozart is unorganized and gets carried away with the voicing.

Good Friday is coming up anons, which Passion setting/recording will you be listening to?

>>72118441
Mentally challenged, you mean.

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>>72118030
You can cry "exploring new avenues of musical expression" until you're red in the face. The score is only the score and nothing but the score. An étude that can't be performed is not much of a musical study at all. The spectralists also make use of many notational idiosyncrasies (out of necessity), the difference being that theirs always have a functional quality in the production of sound (music). Not so with the new complexicists who have had to retreat into increasingly more "esoteric" (i.e. nonsensical -- e.g. the insane schizophrenic idea of a "dialogue" between the score and the performer) apologetics every time someone has pointed out that they have no ground to stand on.

Gullible morons like you is why contemporary music is allowed to be so lacking. There's too many shit eating pseuds with their mouths wide open ready for charlatans to crap in.

>>72119506
>Someone writes the music they want to write
>someone else says its shit

Same thing has been happening all throughout time. They said it about Monteverdi, they said it about Beethoven, they said it about Debussy, they said it about Stravinsky, they said it about Schoenberg, they said it about Penderecki, they said it about Reich. Now you're saying it about Fereyhough. It doesn't make you smarter than he is. It makes you look dumb and closed minded.

>>72119551
Many people also say the earth is flat and the moon landing was a hoax. "People say things" is not any sort of defence at all.

More bald faced lies from Ferneyhough:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRWLhYNtjWg&t=1m26s

>>72119571
>Many people also say the earth is flat and the moon landing was a hoax
That's what your comments on new complexity come across as. Its something you don't understand and are trying to make up things to explain it.
"New Complexity is random bullshit" is as dumb as saying the earth is flat, but you just don't know any better. In 100 years you might work it out.

>>72119609
And now we're back to "you don't know anything about it". Generic, unsubstantiated, pretend "esotericism".

Chopin

One of the best piano études ever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zetpj0eOo7Y

>>72111688
Just play it for fun - you don't have to be especially good. as long as you enjoy it - so what?

Vivaldi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc0SdpExmBI

>>72108442

How long would it take for someone to learn how to transcribe music into notation? And just how useful is it?

Seems to me like transcription is a MUST-HAVE tool, that would allow you to analyze music and speed up your learning substantially. Am I wrong in this assumption?

>>72118441
Gould was a charlatan and a sociopath

>>72121346
>sociopath

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbLw2Mfa2NA

>>72121378
This is exactly what someone pretending to have feelings would do.

>>72121505

You know what psychopaths also do?

>>72121255
https://youtu.be/0tImDKORu0c

>>72120083
No one is denying that. It's all about managing expectations. It would suck for him to commit to something only to later realize that a significant chunk of its upper echelon will always be inaccessible to him. I doubt a late beginner would ever be able to memorize the Liszt Bm sonata let alone give a convincing performance of it, if he wants to play those works then he should be wary of what he's getting into.

>>72111688
It's very unlikely that you'll get this far but if you're ready to set aside a couple hours every day for the rest of your life then my advice if you want to be taken seriously 10-20 years from now is to avoid becoming too invested in the traditional concert repertoire and to instead focus on the less explored corners of the literature. Haydn instead of Mozart, Hummel instead of Beethoven, Faure instead of Debussy, Medtner instead of Rach. Feinberg instead of Scriabin and Scriabin instead of Chopin. Godowsky and Busoni's paraphrases and transcriptions instead of Liszt's operatic fantasies. Don't ignore the greats altogether but I'd rather hear an amateur play Feinberg sonata 2 than an uninspiring Appassionata for the hundredth time. Leave the big stuff to the people that can bring something new to it.

Even better advice would be to not give a shit about being taken seriously and to just do what keeps you happy but you expressed interest in being acknowledged by other 'serious' pianists so there you go. Kids your age are winning competitions and performing all over the world, you're only going to fall further behind as time goes on, at least make yourself interesting instead of a weak imitation of the artists you admire.

Good luck anon! Stay motivated, I believe in you. I've studied piano for 22 years and the literature is so much more rich than most people realize. I could easily listen to just solo piano music for the rest of my life and ignore orchestral/multi-instrumental works altogether without growing bored in the slightest.

It's obvious that 'atonality' (in the sense that has become common-place, not strictly its technical/actual meaning) is bad. It's no coincidence that every genre that once represented the zeitgeist (classical, romantic, jazz, rock, dance music) eventually descends into atonality (a situation where listeners can no longer tell right from wrong, mistake from intention).

I guess you could refute this if you really think that this decline is in fact progress, that spectralism and new complexity are improvements on Stockhausen who improved on Schoenberg ... on Wagner ... on Beethoven ... on Mozart. But I think this is wrong, and has always been wrong.

To be great you have to conquer both popular and elite tastes, the contemporary and the timeless, the body and the mind. This stopped after Wagner for classical music, at the latest. Atonality is music that leaves the body, it is mental illness and detachment. Steve Reich knew this, and that is how he managed to be so relatively popular, he was even strongly involved and influenced by the music of the time, the start of dance music.

>>72108442

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>>72123061
Please don't put Spectralism and New Complexity in the same category. They're in no way alike. And neither has much of anything to do with Stockhausen.
>To be great you have to conquer both popular and elite tastes,
No.
>every genre that once represented the zeitgeist eventually descends into atonality
What?

>>72121346
so you two have something in common then

Telemann

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKEvnGJb1pk

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>>72123450
>>72123061
I think I should put it more forcefully:

I want poseur Spengler-ist (i.e. sperglerists of all stripes; the archetype is the Jordan Peterson fan who thinks he's discovered some new insight about the world and has to spread it everywhere like an incontinent brainlet) /pol/tards (and every other music-to-other-ends-faggot) to leave. Or at the very least, I want them to have the decency of having some basic knowledge of music and music history if they're going to ramble about grand narratives of decay.

I linked this documentary (about Wittgenstein and Schönberg) last thread, I guess it's worth linking it again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRI_ZSh6iF4
Both Wittgenstein and Schönberg failed because they misconstrued their objects of study. Don't make the same mistake. But If you're going to do it anyway, litter your thoughts somewhere else.

>>72122995
my point was he doesn't have to memorise the liszt b minor sonata or anything of that scale. There are plenty of enjoyable piano works that are fairly straightforward such as Kinderszenen or some of the chopin preludes for example

>>72124205
Schoenberg didn't fail for me, though. I love his music, some of which helped me during a very emotional time in my life. I may not care about those that came after him, but that's fine.

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I'm an ultra pleb and I don't get what is wrong with this record.

>>72124126
>meant to be filler background music
>better than any of the shit mainstream court composers put out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLI7RHSq5wo

>>72124580
There are several ways in which Schönberg failed, including by his own standards, which is the only subjective vantage point I have any passing interest in on this matter.

I happen to loathe serialism, but I also happen to love the antibodies that were created when the corpus of music was infected with this disease.

>>72124910
I can't say that I care very much about his own standards. If he failed by them, then so be it. But I love the music he and the rest of his school produced. It's very soothing to me.

There isn't a period in the musical canon that I hate at all, really. Though I do hold indifference towards most of the latter half of the 20th century.

>>72124832
is there supposed to be something wrong with it?

>>72124950
>Though I do hold indifference towards most of the latter half of the 20th century.
Why? This is very strange coming after
>There isn't a period in the musical canon that I hate

>>72124956
Lots of reviews complaining about the sound, but how is it worse than Furtwangler or Stokowski's recordings?

>>72125007
Indifference, not hate.

And I'm mostly talking about composers like Boulez and Stockhausen, mostly. Admittedly I have only heard a fraction of their music, but I didn't care for it too much.

I haven't heard anything from people like Reich. Not yet, anyway. Currently I'm still chopping away at renaissance-era and I believe I'll be pre-occupied with that for a time. Maybe then I'll give the latter half of the 20th century a more explorative gaze.

>>72125007
>>72124950
To be clear: I'm not in the "everything is just like it always was" camp. I'm extremely apathetic towards almost all contemporary composers myself. I'm just curious what makes the music culture after WWII so of its own kind.

>>72125053
weird

always considered that recording to sound perfectly fine. it's actually far superior in terms of sound quality to his studio recording on DG, which sounds like ass. the live recording actually let's you hear some of Kleiber's very meticulous balancing decisions, the winds in particular are very nice.

>>72125101
For me too, but I have no way to defend it so I asked here.

>>72125123
i guess it sounds a bit distant and a tad weak in bass, but it isn't too bad.

i think a lot of reviewers are just used to hearing closely miked and artificially manipulated recordings.

i would certainly rather listen to a limited and neutral live recording, than an overly miked and x-ray'd studio recording.

>>72125091
Well, concerning Boulez and Stockhausen, I never liked them that much because of what I perceived as their coldly analytical approach towards music making. In my opinion there's this sort of exclusivity towards their composition style which seemed too private, as if they were compositions created solely for others of their ilk.

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo7u0FJGyYs

>tfw you realize how much of a fucking failure CONSERVATORYCEL you are for going to music school like a good little goy and getting your useless piece of paper you call a degree while CHADS like Telemann can compose masterpieces without formal education
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnTEwsRT-8k

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Haydn's 45th --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWwTJWD-51M
(I bet you haven't heard it like this before. A shame about the audio.)

>>72125248
But... Schönberg was just as analytic. Or were you talking about his earlier Romantic compositions before?

>>72125829
Personally I never thought so. Yeah, he was analytical, but he struck a close balance between that and his romanticism. He and the SVS were romantics in sheeps clothing. Maybe to varying degrees (With Berg being the most romantic) but it's true. All of them had very wide tastes and were compartively a lot more inclusive and respecting. Berg had extemely wide tastes, he even liked Delius. Schoenberg got along with and admired Bliss and Gershwin.

>>72125829
Scherchen's Haydn is probably my favorite overall

heard his Seven Last Words? probably the best recorded oratorio version, in my opinion.

john luther adams music is just DUDE LANDSCAPES LMAO

>>72121305
>how long will it take
it completely depends
>how useful is it?
extremely

if you want to transcribe a single-line melody, with some ear training it should be pretty simple. transcribing something with multiple voices and chord changes will require a bit more advanced training. just look at transcriptions of other pieces for an example of what to do.

Is William Grant Still a meme or legit?

>I take music really seriously and don't just use it as something to enjoy

*tips fedora*

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>>72126059
No, actually. I've only ever listened to the quartet version. (Damn. Thanks for reminding me.)
And yes, Scherchen is fantastic for Haydn.

>>72127052
want me to upload it? as far as i know the only one being shared around is some shitty LP transfer that the uploader claimed was in stereo, but is very clearly in mono

(the one I have is in stereo)

>>72127102
If you could it would be much appreciated.

>>72127140
https://mega.nz/#!TFNzgb4T!KQg2k77TbtU9Z7HkdToxC_uqf_F3RVlnB6SpDpY9UxQ

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Any classical guitar nerds?

https://youtu.be/JiSknZxlpmM

Help a brother out Id this for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-mk1Amy_I8

Oy. I make classekul musik! Give me a hear.

https://soundcloud.com/datchanin/ich-bin-der-panzerknacker

>>72127541
this is /classical/ not /vidyamusic/, oy

>>72127279
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwg7FWPisU

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Rameau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8b8DKAI2bo

What is your favorite piece (or your top-whatever) of the well tempered clavier? And played best by who?
Mine is BWV 847 prelude, probably by Pollini

>>72127279
>falling for the classic guitar meme

>>72128110
>tfw I fell for it and studied it for 8 years
>tfw haven't touched the instrument in around 5 years now
Sad

>>72111688
Define "worth a shit"

>>72128152
why does that happen? :(

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>>72126808
>he doesn't take music seriously
>his room is not plastered with the scores of his favourite compositions
>he doesn't carry a photo of his favourite composer in his wallet
>he doesn't try to impersonate his favourite composer on every occasion
normalfags get out reeee

>>72128390
Don't reply to bait.

When I was young I used to play the violin and I regret giving it up. Where should I get a fairly decent violin from and what sort of price would I be looking at?

More Haydn, Oxford symphony --
Toscanini: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77rBegJuEkc
Scherchen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cARYsQjNNLY

Tchaikovsky or Shostakovitch?

someone ID this for me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qj0Dpbq9i0

ty in advance

>>72128798
rent, never buy until your teacher tell your.

>>72127967
BWV 885 Gulda

>>72128798
I got mine from a violin shop for 500 USD, not including the bow and case. That was the cheapest thing they were willing to stock.

I'm new to /classical/, how should I get recommendations? Do I post a chart of my favorite recordings or something?

>>72131219
You should start playing

>>72129525
Shostakovich.

>>72131331
I do play a cello, if that is what you are asking.

>>72131331
snooty /classical/ poster btfo

>>72131606
He's right though. Looking at repertoire is one of the best ways to expand your horizons

Are bass voices that rare or only basso profondo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXhBRyvOw7Y

Schnittke played by literal fedoras.

My day is complete

>>72133229
I forgot which Schnittke piece it was, but apparently after its supposed end, one additional player, posing as an audience member, is directed to go up to the stage and slam on some random keys on the piano as the final send-off.

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>>72108442
Um, so I started playing violin. Moved from guitar, which I been playing since like forever.
So like, on guitar I know my scales and I have my own improvisational style and stuff which basically sounds like dumbed down classical guitar with more emphasis on the single line than on polyphony, it's p neato. Anyway.
How long will it take to develop this on the violin? I been playing for almost three years extensively but it just doesn't feel quite like it does on guitar. Could it be just an innate difference in the instruments and how they're played? Or is it just that I will never be able to achieve the same level of familiarity that I have with the guitar because I started violin too late?
I feel like I'm almost there desu, but it just won't click.
Also what exercises should I do for scales? I heard that you should be able to play any given scale over three octaves as well as um, whatever it's called when you play two notes one octave apart, but yeah I wanna do that.
I'm still not really sure what the positions are for the left hand, I've just kinda been trying to get the feel of the instrument.
Are there classical violinists that deviate from that stuff?
On guitar I never really payed attention to the technicalities because they just came naturally, but maybe on violin it doesn't work that way?

>>72133331
I think its from the Gogol Suite

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>>72133388
Learn to walk before you try to run. Improv senses will come to you naturally once you get good enough.

>>72112289
I like macmillan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvuigMwuj-k

>>72109931

faggot

Which piece do you have set as your ringtone?

>>72134560
My phone is on vibrate.

>>72134560
steve reich ripoff #114 - the marimba

>>72134560
first un peu marque from Scarbo

>>72118441
I find his playing is very technical. I mean, he sounds like a machine. Like those modern pianolas. I find Jacob Schiff much nicer to listen to.

>>72133388

>played for 3 years extensively

>has questions about scales

Yeah, you better be lying or you're the worst violin student of all time.

>>72111562
as a bassoonist, sergio azzolini's recordings are truly top tier. good choice my friend

can anyone rec some chamber music with french horn, preferably on the modern/impressionist side

Music historians say pre-Romantic era composers didn't write sad-sounding pieces when they were sad and happy-sounding ones when they were happy.
But why? Couldn't an artist from that time and earlier make a painting with dull, dark colours and sad subject matter if he was feeling depressed? Why shouldn't composers have been able to do it?

>>72135664
That's the thing. I'm not a student.

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>>72136111
Good taste anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWU62Bsohzc

>>72136499
Akari has good taste in automobiles.

>>72136499
Actually this is good as shit.

>>72136445
You are learning (studying) to play the violin ergo you are a student of the violin.

>>72136848
You just blew my fucking mind.*

>>72136226
ligeti horn trio

>>72136438
There's no reason why they couldn't have done it but it just wasn't the style at the time. Romanticism was all about brooding introspection, emo was in vogue during the period whereas the classical/enlightenment period was more about achieving perfection of form.

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>>72108442
Do you like tavener?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs5yLJR4nDc

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>>72133388
>this whole post
Don't use anime, you're making our reputation even worse than it is.
And quit playing violin, you're retarded (I'm willing to bet you're shit out of tune 100% of the time and don't even notice it).

>guitarists
Playing fretted instruments makes you develop bad fingering habits. Try mandolin instead.

>>72137245
I swear to God if you're that one dude.

>>72137283
Huh...?

>>72137323
Last time some dood bullied me a new asshole.
Anyway yes I'm probably not even playing in tune. How fix this?

>>72137044
lovely thx

>>72133388
You're fucking retarded

>>72137366
You can't fix it, you're retarded.
Pick up the mandolin.

(I'm only laying it to you straight m8. You're not cut to be a violinist.)

>>72137166
His vocal music is enjoyable enough I guess. Song for Athene --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3eqNBXi9W4
I think very little of Tavener in general. An unoriginal hack. Minimalism without lyric content is boring as sin. (The Protecting Veil sucks.)

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>Rapidly play the principal note, the next higher note (according to key signature) then return to the principal note
Why is this the description when its almost always the note higher-->principal note-->note higher?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_symbols#Articulation_marks

>>72138679
there are upper and lower mordents, and you can distinguish between them because one's upside down

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>>72138687
Even when the upper mordent symbol is used instead of pic related its often still the note higher--> principal note.

Here's an example https://youtu.be/M8CVU0XSu1s?t=11s

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>>72138716
An upper mordent is: Principle - higher - principle
A lower mordent is : Principle - lower - higher

However performers sometimes play upper mordents as trills (starting on the higher note) if the note is longer.

>>72138762
Also the rules of playing mordents aren't set in stone and down to interpretation of the piece, but typically this is how you would play them

>>72138787
This makes sense especially since the tr symbol wasnt used during the baroque era IIRC

>>72138838
No, the tr symbol was still used in the baroque era as it requires the performer to play a trill whereas an upper mordent would only suggest a trill

>>72138838
Another thing is that performers sometime add their own ornaments as well as playing the one written by the composer

How do you sort your collection?

I'm just starting to sort out my mess of a collection and thought something like this might work
Composer
- Type of work (symphony/Opera/etc)
-- Perfomer

why do all the chord progression I make sound like shit?

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Is /classical/ uptown or downtown?

>>72139167
I do species (sonata, lieder etc) subindexed by composer.

>>72139167
I just chuck everything by the same composer into the same folder. The actual organization is done in Musicbee, through which I also play the music.

Pisendel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBHqfU2X1fg

>>72139229
???

>>72139351
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downtown_music
http://www.kylegann.com/downtown.html

>>72139382
what's uptown?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYbMa_7X0eE

>>72139457
nothing, what's up with you?

>>72139457
From what I can tell, uptown composers don't call themselves that, because it'd be legitimising the narrative that they discriminate against the other camp. From the way Gann is reporting it in the article, it seems to be the modern musical establishment. Mostly people in academic positions composing music following on from the European tradition: atonal, 12 tone, serialism, new complexity, etc.

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>>72108442

>>72139229
>>72139382
/classical/ is not downtown. Poptimists should evict the premises ASAP.

>>72139205
you have no ear for harmony?

>>72139490
I can imagine this being enjoyable to listen to if you're on meth, speed or crack. Otherwise it just sounds like senseless piano shredding.

>>72139490
Feinberg's sonatas are great. Check out Feinberg's recording of the WTC, pretty good sound, one of my favorite piano interpretations.

>>72139691
Some people don't need drugs to find sense in things.

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>>72139691
S-shut up! Commie music is awesome! (Feinberg is pretty mehh, but that's sonata form diligently followed alright. What's drugs have to do with anything? You don't like the subject of the sonata. Say it so.)

>>72138085
I'd argue his vocal music is "worse" than his instrumental music since he tends to follow a predictable formula that is effective, but when you've heard it for the 20th time it's a bit boring. There's at least some variation in his instrumental music.

His early stuff (80s) is pretty funky and not at all like his later stuff.

>>72140051
I don't disagree, but I have different exigencies for vocal music.

ptzld

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>>72139205
You haven't written enough my boy!

Keep studying, writing and listening

HELP ME OK?
https://clyp.it/22l4o1k1
CAN YOU IDENTIFY THIS COMPOSITION?
it bugs me very much, it plays in my head over and over, so i recorded it for identification pls help pls i will give you anything

Stravinsky's Apollo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX3CwVRg7EE&t=219s

What's with russians and ballet /classical/?
Post ballet.

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>>72139342
Pisendel is the only German that came close to the unbogged Vivaldian aesthetics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kLh9f26eog

>>72142076
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AssDQbaIP_I

>>72142076
Verdi Aida Grand March

>>72142085
and his name alliterates with piss

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I took a CPR class at my community college and got a valid student ID. I think I am going to buy $50 season tickets. Is $50 for 6 shows in nosebleeds a good price

>>72142193
Pizzold

>>72142220
The first four concerts look alright (particularly the first three), last two are a bit memey, last one particularly so. But if it's your first time seeing these works live then go for it.

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>as Beethoven became progressively more deaf his music became better

what did he mean by this?

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I bought this book on Beethoven yesterday at a thrift store in 9/10 condition. It's about 40 years old but whoever owned it must've never opened it. For only $6

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>>72142458
Interesting coincidence. I like to ogle Elle Fanning pics while I'm listening to Beethoven. Pic related goes well with Fidelio. I'm not sure why. Maybe because Beethoven's music leaves me with an impression of innocence (purity)? Passionate, youthful creativity but naïveté about women?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moVE2vvBGa4

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>>72142652
It's always picture with her laughing. I just can't put my finger on it.

Pic related goes extremely well with embed related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XM0yALu3Ek

>>72109931
Sometimes when I play Mozart if feel like he's trying to trick me with some of the shit he pulls in his music

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>>72142758
Speaking of Mozart, Rianne van Rompaey is the one for his music. She has a feminine face with masculine features, mildly androgynous. Mozart's music always makes me think of dickgirls.

A Don Giovanni where Casanova is a reverse trap / m-to-f trans with the dick attached would be awesome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVPkfHD6b7E

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>not listening to Mexican Classical music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJxd0nIY1oA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK3Jt44-6UI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKoq4KOHUEU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdKAlGlNZd0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z_W8nF8P7M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mLyle7B7n4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aX4iqovUj8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA7vEIj6Lzk

>>72142900
Casanova =/= Don Giovanni
Although there is a great bit in Casanova's memoirs where he falls in love with a castrato because he's convinced that the castrato is a girl. So he tries to examine their genitals to decide whether or not to stick his dick in it (if they turn out to be a castrato, he tells himself he will stop being attracted to them). He almost succeeds, and sees something that is either a penis or a "monstrous clitoris"

Eventually he succeeds, and it turns out that the castrato is actually a girl who has been pretending and has been wearing a fake rubber penis glued to her vag in order to perpetuate the illusion. They then fuck.

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>>72142652
>innocence (purity)

>>72137536
>>72137567
No, I can do this, I feel it. And you two are going to help me whether you like it or not.

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>>72142979

>>72142936
I'm always amazed at the fact that music by Spanish composers of the Renaissance made its way to Mexico very quickly.

>>72142975
I'm taking about Beethoven, not Elle. Maybe I'm sensing her laughing at Beethoven, or something like that. He seems to have been extremely spergy about women. And Fidelio is like a white knights dream. A woman devilishly laughing at that poor nerd soothes my heart.

>fuck you Beethoven why'd you have to be so good
I'm not jealous, I swear.

>>72142652
autism

>>72142973
Brain fart on my part. Change that to Don Juan/Giovanni.

What is it about Classical music that stirs me? Sometimes I get goosebumps, slight shaking, tearing up etc. I can't help but get swept away. It's like hearing what dreams are made of

Away to a meme concert of Tchaik's 1st Piano Concerto and Dvorak 9. I tried to convince the conductor that it's never a good idea to pair two warhorses together but he wouldn't listen.

>>72143170
you're probably just cold

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>>72143093
This joke again? I'm not autistic and I can prove it:
>https://psychology-tools.com/autism-spectrum-quotient/
This test is broken.

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>>72143367
>https://psychcentral.com/quizzes/autism-quiz.htm
wtf... :(

thank you for ruining my evening /classical/

Telemann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_7ONG_LQnA

>>72143367
>>72143617
this autism quiz joke stopped being funny years ago. most of the regulars in this general probably score in the same range https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB1M2HaEbI4

Any reccomendations for handel? I already have the messiah, concerto grossos op6 and the 8 great suites

>>72144942
water music
giulio cesare (if youre into opera)

Do you like to play with the organ?

>>72145079
No but I like to play with my penis

You could say I'm a dick virtuoso

>>72144942
Water Music suite (I loved Harnoncourt's recording)
Royal fireworks
solo suites (Richter and Gavrilov did a complete set)

>>72144942
Organ Concertos

They're pretty light-hearted and beautiful - even for Händel

This actually got me into Händel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugyiIePlvkg

>>72145079
>the organ
What did he mean by this?

>>72145272
>my penis
What did he mean by this?

>>72145731
The musical instrument. Also, who is the best composer for organ?

ummmm sooooo btw.... Obrecht > Josquin kbye!!! <3333

There is no good solo

>bassoon
>bass clarinet
>baritone sax
>french horn
>euphonium
>tuba
>double bass

repertoire

>prove me wrong

>>72144869
>he posted best brandenburg and best performance

thank you

>>72145782
>best composer for organ?
why do you even need to ask? bach

>>72145937
Yes ask Bach, he would have said Buxtehude.

>>72145805
Correct https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Wk-WoW7kQ

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Is Ave Maria overrated?

>>72144993
>>72145471
>>72145725
Thanks, I will check these out

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQwQSWTw71U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWo0HgGJtds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6QPYU9Yw-s

>>72144942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYsr5nUrEGQ

>>72146245
stop

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>>72146133
It's not, but it's also not the only good lieder in its cycle --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNuoTSphW-Y
(Linked for "Raste Krieger, Krieg ist aus"
"Jäger, ruhe von der Jagd" is underwhelming.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YueP39GiQJw (Normans Gesang)

Also, legs > feet.

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>>72146536
Sawasawa is so aesthetic I can't handle it.

>>72145863
>baritone sax
https://w1r3.net/tnTcmn.mp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9RT2nHD6CQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DFsF_0tfiM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P73Z6291Pt8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9rZjlsyYY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx6-Z0nsWnw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSO8Z6YmZtY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_hOR50u7ek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRwhkBAeheM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-yox3vXF28

Can anyone remind what piece this is? I'm pretty sure its Schubert.

https://onlinesequencer.net/454663

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https://youtu.be/KNKXik-jJO8
>tfw there is still no anime based on the book of Judith

>>72146754
Nice memes you got there senpai.

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>>72146754
>Toccata and Fugue in D Minor (Best Version Ever)

>>72147339
It's not mine. That organ sounds great though.

>>72145725
Of course you'd like it. The 3rd movement is...
variations on Pachelbel's canon.

>>72147393
As far as I know, only the harmonic construct is the same, but it sounds indeed very similar to it and that's not a bad thing imo


His other organ concertos are also very enjoyable, I just like the idea of the melody played by an organ on manual only
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdaLroTP-V8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfKiLGHqTsg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAiUa02hkr0

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Concerto for two pianos, Poulenc --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V87wGyfUQiQ

Bach x Mahler --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2XC2tZGLmQ

>>72147762
He even manages to fuck up Bach.

>>72147849
Sounds pretty cool desu

>>72147849
I don't know anything about "fuck up." If Mahler is good at one thing, he's good at orchestration.

Honest thoughts on Holst's Planets?

>>72139229
Fuck this nigger, can't even do micro tonality right

Ravel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS0i9aCGclc

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>>72143367
Nice

I like Celi and all but his Brahms is unrecognizable.

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>>72133331
Is that a reference to Gogol's use of metafiction?

If so that's a pretty shitty execution, why are composers such fucking hacks these days?

Hitler was fucking right, Jews are fucking filthy creatures

>>72148280
he's actually decently speedy in the earlier recordings on DG.

his Brahms is interesting, though perhaps not top drawer. of course, the main appeal is his balancing and accents, which are quite unique.

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>>72110335
>No Satie

>>72148207
it good

>>72148359
I'm listening to the EMI recording, the finale is still very good though.

>>72148359
What's a top drawer record of the first?

Liszt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFzzPYfwsiA

>>72148207
A Wagner & Stravinsky rip-off. The English can't into music.

>>72148411
>muh champion of the common man

>>72148448
not the biggest fan of a lot of his EMI ones, even if he produces a delicious sound

>>72148532
personally my favorite is probably one of Stokowski's, with perhaps the LSO live recording being the best among them. though i could pick and choose from a lot; Furtwangler's 2 late recordings, Dorati, Boult, Mengelberg, Beinum, Klemperer, etc. etc.

Abendroth's live recording is pretty good too, but frankly the orchestra just barely manages to keep up with his extreme rubato in the finale.

i've been trying to find a HIP recording that i can get satisfied with, but none of them conduct it in the way that i like, even if their smaller orchestras and gut strings produce a delicious noise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu_MgE_kTs4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huLJ2Q95B7c

>>72148813
>Stravinsky rip-off
Well the English are apparently good at time travel. You should work better on your idiot put downs.

Le temps mode d'emploi, Philippe Manoury --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_5OiYgWNcw

(Please post something from this decade /classical/.)

>>72149020
>The Planets
>written between 1914 and 1916
>The Firebird
>written in 1910

Why did /comp/ have to die?
I loved the theory streams

>>72149023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yTDux4nrAA

>>72149267
Fuck you're a time traveler too anon? I'm so glad I get to live my fantasy of being a 17th century court musician

>>72149267
>>72149293
Very funny, you cheeky faggots.

Is there any advantage at all to having small fingers as a pianist or is it just all shit?

>>72149768
It doesn't matter

>>72149768
As long as you can span an octave you're good

WHERE'S THE NEW THRAD?

>>72149898
The new triad?

>>72149898

>>72150076