ITT: God-tier jazz albums

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fusion sucks

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>>72048992
this

>>72048957
>turn off your mind, relax and float downstream

what did miles mean by this?

>>72048957
http://www.scaruffi.com/jazz/best100.html

>>72048957
https://rateyourmusic.com/collection/jazzthreadguy/reviews,ss.rd

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>>72048992
No it doesn't
it's good.
Kind of blue is good too tho.
Portico Quartet is good af

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>>72048957
GOAT

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the actual most essential jazz album

>>72048957
ITT: every top 10 jazz list

>>72049236
holy shit this

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>>72048992
Wrong.

>>72050301
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>>72051131
>ask for favorites
>people list highly rated albums
Who'd've thunk it.

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Just for Equinox, my favorite song.

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No love for Chic?

>>72051769
>k

well, this thread proves that mu doesn't listen to jazz

>>72049411
bad taste desu

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this is pretty good

>>72052906
first good album of the thread that you dont get when you google good jazz albums. well done.

>>72050482
my nigga

>>72050301
just reminding the weebs that this record isnt just good because its from sunrise land. really an unremarkable record. idk why it pops up on here so much. nothing compared to Poo-Sun by masabumi kikuchi if were gonna talk about japanese fusion records

>>72052988
nip jazz is pretty horrid, it rarely swings and is never in the pocket.

>>72053004
they do well in certain contexts but straight ahead jazz isnt really it. theres a few guys i can think of that are pretty killin at free or fusion but masabumi kikuchi is by far my favorite musician that fat man and little boy ever produced. hes really incredible. whites cant swing the way blacks can, nips cant swing like whites can, and the europeans dont even try.

>>72052988
It reminds me of Gran Turismo menu music.

>>72053050
idk what gran turismo menu music is and idk what ur saying sounds like it. i really dont care either way. i have to go back to learning a wilbur ware solo.

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>>72053071
k

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since fusion counts

>>72053050
Gran Turismo had some of the greatest soundtracks out there

>>72053071
it's all japanese post-bop and some easy-listening jazz. Great stuff all aroudn

>>72051889
How about you post an album instead of whining?

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>>72053128
cool thanks

>>72053125

>there's only two Electric Masada releases

Come on, you little shit. I know you have more.

/mu/ sucks at jazz, that's a pretty cringey thread desu

Post some ways you know a jazz album is going to be terrible.

Mine:
>Eric Dolphy plays on it
>it's on ecm label
>it's on criss cross label

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does anyone have the aki takase/david murray duo album? or any recommendations for new releases?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83iDJ2fNGPs


amazing drumming

>>72053519
if you actually know anything about jazz you'd actually contribute

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>>72048992
>

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>all these people complaining about the classics getting posted
They're classics for a reason. Start a thread for good obscure albums if you don't wanna see the essentials crop up.

>>72051689
He does have a point in that one could just google for top lists.

>>72054384
When people post classics, there is sometimes genuine and thoughtful discussion of them though. It is kind of uninteresting talking to someone who doesn't "get" A Love Supreme or Kind of Blue for the umpteenth time, but there's other well known albums ITT which aren't quite as discussed to death.

>>72054445
You can google those explanations as well, and get much better stuff than here on /mu/.
What we need is a Quality Anti-Top Jazz Album chart, where we start with all the great albums we know and then remove all the commonly listed ones. A list of good shit free from all the shit that no longer has to be listed.

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Anybody heard this yet?
Thoughts?

>>72051446
Lamao

>>72054479
>You can google those explanations as well, and get much better stuff than here on /mu/.
True, but discussing albums and giving a personal perspective is kinda the fun of discussing music somewhere like this.
Discussing an album with another person in real time is more satisfying than reading an academic dissertation.

That was kinda the advantage to /blindfold/. People posted obscure tracks and got people talking about stuff that never would have been discussed otherwise.
>A list of good shit free from all the shit that no longer has to be listed.
This would be class to see though, just to see the sort of albums that get posted. There are a couple of people on here with phenomenal taste who know a lot of great records off the beaten track.

>>72054638
Be careful my guy, you'll get roasted by contrarians piece of trash expecting you to post some estonian unknown free-jazz on a "God-tier Jazz" thread

requesting some estonian unknown free-jazz

>>72054638
This is my favourite Duke Ellington record even though from a semi-objective standpoint, it's kinda bad. I just love how human it is...listening to it in chronological order as it's presented in the Blue note reissue is an experience.
You can sort of trace out the troubled nature of the sessions by the playing. There's some brilliant music on there too, but even the outright bad tracks like A Little Max feel part of the story of the record and by the time I get around Caravan and Money Jungle, I'm always just really invested in the frustrations they were all feeling.

>>72054607
I'm not gonna help or get anything started tonights though, I'm all used up for the day, if not the whole weekend.

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one of the best post-bop albums I've ever heard

>>72054821
Putting it on right now, sounds promising.

>>72054505
I haven't heard it myself but apparently jtg didn't like it too much

>>72055044
Love this and I think Nefertiti is by far the better album

>>72048957
>jazz
>on this shit-tier board
leave and never come back. you've gone farther than this board. they will only drag you down to their level (i.e. Radiohead)

>>72055084
you can love jazz and radiohead. all kinds of music discussion happens here. And it's not like your taste is getting any worse being here lol

>>72055084
>/jazz/
>A part of /mu/

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>>72054673
but it's not even a good record. mostly what >>72054740 said but not endearing at all.
Maybe it wouldn't call it a "bad album" but when you consider its a trio of three greatest artists ever, its very mediocre

>>72055292
As my post implies, I'm kinda biased because of how much extra-musical context I'm thinking of when I hear these tracks, but even without all that, I still think some of the better tracks like Money Jungle or African Flower would be some of the most creative and emotionally powerful music these guys or anyone else for that matter ever played.

>>72049678
You spelled "Eurotrash" wrong.

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can't believe no one posted this

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Probably my favorite jazz record to come out in the last 20 years.

>>72053542
>Eric Dolphy plays on it
This is how i tell a jazz album is going to be God-tier

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I feel bad for the people who never listened to this record.

>>72053542
None of those. For me doe:
>Pharoah Sanders is session leader
>80s or 90s fusion
>organ
>modern fusion spammed by non-jazz fans /mu/
>Free jazz spammed by non-jazz fans on /mu/

>>72053542
>when im listening to eric dolphy right now
suck on that

>>72056682
I'm with you except for
>organ

How can you not get down for some Jimmy Smith, Larry Young, or Dr. Lonnie?

>>72056883
The timbre of the thing in general is kinda a turnoff but the way it's played in jazz has a lot to do with my dislike too. I've heard a lot of cheesy poor quality hard bop records with badly done organ. Often with rampant abuse of long held notes over annoyingly basic harmony. I've heard more fusion stuff I've enjoyed than say, hard or post bop, but otherwise, I think it works way better in art music.
There was a /blindfold/ themed around organ where I enjoyed one or two of the tracks, but nothing enough to interest me in hearing the rest of the records and most of the rest were meh-bad.

>>72056682
>80s fusion

I beg to differ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpNxl1-W1IA

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amazing album

>>72057194
This sounds like a smooth jazz band trying to imitate how Yes plays fusion. That said, I like how Yes play fusion and this isn't bad.
Not enough to convince me that the 80s were a good time for fusion though.

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>tfw Tony went with the fusionists

>>72050482
Das my nigga

>>72057355
they definitely weren't a good time for fusion, I was just posting one of the exceptions. give the rest of the album a shot, it's pretty interesting

>>72050482
Would you believe me if I told you this was recorded in a day?

>>72057498
Yeah, I think most of those indicators come with exceptions. I love pic related and I can think of a few exceptions to those other ones too. They're just indicative of records I don't think I'll like.

>>72053542
>Eric Dolphy plays on it
Can't think of a single album he plays on that isn't God-tier
>it's on ecm label
The vast majority of their stuff is bland but there are some god-tier albums on ECM
>it's on criss cross label
Same thing. Some boring shit but also some amazing albums

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good music
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not so much

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>>72058383
Who is this newtrip?

WHAT? NO WAYNE SHORTER?????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soJvqZHSHxk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pw_eWMOGJU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvRkGglLe-U

>>72051446
underrated

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This is a masterpiece.
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/dewan-motihar-trio-irene-schweizer-trio-manfred-schoof-barney-wilen/jazz-meets-india/

>>72058383
Hey there purist!

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>>72048957
>no Hot Rats

It;s like the jazzrock fags aren't even here

>>72059183
We're here, we're just lurking and listening to Soft Machine.

>>72057482
Depressing that this will go down as one of the most unrecognized introductions to all of Jazz-Fusion, it's a great album, and Jaco's a revolutionary

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underrated

>>72057243
this is one of the worst fucking albums I've every listened to and even the band can't play this shit anymore in their old age because they realize how shit it was. never post this again. or that dumb as fuck goblin album that opeth referenced in that interview.

>>72059492
enjoy one of the actual decent prog fusion bands though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-6YG5uV7ic

>>72059492
also top tier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o301OyzvlPk

>>72055764
not jazz

>>72059733
Hey there purist #2!

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>>72058383
give me a (you)

>>72059742
it really isnt jazz though

>>72059167
well, i like jazz. youre not wrong.
>>72059775
(you) for braxton, barry, and dave in the 70s. also early early chick before he began to bow to lord Zenu.

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>>72048992
1st post and someone outs themselves as a fucking nerd

>>72060020
Why does the guy in the foreground remind me of Jontron?

>>72060044
holy shit cannot be unseen!

>>72059492
I never listen to the full album, some tracks are definitely unlistenable. Really it's just for these two which are amazing songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3s3dne0d8Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ69-99wu4g

>>72059608
that guitar solo was pretty sad even for 1970. enjoyed the rest

>>72058383
>things I personally like
>things I don't like

fixed. now fuck off.

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>>72058383
>being this kind of anon
even cigarettes want you to die

>>72053004
nip music in general is horrid

>>72058383
I think you got those the wrong way around friend!

>>72050444
do you know any more jazz like 'Better Git It in Your Soul' ?

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aotysf

>>72058383
Why even bother posting this useless attention bait.

>>72050444
has Goodbye Pork Pie Hat, the greatest jazz song of all time, and possibly greatest song of all time.

>>72053542
>Eric Dolphy plays on it

holy shit this might be the worst opinion ive seen on /mu/, dolphy is a GOAT

>>72053542
Derek Bailey plays on it.

>>72063108
seeing Stanko live tomorrow
aww yis

>>72059146
Holy fuck yes, this shit is amazing. European jazz from the 60s was so good.

The rhythm section from that session went on to form Guru Guru, a pretty good krautrock band. Their album "Dance of the Flames" is a very nice Mahavishnu Orchestra rip off.

>>72056682
Hey there, purist #3! Quit a lot of you around here, aye?

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>>72063380
>Holy fuck yes, this shit is amazing. European jazz from the 60s was so good.
When someone tells you that free jazz is just noise and unlistenable, show them this album. Here's another great album and in fact a first jazz fusion album.

>>72063297
>Derek Bailey plays on it.
I can only agree with this. I understand deconstructionism and dadaism, but his playing is so chaotic and disjointed I can't appreciate him as a guitar player.

>>72063498
>he's not a rockist, so he must be a purist!

>>72057234
my man

>>72063582
>he's not a rockist, so he must be a purist!
All right then, tell us all what's wrong with introducing more people to jazz, free jazz and jazz fusion. Surely *deletes* and Grimes and other waifu-threads are what we need more of.

>>72063668
There's nothing wrong with it. Listen to whatever you want, fag. I find /mu/ proper cares more about style than substance and/or listens to boringly simple and shallow music.
If you feel like spreading the gospel of Pharaoh Sanders and BBNG, plz, feel free though. I won't stop you.

>>72063785
>BBNG
Why would I do that? They cross the realm of hip-hop and I don't enjoy that. I don't think there's anything wrong with jazz fusion, that's all.

>>72063852
fuck you purist

>>72063852
>I don't think there's anything wrong with jazz fusion
>fuck you purist
What?

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truly the best jap jazz album

>>72063852
Yeah, neither do I. I dislike the cheesy 80s and 90s pop crossover/synth driven fusion that birthed smooth jazz. I think it's a pathetic successor to the sort of ground breaking and intense albums that were coming out in the early days of fusion like Bitches Brew or Emergency. Back when it was more like an alternative to free jazz than a commercial enterprise.
It's gotten better in some circles in recent years, but /mu/ approved fusion like bbng, is not good.

>>72063990
>It's gotten better in some circles in recent years, but /mu/ approved fusion like bbng, is not good.
I'm not aware of great modern jazz fusion albums, but I always try to recommend Allan Holdsworth, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Sun Ra, Weather Report, etc. wherever and whenever I can. Could you recommend some newer jazz fusion albums you like?

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I feel like I'm the only one who likes this LP

>>72064083
Rudresh Mahanthappa - Gamak
A lot of Dave Holland's recent stuff. Aziza was one of my favourite albums last year.
Wadada Leo Smith can be a bit hit and miss but when he's good, it's great. His playing takes a lot from early 70s Miles too which pushes a lot of my buttons too, but it's often just jams which can be a bit messy and aimless at times. Ten Freedom Summers is a great record, albeit a little overambitious.

They're some pretty straight fusion records, but often where the best fusion music is played, ends up being in ensembles that aren't explicitly playing fusion. People like Chris Potter regularly play post bop with ideas endemic to fusion. Something like Follow the Red Line isn't a fusion record, but there's strong flavours of it there. I think that's a little more what I mean when I say fusion has gotten better. More like, it's found a nice place in modern jazz.

>>72064083
Not that anon, but personally I'd recommend
>Xing Sa - Création de l'Univers
>Sing Sing Penelope & Andrzej Przybielski - Stirli People in Jazzga

>>72050301
Why does everyone hate on this album? It isn't amazing and it's definitely overhyped, but it's a solid record.

>>72053238
Peace on Earth is the best thing Coltrane has ever done imo

>>72058383
>He dislikes The Epic, Headhunters, and Scenery
worst trip in a long time

>>72066625
>The Epic
I too started listening to jazz just yesterday

>>72052827
this sounds great, thanks
>>72064114
fantastic album

>>72058383
VERY fast coltrane moving at incredible hihg speed

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Does anyone here like Louis Moholo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGwai8rtYpw

>>72050374

This is one of my favorite albums ever

>>72068353
my dude i didnt think anyone else here had even heard of him

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This.

(
Also these two songs from Sylva

>The Curtain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S3gNEB-Gws&list=PLdZ0Nx1BM9EB2ElNOnUEtuvBNDDeynIL5&index=2

>Gretel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVOnMkIPQwg&list=PLdZ0Nx1BM9EB2ElNOnUEtuvBNDDeynIL5&index=3
)

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>>72061959
yeah im okay with that. it is my personal taste. >>72062424
>not being an anon
>heavy smoking habit
>>72063005
not so much amigo
>>72063181
cause i like the albums i said are good and dont like the ones i said are bad. why respond to it?
>>72063642
thanks, tonys the man. gary peacock and sam rivers are also the men.
>>72064114
i love it. check out coltrane quartet plays and sun ship too.
>>72065685
i cant say anything trane did after 64 is better then any other thing he did after 64. but yeah, peace on earth is beautiful.
>>72066625
scenery and the epic are just not good man, everyone outside of mu agrees. derivative and lacking in ability. head hunters isnt a bad album, i just dont like it, especially compared to other fusion from around then, specifically miles band from 73 to 75.
>>72067184
HA!
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>>72065636
woooo these are some good shit, cats.

>>72069064
>everyone outside of mu agrees
Kamasi is legit playing my local concert hall soon. Somebody else is listening to him, cause I doubt all the people going to that are gonna be /mu/tants.

>>72069105
sick burn m8

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>>72069105
hes basically a pop star, dudes just not a good jazz player. his arrangements are just soul jazz rip offs from the 70s, like houston person but way worse. his soloing is really what ruins it, the guy cant even blow his nose. this is a far superior album from the same year if your interested.

>>72048957
Steve Harris & Zaum - Above Our Heads the Sky Splits Open
Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam
Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus
Alice Coltrane - Journey in Satchinananda
Last Exit - Köln
The Ganelin Trio - Ancora Da Capo
Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch!
Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage
Duke Ellington at Fargo 1940
Count Basie & his Orchestra - Breakfast, Dance & Barbecue
Frank Sinatra - Live at the Sands
Jazz at the Santa Monica Civic '72
Lou Reed's backing band is pretty fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ztvh-93nJA

>>72069225
The fuck are you talking about?
>>72069229
I'll give it a look. I'm kinda swamped with stuff to listen to atm, but Zooid is a cool name for a jazz band and I don't think I've heard anything done on pi recordings before. They've got some guys I like though, will have to check out some of their catalog.

John Coltrane - Africa/Brass
p underrated, never see anybody talking about it

>>72063024
He was asked to write a tune in a similar style to Better Git; check out 'Slop' from Mingus Dynasty.

It's like the title, raw and soulful af.