Which one is better and why is it TPAB

TPAB is great because it inspired David Bowie on blackstar.

>>72024324
TPAB is probably the best hiphop album of all time

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>kanye
>good

When will this meme end

>fuck white people the album is the best

TPAB is really great.
Not too sure about his new album, though.

>>72024324
Anyone saying that TPAB is better is a memester. MBDTF is a masterpiece.

MBDTF: 10
TPAB: 7

>muh memerap

>>72024413
>fuck poor people (and anyone that isn't me) the album is the best

>>72024445
Childhood is when you idolize MBDTF. Adulthood is when you realize TPAB makes more sense.

MBDTF is way too shallow to be better than TPAB

>>72024362
>>72024388
>>72024435
>>72024492
there are people in this world that actually think this?

>>72024514
Yes, they are called intelligent people who have good music taste

>>72024536
you meant redditors, right? Kanye is infinitely more talented and innovative than Kendrick.

>>72024557
Innovative sure, talented maybe, but he sure doesn't show it on his albums. Kanye has made good albums but both GKMC and TPAB are better than anything by Kanye

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>>72024557

How come Kanye hasn't released anything good for over 5 years tho whilst Kendrick's dropping fire

>>72024600
>>72024615
back to /r/hiphopheads

>>72024623
>m-muh reddit is his only valid criticisim

Back to middle school with you

>>72024623

Class act.

>>72024445
is MBDTF just a meme?
like has anyone actually listened to it
runaway is the only good song
college dropout and late registration are better

>>72024324
is this even a question?
obviously MBDTF

>>72024324
nice bait

>>72024718
you are retarded desu

>>72024600
idk bout that, just mbdtf is like
not good

>>72024324
MBDTF is more important, TPAB is better musically

I don't really like either tbqh

>>72024727
How is Kill all white people: the album better than MBDTF?

>>72024694
>runaway is the only good song
You spelled Devil in a New Dress wrong

>>72024746
please can someone explain to me why mbdtf is considered good? i feel like you dont even listen to it

IT ISNT GOOD
CD AND LR ARE BETTER
THIS DOESNT MAKE SENSE

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>>72024746
>Too dumb to even understand TPAB
>Thinks his opinions about hip-hop matter

>>72024766
>>72024777
just answer my question

>>72024746
>says album that has literally 0 lines about black over white is "kill whitey"
>praises the album that literally has a black man fucking a white woman on it's cover

I don't understand cucks these days

>>72024766
It pushed the envelope for hip-hop and attempted to elevate it to a higher art, incorporating longer and more complex song structures, ornate arrangements, self-aware lyrics and a general higher level of artistry than you would typically see in rap music. It's basically post hip-hop.

That said, being innovative doesn't necessarily equate to being good. I agree that it's a pretty mediocre album and Late Registration is much better.

>>72024324
>muh jazz rap
>muh racism
vs
masterpiece

>>72024818
thank you
honestly first time someone responded without the normal
>it kanye retard it best album of all time

>>72024799
well for one tpab isnt about killing whites at all
next mbdtf is musically shit

>>72024872
how is it musically shit?

>>72024615
how abt b4 the 5 years when kanye done did fucked the industry multiple times lmao nikka dont talk when u dont walk

>>72024872
it
sounds
bad

the
music
hurts
my
ears

>>72024900
Looks like top 40 pop is more up your alley

>>72024900
explain to me how kanye going
"aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
sounds good

its only me but i much prefer mbdtf than the we wuz dindu all whiteys fault album

>>72024994
everyone with a brain does

>>72025042
>>72024994
>>72024746
>>72024489
>>72024413

literally every single mbdtf tard's only reason for their shit opinion is that tpab is about killing whites when it isnt

TPAB: 10/10
MBDTF: 11/10

>>72024882
mbdtf is also mixed like shit
the quality fucking sucks and it isnt on purpose except for that monster sample
which doesnt add anything to the song by the way

>>72025074
Ye they're just following the meme and haven't actually given the full album a listen to. This thread attracts people who think mbdtf was Kanye's best so retards will be retards.

>>72025042
I'm not saying that tpab is a bad album but I don't get how its praise as a modern masterpiece, yes its the better hip-hop album right now but I don't get how its like the wonder of hip-hop. Honestly and I know I'm going to get bash for this but I feel Danny's latest album is much better than Kendrick's.

>>72025074
listen to TBTB

>>72025132
"I AM THE BIGGEST HYPOCRITE OF 2015"

>>72025132
>song criticising black-on-black violence and calling out his own hypocrisy and by extension the hypocrisy of the entire BLM movement
>kill whitey

>>72024514
Yeah, raptards in general are either under 16 or brain damaged.

>>72025200
Are you sure thats the context?

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Pablo is better than both of these albums.

And this album is better than all those albums put together.

>>72024324
MBDTF is better by far.

>>72025280
lol

Too different to ever compare imo.

I can agree if someone would compare TPAB with CD, since they have tons of similarities (conscious, sample a not much used in the mainstream black genre), but MBDTF is braggy as fuck and it wears it on its sleeve, and even manages to elevate this bragging to something higher, even throwing some selfawareness in.

Meanwhile TPAB is too consumed in its concept and message to care about providing an awesome listening experience throughout. All in all, MBDTF is a better art piece, aesthetically.

>>72024492

It's literally the other way around.

mbdtf is more varied and more interesting sounding imo

i just really can't get into k. dot for some reason idk, his album is probably more 'important' even if it'll be dated within a decade or so.

>>72024362
>>72024514
It is straight up documented that Bowies biggest influences on Blackstar were Kendrick and Death Grips. That is not a meme it's a fact. He said it himself

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>>72024409
Never my dude, he's this generation's closest thing to Einstein.

>>72025679
wtf i think its real now

>one butthurt Kendrick stan samefagging through the whole thread
Power alone shits on TPAB

>>72025679
When did Bowie start rapping about the plight of the blacks at the hand of the white man, and thegeneral social commentary.

All the goofy esoteric spooky lyrics can probably be credited to DG.

I'm just asking for a genealogy of Blackstar's music inspiration.

>>72025679
Blackstar is amateur "music" that most amateurs would be ashamed to release. Not surprised it was inspired by TPAB.

good kid, m.a.a.d city is better than to pimp a butterfly.

/thread

>>72024362

So that why blackstar is such a piece of shit album

Kendrick Duckworth Lamar is every conceivable old-school and contemporary hip-hop trope blended together in a ham-fisted way and repackaged for a braindead modern audience.

>>72025074
I wish it was so every kanye stan alibaba yeezy wearing thin lipped 14 year old sunburned suburban cracker retarded enough to think that would get killed

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>>72024324
MBDTAF explores more interesting and universal thematic archetypes. It can be transcendental at times.

TPAB is much more clearly a set of musings by an artist. It is much more easily deconstructed.

Kanye is Nietzschean while Kendrick is Hegelian. Of the 2 only MBDTF strives, TPAB just synthesizes with the racist ->antiracist -> synthesized-racism dialectic.

>>72025812
/thread

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>>72025874
>Kanye is Nietzschean
>this is supposed to be a compliment
>mfw

Your make strange faces.

It's not necessarily a compliment but an observation. I find most people that react this way to Nietzsche have never read or tried to analyze his work.

i swear to god all of you kanye stans are complete retards

>>72025874
>I just learned these new words: The post

dude said MBDTF was transcendental ahahah

>>72025936
>I find most people that react this way to Nietzsche have never read or tried to analyze his work.
so do most of the people who claim to like him

>>72025966
>I'm assblasted and have no argument

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>too retarded to comprehend what kanye did in MBDTF
>oh well kendrick lyrics sound more complex that means the album must be better

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>album that literally redefined the genre of hip-hop
>album about muh black lives and kill white people

Gee, what do you think, OP?

>>72026037
>Album that literally redefined the genre of hip hop
>Carries 0 influence to any hip hop that came out after

Really makes you think

I'm so sick of this narrative being pushed by clueless anons who got their opinions from critics. How did MBDTF "redefine" hip hop anon?

>>72026037
I didn't get into Kanye at times of MBDTF, so can you provide any examples/albums of MBDTF influence, besides corny stuff like Khaled?

If anything, 808 is seen as a much more impactful album, hell, even Graduation moved pop rap into the spotlight, MBDTF is a great record, but I won't call it that influential

>>72026049
because they've never heard a hip hop album that puts as much effort into the instrumentals as it does the lyrics in their life before

>>72026058
Anything Madlib

>>72026058
If I'm interpretating what you're saying right, it's something I see a lot on this board and elsewhere

"I used to just listen to prog metal, but then I listened to MBDTF because of it's critical acclaim and it changed everything..."

I've listened to hip hop since I was a kid so I never got the hype. A good album, no doubt, but massively overrated.

>>72026033
so much this

>>72026007
>Hurr durr instead of arguing with the guy who made a claim I'll just tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about
If you don't see why a Nietzsche - Hegel comparison is a coherent and meaningful thing to do you haven't read Nietzsche.

Kanye's music exemplifies a strong individual will trying to make a mark on the world, kendrick is trying to assert idealistic moral truths.

Read the Gay Science, and Twilight of the Idols

ok bitch nigga

>>72026112
>There will always be people butt-blasted by Nietzsche
>Expressing philosophical ideas will always be met with accusations of pseudo-intellectualism

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obviously people who dont like mbdtf come from reddit
theres a reason that its /mu/core

>It's 2017
There are people who still don't know that all music ALL OF IT, is just artists sniffing their own farts.

>>72026133
A skinny fist should be holding the banana.

>>72025874

>MBDTAF explores more interesting and universal thematic archetypes. It can be transcendental at times.

>TPAB is much more clearly a set of musings by an artist. It is much more easily deconstructed.

other way around actually

>Kanye is Nietzschean while Kendrick is Hegelian

you're not smart for namedropping philosophers literally anyone with a basic interest in philosophy knows about

>>72026133
I like it but calling people who don't like it reddit is pretty ironic since reddit just voted on their favourite hip hop album and guess what won. Yeah, exactly.

http://challonge.com/MusicSurvivorHipHopMarchMadness

>>72026033

>>too retarded to comprehend what kanye did in MBDTF

what did he do?

>>72026170
used pianos, guitars and sampled king crimson.

10/10

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>>72026167
Kanyefags BTFO

>>72024615
Humble is derivative and mediocre

you literally can't be over 12 and liking hip-hop music
if you do, you're probably autistic

>>72026238

yeah because no hip-hop album ever used pianos, guitars or samples before Kanye.

>>72024324
The one that people actually listened to the whole way through.

>>72026335
so mbdtf?

>>72026343
Yup. TPAB gets boring by the time King Kunta comes on. Everything else is an exercise of patience.

>>72024492
Childhood of wannabe black suburban white retards.

>>72024818
>self-aware lyrics
Muh money, muh fame, muh bitches, my sex, muh im a god, muh feefees

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>>72026150
like this?

>>72026357
this

>>72026757
t. never got past first 2 tracks to witness the real greatness that is everything past Institutionalized and especially a great 3streak of How Much A Dollar Cost - Complexion - The Blacker The Berry

>>72024362
>>72025679
sauce or stfu

>>72026880
>The Blacker The Berry
>good

Fuck off with your shilling

>>72026292
I'll count that as a vote for TPAB

>>72027000
http://pitchfork.com/news/62236-david-bowies-new-album-features-james-murphy-was-inspired-by-kendrick-lamar/
>inb4 hate on pitchfork

>>72026112

Your understanding of Nietzsche and especially Hegel is freshmen level at best.

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this is the best hip hop album

>>72028503
even that's a bit generous

I pick dark fantasy for a couple of reasons.
First of all I can relate to dark fantasy significantly more than TPAB partially because I'm not black (not white though).

Secondly, I think dark fantasy sounds great, amazing production. I just love the epic sound it gives with piano/string-instruments and the electric autotune sound.

With that being said I can't say MBDTF is better made than TPAB, only that it provokes me more.

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rap fell on my tounge

>>72024324
They're both shit

>>72029351
>i only listen to hiphop for men

why can't someone enjoy both?

>>72026133
>theres a reason that its /mu/core
Yeah, because it got spammed 24/7 after Pitchfork gave it a 10. No one really cared about Kanye before that

/mu/core is ITAOTS, Loveless, OKC, Kid A, ITCOTCK and MPP. MBDTF is /nu/core

>>72029417
because you're a faggot

>>72028781
>First of all I can relate to dark fantasy
Lol
How

>>72030180
>more than TPAB

you fucking retard

>>72029570
this but unironically