Should music critics be put in gas chambers and hit with the zyklon B?

Everyone but scaruffi

>>71994244

I'd reckon they already have, OP.

>>71994265
this. he's too quotable to lose.

>>71994244
No, that's far too humane for music critics

I was reading some of his 80s columns, and fucking cripes, every other column from that period has some whining about Ronald Reagan in it. It gets to the point of clinical autism. Example:

>I'm ridiculously far behind on ACN, but can't let another month go by without mentioning the Ramones' "Bonzo Goes to Bitburg" (Beggars Banquet import 12-inch), far from the first Ramones' single with good politics but possibly the first with a bridge. Why hasn't Sire Records released this record in the States? Wasn't Seymour Stein bothered by Reagan's SS problem, and ours?

>>71994348
the song you're talking about was critical of Ronald Reagan, and was about when he visited a nazi cemetery.

>>71994265
yeah, he's a one-of-a-kind idiot

No one but scaruffi

>>71994244
All of them but Fantano

>>71994731
>>71994348
By the way, if you guys didn't know, that infamous trip to the Bitberg Cemetery was apparently arranged by Pat Buchanan, who was then Reagan's chief of staff and is a known closet Stormfag.

>>71995726
>Pat Buchanan
>closet Stormfag
leave Patty alone

>>71994265
fpbp
Came to the thread just to say this

>>71994348
It was the Village Voice. I think you're actually required to write a certain quota of butthurt about Republicans if you work there. I do agree it's pretty stupid considering most people don't read music reviews to be preached to. Damn, I want to know if this album is any good or not. I don't care about your inane politics.

>>71995836
Yeah they probably figured they could get away with it since their target audience was SJWs.

>>71995836
>>71995892
he was literally reviewing a political song you autists

>>71994265
Scaruffi is very lovable

>>71994731
Actually the Ramones just said they were disappointed in Reagan for visiting Bitberg because they had voted for him and considered themselves proud to be Americans. That was the point of the song. This Christgau column here was doing something totally different, it was complaining they didn't release the single in the US so it could be used to promote leftist butthurt.

Eh, punk rock is only good when a Republican is in the White House. There was no punk of any note during the Clinton and Obama years.

>>71996005
The first wave of punk happened during the Carter years, dum-dum.

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Punk is literally poseurcore: the genre. It set music and culture back by 50 years.
Pic related is a world where punk never existed.

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>>71995967
>they had voted for him and considered themselves proud to be Americans
yep. they were very patriotic and definitely right leaning, johnny being the most out spoken. they were disappointed that he visited the cemetery, not because they were nazis (johnny collected ss shit because it's cool), but because they were enemies of the us. christgau was just backpacking on like their only song that went with his politics.

>>71995967
>>71996055
>Actually the Ramones just said they were disappointed in Reagan for visiting Bitberg because they had voted for him and considered themselves proud to be Americans
Literally only Johnny was a Republican, the others were self-admitted Democrats you dummies.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/Ramones-Marky-Ramone-band-political/2015/01/16/id/619121/

>>71996035
yeah but that was mostly British bands. I mean during the 80s when you had all the guys like the Violent Femmes and REM writing anti-Reagan butthurt songs. Which is just what I said. Punk rock is only good when a Republican is president.

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The pictures libtards dont want you to see

>>71995967
>Actually the Ramones just said they were disappointed in Reagan

... so it was critical of him? Crititcal doesn't mean you hate him

>This Christgau column here was doing something totally different, it was complaining they didn't release the single in the US so it could be used to promote leftist butthurt.

you mean complaining because it was a good song that he thought had a good message, one that transcended political affiliation, since he went to a fucking nazi cemetary.

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>>71996109
>he think sid vicious wasn't just an edgelord

>>71996070
>the others were self-admitted Democrats you dummies
still right leaning you retard. and still patriotic. Joey was Jewish so of course he was gonna be at least liberal. Dee Dee was never really political.

>>71996145
>Discussing the inspiration for the song, Ramones lead singer Joey Ramone, a Jew, explained that the president "sort of shit on everybody."Interviewed in 1986, he said,
>>We had watched Reagan going to visit the SS cemetery on TV and were disgusted. We're all good Americans, but Reagan's thing was like forgive and forget. How can you forget six million people being gassed and roasted?
Can all the projecting Nazis ITT who desperately want their favorite bands to agree with them politically kindly fuck off?

I mean, it doesn't really matter because the Ramones were shit, but still.

Punk music is pure garbage, like even when rock was still popular people kept saying it was dead.
You know a true pleb when they know who the sex pistols are but not public images limited

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsfxMQ9492w

>>71996055
so agreeing with something is now called backpacking? you don't have to agree with 100% of someones politcs to agree with tthem on something, or does politcs have to be completely partisan, never talk to other side now? Not speaking at nazi cemetaries is kind of a bi-partisan issue.

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>>71996169
>punk music is garbage
>links public image ltd

what genre do you think this song is?

>>71996188
New wave/post-punk
:^)

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>>71996134
>when the best bands use far right imagery because its the only way to be edgy in a world were the liberals control the media

>>71996192
>New wave/post-punk
>punk

so are you saying this song is shit too?

>>71996052
shit bait tb h

>>71996161
>Can all the projecting Nazis
le nazi meme. what i was saying was that they were all right leaning, as proven by their disapproval of socialism and communism. i don't care about the political beliefs of the musicians i listen too.
>I mean, it doesn't really matter because the Ramones were shit
lmao dude aight

>>71996195
Too bad Hannett told them to knock that shit off. Didn't stop them being edgy live though.

But yea, keep thinking the "librulls" are controlling the media or something,

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>>71996195
>when the best bands use far right imagery because its the only way to be edgy in a world were the liberals control the media

try not to cut yourself on that edge. also they used far right imagery because most of the fans of underground rock music were liberal, as that audience is generally white, college educated, and young, so they picked the images that would most piss off THAT audience.

Uhhh, I mean, lizard jews, of course!

What's weirder though is that Christgau gave an A to a They Might Be Giants album with an anti-Castro song.

>>71996215
>le nazi meme. what i was saying was that they were all right leaning, as proven by their disapproval of socialism and communism.
1. "Hurr durr centre-leftism doesn't exist, what is social democracy." t. (You)
I don't even agree with socdems at all, but to ignore their existence is nothing short of retardation.
Also, you, or some other retard ITT, explicitly said:
>they were disappointed that he visited the cemetery, not because they were nazis (johnny collected ss shit because it's cool), but because they were enemies of the us.
implying that they were fine with Nazis. They fucking weren't.

>>71996215
>as proven by their disapproval of socialism and communism

the left isn't just socialism and communism, most of the Ramones were classical liberals

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>>71996227
The left controls pop culture and if you are openly rightwing they black list you, right wing artists either hide in the shadows or actually have to be for real real indie music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia0CUR160Vc

>>71996263
>most of the Ramones were classical liberals
I mean, classical liberalism is right-wing, but social democracy is a thing.
>>71996247
B+, and the song isn't even anti-Castro, he just remarks that it could be construed as anti-Castro. Also, what surprises you? He's not a communist or a leftist, he's a liberal.

Lemmy was a self-described libertarian anarchist and fedora, but he was also a super-patriotic guy with an encyclopedic knowledge of British history.

Why does discussion of punk rock always have to turn into a horrible shitposting mess?

>>71996273
>controls

everything right wing people don't like is "controlled", you ever consider that the industry is mostly liberal and that people tend to not like associating with people who have different politics than them (not that thats right, its just human nature). Right wing artists tend to not work with the industry anyways since they disagree with THEIR politics

>>71996255
>social democracy
have fun with your memes dude, but you know that's not what he meant. he was a jimmy carter democrat.
>implying that they were fine with Nazis. They fucking weren't.
that's not what i was saying. i was saying that what they all agreed that the cemetery thing was fucked up for more than just the nazi thing. johnny liked to stormfag larp and made fun of joey for being jewish. joey was sad about muh 6 gorrilion. what they all met in the middle was that the cemetery visit was fucked up. if they didn't they wouldn't have played the song.

>>71996273
>right wing artists either hide in the shadows

That is true. But even they can black list you by means of extortion or blackmail by leaking their views.

>>71996295
>I mean, classical liberalism is right-wing

vaguely, it's more a centrist attitude than anything

>>71996195
>>71996227
>>71996243
>>71996273
Careful not to cut yourself on that edge. Joy Division used Nazi imagery because their name was literally taken from a book about Nazi concentration camps — specifically, how concentration camps would have "Joy Divisions" of Jewish sex slaves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Dolls
Also
>the left control pop culture
top fucking kek, the status quo is center-right to far-right.

>>71996390
Yes, center-right.

>>71996385
I'm a part of what some people call the "alt-right" and it feels punk as fuck. It feels like an actual counter culture, or rebellion against the PC culture that dominates American colleges.

>>71996390
>it's more a centrist
it's pretty economically right wing. it's basically where the libertarian party is.

>>71996412
>Yes, center-right.
I'd say this is more a modern day thing though, back under reagen I think calling yourself a classical liberal was much more a solidly centrist thing. I do agree though, my point is that center right isn't really "right-wing" and definetly isnt what people mean when they say right-wing

>>71995726
>paleocon = nazi

>>71996448
The status quo has been steadily shifting further and further to the right. But, yeah, as >>71996420 said, it's essentially economically right-wing. It's all about that free market deregulation. Reagan and Thatcher were neoliberals, so basically reinstating classical liberal policies. You can see how the status quo is getting further and further right by the fact that the Democratic Party, which is supposedly the "left-wing" party, is now adopting these neoliberal policies.

>>71996420
yah but also pro-globalism, pro-equality, and has lots of socially liberal ideas, and its not like full blown libertarianism economically. The whole thing evens out pretty centrist if albeit slightly on the right side

>>71996481
when i refer to right and left i only talk about economics. social stuff is generally what i refer to as libertarian vs authoritarian.

>>71996338
>you ever consider that the industry is mostly liberal and that people tend to not like associating with people who have different politics than them

When you only hang around people of identical beliefs, it turns into a circlejerk that makes your own beliefs steadily more extreme. Having a diversity of opinions is necessary for a healthy outlook on the world.

>>71996338
That's not it. Today's left are literal fascists who want to suppress any dissenting opinion. It used to be if you were a liberal, you'd say "I disagree with you but I defend your right to express your beliefs."

>>71996481
>pro-globalism
That's not a left-wing thing, at all. Global capitalism is literally an inherently right-wing thing.
>pro-equality
Capitalism is fundamentally a non-equal hierarchy lul.

>>71996854
Careful with that edge, bud. Liberals aren't leftists, number one, and if you're talking about antifa assaulting literal fascists, then that doesn't make them fascists.

>>71996908
>if you're talking about antifa assaulting literal fascists, then that doesn't make them fascists
lmao nigga

>>71996195
I've heard it was to piss of their parents who were world war 2 vets

>>71996931
>Oh shit I beat up a pedophile and now I'm suddenly attracted to kids.
t. (You)

>>71996854
>literal facists

???

>>71996955
fucking lmao dude. how about not assaulting people for their political ideologies or their speech? unless it is a direct threat, your the faggot.

>>71997016
Nazism is a direct threat against Jews, Muslims, blacks, and people who disagree with Nazism, you tard.

>>71996884
>Global capitalism is literally an inherently right-wing thing.
No it's not. It's rooted in the idea that the nation-state is obsolete save as a market for goods. That's internationalism which is a leftist belief. It also supports the redistribution of jobs and wealth to Third World countries. So, wealth redistribution which is also a leftist belief. Muhtar Kent, the CEO of Coca-Cola from 2008-16 said that "We are not an American company, we are a global company that happens to be headquartered in the US."

>>71997048
I'm not even going to try to make sense of your line of reasoning.
>corporations are leftist
Thanks for the laugh, Anon.

>>71997042
>direct threat
key phrase amigo. communism is a direct threat to everyone living in the state by that definition then.

Threadly reminder that Zyklon B was used for fumigation to prevent the spread of Typhus and that the gas killing chambers are a lie.

>>71997089
It is a direct threat. By saying, "I adhere to the ideology laid out in Mein Kampf," you are saying, "I agree when Hitler says, 'The nationalization of our masses will succeed only when, aside from all the positive struggle for the soul of our people, their international poisoners are exterminated' and when he says, 'If at the beginning of the war and during the war twelve or fifteen thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the nation had been subjected to poison gas, such as had to be endured in the field by hundreds of thousands of our very best German workers of all classes and professions, then the sacrifice of millions at the front would not have been in vain.'"
Also, that makes no sense.

>>71997075
Big corporations are inherently socialistic institutions because they have close control and ties with governments. It is the small to medium sized businesses which constitute the middle class of a nation and capitalism, and it is they who mainly suffer from government regulation and overreach. It's not the General Electrics of the world, they love regulation because it allows the creation of monopolies and suppression of competition. And that's not free market capitalism.

>>71997105
Hang on, so the Holocaust didn't happen? But I thought that you wanted to gas Jews? Why are you denying the biggest advance made in your ideology?
>>71997165
>"Socialism is when the government does stuff, and the more stuff the government does, the more socialister it is" t. Carl Marks
If the means of production are privately held, it is capitalism.

>>71997156
So is communism a direct threat to me since communism has caused many more deaths than nazism ever did? Does that mean it's ok to assault people for espousing vaguely communistic beliefs?

>>71997202
No, it did happen. Through starvation, shootings and other methods of killing. I just don't believe in the gas chambers. I'm not a holocaust denier, nor do I want one to happen.

There's a reason big multinat corporations 99% supported Hillary. And you can look at companies like Google and Apple, which are massively pro-SJW, pro-leftist.

>>71997156
>It is a direct threat
no it it not. that's not what a direct threat means. a direct threat is saying "i am going to commit [insert heinous act]" at least according to us law. going by your incorrect definition, my communism analogy is stands.
also
>I adhere to the ideology laid out in Mein Kampf
not every Nazi organization did. not even the actual og nazi party.

>>71997214
>So is communism a direct threat to me since communism has caused many more deaths than nazism ever did?
1. Communism has existed for longer than Nazism, which killed at least 11 million in the short timespan it existed in.
2. Capitalism has killed even more than communism.
3. Nowhere in the Communist Manifesto, Das Kapital, The Conquest of Bread, or any of the other texts central to communism is it outlined that there should be mass murders and persecution of races. Genocide is fundamental to Nazism, it's literally right there in the passages I quoted to you.
>>71997256
Hillary is a right-wing neoliberal capitalist.

>>71994244
Yes, though some deserve even worse. Starostin, Prindle and Scaruffi and all those shitty internet reviewers should be tortured until they pass out from the pain then woken up again. Repeat until exhaustion and natural death

>>71997273
>a direct threat is saying "i am going to commit [insert heinous act]" at least according to us law.
Legality =/= morality, my dude. At one point, it was also legal to own slaves. If we assumed that legality did equal morality, then the U.S. shouldn't even exist because its secession from the Kingdom of Great Britain was illegal. And see my other post to see how your communism analogy is flawed.

>>71997278
>Nowhere in the Communist Manifesto, Das Kapital, The Conquest of Bread, or any of the other texts central to communism is it outlined that there should be mass murders and persecution of races.
how does that matter? the result is still even worse.
>Communism has existed for longer than Nazism, which killed at least 11 million in the short timespan it existed in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
in one year. only 10 years into the soviet union. and if you deny holodomer happened then this is obviously b8

>>71997320
>Legality =/= morality
>leftist arguing morality
i give up

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>>71997379
>how does that matter? the result is still even worse.
Top b8
>Holodomor
A highly contentious subject, not recognized as a genocide in several countries (including the U.S., who would definitely want to paint it as a genocide, and who you use as a moral framework). I'm not going to deny it HAPPENED, but it's rather shaky what the causes were.
But, for the sake of debate, let's say it was the fault of communism anyway. See pic related — capitalism has, by the standards used against communism, killed more people in 10 years than communism has in a century.
>>71997400
Not an argument.

>>71997449
gotcha dude.