Which one?

>>71989880
>And they are both the same genre.
Are they?

>>71989901
Kind of. I don't remember desu.

>>71989880
Loveless is better
Neo-/mu/ will deny this
>something something generic '''''90s chords''''''' simplistic song structures
>Le Don stepped outside! So cool

>>71989880
Loveless

>>71989901
indie

>>71989926
>>71990044
Simply epic, laddies.

>>71989901
Yes, both are rock albums.

>>71990060
Who?

>>71989880
I like Loveless better but i have listened very little to Spiderland so i don't really know

Both are overrated but at least mbv came up with a better sound.

>>71989901
They are both guitar music.

>>71989880
Spiderland is way better
Loveless is great though. The guitar playing on Spiderland blows Loveless away without using a whole bunch of effects. It's just better guitar playing.

Both are great albums that create great atmospheres. 1991 was a great year for music

This "Slint is good" meme needs to stop.

>>71991390
Why is slint not good?

Loveless by a significant margin.

>>71989880
loveless is great, but spiderland. it's one of the most unique rock albums of all time and completely shaped the future of post-rock, post-hardcore, and math rock.
>>71989937
>simplistic song structures
simplistic song structures isn't a bad thing in the case of a slint, or a velvet underground. the instrumentation is beautifully minimalist and perfectly complements the vocal delivery, IMO.

why is there such a contrarianism against spiderland on /mu/ lmao

it's easily one of the best "/mu/-core" albums, and while mbv is amazing, spiderland is a bit more amazing.

>>71989880
spiderland is better by far but these are not close enough to be compared at all

>>71989880
It baffles me that anyone considers Slint to be on the same level as MBV. I don't know what you mean when you say "cancer mbv" but the fact that you think such a thing existed let's me know that you are just a fucking idiot who doesn't know anything. You also contradicted yourself 3 times in this post. I really can't get over how dumb you are.

>>71989937
>something something generic '''''90s chords''''''' simplistic song structures
wow I was really confused because I thought you were satirizing MBV

>>71991440
I like Slint but it's annoying how much it's overrated here. Personally, what annoys me the most is how there's a narrative constantly reiterated here how much every post-rock or math rock band that followed Spiderland owes their existence to Slint even though they sound completely different. June of 44, Drive like Jehu, Don Caballero, Cul de Sac, Tortoise, Rodan, and plenty of others all get called "Slint-core" despite owing very little to Slint.

>>71991536
>June of 44
>Rodan
>owing very little to Slint
i agree with the rest of your post

>>71991536
You realize half of the bands you mentioned share members with Slint.

>>71991536
the guitarist of slint is in tortoise
and yeah I agree, most post-rock bands are heavily influenced by godspeed and suck badly

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If you think Loveless is better, kill yourself. It's definitely a good album but there's just way more going on with Spiderland. Kevin Shields is a one-trick pony, he's just very good at that trick.

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>>71991437
>>71989937
>Slint
>simplistic or minimal

>>71991694
>Kevin Shields is a one-trick pony
t. someone who has only listened to Loveless and Isn't Anything

>>71989880
I like Spiderland better.

>>71991718
They are. That doesn't mean they're bad but aside from some left-field arrangements and weird time signatures there's nothing really challenging about Spiderland.

>>71991390
>I'm a contrarian and everything is a meme

>>71991769
maybe if you listen to microtonal classical music

>>71991769
Try harder

>>71991769
simplistic relative to what though? math rock? sure... Why is everything always a pissing contest on this board, it's like something can't be a certain thing if another thing exists that outdoes it.

Spiderland isn't simplistic, I'll agree to the minimal note though, but it isn't a simplistic record, it certainly is challenging to your average listener.

>>71991824
>it certainly is challenging to your average listener.
If this is what we're going by, Loveless would be more challenging than Spiderland. There's literally no reason that someone who thinks Nevermind is the best album of all time would have a hard time appreciating Washer or Breadcrumb Trail.

I'd say Spiderland but that's probably because I like darker albums more

>>71991963
go outside once in a while

>>71991963
The one time I listened to Spiderland in front of my normie friends they were seriously concerned for my well-being

>>71991963
>There's literally no reason that someone who thinks Nevermind is the best album of all time would have a hard time appreciating Washer or Breadcrumb Trail

That is a crazy statement and I absolutely refuse to accept it as truth. A normie "Nevermind" fanatic would be beyond bored to tears with Spiderland

>>71991448
OP was talking about the new MBV.

>>71991718
spiderland is like my favorite album of all time, and i would say that breadcrumb trail and washer are very intricate songs but aside from that, very minimalist songwriting. don, aman consists of like 2 chord progressions almost entirely and good morning captain is the same bassline droning for 7 minutes with a "chorus" every now and again.

>>71991351
>>71991437
>>71991440
>>71991442
>>71991694
actual retards

>>71993265
hurr durr u 2

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So let's see.

We've got an album of mediocre pop songs, infantile guitar and poor singing all drowned in effects to produce cacophony that is masking lack of talent.

And then an album of mumbling, go nowhere do nothing lo fi with some decent drumming in spots that is about as interesting as sand.

Fuck both those albums.

>>71993544
Pick one or die trying.

>>71989880
Loveless

>>71991390
>i don't know any music theory

Spiderland. I love Loveless, but honestly Spiderland is just so much more interesting musically. Loveless is beautiful and unique for its time, but at the end of the day it's just basic noise pop.

>>71993838
Wrong

Loveless desu

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>>71989880
neither. pic related is better

>>71993544
fuck off newman

>>71989880
they're not the same genre though?

>>71994163
>And they are both the same genre.

>>71994133
Why don't you leave this discussion to the patricians, kid

>>71989880
Loveless
Laughing Stock is also better than Spiderland

>>71991351
>The guitar playing on Spiderland blows Loveless away without using a whole bunch of effects. It's just better guitar playing.
Except Loveless actually uses minimal effects and its signature sound mainly comes from Kevin Shields' idiosyncratic playing style and experimental production techniques.

>>71993838
Well neither did Slint

>>71994133
Hahahaha

>>71994227
so do kevin and belinda not use any pedals on loveless?

>>71994266
They do, but the importance of effects pedals to the albums sound is highly overstated by people who don't actually know anything about the album. Usually the same people who say it's just "simple pop songs with effects"

>>71994311
Saying "a lot of effects" is wrong, but saying they didn't use the effects they had very heavily is just dumb

>>71994370
From Wikipedia:
>Vocalist and guitarist Kevin Shields dominated the arduous recording process; intent on achieving a particular sound, he experimented with guitar tremolo techniques and tuning systems, unorthodox production methods, obscured vocals, and sampled percussion and feedback.
>Loveless was largely recorded in mono sound,[30] as Shields felt it important that the album's sound consisted of "the guitar smack bang in the middle and no chorus, no modulation effect".[31] Shields wavers his guitar's tremolo bar as he strums, which contributes, in part, to the band's distinctive sound.[32] This technique—nicknamed "Glide guitar"—causes the guitar strings to bend slightly in and out of tune.[33] Shields said that due to his use of the tremolo bar, "People were thinking it's hundreds of guitars, when it's actually got less guitar tracks than most people's demo tapes have."[34] The guitarist asserted that unlike other bands of the shoegazing movement of the early 1990s, My Bloody Valentine did not use chorus or flanger pedals. He insisted, "No other band played that guitar like me [...] We did everything solely with the tremolo arm".[35] Shields aimed to use "very simple minimal effects" which often were the result of involved studio work. He stated, "The songs are really simply structured. A lot of them are purposely like that. That way you can get away with a lot more when you mess around with the contents".[21] In a 1992 Guitar World interview, Shields described how he achieved a sound akin to a wah-wah pedal on "I Only Said" by playing his guitar through an amplifier with a graphic equaliser preamp. After recording the track, he then bounced it to another track through a parametric equaliser while he adjusted the EQ levels manually. The interviewer asked if Shields could have achieved the same effect more easily by simply using a wah-wah pedal, to which the guitarist replied, "In attitude toward sound, yes. But not in approach."[23]

>>71994266
Basically reverse reverb and fuzz, plus the special tremolo arm on a Fender offset guitar. No chorus or flange like you'd believe

>>71994133
>what is F#A# Infinity

>>71995424
A worse album than LYSFLATH

>>71991963
>a literal pop album
>more accessible than any post-rock album
MBV is babby's first indie

>>71992307
>Slint fans actually believe this.

Looks like the general consensus is that Loveless is better.
SPIDERLAND BTFO!!!

>>71996526
He's right you know, there are even plenty of people on this board who think Spiderland is boring.

>>71989880
That MBV only released two albums kind of silly. They had more material than those two combined in all their EP's.

Spiderland influenced better music IMO. Both are classics.

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I prefer Spiderland over Loveless, but both are absolutely wrecked by the real best album of 1991.

>>71991455
lol i was mindfucked as well until i read this reply

>>71991455
>>71997351
pretty clear to me that it was a satirizing a satire of MBV

>>71997242
Amen.

1991 was the best year for music IMO. Slanted & Enchanted's another classic.

>>71997901
rockist smfh tbqh

>>71991390
>i don't agree with an opinion so i'll call it a meme
>that ought to show em

horrible, just horrible

>cancer MBV


early mbv ruled fuck u

>>71993544
>cacophony
Damn, new fucking favorite word thx

>>71989901
they split the indie scene in two, thats why this is a post

shoegaze != mathrock

i like loveless though

Loveless