GOAT album

>>71921500
modest mouse - moon and antarctica

brand new- devil and god are raging inside me

modest mouse - this is a long drive

carissa's wierd - ugly but honest

radiohead - amnesiac


Also mayonaise is the best song on siamese dream.

>>71921556
Mayonaise is dope

>>71921500
Kid A

>>71921500
>all songs must be good
Disarm is easily one of the worst songs of the 90s

>innovative for its time
How delusional do you have to be to actually believe that this typical 90s alt rock with mild shoegaze influence (note that Loveless came out two whole years earlier) was in any way "innovative?"


The idea that Siamese Meme is a good album needs to fucking crawl into a hole and die.

>>71922150
low quality bait

Everyone loves Siamese Dream, my nigga

>>71921556
I'd say LCW over long drive

John Frusciante - Shadows Collide with People
REM - Murmur
QOTSA - Era Vulgaris (unpopular opinion ik)

>>71922325
Literally not bait, that's my true honest opinion.

Even if you like the album though, you should at least be able to admit that in no way is it "innovative."

>>71922364
I personally think that Billy Corgan was better at layering and mixing guitars than Kevin Shields ever was

>>71922396
Kevins guitars are put under so many swirling layers of masterful effects that are balanced perfectly and create a sound literally unlike any other in rock. Corgan hits a big muff plugged into a tube amp and calls it a day.

Regardless, whoever did it "better" is irrelevant. The main point is that Kevin did it first. Siamese Dream was not innovative whatsoever.

>>71922465
It doesn't matter who did it first, it matters who did it better.

Don't get me wrong, I love Loveless, but Corgan was able to make an album that didn't just have vacuum noises throughout.

>>71922495
>all songs are good
Nah, all alone is fucking trash. In fact theres a stretch of mediocre songs right through the middle of this album, between El Manana and Dare.

>innovative for its time
You're not even trying now you fucking retard.

This Reddit album full of 14 year old anthems is so fucking overrated it hurts.

>>71922520
What? My point of contention was that it wasnt innovative. So saying "It doesn't matter who did it first, it matters who did it better" is fucking bullshit.

Kevin was innovative. Corgan ripped him off. End of story. Smashing Pumpkins are demonstrably not innovative.

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>>71922150
>Disarm is easily one of the worst songs of the 90s
You take that back right now.

>>71922623
Ok then, what about Gish by The Smashing Pumpkins? It came out before Loveless, so is it therefore innovative?

>>71922150
>>71922597
(You)

>>71922890
Have you even listened to Gish? It's nowhere near as shoegaze influenced as Siamese Dream, it's basically just a grunge album with some mild psychedelic elements thrown in. It was more influenced by Mudhoney than anything.

Regardless, this is irrelevant. You keep changing the subject. I will take this as you accepting the fact that Siamese Dream is not an innovative album, which was the original point which I have been arguing this entire time, despite your repeated attempts to derail me.

>>71922996
Damn dude, sheesh, you win.

But in your original post you mentioned that it is shit, which I was trying to say is objectionally wrong.

>>71922364
t bh I dont consider it innovative, I just really like it

>>71922996
this anon is right

SD is *unique* in many aspects, but it is not innovative (very little music is). kids on /mu/ seem to have trouble distinguishing between those two labels

>>71922817
i love the album but he's kinda right about that too, at least in regards to the album version. i vastly prefer its earphoria counterpart

>>71922623
"rip off" is a strong word

>>71923225
I get that the bells and strings in the studio version are a little over-the-top and Billy's voice is kinda grating, but that song just holds so much sentimental value for me seeing as how it was pretty much the soundtrack to my teen angst. The Pinkpop version is the best version IMO.

Primus - Frizzle Fry

>>71922150
siamese dream is a very good album but not great. I do enjoy every track on it though.

>>71922344
Shadows collide is a great album. John's solo work should get more recognition on /mu/

"Compton the soundtrack" by Dre

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>>71921500

Even Touched is god tier.

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>innovative
depends on who you ask

>>71922465
you sound like a genji main defending seagull

>>71924145
Touched is far more interesting than the songs before and after it

>>71924194
this is a good album
but far from goat

>>71922996
>Regardless, this is irrelevant. You keep changing the subject. I will take this as you accepting the fact that Siamese Dream is not an innovative album, which was the original point which I have been arguing this entire time, despite your repeated attempts to derail me.

Dude did you know that both albums use POWER CHORDS, and MAJOR and MINOR chords, and GUITARS, and DRUMS???

THE BEATLES DID THAT DECADES BEFORE.

NEITHER ONE IS ORIGINAL.

OH MY GOD.

MIND BLOWN.

Stop being a twat. Siamese Dream blew everyone's mind when it came out, myself included. My Bloody Valentine is generally unlistenable for lacking hooks or any memorable songwriting.

That's like saying Nirvana ripped off the Pixies, etc. Nirvana was way heavier than the Pixies and actually had songs people wanted to sing along to.

You don't have to be the first one to ever do something at all to be innovative.

All innovation is incremental.

Geek USA is the best song.

Fight me bro

>>71921500

I feel like if Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness was more quality > quantity it'd be better than siamese dream.

>>71925822
a personal favorite, definitely rocks the hardest on the album and JCs drums fucking killin it. Corgan averred that it was more like the Gish sound than SD. A great way to start side 2.

>>71921500
this is just a bunch of shit shoegaze/dream pop already did but more accessible.

>>71925866

MCIS was fantastic as well.

>>71926041

Who cares about labels? The songwriting was great.

>>71923714
Hopsin is the best rapper alive!

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>>71921500

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>>71921500
Pinkerton

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Laughing Stock is a cohesive concept album. In first person the lyrics bring you through a man's death all the way through his salvation and acceptance into heaven, and the last song is from God's perspective to the man giving him love and forgiveness. It's the most well done story I've ever seen in an album.

Musically, it combined jazz, rock elements, classical, and minimalism to create a beautiful, unique sound. The songs are amazing, and in Laughing Stock's wake it left a massive mark on a new genre.

>>71925724
This is the most obnoxious post I've ever seen on this entire board. You're way too fucking old to be typing like a snotty kid. No wonder you'll defend the tears in my diary angst anthems of Siamese Dream.

>My Bloody Valentine is generally unlistenable for lacking hooks or any memorable songwriting.

Got an honest laugh from this one.

>That's like saying Nirvana ripped off the Pixies, etc. Nirvana was way heavier than the Pixies and actually had songs people wanted to sing along to.

Nirvana DID rip off the Pixies, Kurt would even cop to that. Just because you say they did it slightly heavier (as if the Pixies didn't have plenty of heavy songs) does not mean shit. Mudhoney were equally as heavy as Nirvana (and followed the same basic song structure formula) and they came before, and they were basically just ripping off the Stooges who were the true innovators. Siamese Dream demonstrably wasn't innovative because you can trace the ideas it uses very clearly back through rock history. Was it a good album? Lots of people seem to think so and if you agree then that's all good. Was it innovative? Demonstrably not.

>You don't have to be the first one to ever do something at all to be innovative.

This is where I start to think this post might be bait. The definition of innovating is to introduce new ideas that haven't been done before i.e. to be the first to use these new ideas.

You're fucking retarded.

Soma is obviously the best the best song

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>>71926168
comin through

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robert dylan - blonde on blonde

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>>71927220
True. Try picrelated as well. Very similar.

>>71921556
>all songs must be good
moon and antarctica and amnesiac both do not fill this criteria

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1973? I thought it was, like, 2003 when I first listened to it, all digital sampling and stuff. I could not believe one guy recorded this alone in his basement in the early '70s. What a wonderful world we live in.

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Examine it honestly and give me a reason why it isn't. Best stripper music.

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The stories are as great as the music. "The words will come again, but not to me." - lyrisist and former acid testee Robert Hunter
Beauty (Reality) on the cover.
>Be me, junior in college, tripping balls with best friend.
>Time stops. Enveloped in the wisdom of the universe as I notice Jim Morrison step off the wall.
>Friend loses it and calls 911.
>Oh shit! It's all over!
>Hear voice "You stupid fucker. I do all the hard work. I pay the bills. I study for those fucking tests you love to take all the time. You just fuck shit up, like now! Don't pull this shit again!"
>Voice gone. Stone cold sober.
>Friend still flipping out.
>Arrive at ER. Policeman becomes brother-in-law. Nurse is Sally Field. She says "Anon, are you okay? Your pupils are the size of saucers."
>I reply "All I need is to go home and listen to some Grateful Dead."
>Friend tells me later staff in next cubicle laughed their asses off.
>Fair the well, motherfuckers!

>>71921580
WHEN I CAN

>>71922150
It's a great album, but you are fucking right that it isn't innovative. It isn't innovative for shit. People should be more aware of that. It blatantly cobbles a bunch of shit, things that were trendy and stylistically calculated. But that doesn't make it bad music to me, it uses those elements amazingly, it's just not innovative.

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The Standard, The Benchmark, the Album from which all others are judged.

GOAT
O
A
T

>>71921500
>>71921556
>>71922088
>>71922344
>>71922495
>>71922927
>>71925456
>>71926168
>>71927521
>>71927790 (there's better ZZ Top albums)
>>71927925
Kill yourself

>>71927220
>>71927542
>>71927800
>>71928065
Acceptable answers

>>71921500
literally all TooL albums

>>71928236
i like your taste friend

rec me an album to listen to

Kid A
Nevermind
Discovery
The White Album
Is This It
Illmatic
Highway 61 Revisited
London Calling
Paul's Boutique
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club

>>71921500
If I had to pick one song to listen to on repeat for the rest of my life, it would be Hummer.

>>71922344
Dude, Era Vulgaris is so goddamn creative. I've never heard anything like it since.

>>71927521
How is this innovative

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How innovate it was is debatable, but there's not a bad song on it.

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Obligatory correct answer

>>71931510
This
Best rock album of the 90s

>>71929310
Oooo, ouch! You seemed to have forgotten that Moonchild exists! All good, honest mistake!

>>71921556
I disagree on a few but I feel like we'd get along pretty well hombre

>>71921556
Ugly but honest is amazing

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Say what you want about the rest of their work, this album is gold start-to-end.

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Umm... can an answer ever be more correct?

>>71930877
my favorite album of all time so id have to agree

>>71931572
moonchild is good you pleb

>>71931572
Moonchild would be ok (certainly the weakest one on there but not enough to ruin the album) if it weren't for the 10 minutes of noise.

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>pic related

>>71922495

All songs good? Yeah I'd agree, I could see a lot of people disagreeing with you tho

Innovative for its time? No not really at all. All it did was bring blending genres to the mainstream. Trip hop isn't innovative in 2005.

Great album tho

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>>71933990
>>71929310
>>71928353
>>71927925
>>71927220
Great picks

>>71921500
Boring
As
Fuck

Discipline

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>>71921500

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>>71921500
The Best and Perfect Radiohead Album before their bleeps and bloops shit era.

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>>71921556

There's no piece on this I cannot enjoy, everything fits

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Literally perfect.

>>71921500
L O L

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>>71921500
>>71921556
>>71922495
>>71922626
>>71922927
>>71923714
>>71925456
>>71926168
>>71927521
>>71929072
>>71935438
You're fucking joking, right?

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>>71921500
Adore is their best album.
Siamese Dream is 2nd best.

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Is it cheating if there is only one song?

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>>71921500
All of MBV's EPs.
You Made Me Realize is my favorite.

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Best road trip album ever. My opinion, feel free to disagree.

>>71938042
You joke but I know plenty of people in their mid 20's to whom this is baiscally a musical masterpiece.

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Best album ever. Not an opinion, but a fact.

>>71938107
Not a joke. I'm almost 40 and this is a solid album.

>>71921500
yep great record. Not celebrated enough. Pumpkins' best.

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>>71933862
>>71937311
>>71922344 (LCW)

>>71925866
yeah Mellon Collie had a bit of filler. So Siamese Dream is better imho

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Another great album. Not GOAT, close.

Wire - 154

This is /mu/ for JJJEEEEEEEESSSSSSSUUUUUUUSS CCCCCCHHHHRRRRRRIIIISSSSSSTTTTS sake, im gonna have to hit you with an ITAOTS

>>71937311
Yes

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There's memes about this being the Greatest Of All Time for a reason y'all

/thread

>>71928236
>>71937164
Why is it that the faggots who feel the need to quote every post in the thread invariably have shit taste?

>>71928639

Me too man.

>>71927315

Nope. Innovating is INCREMENTAL. Nirvana innovated by taking what the Pixies did and making it heavier and hookier.

Etc.

It's not like The Pixies were the first band to use distortion and power chords.

>>71936986
I'LL COME RUNNING....TO TIE YOUR SHOE

I couldn't do it.

>>71921500
The Bends
OK Computer
Kid A
Amnesiac
In Rainbows
The King of Limbs
A Moon Shaped Pool
Amok

>>71935248
except atrocity exhibit

>>71939752
nirvana a shit

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>>71921500
Step aside
/thread

>>71939986
be careful, nigga's ain't too kind to jam band music
good album though

>>71940046
Yeah I know they have nothing that compares to Billy effin Corgan

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>>71940046
Then they need to listen to Zonkey :-D

>>71937164
>>71928236
The reason /mu/core is trash.

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Not sure about the innovation part, but all the songs are good.

>>71938066
so much this

>>71922495
Not sure I would call it innovative, but is good.

>>71939487
>Nirvana innovated by taking what the Pixies did and making it heavier and hookier.

Nirvana took the formula of the Pixies songwriting. They took the idea of making it heavier from other bands in their scene such as the Melvins. Where is the new idea here? seriously, name one new idea Nirvana brought to the table. You can't. Nirvana sounds nearly identical to Mudhoney except with way cleaner production. They did not innovate. They did not bring any new ideas to rock music or put anything in their music that essentially hadn't been done before somewhere else.

>It's not like The Pixies were the first band to use distortion and power chords.

Correct. The Pixies did not innovate distortion and power chords. They did innovate however with certain songwriting techniques that had never really been done before (especially in regards to their use of dynamic contrasts in their songwriting).

>>71940311
*yessssssssssssssssssssssssssss*

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Comin through

>>71922495
I love this album, but White Light exists so...

>>71939600
I'm a huge Radiohead fan, but I'd only agree with OK Computer, Kid A, and AMSP being GOAT

I still really like the others, but they just don't fit the criteria quite right.

>>71928374
Good taste

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>>71921500

>>71936986
good pick