What does /mu think of Mariah Carey?

am i the only one who thinks that she's really off putting to look at?

>>71909269
I want to hate fuck this thicc slut so hard
some slap in her face too

90s Rihanna. A so-so pop singer who managed to be relevant for years and years by grinding out songs that just happened to fit the cultural zeitgeist.

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Mariah Carey [Columbia, 1990]

I swear I didn't know her mama was an opera singer, but I'm embarrassed that I didn't guess. She gets too political in her brave, young, idealistic attack on "war, destitution and sorrow": "Couldn't we accept each other/Can't we make ourselves aware." Elsewhere she sticks to what she doesn't know--love. Debbie Gibson, all is forgiven. C

Emotions [Columbia, 1991] *bomb*

Music Box [Columbia, 1993] *bomb*

Butterfly [Columbia, 1997] *bomb*

#1's [Columbia, 1998]

"Fantasy [Featuring ODB]" *choice cuts*

Rainbow [Columbia, 1999]

Not a "real" r&b thrush, but good enough to fake it ("Heartbreaker," "Crybaby"). **

E=MC2 [Island, 2008]

"Touch My Body" *choice cuts*

Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel [Island, 2009] *bomb*

wow, i really thought he'd give Rainbow a sad face
and Butterfly a helicopter
i was really surprised when he gave Music Box a picture of his taint

>>71909359
Yeah fuck this guy. He thought Janet Jackson was good.

>>71909269
really nice tits and thicc body, i wanna fuck her in every hole if you know what i mean

>>71909386
no, what do you mean?

GOAT diss track of all time right here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Yt0xJKDY8

>>71909391
i wanna have sex with her. She would probably laugh at my cock, but that would be kinda sexy tho

>>71909396
to be honest, Eminem acted like a fucking high school kid in this whole drama.

>>71909330
We had one in Australia; it was called Kylie Minogue.

>>71909419
I mean, really. Especially for a guy who was pushing 40 at the time.

>>71909486
yeah, when you think about it its kinda funny, a 'badass' rapper who beefs with pop stars and white trash bands.

Did he get an STD from Mariah Carey or something?

Fantasy is the jam of a lifetime. Sampling Genius of love will always make a song amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq09UkPRdFY

>>71909269
garbage

>>71909438
Kylie is bae

If you were a 12 year old girl in 1995, she was ok.

>>71909585
This, but of course it's all because of the Tom Tom Club

>>71909359
Why did so many talented people die in 2016, but this worthless plebian hack is still alive?

she's iconic af and the queen of shade

slay mama

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>>71909381
This is good. Not wonderful but pretty good.

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>>71909269
that album cover taught me how to jack off

>>71909288
She's a fucked up mix of Irish and shitskin, so...

The current generation of pop stars don't seem to crank out albums at the rate they did in the 90s. Mariah and Kylie had one out every year and a half back then.

>>71910166
You can't make money from recorded music like you could in the 90s.

Ok if you were a gay dude in the 90s.

>>71910194
Natch.

>>71909998
I love it how /pol/ has such a presence in /mu/, makes me feel at home. Ily famo

>>71909269
>What does /mu think of Mariah Carey?
Wasted talent. With a 4 octave vocal range she decided to make dance-pop...

>>71910398
Roy Orbison wasted his talent too. Whaddya want?

>>71910398
I'm sure she regrets that decision as she contemplates the size of her bank account.

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She's alright...

>>71909933
>>71909381
If her name were Janet Smith, she'd be a cashier at Target.

I was listening to Music Box and I noticed how bland 90s pop production is. There isn't a distinct sound to it the way there is with, say, 80s pop that makes you definitively know it's from the 90s when you hear it.

>>71912053
It was a reaction against the over-the-top 80s sounds.

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She is and always will be a sexual awakening to me. Especially Honey - in both song and video.

Still hot, too. Good and thicc nowadays.

>>71912053
Though on the other hand, 90s pop has aged pretty well compared to 80s pop, unless the song is referencing some outdated technology item like a VCR or a pager.

>>71911686
Yeah, because money can solve all of your problems.

>>71909330
Britney et al kind of pushed her off the airwaves.

>>71912161
dear god

>>71912177
>problems

Her MTV Unplugged set was cool.

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>>71909644
kylie is perfection

t est

Her songs always seem like the same bland, indistinct mush.

Jennifer Lopez was a Mariah contemporary that somehow didn't get started until she was already 30 and the Britney era had started.

Before I had my own laptop I would scroll through the music channels when the opportunity arose.

Spilt so much of my seed to her videos, especially the touch my body one.

>>71912930
Considering her impressive vocal range, she really criminally underused it.

>>71912949
Kylie Minogue is hotter desu.

>>71913038
Eh, she never showed enough skin, gold hotpants don't compare to low cut dresses and panty shots.

itt: gen z nu male cucks with wrong opinions

>>71913193
You never saw that one phone (?) commercial she did.

>>71913280
excuse me for not being 40 and having my first ejaculation to MC back in '91

>>71913291
Oh ya but like I say this is before I had access to a laptop.

Also it's not like I would pass over Kylie, but around that era she wasn't being played as much as Mariah, I actually forgot when I typed that but Can't Get You Out Of My Head was actually pretty high tier fap material when it played.

Ironically I just scrolled through the music channels and Spinning Around was playing. Better wank material than I remember.

Toppest of top tiers was Perfect Exceeder.

>>71913631
>Also it's not like I would pass over Kylie, but around that era she wasn't being played as much as Mariah

My Amerifat sense is tingling...

>>71912161
>>71912053
Her first two albums came out in 90-91 and still have some 80s-ness to them, especially the snare reverb drums.

>>71909359
I guess what Christgau didn't like about Mariah was her lack of vocal expression, she comes off as too wooden despite her obviously impressive range. Part of what makes for a good performer is making it seem like you actually believe what you're singing. Frank Sinatra was a genius at that.

>>71912203
>problems
You know, those things that happen when you move out of your parents house.

>>71914184
Well your Amerifat sense needs some major recalibration m80.

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>>71914412
>move out of parents house
>"oh no, dance pop"

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>>71909381
Janet Jackson's stuff is more based in traditional black music sounds, it's more slinky and funky. I guess that's why he likes her better, her music comes off as sexier. Funk always makes for the best sex music.

Yeah Mariah's songs are pretty bland and all of them sound the same. Aside from her tits, there's nothing to get excited about.

>>71910398
It's too bad her voice is kind of shot now and she's only in her 40s.

>>71916381
Her, Whitney, and Celine all used poor vocal technique and lost their power and range at a relatively early age. At least Mariah wasn't a junkie like Whitney who had the best voice (imo) out of the three.

>>71914509
Made me kek
4/10

>>71916424
Olivia Newton-John was kind of losing her voice by the late 90s as she was pushing 50, but that may have had more to do with cancer treatment she'd undergone, but by the early 2000s she regained her vocal power.

>>71916381
Charmbracelet is the first album where Mariah seems to not have her full vocal power and she was only 33 at that time. But she apparently had some health issues at that time so it may be excusable.

A lot of people complained about Whitney Houston's voice on I Look To You, which I think is unfair. Her voice may have lost some of that perfect smoothness but she still sang with huge amounts of power.

>>71916561
I agree, the haters hated too much. Her lifestyle habits definitely affected her voice, but she still had power and could hit some mighty notes.

Whitney Houston was just sad. She could have totally ruled the 90s but drugs and Bobby Brown did her in. By mid-decade her career had become a joke.

>>71916626
I think Whitney would have had Toni Braxton's career in the 90s, if she wanted it. Or, Toni Braxton had the career Whitney would have had, if not for her issues and her pursuit of movie stardom. Both were on Arista, and Toni had her first hits (produced by Babyface, who had produced a lot of Whitney's I'm Your Baby Tonight) just as Whitney fell off the radar a bit after The Bodyguard. I think Clive Davis and Arista also saw Deborah Cox as a Whitney-substitute too, doing Whitney-style R&B, pop and adult contemporary ballads, but she had fewer hits than Toni did.

>>71912384
It was and apparently the main reason for it was because Mariah didn't do a lot of live performances and critics said she was only a studio artist who couldn't sing live and her vocals were doctored and all that, so she wanted to prove that wasn't so.

>>71916468
Olivia Newton John hit too many ceiling notes like Whitney and damaged her voice.

>>71916706
It's as I said. She started getting rough in the 90s, but by the early 2000s sounded much better after hiring a vocal coach. Now she's in her 60s and doesn't quite have the power she once did, but is still a very capable vocalist and can hit high notes when she wants to.

Her first two albums are classic, Music Box is a bit of a downgrade, mostly because the lead single (Dreamlover) is a letdown. There's some good songs on that album, but it generally feels too generic and also she devotes too much time to using helium vocals as opposed to S/T and Emotions where she does more low range singing. It seems to me that Music Box was trying a little more to appeal to tween girls than her previous albums.

>>71916853
Music Box was produced by Walter Afanasieff who was known for this ultra-glossy production aesthetic (see his Celine Dion albums) that however feels cold and impersonal. Note how after this, she moved to a more R&B sound.

>>71916898
I'm being complimentary here, but Music Box is a little too syrupy for my taste, a little too much like a Celine Dion album.

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>>71909269
What do you think Mariah Carey dumping her billionaire financee for an Asian guy?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4268082/Mariah-Carey-kisses-Bryan-Tanaka.html

>>71916919
I recently listened to Music Box for the first time in years and I do agree it's too slick and generic, as if you could plug in any female vocalist interchangeably. Though I find Mariah's voice preferable to Celine's. My partner loves Celine and I agree she has some excellent material, but I just think Mariah is a bit better.

I can't say with certainty what the intention behind MB is, but to me it sounds like a Tommy Molotta album, since they got married around this time and it feels as if this is the album he wanted Mariah to make. But since they got divorced in a hurry and Mariah then started doing R&B on the albums after MB, I'd guess it wasn't her idea.

As far as my personal tastes go, I don't really care for "vocal gymnastics". While I certainly don't mean to single her out or pick on her, I'll use Mariah Carey as my example. For me, her first album was "Wow - listen to that girl sing!" By the second, I was like, "OK - I know you can do that - how about just singing the song?" And I started to lose interest.

It isn't gender-based. There are guys who sing that way too, and for me, it wears thin real fast. I understand that others may dig it though...if we all liked the same thing, life would be pretty boring!

>>71910398
To quote blues singer Hazel Miller, "Mariah Carey does not make you feel that she believes in what she's singing. So I can't deal with it ...God love her, she has an incredible gift. But to sing that mindless 4/4-beat, R&B simply to make money and never use that amazing voice God blessed her with for anything worthy of it - to me, I'm sorry, that's a sin."

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>>71917094
Street Talk [Columbia, 1985]

The head Journeyman's USA for Africa cameos were so discreetly intense and discreetly tossed off they made me wonder what I'd been missing. Now I know--musical gastroenteritis. Pat Boone didn't understand, so why should Steve Perry--oversinging signifies not soul and inspiration but will and desperation. Upped a notch for good intentions, and just in case Sam Cooke has finally taught him a lesson. C

Yeah the worst part is that an entire generation of pop singers were influenced by Mariah Carey's relentless overkill. That operatic style of singing had its roots in black gospel and blues singers, but Mariah et al forgot how to sing with any emotion or feeling.

>>71916949
she realized that ASIAN MEN >>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHITE MEN / BLACK MEN

I agree with the other guy that the MOR ballads on her first two albums were the best and she made a mistake adopting R&B sounds and trying to appeal to 12 year old girls.

Oversinging predates Mariah Carey by a long shot, it was common on Star Search which was a 70s American Idol kind of show. There are at least several rock vocalists with huge ranges like Ann Wilson and Rob Halford who've made much better use of their abilities.

>>71917265
Yeah but at least Star Search performers never lasted more than a few minutes. Mariah Carey and her disciples have been a blight on popular music for a quarter century.

>>71917030
This. Whitney was even more guilty and Beyonce taking it to another level.

Give me Aretha Franklin over these, any day.

>>71909359
Christgau is fucking weird man

Britney Spears:
Glory (Deluxe Edition) [RCA, 2016]
Not much music that aspires to pornography achieves the purity of its pleasure principle, and not much pornography does either--not if the ideal isphysical sensation undiluted by either the distractions of romance or the power trips of big-dick netsmut. So Glory's fast-tracked eroticism is an unprecedented achievement even for this longtime professional sex toy. If she has "personal" issues, and why shouldn't she, they go unaddressed. But that doesn't mean there are no signs of growth here. Never has she slammed less or cooed more, and never has she seemed so in command of her desires, or so comfortable with them. She always likes her partners and sometimes loves them, but only three of the 17 songs go off message unless you count the voyeuristic one where she catches her doppelganger atop the cad she's driven 250 miles to dump. My favorite sequence tops the single "Clumsy," where they're banging all over the bedroom, with the single "Do You Wanna Come Over?," where she promises not to start kissing and touching without his go-ahead. But since tastes in sex differ radically, you may have your own. A-

She's also embarrassed herself by being in her 40s and still acting like a dumb idiot teenager with her tits hanging out of her shirt. Problem is when you get so rich and famous that nobody wants to tell you no and your friends and business associates are all yes men.

I'd pee in her butt

>>71917511
That's funny y'know, 'cos when Britney was at her peak in 99-05, he couldn't stand her and trashed all of her albums.

>>71917593
He said that he thought Janet Jackson was sexy, but Madonna and Lil Kim were too intimidating for him and he didn't like Britney's "jailbait sleaze".

>>71917593
I feel like he just randomly says things
>99-05
>peak
Physically and mentally maybe but she sold more after that suprisingly

>>71917551
Mariah can't possibly have embarrassed herself to the extent Madonna has since the 2000s.

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>>71917642
>not liking jailbait

>>71917593
He trashed the entire Whitney/Celine/Mariah axis. Now, they're not my kind of music because I'm not gay, but I have nothing in particular against any of them and they all had at least 1-2 decent songs.

>>71917664
Yeahyeah Granny trying to still act like a sex goddess. We know.

Actually Madonna started to lose it with Erotica. She was pushing her mid-30s at that time and maybe should have dialed back the sex songs at that point.

>>71917727
Christgau IIRC called the Titanic theme song "nauseating". I don't hate it myself, in fact it's kinda nostalgic.

Oh god in middle school we used to debate how many STDs Britney Spears had (among other things). Middle schools are absolutely terrible people.

>>71917551
Honestly, Mariah acted more grown up when she was 22 than she does now.

>>71917869
what was the consensus

>>71917904
To be fair, I don't remember.

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>>71917869
>post yfw you have an STD

>>71917947
It's good to be fair.