When did Hip Hop become high art?

>>71854893
2008

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>>71854893
2010 u fuckin pleb

When pitchfork started pretending that trap rap was anything but garbage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgIi-g5vNK8

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>>71855501
What did THEY mean by this?

Dr. Carter is a masterpiece

>>71855225
Have my upvote!

It didn't

>>71854893
1979

>>71857714
This. It's my favorite smashing pumpkins song

>>71855501
This album was such hot garbage it gave me a bad acid trip

>>71854893
Did a BBC fuck your bitch?

>>71855225
Listening to this right now, I think I'm too late to the party because it sounds generic and boring.

>>71858073

>generic

you could criticize MBDTF in a lot of ways but "generic" is the last thing you can say about it with validity

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>>71854893

>>71854893
When that album was released

>>71854893
pauls boutique

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>>71858023
OP is why the genre is so weak,, I'm done.

>>71858073
How the fuck do you figure?

>>71855501
I am going to skip the "what" question and move on to "WHY?"

>>71854893
that depends on what you define as art.
if pure art is something that exists maily to "be" art and provoke a feeling, devoid of ego and ambition,
then we can ask the question if any music is really art.
if it has to be high art, then it has to transcend cultural class.

maybe some aesop rock can qualify just based on the lyrical complexity
maybe theatrical pieces, where a character is played to remove any personal gain or fame from the equation, like madvillainy could apply

fuck who knows

why does anything have to be art?

>>71854893
HIP HOP BEEN HIGH ART SINCE THE BEGINNIN 420 MY NIGGA SHEEEEEEEEEID

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C.R.E.A.M.

>>71855501
What's the point of this? Like how does this has any value?

When young thug came in

>>71858073
>Listening to this right now
no you arent
>it sounds generic and boring.
this is how i know

What the hell is high art? Art to get high to?

>>71861485
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_capital

Aquemini

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No, but for real.

>>71855501
I don't get it. Doesn't look like they're doing anything other than shooting a video. What's satanic about this?

>>71856520
its corny as fuck what are you talking about

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>>71854893
in 1998

Outkast did it.

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2007, fite me

>>71864934
>kanye's poppiest album

get.
out.

>>71864949
>Poppiest Album
>Not 808's

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

The late 80s when it evolved from being a weird form of party DJing. KRS, big daddy kane, Scarface and others from that era made it art. The 90s was just more conceptual and refined and the new millennium has started the splitting of it into sub-genres.

2016
https://youtu.be/r_dHDbYFjVM