Whats the deal with prog rock and the organ?

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>>71812343
>DSOTM
>prog rock

>>71812343
it sounds good

>>71812343
This is redditor/normie shit my man and barely qualifies as "prog" expand your horizons

>>71812343
Everyone knows that rock organ peaked with Deep Purple

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>>71812343
>DSOTM
>prog rock

>>71812355
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>>71813531
what is this meme
it's clearly prog rock

>>71812343
>pic not related

>>71813572
>muh money is in 7/4
>Le experimental cash and change sounds
Zappa did that on Willie the Pimp several years before friendo

>>71813428
prog means it is progressive compared to standard rock compositions. it doesnt have to mean its avant garde or literally groundbreaking or whatever you think it means.

>>71813620
are you retarded? who the fuck is talking about Zappa?

>>71813648
He used that technique(recordings of money sounds) years before this album came out yet they are credited for it on the song "Money". The point is that this album is entry level prog at best

>>71813684
Entry level prog = prog

>>71813684
>I don't like it so it's not prog
alrighty then
>He used that technique(recordings of money sounds)
oh yeah I forgot how groundbreaking the usage of money sounds was to music

>>71813764
This

>>71813764
>>71813767
Genesis, Yes, King Crimson

>>71813798
what

>>71813428
>>71813531
>>71813620
>Hey look, I listen to more obscure music than you

>>71813817
Just listing a few bands that make Pink Floyd look like shit in comparison

>>71812355
Wow, you are fucking retarded

>>71813836
what a good meme my dude, you must be real proud of yourself

Pink Floyd is BARELY prog. It's more "soft rock," "pop rock," or maybe "easy listening" than real prog.

>>71813836
Most of Yes' discography was trash though. Pink Floyd was solid save for a few albums.

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>>71813875
Why do Pink Floyd fans always seem like virgins, /mu/?

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good thread guys

>>71813798
Scratch Genesis, add Frank Zappa and Soft Machine

>>71813876
Still if you compare "Roundabout" to any song off Dark Side of the Meme, Yes will always reign supreme

I like PF, but can someone rationally explain with concrete reasons why they consider dark side "prog"

>>71813933
This guy gets it.
Genesis and Floyd are easily the same tier.

Yes did it very well
especially on i get up i get down

rick wakemen is a fucking god

Yo, I think Ummagumma is great.

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>>71813933
Early Floyd is almost as good as Soft Machine though.

>>71814011
Listen to Duke's travels and then say that shitkid

>>71814073
I did. at least 5 Floyd albums are better than it

>>71813572
>>71813638
>>71813648
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>>71813865
You're all retards. I'm going to have to copy this down if you keep pretending these pieces of shit were prog.
Pink Floyd was far too blues-inspired to be prog. The literal foundation of prog was to reject the heavy blues influences of rock at the time and instead draw influence from jazz and European classical.
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>>71814121
You're also retarded, although slightly less so. Supper's Ready blows literally every other prog composition out of the water, no contest, ESPECIALLY the field recordings of rat shit hitting toilet water interspersed with 10-minute-long xylophone solos that Zappa called prog.

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>>71814196
ITT: prog albums

>>71814253
Sure, WYWH sheds the bluesiness of its predecessors enough to be considered prog, but that does not make Pink Floyd prog at all. The Who also released Tommy and Quadrophenia, that doesn't make them a prog band.

>>71814271
Pink Floyd's origins as contemporaries of Soft Machine make them a prog band.

>>71814196
I bet you've never even heard Septober Energy.

Lord, Emerson or Wakeman?

>>71814327
Ratledge (^:

>>71814327
Wakeman was good, but Cans and Brahms is no Karn Evil 9, if you catch my drift.

>>71813969
Okay well lets see
>1. Its a fuckin concept album. Even if it is a really abstract concept every song still ties into a cohesive picture.

>2. Song length and drastic shifts in timbre throughout single songs. I know its not the best argument that a 7 minute song = prog but its also a defining trait of progressive rock which this album clearly is

3. Eclectic styles, sometimes you get the trippy space rock, but then sometimes you get super jazzy epics with saxophone solos, sometimes you get synthesized headtrips, theres even a whole track thats just a trippy vocal solo.


I find it very hard to believe that people denying that this is prog rock arnt just extremely contrarian. This is like people who say sgt pepper isnt psychedelic just because its mainstream

>>71814196
>prog ROCK not being in part influenced by the blues tradition

You really must have brain damage

>>71814369
>1. Its a fuckin concept album. Even if it is a really abstract concept every song still ties into a cohesive picture.
The Who Sell Out is a concept album, that doesn't make it prog.
>I know its not the best argument that a 7 minute song = prog but its also a defining trait of progressive rock which this album clearly is
You're literally saying "this album is progressive rock because it is progressive rock."
>3. Eclectic styles, sometimes you get the trippy space rock, but then sometimes you get super jazzy epics with saxophone solos, sometimes you get synthesized headtrips, theres even a whole track thats just a trippy vocal solo.
That just makes it psychedelic rock at best.

>>71814196
How the fuck is Dark Side blues rock? You are a fucking idiot.

>>71814327
I'll actually take Eddie Jobson over those 3. Plus he's a terrifyingly good violin player on top of being great on the keys.

It speaks volumes that Jobson unsuccessfully auditioned to replace Tony Carey in Rainbow, but Blackmore didn't want him joining because he was paranoid he'd get upstaged.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VAzkN_qJig

>>71814475
>>71814404
>PF-enjoying embryos are this dense

>>71814369
According to your criteria all of these albums are now "prog rock" :

Unwound - Leaves Turn Inside You
Animal Collective - Spirit They're Gone
Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance
Sun Kil Moon - Benji
The Microphones - The Glow pt. 2
Ween - The Mollusk
My Chemical Romance - The Black Parade
Eagles - Hotel California
Green Day - American Idiot
The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds

>>71812355
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>>71813913
Here's your (((You)))

ITT: Inarticulate retards attempting to defend Meme Floyd and failing miserably
Literally go back to /r/music.

>>71812343
I have tried to listen to Pink Floyd before, I don't get it, so many of their songs are twice as long as they should've been. They sometimes make something that's close to being a song but then it descends into 4 minutes of what sounds like an uninspired, improvised jam.

I guess it's just down to good marketing and then because the older generation revere it, the younger ones try to like it.

>>71814475
Holy shit what the fuck is this?
Are you really that retarded?

DSOTM is literally just a bunch of drawn out blues jams with synthesizers

I like Pink Floyd.

>>71813933
Is Soft Machine prog? They are a damn good band but they really run the line between prog rock and jazz fusion (same with Mahavishnu Orchestra).

>>71815457
>all songs should be three minutes long only
>if there's no words it's not music

get out of here normie.

>>71814196
Mason and Wright were both heavily inspired by Jazz composers. Wright himself has said that countless times.

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>>71812343
I think you mean the Mellotron.

>>71813913
If you made an arbitrary Prog scale, Camel would be at the same place as Pink Floyd.

>>71814011
>Genesis and Floyd are easily the same tier.
you fucking what mate
they are not the same bloody tier
and I don't mean quality of music, I mean prog-wise, music-wise, they are totally different

>>71816408
>implying liking pink floyd isn't the normiest of normieness

>>71814196
This is my first post here, but why are you so opposed to Zappa's music? Are you one of those who simply can't fathom the idea of an album with a sense of humor? I'd argue that Zappa wasn't prog. He was a genre of his own, which very few musicians are able to achieve.

>>71817685
>If you made an arbitrary Prog scale, Camel would be at the same place as Pink Floyd.
It's not real prog if it's not zeuhl or avant-prog, right?

>>71817863
??????????????
They're both """""prog"""" but posting tame prog like Camel while mocking people who like tame prog like Floyd is retarded.

>>71817948
That post wasn't mine. Either way, I don't see anything wrong with liking Pink Floyd and Camel. But I guess because The Dark Side of the Moon was so popular, that's a good enough reason to dismiss Pink Floyd.

>>71817797
I mean, it's more normie than a lot of stuff but certainly not the 'normiest of normieness', are you retarded?

>>71815488
Pretty much every 60/70s rock band had blues influence but Floyd sounds nothing like shit like Stones or Zeppelin

>>71812343
OP here, what the fuck happened to this thread. I wanted to know why prog rock loved the organ so much (and why it died out by the late 70s), not to discuss whether or not PF is a prog band

>>71819325
because organs are trippy

>>71819325
They're rich and dark and classical but can be synthesized.

ITT: butthurt redditors who can't accept that their precious Pink Floyd album isn't progg

>>71819720
ITT: retarded contrarians who think Pink Floyd isn't prog because thery don't like them

>>71819760
You do realize even Rush is in a higher tier than Pink Floyd, right?

>>71812343
there should be more organ in everything.

>>71814588
The Mollusk is prog rock though

>>71814196
>The literal foundation of prog was to reject the heavy blues influences of rock at the time and instead draw influence from jazz and European classical.
Read that one off Wikipedia?

>>71813931
I literally just came in here to post this. Why the fuck can't we discuss Pink Floyd in peace around /mu/ is beyond me.

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Live in Pompeii - Echoes part I is the best song ever.

Prove me wrong.

>>71815488
>On the Run
>Blues jam

>>71812343
This is a great thread OP.

pink floyd is not prog rock

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>>71814196

>>71814323
>>71814404
>>71814475
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>>71822288
ITT: non-arguments

>>71812343
Because it's a good instrument

is alan parsons project consider prog rock or are they too late in the game?

>>71812343
what's the deal with prog rock and cheesiness?

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>>71814369
do you know what progressive rock is?

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>this was supposed to be an organ thread

This thread is full of people shitting on those who deny that DSoTM is prog, but nobody feels like explaining what actually does make them prog.

Except >>71814369
Only this anon has no idea what constitutes prog anyway so it doesn't matter.

Someone actually explain why Pink Floyd should be considered prog without being autistic, and the thread will be less shit. I for one am a huge fan of Pink Floyd, but I have no idea why people consider anything they've ever made to be prog.

>>71824495
They're absolutely prog. Definitely softer prog, but still prog.

>>71814588
>Ween - The Mollusk
I mean, that's actually true. You're right on the other accounts, though, but the Mollusk is pretty damn proggy.

>>71824699
who is this

>>71825387
>>71820216
It has a very obvious prog influence, yes, but the music isn't complex or technical enough to be prog

>>71814196
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Side_of_the_Moon

wew BTFO

>>71827017
>using Wikipedia as a source
>for fucking genre of all things
W E W
L A D

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>>71812355
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>>71814196
Ummm, excuse me?

>>71827200
>if the Internet says it, it must be true

>>71827012
>not complex/technical enough

listen to the mollusk, waving my dick in the wind, and she wanted to leave and then say that lad

>>71827259
what the fuck is 4chan? not internet?

>>71827271
the fuck?
i love ween but those songs aren't technical or complex at all

You're literally autistic or retarded or both if you don't think Pink Floyd is prog

>>71814196
>blues can't be prog!
>Jethro Tull
>literally started as a blues ban

Why do you fuckfaces make these stupid rules up then declare them as such online as if anyone thinks you are right

>>71827654
>presented with facts and evidence
>closes ears and spouts non-arguments and ad hominems
The average Floyd fan, everybody.
>>71827726
Are you retarded? They DID start out as a blues band, then they became prog with Aqualung and Thick as a Brick.

>>71827959
he's saying that just because there's blue elements in a song doesn't mean it can't be prog rock like that other guy said
he's using Jethro Tull as an example because, since it started as a blues band, their prog work was influenced by blues

What's the deal with people thinking that Pink Floyd are Prog Rock?

>>71827959
You're just ignorant of the features of heavily blues-influenced rock if you don't see it in Aqualung and at least certain segments of TAAB.

>>71828076
>in Aqualung
Aqualung was about 75% prog, 25% standard blues rock. Thick as a Brick was their first wholly, 100% prog album.

>>71828109
Do you really not see anything stupid about saying a thing like "75% prog"? The foundation of prog wasn't to "reject the blues influence". It was to build on it and PROGRESS, incorporate other genres, eastern music, jazz, classical, instruments foreign to the genre, all and any of these things. You're talking about a very broad musical movement and trying to pin it down like we're only talking about one scene when there as such varied acts as Gong and Kansas. What happened in the Canterbury scene was vastly different than what happened to groups like Kansas or the other big british groups like King Crimson and Yes and Jethro Tull. At its most basic prog was simply a trend toward more complex arrangements with the focus on music for listening to, as opposed to for dancing. Bands did this for any number of reasons. The roots will always be in 60s rock, which is mostly folk, psychedelic, or blues-based.

>>71828109
There is no "standard" blues rock on Aqualung.

>>71827312
waving my dick is a stretch but i stand by the fact that the other two are very technical

>>71820216
>>71825387
It would be true, but part of the definition of progressive has to relate to the original musical landscape as it was when it was created. If the mollusk came out in 1973 the yes, it would be. But prog has ceased to be anything progressive since then.

I'm not saying I don't love ween, it is just not progressive in 1990+

>>71828596
So you're saying that basically all the "neo-prog" movements like Marillion and such are a sham and that they're actually regressing the genre as a whole by clinging to outdated '70s modes of thought, as with Steven Wilson and TMV and the like, and that the only true "progressive" rock at the moment is math rock and such?
Because I completely agree.

>>71828626
I don't know enough about contemporary music to have any strong opinion on what is being progressive nowadays, but sure. The others aren't necessarily regressing, though. Just not bringing anything new to the table.

>>71828646
I might add, there's nothing wrong with clinging. If you still want to play standard 12-bar blues in 2017 using just a Les Paul goldtop and a harmonica that can be fucking solid. Like wise with the singer-songwriter folk acoustic thing. Just don't claim to be progressive when you're basically milking shit that was perfected 50 years ago.

>>71827726
No argument has been made in this thread that Floyd is not prog.

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>>71815488
>>71815488
>literally just a bunch of drawn out blues jams with synthesizers

lol. speaking of "literally", you literally don't know what the blues are. There is exactly one song on that album that uses a blues progression. One.

I'm endlessly amazed at the lack of interest or knowledge in music theory on this board. This 101 level stuff, kid.

>>71828345
What about them is technical?
Sounds like you're not a musician.

>>71829551
There has, you're just retarded.

>>71830153
Nah. There's been theory ignorant hipsters who don't play music themselves making dumb claims without grounding in either musicology or history. So no, I'm still waiting for an argument. Memes won't cut it.

>>71826479
Steve Walsh

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Whats the deal with prog rock and the organ?

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>>71827148
>>71827200

>>71814196
>The literal foundation of prog was to reject the heavy blues influences of rock at the time and instead draw influence from jazz and European classical.

The foundation of prog was public school guys with classical training trying to be cool and imitate musicians who were heavily-influenced by the blues. I'm a huge prog fan and don't see how you could possibly come up with the idea of progressive ROCK as a rejection of black American musical influences.

it's funny how literally none of these replies are talking about organ usage in prog rock

>>71831524
GOAT

>>71831524
Some of the best organ I've heard in prog. Enveloping.

>>71831524
>>71832541
>>71832633
>“There are several lines that relate to the church. Churchgoers are always fighting about who’s better and who’s richer and who’s more hip. So at the end of the midsection there’s a majestic church organ. We destroy the church organ through the Moog. This leads to another organ solo rejoicing in the fact that you can turn your back on churches and find it within yourself to be your own church.”
Where were you when Jon Anderson BTFO everyone who claimed that Yes songs have no meaning?

>>71832697
well shit. anymore like this? Yes is one of my favorite bands.

>>71832750
http://www.yesworld.com/2012/12/jon-anderson-talks-yes-close-to-the-edge-track-by-track/#AsgmsQi2TvEy6Tpj.99
https://www.amazon.com/Yes-Stories-Their-Own-Words/dp/0312144539
Second is where that quote's from.

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>>71819325
As a Hammond player organ is really cool in prog because of how huge it sounds number one, and you can get millions of sound out of them. Also, no weight on the keys so you can shred them super fast, faster than any piano player and play them by slapping the keys. But a B3 weighs about 300lbs plus a 100lb leslie speaker, and stop being made in 1975

Digital clones exist now that are ooookay, like Nords but imo doesn't compare in the least.

https://clyp.it/iq0iux5b

Link related, prog rock song I made, tons of Hammond B3 organ, with a cranked leslie 122

>>71832404
>Implying /mu/ has ever stayed on topic

>>71821361
goddamn when that funky part comes in, rick kills it on organ, plus the guitar. good memories famalam.

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Pic related at a gig, rarely happens because moving it is a fuss, but is a joy to play

>>71832964
>>71832955
I was a prog pleb who has played piano all my life. Wanted an organ, didn't know they were all that different, bought a Yamaha Electone b-45 for $50. Works like a charm, but sounds nothing like a prog/hammon organ. Feels batman. I put it through guitar rig sometimes though to give it mega distortion like Emerson did.

>>71832985
I basically got the best deal ever on this thing and couldn't afford not to buy it, guitar player for 12 years. Hammond has quickly become my favorite instrument of all time. Its a fucking BEAST in every aspect, nothing gets me more lit up than playing the fucking hammond.

>>71832985
It's worth investing in a leslie pedal, or a modern leslie, that's half the sound

Any clone with drawbars run through a leslie will give you about 85% of the sound you desire

what the floyd did at the end of that album is pure kino. it fused prog with negro spiritual and the mix is just too powerful.

>>71832985
ever tried the native instruments plugin?

>>71832697
I always loved that part and this just makes me love it even more

>>71833082
nah i don't mess too much with midi in general, i've heard good things though, i guess i'm just too much of a purist

once you play a real one, everything pales in comparison, the feel of it is amazing, like driving a space ship or airplane, 100% control over the sound and you can make it slip in any song perfectly

>>71833082
Yeah, but the nativeinstruments plugin is MIDI and honestly it's not that great. I use vintageorgans for every song I make basically with a MIDI controller. Forgive me for not knowing the right words for it, but my organ has no 'MIDI' output, it's like a guitar basically and can only be output into an amp. So I can put it through guitar rig and through a guitar amp to make a distorted noise.

>>71833050
Not sure if you would know, but my organ isn't drawbar as well. It's an electrical organ and the sound can barely be modulated.

>>71833367
a big part of the B3 is being able to manipulate drawbars, gotta work with what you can my dude

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>>71833093
Same. I used to dismiss Yes - and CttE in particular - as worthless wanking nonsensical gibberish shit, the worst of prog. Then I actually tried to read into it, then I came out amazed. I realized that, although I was too much of a shallow closed-minded pleb to see it at the time, there is a meaning behind every lyric, every note.

>>71814196
>the field recordings of rat shit hitting toilet water interspersed with 10-minute-long xylophone solos that Zappa called prog
kek