What's the most influential album of all time /mu/?

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>>71722623

Kind of Blue
Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath

Ramones first album for influencing punk rock to come.

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how autistic are you not to think of this?

>>71722642
see OP

>>71722623
It turns out that lou reed hated the doors and the beatles. I would say that he is being pretentious but naturally he feels jealous that the doors was less complicated (in his opinion) but still got way more recognition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcd9BS2Ty_M

>rock is the only genre

>>71722655
Lucy in The Sky of the Diamonds invented dreampop

>>71722623
SAW 85-92

>>71722757
see OP

>tfw 'the most influential album of all time' has probably already been released despite popular music history still being so fledgling and there being a nigh infinite amount of time left to go

>>71722757
>dreampop

Any good band of?

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>>71722623
Give it 15 more years

>>71722790
How is that dreampop?

>>71722655
Revolver is more influential than that.

>>71722817
As a DGfan I'm telling you to please stop.

>>71722827
As a regular of this board, I'm telling you maybe its time to stop posting.

>>71722841
>n-no u
Ok.

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>>71722623
>>71722655
>>71722817
not even

>>71722655
holy fuck you can't be serious. b8 of this magnitude shouldn't be legal, nor should autism of this magnitude for that matter

>>71722919
Not an argument. Try again.

>>71722623
the first one, OP

probably some Kraftwerk album

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2nd post got it.

>>71722919
>recognizes it's bait
>still gets baited
(???)

>>71722919
Bet you think influence is based only on technique, huh? Not even meaning to imply Sgt Peppers is most influential.

>>71722655
This, by far. It's not even close. The process towards how this album was made is something that changed all recorded music ever since. It's not just about musical styles here, but the process itself. Does a lot of that credit go to George Martin than any of the individual members of the band itself? Yes. But it was still through this album that it happened.

Rock
Is
Not
The
Only
Music

>>71722964
b-but muh underdogs!

>>71722964
>Does a lot of that credit go to George Martin than any of the individual members of the band itself? Yes
I would argue that No. The ideas George martin (and Geoff Emerick) contributed were always prompted and brainstormed by The Beatles themselves. I would argue that they were playing Martin and Emerick as instruments themselves. Credit still goes to JPG&R

808s & Heartbreak.

>>71722637
>>71722941
Black Sabbath invented a genre with this one

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Daily Reminder that this is the correct answer. Released in 1961, everything that unfolded in the late sixties and continuing to the present day can be traced back to a bunch of white people getting obsessed with this record

>>71722655
>>71723020
/thread

>>71723034
You could post every Kanye album

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>>71723127
>One Faustian myth says that he sold his soul to the devil at a local crossroads of Mississippi highways to achieve success.
>everything that unfolded in the late sixties and continuing to the present day can be traced back to a bunch of white people getting obsessed with this record
>mfw Satan is responsible for all modern music

>>71722817
Of all time? No.

But this album is certainly something special. And I think the genius of the production is very understated. The foreboding foreign atmosphere created via sampling being contrasted with commonplace samples such as that of the Beatles and Jimi Hendrix, and even of the band itself was very refreshing for the time. And I think the duality of that is why this album has the potential to become influential. But definitely not most influential of all time, fuck no. It'll probably become like a Paul's Boutique in terms of its effects on the music world, if that.

>>71723158
just stop

>>71722963
sgt pepper's literally takes every interesting idea of psychedelia and garage rock and turns it into what was the Muse of its time. it's like saying green day is influential because a lot of kids who became musicians listened to it

>>71722982
But
Rock
Is
The
Best
Music

>>71722818
Sunday Morning, asstard.

>>71723334
False equivalence, but I'll bite. The Beatles have inspired musicians across a much broader spectrum than the pop punk runoffs Green Day has ""inspired"".

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This popularized the idea of writing an album that consists of your own original material.

/thread

>>71723383
Wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwGSKea-lGw

>>71723416
sure the beatles have. maybe even revolver has done something for psychedelia (not much). but sgt pepper's is the worst possible example

>>71722696
Lou Reed pretentious? Not in the slightest. He even mocked his guitar playing in the interview with Charlie Rose. I know that many people don't see Zappa's sarcasm, but Lou Reed might have been even more sarcastic than him. And he does have a record of not suffering fools and journalists gladly, just as Zappa does.

>>71723420
Half the songs were not their original material

>>71723516
Well yeah, but this album popularized the idea of including your own original work on your album. This was a new idea for popular music when it first released, inspiring other labels to promote bands that write their own original work.

>>71724105
"no"

>>71724120
Prove me wrong?

>>71722744
Shut up faggot boi. Put something for another genre if ur gonna bitch bishh

>>71724225
See >>71723218

>>71722796
:( nooo!!!'

>>71723158
HURR DURR KANYE SUCKS *sarcasm*
Tbh I agree with u

>>71724264
What? That Bob Dylan album came out after the Beatles album. I don't get the point of this comment.

>>71723383
Especially the part where everything goes all reverby at the end . Jesus Christ that guy is a fuckhead

>>71724105
>This was a new idea for popular music when it first released, inspiring other labels to promote bands that write their own original work.
You are referencing Freewheelin Bob Dylan, not Please Please Me. Because Dylan wrote all fop Frewheelin, and The Beatles didn't write all of PPM

>>71724323
>Because Dylan wrote all fop Frewheelin
>The Beatles didn't write all of PPM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

>>71724362
How is this a strawman?

>>71724299
it's insane that chuck berry died this week and you still consider your point relevant. also jazz existed in an album format comprised solely of original material long before the beatles or chuck berry. also i'm not mentioning dozens of berry's contemporaries

>>71724379
I said Please Please Me popularized the idea of including an artist's original work on their albums.

You are arguing that I am wrong, since the Beatles didn't write all the songs on Please Please Me. I said that it inspired "other labels to promote bands that write their own original work", not artists that make records that consist of ALL their original work.

>>71724401
The Beatles were not the first, but they popularized the idea. They did it on a bigger level that Chuck Berry did not.

>>71724431
>I said Please Please Me popularized the idea of including an artist's original work on their albums.
Wrong. you said
>This popularized the idea of writing an album that consists of your own original material.
Now you are backpedaling.

>>71724487
>but they popularized the idea
Wrong. They got it from Buddy Holly. Hence Buddy Holly popularized it

>>71722655

Okay, somebody name ONE musical thing that this album innovated before anybody else.

>>71724581
Nice goalpost shifting

>>71722982
no one gives a fuck about anything else you insufferable faggot

if people cared about other genres they would be talking about them

>>71724548
Yes I did say "This popularized the idea of writing an album that consists of your own original material", and my point still stands.If you cant understand what I meant by that,


I clarified what I meant in my first reply. Which I'm assuming you responded too, and argued regardless...

>>71724431
you're still wrong though. the beach boys did that first if you want someone analogous to the beatles. if your only argument is 'yeah but the beatles were more popular' then you're just like every beatles fan thinking of reasons to give them unjust value

>>71724651
>I clarified what I meant in my first reply.
No you changed the word "consists" to "includes" so you could be right.

Or maybe know the meanings of words before you use them?

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>>71723219
>foreboding foreign atmosphere

>>71724659
> This popularized the idea of writing an album that consists of your own original material.
> popularized

> http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/popularize

> if your only argument is 'yeah but the beatles were more popular

>>71724721
Can't prove wrong, must attack grammer

>>71722757
Nothing That Has Happend Has Been Anything We Could Control is literally the 2010s Lucy in the Sky

>>71724761
>Can't prove wrong
I already did here >>71723516

>>71724743
being more popular as an entity doesn't mean the same as popularizing an idea.

>>71724802
and yet you replied to >>71724105

>>71724850
Oh is that the post where you backpedaled or the post you admit you misspoke?

>>71724819
Being popular helps popularize something. The Beatles were huge, prompting other labels to find artists that write their own work.

>>71724581
See>>71722964

>>71724819
it's like you're pretending the beatles were original in that pursuit though. they literally gained their fame off of chuck berry covers and copying the beach boys' image. if the beatles were able to gain popularity by copying others, it's obvious those others had enough originality in the first place to popularize the the idea. like everything else they did, their "popularizing" was just comparatively more people knowing their name. the beatles' image was meticulously crafted by people who knew the idea was already popularized

>>71724870

This one >>71724105

The one you quoted in your reply, and still tried to argue regardless. You clearly read it >>71724362

"Cant win argument, attack grammar".

>>71724943
You didn't answer my question. Are you backpedaling or did you just misspeak?

I addressed your original argument.

>>71724927
Never said it was the Beatle's original idea. Never said they were the first. You can popularize something without it being your original idea.

I copy Death Grips' sound and become as popular as Drake. Death Grips were an originator, and I popularized the sound, maybe I even inspired other labels to sign artists that sound like Death Grips.

>>71724927
>they literally gained their fame off of chuck berry covers
The songs Please Please Me and I Wanna Hold Your hand were chuck Berry covers?
>copying the beach boys' image
The Beatles had a surfing/driving image?

>>71724979
I suppose I worded that poorly, but you responded to >>71724105 with >>71724323 and you still continue to reply.

Including to ignore >>71724105 in >>71724548 when I said
>>71724431

>>71724875

Not a good redirect. That post basically says "Trust me guys a lot changed" without explaining what changed, except that George Martin was involved.

>>71725004
your mistake is thinking death grips aren't popular enough for literally anyone to copy them. popularize loses all meaning in that scenario too

>>71725127
>and you still continue to reply.
Because I don't respond to backpedaling
>I suppose I worded that poorly
Are you saying you misspoke?
>Including to ignore >>71724105 in >>71724548 (You) when I said >>71724431
That's because See >>71724721

>>71725183
>your mistake is thinking death grips aren't popular enough for literally anyone to copy them.

Not what I said. Death Grips is popular, but they are not Drake level. If someone copied them and became Drake level, that person popularized their sound.

>>71725212
>Because I don't respond to backpedaling
So you admit you know I'm not backpedaling, and you're attacking my grammer just to win the argument.

>>71725265
>So you admit you know I'm not backpedaling
No I have been asking you again and again, are you backpedaling or did you misspeak?

You won't answer directly. Just answer the question. Which is it?
>and you're attacking my grammer
I'm not. You are not being clear
>just to win the argument.
Again, I already did on my first post

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>>71722623

>>71725217
your logic is flawed

>>71723127
Robert Johnson recorded only 20 songs, but with them influenced so many artists that were to come (in 60's especially) that it's mind-blowing when you think about it. And yet, so little is known about his life.

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For Doom/Stoner metal for sure

>>71725313
> So you admit you know I'm not backpedaling
> No I have been asking you again and again, are you backpedaling or did you misspeak?
> You won't answer directly. Just answer the question. Which is it?

You're just looking to win the argument at this point. I've clarified what I said multiple times.

>>71725386
K

>>71725440
Show me where you said "I misspoke"
>You're just looking to win the argument at this point
You're not?

>>71725472
> Show me where you said "I misspoke"
> Give me the response I want

> You're not?
At least I'm self aware

>>71725525
Here's your (You)

Thanks for playing

>>71722696
>I would say that he is being pretentious but naturally he feels jealous that the doors was less complicated
Lou Reed is one of the least pretentious artists in rock, he literally tuned every string on his guitar the same and wrote the lyric "sucking on my ding dong." he hardly took his career or himself seriously.

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UK Primary School Discos wouldn't be same without these lads

>>71725631
>he literally tuned every string on his guitar the same and wrote the lyric "sucking on my ding dong."
And then he did that for like 20 fucking minutes

>>71725594
Are you saying you misspoke

>>71725712
Nope.

>>71725764
Sounds like your backpedaling

>>71725783
How so?

>>71725894
It's pretty obvious by now

>>71725940
How am I backpedaling? If it's obvious you could show us.

>>71722623

It was TVUN or Neu! honestly.

>>71725980
Wow, you pretty much just proved it yourself

Here >>71725980

>>71726048
Are you even the guy I was arguing with

>>71726064
You'll never know

>>71726098
I'll also never care

Goodbye

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Like it or not, this and 808's changed pop forever

>>71726151
How so?

>>71726144
Oh I see.

Yeah, I can see you don't care. That's why I reply to comments stating "I don't care". I need to let people know that "I don't care". But like I would care about them knowing that.

>>71726151
Never heard of it

>>71725660
kek
it's a good song though

>>71726267
Yeah I know

It was also pretentious and intended to be art

>>71722802
Beach house