Grime =/= Hip-Hop

>>71681437
why make a second thread?

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Everyone knows this, ignore the baiters.

>>71681454
all that proves is that your Jamaican's ripped off our Jamaicans
HOW ARE BRITS THIS FUCKING STUPID

>>71681504
Go bait 9gag, you're an idiot

>>71681532
grime is really really shitty hip-hop idk what to tell you mate

>>71681437
grime =/= music

>>71681559
Its not a hip-hop subenre
Not all MCing is hip-hop

>>71681504
>all that proves is that your Jamaican's ripped off our Jamaicans
Nah, our Jamaicans ripped off Jamaican-Jamaicans, same as yours.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_ZDPMwrPDM

Grime = UK hip-hop

>absolutely no grime in the 70s, 80s or 90s
>suddenly in the early 2000s grime begins to appear
>'there's absolutely no influence from hip-hop guys! Grime developed completely independently since the 70s!'

Grimefags are insufferable.

>>71681985
What is uk garage and jungle then?

>>71682000
different kinds of 'electronic'
are you actually fucking retarded

>>71682000

Not grime. They're their own independent genres. Both genres are still around.

>>71682000
EDM genres that have nothing to do with grime

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ayyyyyyyyyy lmao

>>71682037
>>71682043
>>71682055
Grime came directly out of uk garage and developed side by side with dubstep (being interchangeable at one point early on).

The MC influence comes from Jamaican soundclash culture being applied to raves and pirate radio over the course of uk dance music's progression in the 1990s including jungle and garage leading up to grime.

It didn't come out of hip-hop.

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>>71682089
>all that stupid shit you just typed
mmmmmmm

>>71682089
Literally what are you talking about you retarded faggot

>>71681437
AND THANK GOD BECAUSE THEY BOTH FUCKING SUCK, BUT SOMEHOW GRIME FUCKING MANAGES TO SUCK EVEN HARDER

FUCK OFF

>>71681908
we aren't talking about reggae you fucking dork

>>71682089

>The MC influence comes from Jamaican soundclash culture

Why did it take so long for grime to add MCing to uk garage/jungle when their supposed influence was toasting that has been around since the 70s?

Your grime origin story is nothing but a myth. Hip-hop records made the rounds all around the world during the 90s so some UK DJs tried their hand at rapping.

Your story would make a bit more sense if there was any grime prior to hip-hop blowing up but no, it conveniently appeared after hip-hop made the rounds. The most critically acclaimed grime album was released in fucking 2003.

>>71681941
To outsiders/the mainstream maybe, but grime was way different from hip hop in the early days, and UK hip hop had been going for years before grime. Grime came from jungle/garage/dubstep. I guess because grime became the sound of the street in the uk, any rappers that became popular were then called grime. But it kind of means actual grime is lost as a genre to what should just be called uk rap/hip hop - that's why people get uppity about it.

>>71682089
garage came directly out of house and techno and dancehall and dub of jamaica.

hip hop came directly out of house and techno and deancehall and dub of jamaica and the caribean.

theyre connected in a lot ways no denying that. doesnt mean they are the same things tho. music is complicated and a rhizome not necessarily a super easy structure where things branch off from one source. its complicated and interwoven

>>71682055
>EDM

pardners are really this stupid

>>71682194
You were literally talking about copying toasting you grade a dunce.

>>71682226
>Why did it take so long for grime to add MCing to uk garage/jungle when their supposed influence was toasting that has been around since the 70s?

Rave MCing had been a thing since the late 80s idiot

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>>71682226
>he's never heard of a garage MC

Listen to the instrumentals, the Rapping isn't hip hop but u can mix Grime and certain Hip Hop very easily

>>71682226
what grime album is that

>>71682306
Treddin on Thin Ice

>>71682226
>Why did it take so long for grime to add MCing to uk garage/jungle when their supposed influence was toasting that has been around since the 70s?
But MCing has been around since the late 80s, which matches the beginning of UK club culture and the emergence of hardcore. Obviously Soundsystem culture was a thing in the UK as well, since there were many, many Jamaican immigrants.
You might be familiar with the Jah Shaka Soundsystem which was around during the 70s, it famously appeared in the film Babylon.

But obviously only a fool would deny that grime is unrelated to hip-hop, if you consider that Wiley himself considers it to be hip-hop.

>>71682324
Treddin was 2004 m80

but yeah it's leagues ahead of Boy In Da Corner

>>71682398
Haha that was my point it just defines that period better for me

>>71682398
i like wiley but that albums a bit shit imo

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If /bleep/ and /bleep/ music were banned from /mu/ the board IQ would rise from 82% to 112%, even with Death Grips and k-pop rampant.

>>71682418
I FINK IM GOIN MAD M8

>>71682455
i can tell you're retarded, but if you ban /bleep/ the median age of /mu/ will go from 16 to 12 or smth like that.

>>71682455
I mean yeah

They listen to fucking EDM

>>71682418
I used to think that then i realised BITD is just Dizzee spitting Radio lyrics in every song

Its like comparing Skepta's Greatest Hits album to Konnichiwa

>>71682388
>But MCing has been around since the late 80s, which matches the beginning of UK club culture and the emergence of hardcore.
Also there was UK hip hop since the 80s, which was its own distinct entity - and still is really.

Jesus christ, why are you all replying to this weakass bait ffs

>>71682525
I FINK I'M LOSING MY MIND

>>71681794
this
jesus christ this thread is full of people who consider rap a genre

>>71682133
how does this prove anything

>>71682610

>Also there was UK hip hop since the 80s

lol

>>71682455
>%
my nigga take a nap you are acting retarded