Why does he hate Aphex Twin so much?

racism

>post-african repetitions

what did he mean by this?

For some background - this is how he was thinking, he was really into Aurobindo for a while

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-AetEtL42M

And I like how he BTFO'd that guy, even if he had to invoke le ubermensch to get there

>>71596130
How most western pop music is based around a looping rhythm or "groove"

It comes from African & African-influenced music (e.g. Jazz & the blues)

>>71596104
He's jealous he can't make good Electronic music without it sounding like a robot vomiting ramen noodles underwater.

>>71596403
that would probably sound p good tbqh

>>71596184
What the fuck is he saying? Does he even understand what he's saying? How is any of this related to the guy's question? How euphoric can a human being be?

>>71596538
it relates in this way

>is electronic music dehumanising?

>no, humans are just changing

IMO he was right, but that won't be clear for some time

>>71596622
He changed the subject. What a fucking dolt.

>>71596104
He didn't. Aphex has spoken positively recently about meeting him.

>>71597426
not really, it all depends on how you define human
if you think it's just your flesh and bood then you will probably never see what he's getting at

>there are people ITT who don't know who Karlheinz Stockhausen is and think he is an idiot
return to /r/indieheads pls and thank you

>>71597497
He makes non music. And people eeat it up.

Isn't this the guy who applauded terrorists and celebrated the death of thousands of Americans?

>>71598109
Yes, and he did kind of have a point in calling 9/11 the greatest performance piece of our time

>>71598109
Why WOULDN'T you applaud the death of thousands of burgers?

>>71598109
He didn't celebrate it tard

Because he's poor man Philip Glass

>>71596104
Stockhausen is a genius, but ignore about 95% of the stuff he says. I'm somewhere between thinking he does it for shock value and that he's actually insane

>>71598826
1. He's dead since 2007, he doesn't say anything anymore
2. He was an eccentric and saw the world differently

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>"I was educated at Sirius and want to return to there, although I am still living in Kürten near Cologne." ~K. S.

>>71598770
Lmao kys

>>71598970
>"I was educated at Sirius and want to return to there
https://youtu.be/aj7Znz_5NrA?t=177

>>71596104

Creatives who are one generation older commonly resent the successes of creatives who are one generation younger. The reason why this is so, is because the older generation are old enough and have been in the game long enough that they catch all the little tricks and references that are in the younger person's work, and they know that this stuff has been done before, even if the pleb audience of today doesn't. It hits especially hard when the younger guy is biting stuff from your own playbook.

This resentment of the older against the younger requires the older to have a blind spot to their own copying and cribbing of ideas, which inevitably happens in any human endeavor - original ideas are very, very rare, and even when they do happen, they still require copypasta-ing of lots of different things to crop up.

This is why plagarism from one source is "bad", while plagarism from multiple sources is research. People get really really buttmad about this stuff, especially when they have an opportunity to monetize around their own authorshitp, only for someone else to have done same.

>>71599261
Aphex Twin is just dumbed down, has nothing to do with imaginary bias, kid.

>>71599423
dumbed down what?

>>71599528
Well in your analogy Aphex is the successor to Stockhausen (blatantly wrong and stupid but). It follows that his comparatively basic understanding of rhythm, harmony, and timbre makes him a dumbed down comparison.

Are there any modern composers with a more brilliant feel for rhythm than Stockhausen?

>>71599584
There are no modern brilliant music composers. Modern art music is dog shit and Stockhausen is a prime example of that.

>>71599629
Name 5 other current composers in Classical music that are not Steve Reich, Philip Glass, or Terry Riley

>>71599629

>not loving Max Richter

>>71596104
talentless hack

>>71599655

>implying Steve Reich, Philip Glass and Terry Riley are musicians

Lena Auerbach
Thierry Escaich
Bruno Mantovani
John Adams
Dalbavie

>>71599693
>listing off a bunch of literal whos
RYM education huh? You couldn't think of Harrison Birtwistle, Esa Pekka Salonen, Wolfgang Rihm, Nico Muhly, etc.?

John Adams is the only one you mentioned with any significance.

>>71599551
oh nevermind I should've said I didn't write that. I agree that he's not a successor to Stockhausen in a strict sense.

>>71599736
Lmao, just, read books plz.
Not my fault if you ignore great musicians you retarded burger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbODiitFF9I

You'd better check this man and talk after. (This is an improvisation)

Stockhausen did nothing wrong

>>71599793
This is garbage

>>71599655
Pfff...

Donald Erb.
Wayne Peterson.
Einjojani Rautavaraa (or however it's spelled).
Larry Austin.
Arvo Part.

>>71599793
>This is an improvisation
Yeah, same with any composer.
Every great piece of music comes from improvisation, that's the creative process you mong.
Just because one composer can put it out on keyboard for everyone to hear doesn't make them an exceptional composer.

>>71599832
3 literal whos, a dead composer, and a composer who hasn't written anything significant in 10+ years.
Brilliant m8, you sure know modern classical music.

>>71599832
Can you link a good example piece from one of them for someone ignorant like me?

>>71599832
Rautavaara passed away last year

>>71599842

Calm down man

>>71599877
I'm just saying, this is modern classical music taste on /mu/. Obscurophiles who seek out RYM or /mu/ credibility and shun the actual geniuses because their work is 2deep4them.

It's legitimately infuriating to see people dismiss contemporary classical music when they don't understand any of the music that actually represents it.

>>71599736
You asked for 5 composers miserable cunt. Glad yo read you're cultivated man! Great job!

>>71599892
Why dismiss contemporary classical music when you barely understand it beyond your bubble of taste acquisition?

>>71599886
No, I live in a country where their work is critically acclaimed. No attempt to act like a "2deep4u" guy here

>>71599842
Your point being, faggot? I can name 5 more if you like. It's still awful music for braindead, tone-deaf poseurs.

>>71599855
>wanting to listen to shit music
Wew. Here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nA1vpQKKAE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLjXgV-Mhp0

>>71599681
>namedropping Max Richter

someone has been browsing p4k these days

>>71599938
On the contrary, it's music for people who can actually read a score to something like The Shadow of Night or Angel Fighter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paMuGcC777U

how did i know this thread would devolve into comparing dick sizes

>>71599983
Post a video that works first lol

>>71600001
Oh, I guess you live in a 3rd world country?

>>71600007
i live in canada

>>71600020
tru

>>71600001
>tfw off by one

>>71600007
No man, France, but it does not work

>>71600020
Weird. It's Harrison Birtwistle's "Angel Fighter." Here's another link that contains BBC commentary beforehand:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfigNshC9Wk

>>71599983
I could read scores before you could read letters. Like I said, you a total philistine and a poseur. You don't care for music. You just want to accumulate wank points. Thank you for using a trip by the way. Easy to deal with.

>>71600037
Why there is always brass staccatos in contemporary music? Is it a meme?

>>71600046
All I'm saying is I have offered proof of my credibility, and you have just offering vapid insults. I think it's clear which one of us has knowledge to fall back on

>>71600062
lol, all contemporary music is a meme m8.
If I had a time machine I wouldn't go back in time to kill Hitler. I'd go back in time to kill Messiaen.

>>71600046
Or maybe one of the listed composers' son. He brands him like if they were Apple products. Not a humble musician behaviour

>>71600062
I mean it's a good timbre. Woodwind staccatos lack bite whereas Brass carries weight and an impressive timbral effect.

>>71600073
Lol, i do not give a fuck to your so-called "credibility" we're on internet man.
Get a life and learn

>>71600122
At least I can see the future in music (and my career) while you clearly seem lost in life and modern/contemporary music.

>>71600087
Thanks man. Appreciate your knowledge!!!! Didn't know that!!!!!
Can we make staccatos with drum sticks? Please give me an answer!

Let's be serious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0HksZpmuiY

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>>71600122
not only are we on the internet (as if the setting is relevant anyway) but we're on a *discussion forum* and you should probably know what you're talking about before participating in a *discussion forum*

>>71600139
Post one of your compositions.

>>71600073
I gave you 5 examples and the first thing you did was complain that you didn't recognise 3 of them. Ba-dum-tss? I am more familiar than I'd like to be with contemporary classical. I wish I could forget this shit. I've been swimming through it since the early 1990s trying, hoping to find a good composer. It doesn't fucking exist. Sometime in the last 70 years classical music just died somehow. It's all either phantasmagorically simplistic or various shades of pseudointellectual masturbation.

>>71600167
Composition isn't my job nor do I want to be a composer, so I have no interest in sharing my fun projects that would receive ire from someone clearly only looking to criticize.
>>71600182
I mean I really don't know what to say other than either:
1. You don't understand music on a technical level in order to appreciate these musics.
2. Your taste in music prefers the simplistic due to an immature or outdated worldview.

>>71600154
Well you asked if its a meme, and I responded "Yeah but what's wrong with it really"
Staccatos are in common across contemporary music

Next time should I not answer your sarcastic questions?

(love Gesualdo though)

>>71600219
Well could you find a post where I criticized one of the composers you mentionned?

I must admit that I'm not a huge fan of contemporary music, probably because i'm still stuck in the music of Prokofieff, Gesualdo, Rachmaninoff, Bach among others. Modern composers will come after. I'm young, I have the time to explore what I want to explore.

>>71600266
To be clear, I assumed everyone responding to my query was in the same boat as: >>71599629

If you aren't part of his crew then I have no quarrel. I totally understand taking your time with your studies and I think it actually would be harmful for people to start with Feldman/meme and Stockhausen.

>>71596104
Excellent post, well done

>>71600288
Just, please do not be as pretentious as some modern music lovers are. It does not serve your/ our/their? cause.

>>71600288
That said, i'm gonna investigate and take the time to check the one you listed. Please do the same job for my list and who you called the "literally whos"

>>71600314
It's all just shitposting online. There's not much point trying to have a qualitypost argument here because it won't be reciprocated.

That being said, I haven't yet met a critic of contemporary classical music that wasn't either cherrypicking examples without even understanding them (a la "Piss Christ shows art is dead") or having some flawed argument about art aesthetics that relies on beliefs from 500 years ago ("Art is beauty and if it isn't beautiful it isn't art").

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>>71600346
boldfaure do you exercise

>>71600370
I do appreciate you cat pictures

>>71600370
I'm not fat or overweight in the slightest if that's what you're curious of, Punished Sal.

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>>71600383
nice
>>71600385
no i was asking because i started exercising recently and i was wondering if you're into it

>>71600314
>modern music lovers
>not pretentious
Modern music is *nothing but* a status game. A collection of in-jokes. Just like postmodernist philosophy (Lacan, Derrida etc), gender studies, and all the other assorted post-WWII intellectual abominations. The more music theory you know, the more obvious this becomes.

>>71600416
Ahhhh we finally have a PJW adherent in the thread!

>>71600412
I probably should be into it for better luck with women but at this point that's not very good motivation for me.

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>>71600416

>>71600346
Typical 2 digit IQ liberal arts major, or some equally dumb weedlmaoXD.
>muh everything is a narrative
>aesthetics has nothing to do with beauty, screw the fact that this makes no bloody sense, "my" logic is beyond "your" logic
>you're wrong because [current year]

>>71600461
see >>71600420

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>>71600437
it feels good man. i don't look to women for inspiration personally but it's still a good goal. exercise can help build confidence if that's what you're having trouble with.

>>71600461
http://www.strawpoll.me/12539384

>>71600489
>exercise can help build confidence if that's what you're having trouble with.
Nah I'm fairly confident but when the object of attraction is a fitness instructor (and musician, I'm not totally without standards) it would certainly help to not be some lanky white guy

>>71600489
what if you're not having trouble with confindence, but just once in a while you have a night where all the bad feels come back and you can't stand it and get drunk and then vomit the next morning?

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>>71600521
ohh
how tall are you

>>71600533
those are feelings you gotta let out man, drowning them in alcohol does nothing but postpone, and potentially exasperate if you're drinking often.

>>71600470
>>71600420
What does Peter J. Weinberger have to do with modern classical? Is this another pretentious piggy-backing attempt at relevance?

>>71600582
you mean paul joseph watson
idiot

Doomie-Treskit

>>71600613
Oh, so that's what PJW stands for? Sorry, I'm not that familiar with the latest alt-right personality figures. No, I'm not a "PJW" adherent at all. I just have a brain, good knowledge and a keen enough sense of observation to spot the obvious.

>>71600679
>I just have a brain, good knowledge and a keen enough sense of observation to spot the obvious.
but do you think girls butt cracks are cute

>>71600521
I was agree with your tastes on RYM but, fuck, you love Steve Reich man and talk about stravinsky in the same sentance. What can I do for you?

>>71600698
Are you the /classical/ shitposter

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>>71600689
I'm more of a legs man myself. Speaking of which, they are a much better subject for the thread than Stockhausen's sonorous vomit.

Post legs and ass cracks. Weeb friendly to piss off the goons.

>>71600720
who's that guy?

>>71600720
I do not shitpost, btw I rarely intervene on 4chan. I lurk

>>71600746
The person who posts literal nonsense

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>>71600730
>I like stockhausen
>I masturbate to anime characters

you can't make me upset friend

>>71600764
In what consists your job?

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>>71600730
>Stockhausen's sonorous vomit
what do you think of his electronic music

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>>71600720
>>71600764
don't you ignore me

imagine being so dope that even your vomit was sonorous

>>71600839
Can you make an archive with your pictures?

>>71600852
yea gimme a minute

>>71600814
Some of the effects sound interesting, but like the rest of his music, it's structurally worthless. A giant sample factory for vapid pop music, basically. The proof is in the pudding.

>>71600852
thanks man i'll check tommorow

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>>71600887
so i take it you aren't a fan of schoenberg

He thought Sept 11 was a work of art

this thread reminds me of a chatline

>>71600900
Everything he did before his 12-tone bullshit is on the whole forgettable, and pretty much everything he did after is sonorous vomit or sonorous shitting, so no.

>>71599832
Pffffftttt....


Waldemar Kretschmann
Želimirka Wazçewsky
Lyn Aras
J. Ÿ. Grās
Gösun Kyffhäuser

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>>71600991
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZlB2tRyvQw
you're telling me you don't like this ?

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>>71598442
obligatory.

>>71601071
I wouldn't even use it as incidental music.

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>>71598109
Ahh... If only his music were as good as his shitposting. A man can dream, right?

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>>71600346

Why do morons not understand Stockhausen?