why should a person use Spotify ?

Why should a person not?

because it's good

Has most albums you want to listen to. Is a good product over all.

Why would I not? It's cheap, I can have all the shit in the same place which I can listen on different devices and I don't have to go through hassle of pirating.

Spergs on /mu/ are literally only ones that can't see Spotify's qualities.

i was a spotify-anti for the longest time until my friend let me borrow his premium thing for a while. i have my own now, it's dope

Literally doesn't have any of the music I listen to on it. Overpriced considering I can find the same exact songs on soundcloud and youtube. Useless service.

>>71573355
What kind of music do you listen to then? Spotify has tons of obscure shit.

You can listen to lots of music without having to go out and buy it all

>>71573173
>>71573207
>>71573309
why should i use Spotify instead of Soulseek ?

>>71573355
Some bands don't have (nearly) any of their music on YT and SC, such as the Beatles and Kendrick Lamar.

>>71573378
are you one of those >muh FLACs faggots

>>71573378
Morals, responsibility, the list goes on. By definition you are devaluing the music you claim to appreciate. Do you want to choose to stop violating people's rights or do you want to be forced to?

>>71573397
Spotify offers lossless

>>71573166
You shouldn't. TayTat is not on it.

>>71573403
i don't even know what the fuck that means. 192kbps and up from that there's literally no difference anyway that you can hear.

I love to use it in combination with Soulseek.
Not on Spotify? Soulseek. Even then, Spotify gives a shit ton of options for quick to access music. Especially on my phone.

>>71573309
>pirating
>a hassle
Pick one.

>>71573362
This, I listen to a lot of 90s indie/noise and almost everything is there. Their recommended/artist radio algorithm is great for finding new stuff too.

Only annoying aspect is certain albums inexplicably missing from artists.

>>71573378
If you're a poorfag then you can at least support your favorites just a little bit with some streams. Why would you steal?

It's convenient. When you're walking down the street and remember some artist that you haven't listened to in a while you can just play his/her/their stuff on Spotify VERY easily. Can you download shit from Soulseek when you're on the move?

Wide selection and good playlists for discovering new stuff which are created based on YOUR listening habits.

>>71573441
More of a hassle than typing a few letters to search bar and hitting the play button.

>>71573433
Yeah it's like how I love to use my textbooks in combination with cheating off the person next to me.

OP here. i'm considering migrating to Spotify, as i think the idea of semiphysical ownership of music is outdated, and i'm starting to get tired of looking at how much i've filled my hardware with stuffs i don't listen to anymore, and tidying my music folders, erasing etc etc, i think music should just be streaming so that it doesn't take up spaces anymore, as i also am considering changing to Macbook (which has a lot less storage).

but i still can't get over the fact that it's $10 per month.

>>71573469
It's free on desktop

>>71573458
>Why would you steal?
Stealing implies someone loses something
>inb4 "muh potenshul sales"
People who pirate music probably would not have bought it in the first place.

>>71573469
You can use the free version on desktop. There isn't much of a difference, just a 30-second ad every 5 songs or so.

>>71573472
elaborate?

>>71573472
yeah but it still feels limited compared to the premium

>>71573474
Ok then cheat, violate, etc. Why would you knowingly violate someone's rights? Are you a monster?

>>71573479
See >>71573478.

>>71573478
I dont even get the ads. Am I using ad block or something? I swear I didn't do anything.

>>71573479
the free desktop version is alright but there are ads. with phone i think you have limited skips per hour and all of the stuff is played on shuffle

>>71573469
10 bucks is nothing for a month of unlimited access to practically all published music in history.

>>71573469
How is it 10 dollars? I pay 6.99 euros which equals 7.44 dollars.

>>71573494
Yeah, the mobile version is unusable free. They also occasionally change to another random musician. Was showing a friend Daniel Johnston and it went to Katy Perry, even though I had never listened to her on Spotify.

Free desktop is great though.

>>71573489
>unlimited access to practically all published music in history.
I think you're giving it a little too much credit.

>>71573503
That changes from country to country.
We pay 3.72 US dollars.

>>71573513
I think you replied to the wrong person.

>>71573514
Lucky bastards.

>>71573514
Hmm okay. Either way it's like this guy said >>71573502

10 bucks is nothing to get access to such an amount of music.

>>71573513
i said practically, ie. it's very rare to not find what you're looking for

>>71573520
I think I did too.

>>71573522
Yeah, not living in a first world country really makes me lucky.

>>71573510
BUSTED

You can lie to your friends but can't lie to Spotify.

>>71573355
>Literally doesn't have any of the music I listen to on it

Don't worry, as far as I know Spotify has everything that Fantano and Pitchfork review so you should find everything you want to find ;)

>>71573583
It doesn't have Macintosh Plus - Floral Shoppe, which Fantano reviewed.

>>71573705
yeah but why would you listen to that

>>71573502
This

OP here. i just found out that it's actually Rp 60.000 in my country ($5). i think as soon as i get a job and my own credit card, i'll migrate to Spotify. can't use parents' money again.

i downloaded some mp3s the other day and i felt like a dinosaur

spotify is the way to go. would've loved to have it when i was younger!

>>71573791
>would've loved to have it when i was younger

Man, kids these days probably don't even understand what it was like to sit next to the radio ready to press that record button when your favorite song came on... and then the fucking DJ ruined everything by talking over the song.

>>71573791
No need to feel like a dinosaur. A lot of bands are on Bandcamp but not spotify . It lets you listen for free for awhile but then locks you out and you have to buy the file. I think the band decides how many times you can hear it free.

>>71573804
Or if the record store didn't have it then it basically didn't exist.

>>71573378
i started using soulseek
went to spotify because they had 3 months premium 1€
started using both
now i only use soulseek to get the few albums i wanna listen but are not on spotify, pretty happy overall

>>71573804
>and then the fucking DJ ruined everything by talking over the song.

I think that was the point. Record labels were terrified of bootlegging so DJs "watermarked" everything.

>>71573846
Yeah it's like how I study even more than I should for exams so if I don't know an answer I just copy it off the people around me. One time this guy got pissed and told me to quit and I just said stop me faggot. Last I heard of it. Lol such a beta pussy. Wtf does he care? We dont even have a grading curve. What a fucking autistic queer.

>>71573173
>Why should a person not?
Because not everyone likes renting music. Also, good luck listening to Spotify if you're in an area which doesn't have good network coverage.

>>71573413
http://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/02/411473508/how-well-can-you-hear-audio-quality

what cd died and the new trackers have pretty bad selection and i dont want to go through the ratio grind again

>>71573892
Spotify has offline access.

>>71573892
I don't think of it as renting at all. $120 for an entire year of countless albums. That same amount would allow me to literally own about 10 albums and that's even being generous. Cost analysis dictates that it's not renting.

>>71573907
BTFO

And apparently somebody is play in g some game. New Magnetic Fields got released but only for 12 hours so apparently if you downloaded it then you got it. I don't really see how that works since you aren't technically downloading but that's what someone here said.

Nevermind, spotify got magnetic fields again. I think it was just some agreement with npr while they streamed it so spotify yanked it for tbose few days.

>>71573907
>>71573923
You can have up to 3,333 songs available for offline listening, on a maximum of 3 different devices.

Note:You do need to go onto the internet at least once every 30 days to maintain your offline music settings.

Still not better than pirating.

>>71573956
It's better than pirating because it doesn't literally devalue the music you claim to appreciate.

>>71573956
Not to mention that it's not available worldwide.
https://support.spotify.com/us/account_payment_help/subscription_information/full-list-of-territories-where-spotify-is-available/

>>71573975
>It's better than pirating because it doesn't literally devalue the music you claim to appreciate.
What? What's that supposed to mean? Do you think that streaming services are the main source of income for musicians?
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music-artists-earn-online/
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/03/how-much-musicians-make-spotify-itunes-youtube

>>71573980
So everywhere apart from the middle east? I think they have bigger things to worry about than Spotify coverage.

>>71574006
Might wanna check out a dictionary while you're at it. Start with the word value.

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>>71574016
>Everywhere apart from the Middle East

>>71574024
If I was going to read a dictionary, why would I start at the v-words? You might want to check out an alphabet. Start with the letter A.

>>71574050
Damn...

>>71574045
Furthers my point. All poverty or war ridden nations (bar Russia) that would rather be fed than have a spotify subscription.

>>71574070
>bar Russia
Russia in in poverty.

>>71574070
Sure. And it also furthers my point:
>>71573956

>>71573494
You can block the ads on the desktop.
>>71573399
>responsibility
To whom and for what?

>>71574079
Poor, not poverty.

Poverty is living with multiple other families in a tiny shack built from garbage like many people do in the CAPITAL of India.

>>71574094
See
>>71573975

And that's just for starters. Bandcamp literally nullifies the entire piracy debate if it could have even been called a debate. You are directly violating musicians because if they want you to have FLAC for free then they will provide it on Bandcamp. There is literally nothing to debate except how severe the consequences will be.

>>71574108
Than the most part of countries where Spotify is not available is slightly poor, not poverty-ridden.

>>71574110
you do realize that the most common criticism against Spotify is that it literally devalues the music, right?
they're fucking jews who don't pay shit to the artists

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>>71574110
>There is literally nothing to debate except how severe the consequences will be.
My fucking sides
Never change, american normalfags

>>71574045
>not available in third world countries

shocking

>>71574119
You have no idea what youre talking about let alone the meaning of the words. Spotify has paid literally FIVE BILLION DOLLARS to copyright holders you have purchased the copyright from the musician for wind of money which is not really any of our business. What you are referring to is royalties. That is simply a different and additional payment. However even if it was 0.0001 cent per song then that is more than pirating it. Which is the question. Not comparing spotify to forcing a blind buy purchase which is what Drag City is doing for example because they feel Spotify devalues music. And they're wrong because they are part of a market whether they like it or not and markets are built on competition.

Fucking autocorrect

who have purchased....for undisclosed amounts of money

>>71574145
>Spotify devalues music
It literally fucking does, because normies like you refuse to do anything other than to stream it on your latest iphones while thinking your 0.00001 shekels are actually helping someone other than the corporate jews. And you have the gull to speak of """"morals"""". Fuck me. You better be a paid shill, because this is pathetic

>>71574119
Artists have never really made much from record sales though. Record labels, retailers, distribution, production team, everybody takes a cut. In fact artists put the least amount of work into the whole process that their low share is fair enough.

Merchandise, touring, guest appearances and branding in general is where the real money is.

>devalues the music
Spotify is very good at recommending new music to users, constant and free promotion is extremely valuable to smaller artists.

>>71574204
Again that is a royalty which is not the sum total of their payment. Not to mention Spotify is stopping the pay per play model anyway.

So Drag City has it right and everybody else has it wrong? Stop piracy by encouraging more piracy?

>>71574204
Oh and I'm sorry how many bandcamp albums have you bought that have been released this year? I've bought 3 and it would be more but I'm not running a blanket charity here. Maybe for some people though. If the album is on spotify then I'm not buying it unless there's something about the packaging I want. And if bandcamp isn't locking me out then I'm not paying. And if they're letting it stay up on YouTube then I'm not paying. Yes Spotify devalues music compared to Bandcamp but not piracy or blind buy.

Isn't in funny how this was so conveniently ignored?
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music-artists-earn-online/
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/03/how-much-musicians-make-spotify-itunes-youtube

>>71574296
Ok then after you look up what the word value means then look up the word royalty

So Drag City has it right and literally everybody else has it wrong? The official headquarters of Muppetcore has it all figured out while everyone else is clueless?

I download albums but use Spotify to "save" good tracks I like. Not gonna download single mp3s.

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>>71574296
Keeping this in mind, the best course of action would be to buy physical copies of music encourage your friends to do the same. What would help the artists even more, would be going to their shows.
>>71574307
Muppetcore? What?

>>71574204
fuck buying cds lol, I never bought a cd in my life and I'm not going to pay so much shekels for a 1 fucking album that I can steal from the internet

you want my money? then start touring

your music cannot be streamed? I don't care or I will torrent it, either way you lose

>>71574320
You're clueless. Physical copies help record stores not musicians at least not any more than a file. Actually I would assume the file helps them more because there's less overhead of course.

If you are not intimately familiar with Drag City then you literally have no business having this conversation.

>>71574320
Are you referring to The Guardian when you use the term "Muppetcore"? Is their collaboration with Snowden not a good enough reason for you to trust them?

>>71574329
wat a loser, stop being a povo entitled gen Y turd

>>71574339
See
>>71574337

>>71574337
All right. Are you familiar with DGM?
>According to Fripp, DGM has aimed to be "a model of ethical business in an industry founded on exploitation, oiled by deceit, riven with theft and fueled by greed," according to Fripp.Its policy is that its artists retain all copyrights; consequently, even DGM's corporate logo is owned by its designer. The label was an early adopter of the digital download system. DGM's aims have been hailed as "exemplary", and the label has been credited with having expanded "the possibilities of experimental music" and having improved the environment for King Crimson.
Just because independent and fair record labels exist, it doesn't mean that majority of them share and adopt the same business practices which >>71574296 clearly shows.

>>71574365
And there's an issue of buying music from artists who are not longer alive. Who are you then supporting other than the record company executives and middle men? And in this day and age, having a record deal isn't a necessity.

>>71574387
royalties would fall under assets in an estate, so their family would getting the same split.

>>71574387
And the musicians made that decision to sell the "executives" the rights to their music which is really none of your business.

>>71573975
omg it's just music. don't you have jobs or something ?

>>71574435
I'm at the office if you must know. In addition to my lucrative Walking Dead collection.

>>71574127
indonesia is a third world country

>>71574415
That makes sense if the family of an artist approves posthumous releases or if they're performing the music of their deceased relative. A good example of this would be Dweezil Zappa.

>>71574340
I'm spending more money on tickets for festivals and other events than probably 99% of population

and I don't even have a cd player in my computer or a car

there too much music in the world for me to care about some bitter bands that think spotify is evil

https://stallman.org/spotify.html

>>71574450
well labels and publishers can be pretty dirty when an artist dies too. sales skyrocket so they quickly put out a compilation record negating any cut of physical sales to the family

>>71574513
>DRM on a media streaming platform

no fucking shit

>>71574513
>By using or interacting with the Service, you are consenting to: the collection, use, sharing, and processing of information about your location, including any related interactions with the Spotify service and other Spotify users (as described in The information we collect); the use of cookies and other technologies; the transfer of your information outside of the country where you live; the collection, use, sharing, and other processing of your information
This is frightening to say the least.

Try using Apple Music, besides some exclusives it fucking blows compared to Spotify.

>>71574513
>>71574631
/g/ was right, everything is a botnet

>>71574631
Don't worry, Facebook already took all that data and have been selling it to marketing firms for years.

>>71574694
I'm not on facebook.
also
>you got fucked up the ass once, why not again lol

>>71574631
How is this frightening in the least?

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>>71574739
I don't want to deal with this outside of /g/ really. It has its fair share of Microsoft and Windows 10 shill threads.

>>71574758
>laws must be broken for society to progress
Fucking sickening

>>71574798
this. the west progressed better because they obey rules

>>71574720
Google and all their subsidiaries then.

>you got fucked up the ass once, why not again lol
That wasn't my point. Personal user data collection is widespread, whether Spotify engage in it or not is irrelevant.

>>71573378
>not using both

Soulseek is for FLAC to listen to at home on your proper audio setup, while Spotify is extremely convenient to have on your phone

>>71574808
Well yeah not to mention the entire legislative branch. That's how society progresses with regards to law.

>>71574808
the West progressed better because it made the East to obey. it's called colonialism

Its just extremely convenient
Its 2017
At least in poland theres lte pretty much everywhere
So ur ugh what if theres no internet argument is just so invalid in my case

>>71575088
both obeys each other. both sucks each others dicks