redpill me about this album

>Except for few tracks (...) most of the album seems to be self-indulgent, unfocused and going nowhere.

You just described most albums people namedrop and respond "my nigga" on /mu/'s "daily" /rym/ and /chart/ threads.

>>71571805
t. nu-male

It won't click until you have experienced actual fear that the world will end in a large nuclear slaughter soon.
Luckily enough I paid attention to Hillary's Syria plans so it clicked pretty easy for me.

>>71571805
you gotta let grow on you dude

first listen, the whole album went over my head

i'd say parts of this are vaguely self-indulgent thanks to Charles Hayward's prog/avant-garde leanings but I'd suggest listening to their s/t and the follow up EP, Health and Efficiency before coming back to this

this album is their soundtrack to the end of the world and by god, it sounds like it - fear and all. Their emotions on this record are genuine and I don't see how they're trying to be intellectual in anyway.

>>71571910
True, there is a lot of that shit on /mu/
Problem is that this album is also favoured by critics (read Pitchfork), but in this case they seem to be as pseudo-intellectual as the artist (what a surprise considering it's Pitchfork)

>>71571923
Please clarify mate, why am I exactly nu-male?

>>71571939
Being from a country that suffered several wars during the 90's and being bombed for months at that time I believe I can say I've experienced similiar atmosphere. Still it doesn't click. And your argument doesn't click either to be fair.

>>71571968
>I don't see how they're trying to be intellectual in anyway
Prog tendencies, random latin declinations out of context, reading declaration of independence for no apparent reason...

>>71571968
But thanks anyway, I will give it another try after I've listened to their first album, maybe it will grow on me, but I doubt it

>>71572014
>but in this case they seem to be as pseudo-intellectual as the artist

Problem is is that most don't bother making music. Myself included I suppose.

>>71572014
They read the Declaration of Independence because they're saying that we need to rise up and destroy the current order because it's gonna get us all killed but I wouldn't expect a dirty S*rbshit to understand that

>>71572041
Nice argument mate, 8/8.

>>71571805
When confused or in doubt resort to reading second party analysis.

http://drownedinsound.com/in_depth/4135664-classic-political-records--this-heat-deceit

>>71572014
The declaration's inclusion, along with the latin segments, are a byproduct of the album's concept in which the whole world is essentially going to shit, the band is aware of this and all hell breaks loose culminating in a nuclear holocaust - "Suffer Bomb Disease". That's just my take on it and the concept itself is incredibly loose.

Now, the prog tendencies were always a part of This Heat and its successor Camberwell Now. The s/t is far much heavier on these tendencies and you can hear bits and pieces of where math rock got its start (Horizontal Hold).

The thing that puts Deceit over its predecessor though is its dub influence and its emphasis on rhythms without compromising anything else in particular.

Most of the politics on this album concern war and the fear of the possibility of nuclear warfare in the near future

>>71572161
I figure the S.P.Q.R. was aiming at analogy of decay and fall of rome with decay and fall of the modern (Cold War era) world.

And I get the concept, still, it just doesn't do it for me.
>dub influence and its emphasis on rhythms
I just don't feel this strong enough to for it to redeem the rest.

>>71571805
It's about american imperialism.

>>71572233
to be honest, dub influences in punk are hit or miss

I absolutely love This Heat and The Pop Group, but the dub stuff irks me when I'm not in the mood.

>>71572229
>>71572240
Well this is a radical take on the albums concept and meaning. *irony*

I like their self-titled much more

>>71572266
Actually I really like The Pop Group. Also stuff like some of the Pere Ubu's work. Dub just works there as a part of the greater whole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rzuXTAkZoI

>>71572301
I find The Pop Group tended to put their best stuff out as non-album singles, Where there's a Will being an example (if we ignore She's Beyond Good and Evil).

Y and Mass Murder are great records but Y is a bit of a pain to get through while Mass Murder goes all out in its dub grooves and is just barely 30 minutes to Y's 40 minutes and half of it being overly tedious imo.

Pere Ubu on the other hand, their first three are magnificent but other than that, I still need to go through their albums when I have a chance.

>>71571805
>Lyrics are filled with quotes and empty phrases.
What do their tunes signify? What is their meaning? Are they really that straight forward? Or are our ears beyond words?

>>71572364
At the risk of sounding spiteful: what tunes?

Nobody can "musicsplain" music to you to get you to like it. You either like it or you don't. In this case, you're either a patrician who gets it or a pleb who doesn't.

Oh, oh, you're not too cool.

>>71572356
>Pere Ubu
Yes, there is really too much, was talking about the first two mostly actually.

As for The Pop Group, it's true, some songs are too drawn out, but I don't think that hurts albums too much. Good parts are worth the bad ones, and the bad ones aren't that bad anyway.

>>71572431
I mean in general, Pere Ubu's (and The Dead Boys') predecessor Rocket from the Tombs accomplished far more in its short existence than Ubu and the Boys ever did, which is no mean feat.

>>71571805
>one of the pillars of post-punk
honestly with This Heat don't approach it with this in mind, calling This Heat post-punk isn't inaccurate but to think only that is like calling Kraftwerk simply an electronic band or something.