Death Grips confirmed to be just a Zach Hill project?

>>71534490
Hmmm
Who gives a damn?

>>71534490

1. I don't blame Factmag for DG's inadequacy to conduct a proper interview like a bunch of regular human beings and then correcting FM when nobody can figure out what each member does
2. "This seems to get mixed up often" and will continue to get mixed up often if they can't give straight answers on anything until after the damage is done
3. Andy is the prettiest so it doesn't matter anyways
4. Why so many threads on DG? I mean I'll post in all of them but there's already one active.

>>71534490
yeah idk how anyone who's listened to zach hill's other stuff wouldn't realize it
that stuff is all him
obviously not the vocals lol but people seem to think like andys doing all the music and its just zach on drums or something

>ilys stuff
when the fuck is the decigram stuff coming out

>>71534490
This makes me happy, but I feel a lot of the fine tuning production-wise is due to andys input

>>71534621

>Fine tuning production wise
Don't you mean mixing and mastering? Also, isn't that what recording engineers do?

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>>71534490
seems like bullshit

andy can not be not involved into the producing

they said in the past that Flatlaner is a duo of Zach and Andy as producers

here's Andy's track that sounds a lot like Hacker:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3tyNjJzuIM

also related photo was made during their Exmilitay era

>>71534636
I always thought recording engineers were purely there to make sure the technical aspect runs smoothly and didn't have any creative input

>>71534673

Could be, I don't make music so I wouldn't know. Looking at it, still looks like it involves aspects of mixing but wouldn't necessarily master the album?

Doesn't matter to me, Andy could carry around a cowbell and hit it every so often and I'd be happy.

>>71534636
Mixing, fine tuning and providing his own sounds is what andy is doing. Nobody remembers we found his freesound account. He definitely doesn't master it though.

>>71534580
I looked for a post about this specific topic before I posted it and found nothing so...

>>71534746

Who does the mastering? Or is that something else we won't get a straight answer on until Pitchfork or Noisey misquotes?

>>71534777

It's been a long day shitposting on DG threads on /mu/, looking back the thread was probably 6 hours ago and has died. Sorry.

Bullshit.

Death Grips might overall be Zach's project and he brings up most of the ideas and motifs but the actual production is handled by Andy. There's no way a "recording engineer" has such prominent role in a band.

It's weird to see them saying such a thing because a recording engineer is someone who is only responsible for the technical part of the process, not the creative part or anything like that
If Andy is really just the recording engineer, why even consider him part of the band? Didn't someone say in some interview that each one had the same amount of creative input?

>>71534787
Honestly, I was surprised to not see this posted already

>>71534815

Not see what posted already? The DG twitter post?

Doesn't make sense. Why would Andy be considered a part of the band, and why would they let him handle the electronics at shows, if he's just a studio worker? Also a lot of DG's more synth oriented tracks sound just like Andy's solo work.

>>71534490
I think this twitter page is run by andy and he is being self effacing

>>71534781
Mastering is usually done by some guy with a degree and a lot of expensive equipment. Some of these guys work directly for the record company, or some will out source it. NLDW for example was mastered in Hong Kong if I remember. Idk if that was an outsourced job, or if it was dg doing what they wanted at the time and had it mastered it there.

>>71534837
Yes

>>71534815
There was one earlier

>>71534847

>NLDW for example was mastered in Hong Kong

I bet you don't have a source for that.

I think Andy runs the Twitter page because he seems the most active on social media, and I think he was just being modest.

>>71534490
stefan doesn't write lyrics?

>>71534847

Can mastering affect the overall product? I know that mixing can, but wouldn't all aspects of post-production be something you'd like to ensure you're a part of as an artist? If you're paying some guy with a bunch of equipment and a degree is there a chance that they can fuck it up and make your album sound like shit or is the majority/all of that resolved in mixing?

I'm pretty sure Andy does 90% of the actual production while Zach gives some input.

>>71534880

Depends on if they have an album credit list, or does DG not "do" album credits

>>71534892
this

>>71534892
i really dont think so. if you go listen to zachs solo stuff it sounds just like death grips

>>71534963
examples?

>>71534888
Mastering is less about EQ'ing and more about fine tuning select frequencies,limiting, and optimizing to achieve the best dynamic range.

>>71534888
mastering can have a huge impact. however it's quite technical relative to what the creators as 'artists' are usually involved with, basically any input they might have (unless they have some experience) is just going to be summed up as "make it sound louder"

>>71534963

No. His solo work sounds raw and noisy. You can't tell me Zach produced tracks like The Cage or Bass Rattles, basically anything that sound remotely synthetic.

>>71534963
>>71534991
Exactly. I have a hard time imagining Zach producing all of TMS, NLDW, GP, or any of the weird ass sounds on NotM because they all sound synthetic. Andy has to be doing most of the production.

>>71534887
he does but not for i.l.y's

>>71534984
>>71534988

Not sure if you're the same person, how do you happen to know all of this stuff? Mastering is really interesting, I really like hearing about post-production even though I don't know anything about it. I've heard that it can make or break an album's sound, and Nirvana's "Nevermind" is a really famous example of post-production changing the entire album's sound.

With "dynamic range" are you talking what the end product sounds like when it's coming out of your stereo/earphones?

And I guess, hypothetically, let's say Andy does fuckall. You think he'd know enough to relay Zach and Stefan's contributions to the person mastering to make sense? Or is it something that most artists just hand over in a "we trust you" way?

>>71534858
Can you link me to that or it's really dead?

>>71534793
yeah why would the recording engineer perform on stage with them

also wasn't there someone else involved, at least in the early days? What his name, TechNinja or something dumb. Wasn't he the sound engineer?

>>71534887
he said songwriter - that doesn't necessarily include lyrics, just the music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nutVnGfTFg

never forget

>>71535192
I agree Andy does more then what this tweet imply's but that said you would need someone to work with the synths and samples on stage. You can't really rap the way Stefan does and play with a synth and Zach is obviously busy drumming.

isnt bbpoltergeist bunk as of like 2013

>>71535286

No

>>71535192

There was a sound engineer?

>>71535306
argh jesus im definitely not making this up but i cant remember his name
he was mentioned in really early interviews, like death grips (ep) era but i can't find any mention of that now

>>71535387

Maybe he still works with them without credit? But if it was on Death Classic and Exmilitary...

>>71535051
i'm >>71534988. i do some audio production and that includes a bit of mastering, mostly just for my own work.

a good way to think about it is whereas mixing involves the balancing of tracks (instruments) in relation to each other throughout the stereo and dynamic spectrum - that is how loud and which direction they appear to be coming from - mastering is the balancing of the full track in relation to other tracks; not just the album in question but the contemporary tastes and expectations of consumers.

essentially the most basic consideration of the mastering engineer (beyond medium-specific stuff like making sure the audio actually 'fits' the physical limits of vinyl - but that's something i know almost nothing about) is to meet these expectations by squishing the audio signal as tight as possible, by bringing the loudest peaks of the track down and the quietest bits up - without overdoing it and destroying the track (the 'loudness war' is kind of infamous here, a track that has been over-mastered might be called 'lifeless' or 'lacking punch).

generally this is done using a compression, but mastering engineers might also apply subtle adjustments which change the overall 'color' of the sound like the other guy said.

>You think he'd know enough to relay Zach and Stefan's contributions to the person mastering to make sense?
i would be surprised if andy (as a 'producer') knew absolutely jack shit about mastering, it's just that once a band reaches a certain point it makes no sense for them to try to deal with it themselves when they can hire someone who's a professional and can do a far better job in far less time. but my general opinion is that - and this goes for 99.9% of all artists - zach and stefan wouldn't be able to offer any meaningful advice that far along in the production process. any advice they might give would be during mixing. mixing is 95% and mastering 5% anyway. (i hope nobody is grabbing their pitchfork)

>>71535426
>a compression
i'm biologically obligated to rest

>>71535306
>No
how new are you

>>71535306
wrong, its been up in the air for a while

>>71534581
all the zach hill projects that kinda sound like death grips also have andy morin as the featured co producer / engineer

face tat, that one hella album... the list goes on

>>71534490
Mc rides lyrics and performance are just as important than Zach hills production and instrumentation.

>>71534646
>>71534991
>>71535028
these

>>71534793
also this

>>71535387
his death grips name was "info warrior", he's known online as "megazord", his real name is christian oldham

>>71535506
yessss thank you
i miss when there wasnt so much information about death grips floating around on the internet
i remember when a google search returned like 5 relevant links

>>71535426
im the other guy, this dude hit the nail on the head here.

>>71535426

Because mastering just fits into about 5%, would that be why you would hire a professional? It's such an insignificant portion of post-production that as long as whoever was mastering the album didn't fuck it up it'd be fine?

And that makes more sense. Balancing of tracks = more weight to the album's sound, done individually by track while mixing = done individually by track in relation to the entire album, done more for the benefit of the consumer. Am I getting this right?

If mastering is such a "nonsignificant" portion of the process, why would you master an album? Sorry if this is a dumb question.

>>71534646
Sounds nothing like Hacker. Sounds pretty weak actually, like a b-side from Fashion Week at best, but it isn't nearly as layered or complex as something from even Interview 2016, let alone anything in their main discography.

>>71534490
Andy being accused of ripping off Grimes really fucked the guy up, first he deletes his instagram then he tries to distance himself from the production of the band.

>>71536118
i also thought about that
what a weirdo

>>71534963
Nah,

there is a huge difference between FACE TAT and fashion week

>>71536118
how are you still forcing this meme? nobody cares

>>71536412
you cared
also this meme is real

>>71536412
still hurts huh

>>71536412
t. Andy

>>71534991
>>71535028
>musicians can only produce one style of music

>>71536457
yep

>>71534892
>>71534963

since NLDW Zach has been playing all the drums live triggering synths on a v-drum kit

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>co-producer
Lmao andy trying to suck his own dick
(Still love him though)

if only i knew

>>71536118
Haven't heard about this, when did this happened?

>>71538038
It didn't

Grimesfaggots are cancer and should kill themselves

/discussion

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>>71538038
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/69759296

>>71538102
>unironically believes that dgfags aren't on the same level with grimesfags

>>71538038
he removed everything from his instagram shortly after someone started posting this >>71538127

>>71534580
>Andy is the prettiest
Show me 1 (one) picture where he looks better than Zach.

>>71538231
it's all about looks

>>71538283
In terms of looks
Zach>Stefan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Andy

>>71538313
all much better looking people than grimes

>>71535426
>>71535537
>If mastering is such a "nonsignificant" portion of the process, why would you master an album? Sorry if this is a dumb question.

Mastering is different from mixing, because if you simply used the raw mix, the album would be too quiet, or the different parts of the mix could sound dull.

Often mastering increases the sharpness and clarity of the instruments, and properly EQs them for different speaker types and vinyl.

I've never had a problem with mixing/production, but mastering is an art that took me a while to figure out in a basic sense, without my mixes sounding like garbage. I would still rather pay someone professional to master tracks, but on the condition that I supervise their work.

>>71538340
At least we can agree on that.

>>71538231

To each their own, you are welcome to Zach

>>71538313

Stefan is pretty on par with Andy when he's smiling, it's all about the tooth gap, he's pretty cute when he's not playing moody toughguy

>>71534490
>favourite band

>>71539035
well you would

>>71539572
>reading comprehension

>>71539519
are death grips a boyband now?

>>71539813

How are most nu-metal groups different from boy bands

My guess is that Zach writes the songs and produces an outline of the instrumentation, which Andy then spruces up.
Remember NLDW, when it was just Zach and Stefan in the band? Ended up being very minimal 808s and bare-bones synths. Then when Andy came back for GP, everything was lush and had a lot of experimental electronic elements, some similar to his solo work (which proves he's adept at electronics). Not to mention that live, he has a laptop and synth setup and plays things not heard on the studio versions, so I doubt he's just mashing buttons that Zach's already programmed for him.
He may do mastering, since it's definitely too poor to be professionally done.
"Engineer" means nothing and it generally given to satisfy some big-head who wanted credit for standing around during the sessions.

>>71539832
memes am i right? because memes

>>71538956
how would you pay a male producer desu?

>>71538956
How do you git gud at mastering? I can do a mix and perform some basic trial-and-error EQing but have no idea how to fine-tune things, and am in no position to get a professional since their rates are absolutely ridiculous, even the small-time ones.

>>71539868

In all seriousness, sure it's dumb, but they are boys in a band. There's daily threads on Grimes and Taylor and Charli, why can't I just have one good thing in my life

This could be like the time they "broke up" and were an " art exhbit"

>>71534490
I seem to recall them saying differently in an interview. Specifically Zach expressing how annoying it was when he and Andy were figuring out how to mesh his high-hat with digital beats but hey who knows.

people were speculating about his production abilities just yesterday, ha

>>71539980
because weebs ruin everything

>>71540162

Then let me ruin everything and have something to look forward to

>>71539860
The tweet is a little strange for sure. Because in the liner notes for The Powers That B, both Andy and Zach are credited for production. So why they would suddenly make the distinction that Andy is just the engineer, sounds weird, maybe that is true for The ILYS not DG?

Can somebody with the Bottomless Pit check the liner notes and who's credited for production and engineering there?

>>71539980
well if you keep up with the quality of those threads then describe how you would fuck the members of this group

>>71540203

I don't think I've gotten that far, that's a little too next level shit. What's wrong with admiring cute dudes non-sexually?

>>71534777
>so...
This shit annoys me so much

>>71540259
it's not next level, it's just part of adult life

>>71540364

I'm not so sure about that. Fantasizing about how I'm going to fuck people I'm never going to meet doesn't sound very adult life. Fantasizing about fucking people that you know and then asking them out sounds more adult life to me.

>>71540410
not him but I'm in love with the music so by relation I gotta love the music makers.
helps that I'm bi tho.
Zach>Stefan>>Andy

also holy shit new ilys album this year just finished recording
"Bodyguard"

>>71540483
i guess rape is art with that line of logic. you fuck any musicians boy?

>>71534490
they're memeing you fucking idiots. it's been six years and you still take everything at face value

>>71540531
oh i won't be listening to it. i can't listen to anything andy related ever again

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>>71534490
Really, really bizzare correction to come out with considering Andy has been credited many times as a producer, and other times they haven't even specified.

So, which is true?

>>71540658

You still could because apparently he doesn't do anything

guys its a joke because factmag writes an article about a facebook post and they go "ha, you got your facts wrong", citing obvious bullshit.

>>71534892
you're a retard

>>71535028
andy isn't even listed as being a producer on notm dumbass

>>71541535
Refer to >>71540662

he clearly is.

>>71534490
So, what's Ride's role? Is he just a performer?

>>71541590
MC

>>71541853

"It's just Ride"

>>71534841
agreed. this is fuckin death grips. they love messin around on the internet and getting people talking

>>71539924
>How do you git gud at mastering? I can do a mix and perform some basic trial-and-error EQing but have no idea how to fine-tune things, and am in no position to get a professional since their rates are absolutely ridiculous, even the small-time ones.

I am in exactly the same boat as you are, that's why I mentioned that I'm not that good at mastering, all I really know how to do is use a basic amount of compression/EQing on a track to make it sound passable.

I'm much better at mixing and production than I am with mastering, where I am completely over my head.

I figure either I'll research on it more, or work with someone who already knows it enough to teach me at least some level of skill with it.

I've even heard of professional producers who don't even know how to master tracks in a professional way.

The thing is, if I bothered to pay to get my stuff mastered, I'd have to be in the room in there with them and hear what the final product will sound like before I'd really be satisfied, the worst thing is when a band sends a good mix to someone and then the mastering job fucks all the songs up.

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>>71538231
andy is literally cute

>>71535426
>>71538956
>>71542560

The audio production pipeline in a nutshell:
1. Performer: Creates the sound
2. Engineer: Captures the sound*
3. Producer: Manipulates the sound
4. Mixer: Balances the sound*
5. Masterer: Compresses the sound for distribution*

* Craft (as in craftsman) roles - i.e. jobs that are performable to a straightforward objective standard (meaning that practiced, dedicated professionals are the best at it) and as such are of little to no artistic value, when executed properly.

>>71543025
creepy though

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yeah sorry i went to an easily accessible and public social media account and posted an easily accessible and public picture of him from that account, sue me

if it bothers you so much ask her to take it down

fuck you ande

NEW ALBUM WHEN

>>71544415
SOMETIME THIS YEAR THEY ANNOUNCED ILYS YESTERDAY

>>71534490
THAT'S IT. DEATH GRIPS IS OVER

(this time for real)

>>71544559
I didn't even realize because I don't follow Zach Hill on Facebook and I don't have a twitter account. It sounds like this may be a more conventional release compared to the last two albums.

>>71544913
They probably found a label willing to help with a physical release.

>>71534841
This desu. Andy dosen't give a shit about the credit. They definitely work together to songwrite. No way andy is only the recording engineer

>>71538340
>Grimes
Get the hell out of here, liar. Grimes > all DG members combined.

>>71545639
i'm sorry. you know i was just joking? i was joking

>>71546581
Ok, pal.

>>71539519
Awww, now that I think about it, Stefan is the prettiest.

>>71545639
Well duh, you can't have a baby with three men combined, so she wins by default.

what does a recording engineer do? and what does flatlander do during concerts?

>>71534963
I could see Zach doing all the writing but his solo stuff doesn't have nearly the same production as death grips.

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I want to 'hug' Stefan

>>71547466
please dont

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>>71547521
I want to tell Stefan that he is 'cute'

>>71547466
I want to Mc 'Ride' him

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>>71547634
I want to ask him to tell me the story of his tattoos while I 'lie on his bed'

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>>71538340

>>71547466
>>71547634
I want to "fuck" him in the anus with my erect penis

>>71547341
see
>>71543061

>>71534490

so does this mean sjws are going to freak out now that they know "niggas on the moon" is a title written by a white man

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>>71547779
I want to 'kiss' his dick

>>71547829
They already did