Can anyone explain to me how people feel when they listen to

>>71519382
Youre describing like 80% of /mu/ right now.

a better analogy would be likening it to listening to someone talk while being illiterate

>>71519382
You can enjoy someone telling a story without knowing how to read.

People that don't know music theory are even more impressed by widely used composition or technical tricks.

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Can anyone explain to me how people feel when they eat food and don't have knowledge of the chemical processes involved in cooking and aren't a chef?

>>71519407
More like 80% of people

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Can anyone explain to me how people feel when they watch movies and don't have knowledge of filmmaking and can't write a screenplay?

>>71519382
Can anyone explain to me how people feel when they have sex and don't have knowledge of the biological processes behind it and aren't hookers ?

You don't have to know how to make something in order to enjoy it!

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My family and their friends were amateur musicians. A toddler can feel the beat. Walking bass lines impressed me more than drums, piano, banjo. Grandfather's violin was amazing, mother's piano not so much.
A few years later, they bought a Tandy 1000, which came with pic related. Imagine my frustration, when every single note I punched in sounded terrible with the others. That feel when can't reverse engineer music theory. Sad, indeed.

>>71519382
Can anyone explain to me how people enjoy hentai without knowing how to draw it and without drawing it themselves ?

>>71519382
Can anyone explain to me how people feel when they drive cars but don't have knowledge of automotive mechanics and can't fix a broken tail light?

>>71519382
Can anyone explain to me how people enjoy porn without knowing how they film it and without being pornstars themselves ?

Can anyone explain to me how people feel when they write shitty analogies and don't know sentence wrote good or keyboard finger?

Can anyone explain to me how OP feels when he writes a shitty analogy to appear smart and the post is dead from the get-go ?

>>71519620
>You can enjoy someone telling a story without knowing how to read.

It's more complex that that. If you don't know music theory or can't play an instrument you don't even know the language that the person who tells the story uses. You are just hearing things you don't understand.

>>71519382
literally anyone can play guitar faggot
you're not special

but you're still right

Can anyone explain to me how they enjoy sexual intercourse without being charles darwin

>>71519382
What if I know music theory but can't play any instruments?

>>71519382
Can anyone explain to me how people feel when they talk and don't have knowledge of linguistics?

>>71519382
while i do know some music theory and how to play some instruments, that's a very stupid argument - can't you enjoy paintings without knowing how to paint? it's really not the same as reading books - some parts of it may be, the less emotional parts, but our body enjoys rhythms, melodies, textures and not knowing music theory won't change this at all, you're nothing better from someone who knows not one musical note.

>>71520180
If you believe that a person can like art only because it releases dopamine to his brain that's okay. But if you can't even learn what a thing you enjoy means and how it's made you are missing a lot of fun, and I wish more people would learn about music instead of just listening to it.

Can anyone explain to me how people feel when they sit down on a chair but don't have knowledge of how to make chairs and are not carpenters?

>>71520095
How is that possible?

>>71519382
Theory major graduate here

You're a fuckin dummy

>>71520497
>if you can't even learn what a thing you enjoy means
Music is not a language

>>71519382
>I believe it's like reading a book with words you can't understand
It's more like reading a book, but you don't know proper grammar; you can still read it fine, but you won't understand the greater design of it's composition.

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Thank you.
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Why are people who know music theory so obsessed with people who don't?

>>71520497
Pretty sure anything you like releases dopamine. It is the pleasure chemical in our brains. How do you get pleasure from art without it releasing dopamine? I like going to museums and critically analyzing art pieces, I'm pretty sure that releases dopamine. Do I enjoy it on some super deep pretentious level that normies couldn't comprehend that gives me a superiority complex? Sure. But even then it releases dopamine.

It's ok if you have a small dick, you don't need to compromise, Napoleon. We still love you.

>>71520633
Everybody likes to feel superior

>>71520610
Music is a universal language.

>>71520610
Music Theory is literally the language of music you dummy

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>>71520692
So true man

>>71520608
can you elaborate?

>>71520976
As a 16 year old with no clue what a treble clef was, I enjoyed music with all my heart and soul. Constantly had albums playing.

After learning music theory, What's Going On by Marvin sounded neither more nor less beautiful. Sure I can appreciate music from a technical standpoint, but I don't think that's how music SHOULD be necessarily enjoyed. Or at least not for me. It sucks the art out of it. Music for me is something that evokes my emotions. Stuff that brings me back to times in my life, stuff that helps me in the present with whatever I'm dealing with. It isn't a composition.

Maybe ignorance is bliss for music, because learning music theory only turned me into a grumpy critic, trying to over analyze everything.

But fuck OP and every pretentious snob trying to forcefully shove the cock that is music theory down everyones' throats.

Jesus why do people even respond do these bait threads

>>71521036
Oh shit you aren't one of those
>theory destroys creativity!
people are you?

Sometimes they feel very sad

>>71519382
I know theory and play multiple instruments but I'm not a jackass autist who has the need to analyze everything down to the core when I listen to music. That's not the point of music.

>>71519382
fuc, thats tupid

>>71521298
Wow you're pathetic and probably mentally stunted. I bet you just listen to shitty party edm like chainsmokers and young thug or some shit. How can you post on /mu/ and not analyze music?

>>71520723
how come there are people creating music without knowledge of music theory?

>>71521342
Like who?

>>71521340
Pleb underaged autist detected. I don't listen to EDM nor "young thug". Way to completely miss the point too.

>>71521386
pharrell

>>71521386
Daniel Johnston

>>71521405
He probably know music theory, he played piano and sax in junior high school
>>71521408
He knows chord construction, thus knows at least rudimentary theory

>>71519382
eh that's like asking someone how they feel watching a movie even though they've never stepped foot in a film class.
It's inherently enjoyable (tries to be). The more of a complex understanding you have of the subject of course the deeper appreciation you will find in it.

>>71521386
Brian eno

>>71521436
nope if you dont know film theory you cant appreciate picture

>>71520004
>It's more complex than that
Then why can't you grasp the simple fact that people CAN enjoy music without knowing what's going on technically

>>71521386
Me ;)

>>71519382

Most people don't need to autistically classify every note and sound when they listen to a song

>>71519408
underrated post

>>71519382
Can you explain to me how you can live without knowing how your body keeps itself alive to the deepest biological level?

>>71521439
He's a producer/engineer

>>71521560
because most people don't fucking make music LMAO

>>71519382
Like saying you need to be able to cook to appreciate good food.

>>71519382
this is bait but I'm going to bite because
>I believe it's like reading a book with words you can't understand
is a really stupid analogy

it's more like reading a book having never formally learned more than basic english, but being able to pick up meanings of words through context and comparison with all the other books you've read in your spare time

honestly you're probably a moron if you sincerely think formal education is the only way one can learn something. it is required for mastering something, yes, but not for basic comprehension

it's also possible (and I imagine quite common) to understand basic elements of music theory subconsciously without having been taught the vocabulary to put into words what is being heard

>>71519382
t. just started playing guitar

>>71519382
Terrible analogy.

Most people that read books have no idea how to write one.

You don't need intimate knowledge about how a thing is made in order to enjoy it.

>>71519382
As soon as you explain to me how you can enjoy posting on the internet without knowledge of networking, computer theory, or even how to build a pc from raw materials.

>>71521386
aphex twin

>>71523473
He's a producer/engineer

>>71523543
composing bangin melodies & rhythms has nothing to do with that

>>71519382
The thing is words are a real thing whereas music theory doesn't exist.

>>71519382
Are you literally fucking retarded? Obviously there was a point in your life when you didn't know shit about music theory or play an instrument and I'm sure there was some kind of music you heard that gave you goose bumps or entranced you.

Also take your pic for example. There was sure as hell a point in Brian Wilson's life where he didn't understand music theory or play an instrument and clearly he was quite touched by music at that time before he became a musician.

The elitism coming off of this post is laughably stupid. Unless those said people are listening to avant-garde jazz/noise, then knowing that stuff is useless. It's anecdotal, but being a musician who used to know music theory (I hardly used it after learning it in high school and subsequently forgot it all) it never affected my listening experience. I only used it when playing music.

>>71523411
>Most people that read books have no idea how to write one.

that's just wrong anon
maybe they can't write a good book(but most musicians can't write a good song too) but almost all of them can write a book

>>71523673
>being a musician who used to know music theory

this is gold

>>71523677
Most of them probably think they can, but they can't.

>>71519382
the fact you think the basic level of cognitive ability needed to get something out of simple music actually needs to be learned reflects badly only on you. as does your belief that people need to have the knowledge and vocabulary to put into words their experience in order for that experience to have taken place

>>71523582
If he is just sampling, then he is not composing them, sorry

>>71522873
Fucking moron

>>71523872
>the fact you think the basic level of cognitive ability needed to get something out of simple music actually needs to be learned reflects badly only on you

music is so simple that people study for years and play instruments for years to get good; you are a moron

>as does your belief that people need to have the knowledge and vocabulary to put into words their experience in order for that experience to have taken place

what the fuck

>>71524128
>music is so simple that people study for years and play instruments for years to get good
there is such a thing as simple music, that does not mean I think music as a whole is simple. this shouldn't be difficult for you to understand. most people who don't haven't been taught any music theory and don't play an instrument listen to simple music

>what the fuck
is this a placeholder for an argument of some kind?

>ITT:assblasted "music listeners"

>>71524048
but it isn't sampling

>>71524184
>there is such a thing as simple music, that does not mean I think music as a whole is simple. this shouldn't be difficult for you to understand. most people who don't haven't been taught any music theory and don't play an instrument listen to simple music
where I said that people should only learn simple music? people should learn music

>is this a placeholder for an argument of some kind?
yes, where I said that people need to have the knowledge and vocabulary to put into words their experience in order for that experience to have taken place?

>>71524448
>where I said that people should only learn simple music?
you didn't, nor did I say or imply that you did

>yes, where I said that people need to have the knowledge and vocabulary to put into words their experience in order for that experience to have taken place?
I don't know what you're trying to say here. it's almost like you're trying to type in english without having much knowledge of the language

>>71520633
because they aren't more talented or sophisticated than your average person who doesn't know theory, and they know it deep down, and it haunts them, so they use their theory knowledge to try to make themselves feel superior to others to hide from their deep-seated inadequacy

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Hm... really makes you think..

From what I've seen of people who think music theory is important, they don't even listen to music. They just analyze it. It's just an intellectual thing. They'll gush about some nondescript music because it has a leitmotif in it.

>>71524628
>From what I've seen of people who think music theory is important, they don't even listen to music

another gold

>>71523820
Sounds contradictory I know, but I never used it, being varsity men's and mixed choir in a 5A high school, when I gig with friends or at my church. Unless I start getting into improv jazz, it's useless for me, therefor after awhile I simply forgot it.

>>71524085
Not an argument, sorry
>>71524443
Aphex Twin doesn't use samples?

can anyone explain to me why you shouldn't fuck with the formula

>>71525308
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihyQf8mww3o
tell me he sampled the rhythms or melodies on this.

>>71525951
he sampled the rhythms or melodies on this.

>>71525392
because it's tride-and-true and intuitive. While an artist may not "know" theory, their songwriting practices adhere to the theory. People who fuck with this formula because "dude fuck the rules we are artists XDD" make shit music.

It's only when you know the rules that you can break them (without it sounding like shit)

>>71527008
shut up bitch love

How do i into theory as a beginner?

>>71527718
find a good teacher

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OP did a good job

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>>71521386
every rapper to have walked the earth

Except Nas, he got his DMA at Yale School of Music

>>71521439
>never heard this
>looked up Eno's life story

that's pretty inspiring honestly

>>71519709
>80% of people
More like 95%

>>71521386
thom yorke
jimi hendrix

>>71528505
>every rapper
We are talking about musicians
>>71528726
They know chord construction, which is rudimentary music theory