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whats the appeal of noise

whats the difference between good noise and bad noise

how to i get into noise

is noise music or not?

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Undisputed best harsh noise album

>>71383612
Yes

No

Maybe

I don't know

Can you repeat the question?

>>71383612
Well, what's the appeal of music anyway?

It's personal what you like or don't

Start listening to noise

For some is, for some isn't

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>>71383612
With noise music, there are some people who actually enjoy it because it is "primal" in a way or because they want to try it out, however, there are also people who listen to it to get extra credit on rym

it really is hard to tell the difference, the good noise usually has a much more obvious attention to detail

start with noise rock (sonic youth, glenn branca, dinosaur jr, butthole surfers) and when you think you're ready, listen to pic related

That's a hard question to answer

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>discussing noise on a music board

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>>71383626

>>71383702
is that the guy who tried to claim that grindcore isn't music? dear god that video made me want to die.

>>71383612
the appeal of noise is almost purely visceral. people get a kick out of the sensory overload that comes from fucking your skull with harsh sounds.

'good' noise is the noise you like to listen to/find some use in. 'bad' noise is the noise you don't.

get into noise by listening to it. start to parse the sounds and ideas you like and pursue those avenues.

whether or not it's music is basically not a relevant question. the only question you should be asking is, 'do i want to listen to it'? the means by which people consume noise is the same as the means by which people consume music, so there's no need for you, as a consumer, to make the distinction.

>>71383612
>what's the appeal of noise
it's different, that's for one. Some projects have conceptual sugar which is the hot thing all academic minded people are looking for nowadays.
>whats the difference between good noise and bad noise
dynamics and texture mainly. even if most noise doesn't use tonal systems it doesn't mean that it doesn't need work. Listen to a Rita record and then find a soundcloud artist. The difference is audible.
>how to i get into noise
There's a lot of charts you can use, also rym has a lot of lists on the subject. check it out
>is noise music or not?
it doesn't use tonal systems as mentioned so it's not music in the classical sense, meaning an arrangement of tones in time. But in the context of listening it becomes music. If you agree with the contextual approach that its. Here's when the above mentioned academic thinking goes in motion.

>>71383615
really a great album. one of the albums I find myself returning to.
>>71383692
Yeah, rating albums you've never heard of is a thing.
Listening to no wave could give you a new eye on things, since those guys really took a turn with their approach.
I would recommended just getting on with merzbow or >>71383615
you will get used to harshness in no time.

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>>71383595
hello

I'm currently working on a record and I want to add some noise to one of my songs to make it sound panicky and make the listener feel stressed out

but I also want it to complement the tribal drum beats I'm adding in, too

how would I accomplish this?

also, what's some good equipment for making noise? I'm not really too keen on doing things digitally
I'd really rather use my hands and turn knobs and press buttons and stuff like that instead of clicking on things

Found this guy recently and just looking at what he does restored my interest in this type of sound. He uses a custom-built gear controlled by a game console keypad and a joystick as you can see. The output is kind of limited in its sonical charasteristics but the performance itself is noticeable to say the least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGjbGXu_IeI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS1eiotiqII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU_wDXlNDGQ

>>71383842
what do you mean by rating albums you've never heard of? when i was talking about extra credit on rym, i meant poseurs who act like they like noise when they don't to seem cool

>>71383985
well most people use distortion pedals. you can route them in a mixer by making a feedback loop (input 1 into input of pedal, output of pedal into input 2(is just one of the ways you can do it). With a pedal and a mixer you can get a pretty good tone and volume control. If you want to stress people with it, I would suggest using rapid, short bursts, like a jump scare in a movie, since longer bits with no dynamics tend to bore people. On top of that you can get or build a contact mic and go wild with it.
Another popular approach is using field recordings and distorting them. Using something tribally like a windy plain soundscape with birds and shit and then maxing the ds-1 on it could really go well with some practice.

>>71384182
Well, it may be just memes, but I've seen image collages of people rating lost material on rym, or discussing/reviewing stuff that they clearly haven't heard. That's what I've meant.
Strangely, I haven't seen people who listen to noise without liking it, but I've seen people "defending" noise with blatantly stupid arguments.

>>71383626
You're not the boss of me now and you're not so big.

Noise is in a big way performance art as well. For instance, justice yeldham, who uses a contact mic on a plate of glass rubbed against his face to produce the root source of sound which is then manipulated. The performance ends with the glass being broken against his head.

Another aspect of noise is the passive anti "big music" stance. Much of the material released is very diy from recording right down to the packaging and production of albums. As a noise musician, I have never "sold" any material, but rather traded for others music and for collabs as well.

Also manipulation of electronics is a big thing as well. Look into circuit bending. It's a fun and rewarding process. I have also made sounds using a vintage tachometer generator stolen from a closed down textile plant which was then attached to a cordless drill which generated sound frequencies which although intended to be interpreted by a computer and converted into rotation speed measurement instead worked to produce a very interesting sound. Think a geiger counter on speed.

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I heard a noise today.

Any and all "microphones" I've used were not microphones at all, but different variants on the idea of a microphone, being a diaphragm that captures vibrations which are transmitted across an electronic pickup. I've wired speakers as mics, used headphones plugged into the mic jack as a mic, made a monstrosity out of chains and speaker magnets, etc.

>>71384631
Your farts, right? Faggot frogposter.

Can someone help me with making noise on my Tascam portastudio 4 track? I want to use it as a noise instrument by using tape loops/feedback/effects..

There are many different types of "noise" as well and some appeal more to the general public than others. Harsh noise, wall noise, power electronics, found sound, etc.

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>>71384722
I have that exact rig. I got so frustrated with using it for that that I instead used it for performance instead. I pre recorded different sounds to the 4 channels and cued them in as necessary.

I like Tim Heckers approach, specially An Imaginary Country and Ravedeath. I think i'm just more into melodies. Somehow the kind of unrhythmic, undmelodic kind of Noise never appealed me so much.

>>71384830

LOL get better taste

>>71384830
go for chris Watson and then full merz

bump for a cool thread

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yrTCFDZx-iE

>>71385654

damn that's filthy as fuck

>>71384911
Chris Watson is interesting will get into that.
Biosphere is as well interesting with his usage of field recordings, but it's classified as Ambient i think.

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I make ethereal, early industrial flavored power electronics.

https://soundcloud.com/ourexitbag/lids

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Here's some of my stuff, including the stuff I described above.

https://soundcloud.com/bad_radio

>>71385912

holy shit this stuff is from a different dimension. Mind if I ask how/what you use to make this?

>>71384836
man listen to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVdXrvirNRY
that's just epic

>>71386014

>epic

go back to listening dubstep LOL!

>>71383612
To understand the original appeal of noise search up, the art of noises. Noise has it's roots in a desire to push the complexity of timbres further in the modern age just as harmony and rhythm did, so it is pretty much a genre focused on exploiting the qualities of sound, although that aim varies from artist to artist.

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>>71385990
Thanks. I work with hardware primarily but occasionally with accoustic instruments and Max. Most of the base composition comes from improv sessions recorded to 4 track.

I have a few performance videos but nothing online that I've recorded within the past year, and in that time the amount of hardware I have has increased considerably.

https://youtu.be/K9N1lXiGlx4

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This is my most recent noise album. At least people here might listen to it. It's about insomnia and all that fun stuff.

Also, any cool recent noise albums to check out?
I really enjoyed those Maurizio Bianchi rerelease of old tapes. Fetish especially.

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>>71388086
I forgot the link like the sleep-deprived wreck I am.

https://morpheuslunae.bandcamp.com/album/dunkle-tage

>>71385912
I remember you from the old noise comps. Really dig the new stuff.

>>71384775
Where'd you get yours?

Someone recommend me the most brutal and violent harsh noise out there, nothing else does it for me anymore

Also, anyone got tips on making noise music digitally? Eventually I want to get some actual equipment but for the time being I'm completely broke

>>71387276

nice modular! any tips or beginning modules that you reccomend?

>>71388657
Bought it off a coworker years ago.

my favorite release from this excellent label https://signorawardrecords.bandcamp.com/album/ward016-power-monster-white-single-female

also probably /noise/ core now but everyone should check out Alberich, especially NATO uniformmen

Anybody want to check out my stuff?

https://soundcloud.com/bad_radio

It really is sad that this awesome thread got turned into a bandcamp thread. RIP Merzbro

>>71390162

lol

>>71389345
There's a black metal act called Faceless Entity which is the most extreme hn I've heard in my puff

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>>71389953
Maths is a great beginner's utility, it's deceptively simple as an envelope, but as recccommendations go that's a fairly boring one.

I'd say my personal favorite and most used is Just Friends. It's an almost bizzare take on the same set of functions as Maths that doubles as a harmonic oscillator.

>>71383612

The appeal of noise for me is that it takes me on a journey, Textures intensity and movement

>>71389345
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWDRgcR6yA8

Has anyone heard the new Bizarre Uproar yet?

>>71390640
>>71390231
these are both great thanks guys

>>71389345
To make digital noise just download ableton live 9 and mess with synthizers. When you want to get serious youll need to buy an audio interface to help with latency and so you can have 1/4 in ins and outs

>>71390231
do you know if it's possible to find a downoad for this stuff anywhere?

>>71391202
https://redacted.ch/artist.php?id=7045

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I wouldnt even let this bitch suck my dick know what im sayin

>never understood the digital is vastly inferior to analog noise meme
>finally listened to scene and then spiral honey
>get it


wtf I hate digital noise now

>>71391355
I don't think pure analog has as much too do with it as using hardware

Anybody?

https://soundcloud.com/bad_radio

>>71391250
she'd probably bite it off

>>71383595
Anyone here who primarily listens to noise (so way more than any other kind of music)?

>>71392456
I'd say about equal with other types of music. I try not to narrow my interests too much musically.

https://soundcloud.com/bad_radio

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does an album as good as this exist?

>>71392641
That one is pretty good, but I am more partial to whitehouse.

>>71392641
the rest of their discography

>>71392641
It is really darn good, but I prefer Tapes by Hijokaidan

>>71383615
t. youtube suggestions

>>71392641
instruments disorder is better imo tbqh

>>71392854
you know it's true, despite it being /youtuberecs/core

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How is it?

>>71392456
Me, just use soulseek and download a bunch of noise compilations and splits.

People reply to each other, but not to me. Please someone reply so I know it's not this stupid app I'm using.

>>71392897
(You)

>>71393045
Ok so it's working. I'm just lame af I guess.

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What did you guys think of that free Adult Swim noise comp? The clipping song was nothing special and I don't really like that second song but I dug the rest of it.

>>71393396
its pretty good desu

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>>71383612
>whats the appeal of noise
It's different for everybody. Some people like the challenge, others are masochistic. For me, I like to meditate to noise music. I like losing myself in the chaos
>whats the difference between good noise and bad noise

Good noise has energy put into it, it's intense. and tends to complex

bad noise tends to be lazy and simple. like someone recording radio static and calling it art.

>how to i get into noise
Noise rock is a good starting place

>Is noise music or not?

it can be, it's a very loose defination of music

Anybody got suggestions for some nice, soft, atmospheric noise? I really need to sleep and somehow noise (not harsh noise, mind you) helps me do that. Lawrence English, Tim Hecker etc. Not sure if those qualify as noise though, I'm new to this shit so forgive me.

>>71383595
Noise music is kind of like salt. It's great when mixed in with or sprinkled on top of other genres, but awful on its own.

>>71394522
So like ambient?
If so, I'd rec Kobresia by Biosphere

>>71394522
Yellow Swans - Going Places
Aube - Sigh in Depressive Blue

>>71394522
Cremation lily, climax denial, theologian

>>71394522
Sunn O))) & Nurse With Wound collab is good

>>71394805
>not eating solid blocks of salt

>>71394979
Nurse with wound is amazing. Sunn is meh...

https://soundcloud.com/bad_radio

https://soundcloud.com/myneighborsatan1/my-neighbor-satan-vs-mxcg

>>71394805
Cool opinion cunt : )

>>71384519
i saw that guy perform once. it was pretty interesting and my best friend got really into making noise after we saw that.

>>71387276
any tips on getting interesting sounds out of an ms20? it's my first synth and i'm looking to get something powerful out of it but i'm finding it a little difficult to get it outside the realm of videogame type sounds.

>>71397277
The point is, noise comes from pain. My whole life has been fucked. In and out of jail. Hardcore alcoholism. Severe depression. Multiple suicide attempts. I was welcomed into the noise community because we're all outsiders. I'm still not better because of it. But it got me by for a few years. I'm likely going to be dead soon. Nobody cares. Nobody wants to pretend to be sympathetic, but with noise. A few people heard my pain so in some capacity, I mattered. I'm done posting my soundcloud because nobody cared. I will from here be a statistic. Good night for the last time /mu/.

>>71397644
Fucking faggot

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toshimaru nakamura

inventor of electroacoustic anime

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>>71397277
Filtering, especially the low-pass, and reverb stave off video game sounds, which was a big problem I had with it in the beginning. I'm a sucker for really small really wet reverb but it works especially well here.

>>71397644
This doesn't reflect my experience with the ms-20, but it is a great impression of me.

>>71394522
No answer, Lower floors really scratches that itch for me.

>>71384836
no u

>>71393396
Do you even have to ask?

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>>71383742
The best thing about it was that he claimed symphonic metal and progshit was better.

>>71383612
I like noise, because it's so extreme and was exactly the shit I needed to satisfy my need for extreme music. I'm mainly into black metal, but I've become numb to it, so noise was a great alternative for me.

>>71383595
Honest question, what is his appeal? Even as someone who is pretty into noise I've never been able to appreciate him as anything other than a mediocre artist.

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It's nice to wake up and see a good noise thread that isn't completely destroyed by shitposters.

>>71383612
>What's the appeal
For me it's like an extreme form of ambient music. Also I personally like how it plays an preconceived notions of what music is and what music can do.
>What's the difference between good and bad noise
For me it usually comes down to dynamics. A lot of harsh noise (especially Pulse Demon) for me is too one noted. You can still have interesting stuff that comes in and out of focus while still giving that "wall of sound" feel
>How do I get into noise
For me it was getting into noiser drone (something like Grandeur of Hair by Goslings). Also check out compilations (check out pic related) and then if you dig a track by a certain artist then dig into there discography.
>Is noise musicYup

>>71401499
Why do you think he's mediocre?

>>71392881
Leave

can anyone here check out my short noise piece?
i made it for a college project
https://soundcloud.com/harakiri-disembowelment/echo-chamber-1

so Japanese are best at making noise right?

>>71402173
They have the biggest scene and the most critically acclaimed artists. (Hence Japanoise).

>>71383615
I like the cover

>>71383985
Be sensitive and look for noises that make you feel uneasy.
The most basic method to make dynamic, painful noizu is getting yourself a contact mic that you attach to a metal plate, then you run it though several distortion pedals (preferably shitty ones like Digitech Death Metal that have insane amounts of gain) and then into the amp.
Microphone up the amp like you would with recording guitars and then fiddle around with the plate. Hit it, scratch it with screwdriver, fucking anything

harsh drone anyone?

https://izetskal.bandcamp.com/album/harsh-drone-works-volume-1

>>71402926
Can it really damage your ears and make you deaf?

>>71402585
>>71384271

thanks guys

>>71393396
Its pleb as fuck

>>71383615
I hate the cover

>>71383985
Synths and samplers

>>71402455
>>71403134
the duality of man

>>71384271

i tried this on my tascam cassette mixer and it doesnt work? do you need to use various pedals?

>>71383595
He is balding

>>71402173
Best and worst

>>71403379
well he is like 60

https://soundcloud.com/bad_radio

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>>71383595
Can I get some opinions on my noise track?

https://soundcloud.com/rapheal-ashafa/u-fucked-up-so-now-u-getting

>>71404689
>>71404577
>>71402926
>>71401997
lol stop fucking shilling fellas

>>71404990
It's a noise thread and I'm sharing my creations. Stop being a stupid dildo.

My question is, can you be a noise artist, but not use a regular noise setup? Like, use house hold objects, regular instruments, etc. ?

>>71404990
I'm sharing what I made. I don't make money from music. It's a passtime u cunt.

>>71405147

yes...

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>>71390066
I've played with power monster before. Even got an album from her.

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>>71400619
Just got started in modular, here's what i have so far. I have a DIY clouds on the workbench, and a few projects planned.

How am i doing so far?

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>>71405919
including shoving her into a module

>>71405955

WTF is that?! O_O

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>>71406006
It's an Island Princess barbie...

I found the resistor controlling the pitch of her voice, and dropped it a few megs and added a pot, She can grummble out a drone for like 20mins straight

>>71406142

Jesus christ, what a monster!

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>>71405955
>>71406142

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>>71405919
It's an interesting start. Love the circuit bent shit. How's the game system? It always struck me as something that was too strange to contribute to any kind of intentional composition, and I keep my radioactive module next to my module filled with dirt from Golgotha.

>>71406555
Thanks!
I have a circuit planned out to give the barbie CV control of her pitch, it's going to be sick.

The Gamestation was to pay homage to the retro games i sold to buy it haha. Each 'game' is really very different and gives it alot of function. Its randomness is useful for creating spontaneous yet controllable melody with a quantizer. Setting a nice drone while experimenting with noises

>>71406239
https://soundcloud.com/balloon_people/royalbaaaaaudio

>>71406842

haha that goes good with the picture

>>71402979
anything can damage your ears if you play it at loud enough volumes. noise will only damage your ears if you play it at loud volumes for an extended period of time.

if you play it quietly or just below the threshold of 'loud' you should be fine. you shouldn't listen for more than 1-2 hours at a time though.

>>71407778
> you shouldn't listen for more than 1-2 hours at a time though.
Why?

>>71406555
>Radioactive
What?

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>>71408167
Radioactive

>>71383612
noise is calming

>>71409379
kek

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To-Bo is the new king of noise!

This ---------> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRxoih98xOM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDUGuXOyQgo

The real deal!

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>>71411101

>>71411705
LOL

>>71411101
Poserfag!

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What is some noise/pe that isn't entirely about violence and perversion, like Hole In The Heart? Violence and perversion are cool and all, but sometimes I want a change of pace.

This thread is like a faggot sandwich!

>>71412347

mmm sounds yummy

>>71411101
Shut the fuck up you little hipster brat!

>>71411101

Who's To-Bo?

>>71412049
>>71412347
>>71412406
I suspect that these posts were all made by the same man

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https://soundcloud.com/mephisto_waltz/reflection-transmission

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So, how many of you were at INC in Miami this year?

>>71412486
https://www.discogs.com/artist/1526532-To-Bo

>>71412542
Good stuff

>>71390066
https://signorawardrecords.bandcamp.com/album/zoloft-evra-murder-chamber

Good label. They get some cool projects

>>71412684
Oh look Netlabel noise, bet you listen to vaporwave!

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>>71413618
Forgot pic

>>71412636
Me

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>>71414217
I literally live 7 minutes away from Churchills, and I stopped going to INC for about a year or two, cuz life, I stopped going there all together really. I had been going since 2007 I believe. Just so happens I end up going this year for the hell of it, and started crushing so hard on a girl there, that she has unknowingly destabilized me since. I'll be there next year.

>>71394522
Coil - Music to Play in the Dark 1
or
Melt Banana - Fetch

>>71413601
Thank you!

>>71401499
For me at least, it is just how much he puts out and how varied it is - kind of like Buckethead to some people.
I have an old torrent of the Merzbox plus the collab he did with Genesis P - Orridge (which is fucking incredible) and almost everything sounds entirely different from everything else. At one point, I actually had a favorite album I would listen to on the bus on the way to the school every fucking day even though it was metallic screeching and a few drums.

There is a Merz-album for everyone, just not everyone wants to find their Merz-album.

Does anyone here make hnw? What's your setup like?

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>>71415163

>>71416369

PD? Max?

>>71416606
ableton live 9

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jefre anyone? this is my current fav noise record

>>71414445

YO lel i used to go to churchills all the time i live in nyc tho jej

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>>71416746
I'm working (very slowly) on a machine. I may perform at INC one of these upcoming years. Or maybe I'll just get pissed, scrap this project and buy a boss pedal.