/classical/

Who's the Mussolini of classical music?

>>71367642
me

>>71367397
first for based Händel

https://youtu.be/eqksy-991sI?t=22m22s

How do you guys feel about Russian composers?

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>>71367744
The Five, Stravinsky, Scriabin, Roslavets, Wyschnegradsky, Obukhov and some Tchaikovsky

Rest of them are memes

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>>71367842
>no Gubaidulina, Ustvolskaya, Schnittke, Mosolov and Medtner

>>71367877
>Shitkke
>good

I'll give you the rest of them.

Russian futurism is underrated even if it is a meme, and its better listening than serialism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXaNFBzgDWI&t=138s

holy fuck

Who is the 21st century's Stockhausen?

>>71368137
I'm convinced That French and Russian composers are the only Nationalities that can make Avant bullshit sound good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9nJIY4o7l0

holy fuck

>>71368210
not born yet

>>71368245
I'll give it 2023

>>71368245
Thanks god

>>71368210
Stockhausen was just a political leader a movement, when a new movement comes there will be political figures and if one of them starts bullshitting about astrology all of the time he will be the new Stockhausen

Electroacoustic and Darmstadt School serialism were of little value to classical music anyway

Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w433wbM14Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jem-LgKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MU1T6uDXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s22fNJdICQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an77qFp0Y9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BSfYz4_Gbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xweAry37KUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOVF-33A9HI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqSAGwa49MM

The suite in g minor and the toccata in b flat major available for download
http://www.saladelcembalo.org/archivio.php

>1/5th into the 21st century
>0 good music

explain this

How to get into Schumann? Everything I've heard of him sounds boring as f.

>>71368558
>cuckpin listener

>>71368542
There is no novelty left for contemporary musicians. At this point they have to gather what we have done in the last 1000 years and write music with no innovation in it.

>tfw people in the 20th century had to tolerate haks such as Cage and Stockhausen
>tfw we will get the next Beethoven

>>71368558
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSiwMR3dBUY

>tape music
>electroacoustic
>musique concrete

all elaborate memes

>>71368581
Nice self-insert, faggot.

>>71368623
Maybe we should just nuke the planet and start over

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>>71368729
Or maybe you should study harmony, melody, counterpoint and orchestration and write the best music of this century
There is a giant void, waiting to be filled. It's our time, anon.

>>71368623
Innovations in music and arts all really came with the technological advances of the time

The problem is when we let virtual technology into classical music we lessen human expression to a great degree

If people focused on new technology that doesn't involve computers it would bring us advances in music

>>71368670
Go fugue yourself

>>71368765
>tfw this anon is right

Thanks for the inspiration mate

>>71368765
Any Books you would recommend those concerning those subjects?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt2SJrcIJh4

God, Webern lived a harsh life

>>71369303
Should have lived a harsher one

>>71369303
>At the moment, I'm listening to Heinz Holliger, Rebecca Saunders, Helmut Lachenmann, Franck Bedrossian, Mark Andre, Unsuk Chin
man it's like he posts here

>>71367842
what about rimsky-korsakov you daft cunt

>>71369384
read the post again and realize you've just embarrassed yourself

>>71369384
Fuckin retard-GIAzCek740oYc5yY8MZlNjWQeB3BsTQqgr9fhwl7Vk6lcfx2yaFUrJn5Ak5104U1y67Pff4St82eE76s6vFk5iN9g7mTfympeyfsF2l1_0qFy1xcK-rf5RvM-s7DBwutte7wTDG2TZ7E2WzVsMbXRa6rPLFWqGLK6sFo2EXmiZPeHtspQLZ_r8cmDCFr0EqLDtRKaWTj4aPk09wfREWjao1MFrnPMwTxrERX36LEJM7szWt86aepGV0vIBgwHEQ40YDrj7MxrbZqaQ0Hu-eFmpvXMcc6wq9sQi22Fo-xt1Ypecs1diaIXUovNVaVchn39wyV8lfJiORQ1WQr1SpOHG7IsF4f7sqoTpv3BwxDs85gvXZ6pXWeuQUOyGGOR7F13OXZyTZ14Gh4MKFyNwfHOPaoLcjhqC6aVdDWLdQxEp0tWrMntXlwY24zO5lXrX6nfI3NDWdyMxILafF-Bzs_de8vTKVNjlGotkba6U2rxMYHkFUe_SfKm2Mc5DjgPw-oma-5s1RRC-LGhs-YKDKatuYPNJEbG0VPPdXES20S6pBPESRrM7ppS1cxXQRyeaQIbzZKGG_d08fRTfVDoB3xYQ4F4qigI5f_oGuFeOkHhXLAn_tjyd3Mc8cDVQbcXlvYaQFeniVvWGGYogsdU-rgUPSmKQqPyRcVZ6krQHGMzyp5hjxxBXmbWptCaYgQwXJ6SdgqYpmI8pssJWKJ3Dtz7GKXuTfffjjzkT28ixiGYjI50DCKPlQfTH6znRumq_I25KlnbVBw_ED28FjInIS6sxAQb0PRSfC6_OH7n4NSCzYXfGbECOkWz2l9D7W87HFD8TDZp6dvaHXyH2X2RUnbnPCenf0ehWJismJYU3e0JDxkvXrD67UK4pphixaApDBZSRcfeZBfmvtKpz7qOJq3mj5itogUtNPGZ332fbkxF3IxQlYsr60S4M4oqv9rsBXqsGxTKaveZWw75LZ51_U78H-u8JWfg9cEXEXWuvoFl2DzO3VjtwdmmIxH3EreIwg4Ia0T75LfBnPOD_V6WKhFtAM6d0KjyzuZ9laQKM2kByRnQ0hC3EafkY2dchFCdnyDqM7dCnp0NjATTAHQgC9oqqFuenMF8gMaGWh5kwzC_pqPrOFQZuKqJITzvBJEMoHxNZdAMmfvQ2jHTB4iyWoDvza1CGq5Riac31Ja9kRtM2xZMZr4BsRuR3zG-6XtB7hjktcj-IUd6Ei6udlsGeeIkpactrosa3_bvX0uA&k=6Ldp2bsSAAAAAAJ5uyx_lx34lJeEpTLVkP5k04qc&id=2 moron

>>71369413
>>71369426
fuck I can't read

>>71369426
>GeeIkpactrosa
What did Anon mean by this?

>>71369426
How the fuck did this happen?

>>71369459
You probably dragged some junk from the captcha into the comment field into the post

>>71369345
this guy literally looks almost exactly like me, so maybe he's my alter ego

>>71369489
Oh, Okay :)

Why does Ravel music remind me of Myiazaki movies?

>>71369597
probably becuase you watch too much cartoons

>>71369619
They're literally the only anime movies I've seen in my life.

>>71369619
animes arr NOT cartooms you hitch

>>71369619
anime is the only medium better than classical

>>71369736
>>71369765
faggot

>>71369804
i could scissorkick you in the back of the head so fast so hard you'd probably die instantly

>>71369833
threatening people is against the law

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What's some protestant classical?

>>71369872
tallis, byrd, morley

real bleak stuff

>>71369597
pentatonic scales

Seixas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kCHH8kfuxQ

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Was electronic art music just a fad?

The new stuff sounds less mindblowing than something by Arca or Autechre.

>>71369597
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iErAAnR0Pyw

>4.39
>that climax
>those strings

Is this what love feels like?

>>71369921
>Byrd
>Tallis
>Protestant

What piece drew you guys in to classical music?

>>71370698
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPNMYBfsqTY

This, seen live in Rome at New Year's Eve, 4 years ago. At the end of the Benedictus I was in tears.

>>71370698
Violin Sonata No. 9

>>71370698
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTl_GnlLH4U

dat andante

>>71370698
Waldstein

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What do you think of Eroica's funeral march?

>>71368765
But all I write is classical inspired stuff that has already been done 1,000x better by people before me
And I don't like atonal or serial shit

serial music would be better if it were called cereal because then at least it would remind me of breakfast

>>71371025
what's the most /classical/ breakfast btw?

A traditional full English breakfast?

>>71371025
pick 12 different cereals, eat one a day in a specific order without repeating and then rearrange the order that you eat them in. you now understand serialism

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>>71370961

>>71371055
Sounds like autism senpai

>>71367877
>Gubaidulina

so what's the name of your comedy show anon? xD

>>71370961

More like erotica funeral march

#pizzagate

>>71368509
Who is someone who made/makes similar music to Stockhausen but is better? I enjoy his style.

>>71371574
Xenakis

>>71371574
Unironically Dockstader

>>71368542
>0 good music
for you

>>71371574
Look for Darmstadt School composers

>>71371574

Autechre

>>71369303
>survive WWII
>get murked by some petty criminal right after it finally ends

>>71370698
arvo parte - tabula rasa

>>71372502
well deserved, he was an asshole

>>71372175
more like autISM

>>71372616
Aww, did he hurt your feefees?

>>71372674
he hurt my ears, for a start

>>71372742
Aw, poor dear. I'll rub your little bitch boy ears for you, mkay?

>be Webern
>get shot

>be Scriabin
>"I am god!"
>shave mustache
>die

>be Bach
>live a long and fulfilling life and have many children

>be Mozart
>eat shit and huff farts

>>71372753
rub this, bitch

>>71372933
I can't disrespect those dubs, you win

>be Chopin
>get cucked

>>71373096
you mean schumann

>>71373096
>be Beethoven
>transcend the human condition and emotionally impact everyone after you

>>71373111
that too

>>71369872
Bach and Beethoven

>be Boulez
>blow up the opera houses

>be Cage
>...

Just getting into Classical (and to a lesser extent Baroque).

Any recommendations?

>>71373193
Skip ahead and listen to piano sonata 21. It's the greatest work ever produced in music history, so you might as well get it out of the way quickly.

>>71373239
I agree, it's one of Schubert's best.

>>71369445
Read the post whose anon listed his favorite Russian composers and you'll see the "the five". The Five was a group of nationalistic Russian composers which includes Rimsky-Korsakov

>>71373317
Pretty sure that Anon figured that out, but thanks for clearing it up anyway.

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>be Wagner
>man, happy merchants suck
>get ripped off by Tolkien

>>71373604
>get ripped off by Tolkien
what do you mean?

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>>71368558
Buy this CD

>>71368653
YES

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>>71373666
>those pics
>in any way patrician

Point and laugh people, point and laugh

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>Jonas Kaufmann Withdraws From Met Opera's 'Tosca'

>>71373666
Were all of these released this year?

>>71370698
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD0ox4-WKHA

Mozart's Serenade no. 13 for Strings.

>>71373490
>parellel fifths

Only Liszt, Debussy, and Ravel are the exceptions

>>71373719
My taste is literally irreproachable.

>>71373719
>implying there's a better Ockeghem recording

>>71368558
as far as just his solo piano works go, try the Kreisleriana (Ryumina/Hofmann/Economou), Davidsbundlertanze (Rosen), Fantasie in C (Pletnev/Horowitz), 3rd piano sonata, especially the final movement (Goldsand/Ciccolini)

his lieder and chamber music are quite nice, orchestral stuff not so much

>>71373666
>he got rid of the Debussy/Ravel recording


Well played CLT

>>71374336
>>71374336
Not gonna lie I love the Abegg performance but what you said got under my skin

This will be the last revision for a while

>>71374386
i said that not him, lmao i knew that would get to you

>>71374404
Well thanks to you I found a CD well worth paying the used price for so I hope you're happy

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What was the last Mozart piece you listened to /classical/?
You do listen to him daily, right?

>>71374498
the capucon brothers recording is better anyway

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Was racism the cause of his downfall?

>>71374545
Maybe you should ask >>>/lit/

>>71374386
Top kek, I respect you CLT, and I say that as massive Debussy fan

I'm glad you're here though, I hope you stay here and cause massive butthurt towards pleb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxWvLvJYl5Y
Why is it so good /mu/?

>>71368542
Maybe you should look you mong

Sarro(i)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfgOIFaHVgs

>>71373193
Listen to Clementi instead of Moshart

>>71374589
I'll be gone by next week

>>71375299
FPTMIU

>>71373193
>>71373666

>>71375299
Hot opinion: this is more contrarian than recing JC Bach over JS.

>>71375436
I agree that onion

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>>71375358
>>71375436
SHUT THE FUCK UP

how to I make electroacoustic music?

>>71376154
Record your own farts, add some random noise effects here and there. Voila!

>>71374502
Piano Concerto No. 21 in C major.

>>71368542
Style absorbs the expressed thought or emotion of the artist into the language of itself and the more general language of the medium. Style promises truth through a new permutation of the conventional, as if it is contained within and must be derived from the style.
The specialist, where perhaps a splinter of independence resides, irritatingly, conflicts with the business of the industry. For the style of the industry, by its nature of superficial difference, becomes the absence of style. The tension between the following and breaking of stylistic rules slackens as the two become a meaningless whole. So, the ability of art to express and transcend reality dissipates as uniformity becomes absolute.
Today art is dressed in the garb of the political slogan, biographical introduction or included commentary and assessment. So, the price and meaning of the art is reduced in exchange for the advertisement. The industry relies on the supposed satisfaction of the sheer number of the works to be seen and heard yet it seeks to pierce this wall of the nameless with advertising and publicity.

>>71376317
>bum bum bum bummmm

:^)

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Are you guys good at identifying music, should it be piece or composer, when it's played on the radio? Personally find it difficult, especially if I haven't listened to the piece in a while.

>>71377439
who gives a shit?

>>71377531
:3

>>71370698
As a young child Brahms 2 Rhapsodien Op. 79 No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4Z95WuhZ_0
As a young teenager Rachmaninovs Piano Concerto No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjcx4a5rkB4
Around the time I turned nineteen Beethovens Piano Sonata Op. 110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7hiNR4wxUs&index=161&list=PLD9EEA6827C3A4DB0&t=499s

>>71373756
Reckon he's finished desu. All these years of singing Italian roles that weren't for him have finally caught up

>>71370961
Karajan is best

>>71373756
Isn't he sick, or something? He withdrew from the Elbphilharmonie premiere as well.

>be beethoven
>live in excrement

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>>71379135
is this the best thoven movie?

>>71376154
mix acoustic sounds/instruments with electronic sounds/effects/instruments

Any reason one shouldn't go for Boulez for all of Mahler's symphonies?

>>71379308
Here's a review from a Boulez fanboy, for some perspective on the DG releases:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R2YHOHM62A025V/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B000VGEJ3W

>>71379308
4 different orchestras

Go for Gielen for a similar style.

>>71367642
Kanye West

>>71374545
Othello isn't racist though, neither the play nor the character

>>71372524
*part

partician choice there

>>71373193
brahms, deutsches requiem

wagner, orchestral pieces by Abbado

>b-b-boGPOSTING is ruinging /classical/!1!!!!!11
>thread halfway over
>not a single bogpost
>one of the worst threads on /mu/

>>71371039
Lox and bagel, of course

>>71368527
>The suite in g minor and the toccata in b flat major available for download
How? I want to dl the suite in G minor but there's no button and save link as doesn't work either.

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>>71368542
You're wrong though.

>>71370984
That's because you haven't studied enough, my friend

Also composing serial music is extremely entertaining, give it a try

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What's some good post-1980 tonal music?
No minimalism shit, I want music as complex as Beethoven's music. Do we have geniuses like that?

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well done Beethoven...

HOWEVER

>>71379741
Thanks!

>>71381823
What's that?

>>71370775
>9.23
Just watched this part while stoned and it completely overwhelmed me.
Other music like this?

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I appreciate both Stockhausen, and his death, equally.

>>71381841
Atonal trash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXJWHG_6KAI

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Ready for the greatest Classical composer of our generation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqrlhgh2idc

>>71382318
>classical
>our generation
?

>>71382327
>>our generation
wait for the drum kit to come in you absolute faggot

>>71382327
shut the fuck up

>>71382318
Jesus Christ
I'm glad he's a poor bum who has to make videos on youtube to pay for his rent
I'm glad that he will die pennyless, anonymous as a failed musician

His body of work is unrivaled in history
he is no doubt the greatest composer of our generation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9BoGRnpois&list=PLPyqt9rE6s4spZjy_4IfNDg58sDQx7e5B

Music without aesthetic value is worthless
ie. 96 percent of atonal

>prove me wrong if you can

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>>71382371
>tfw you know for a fact that you're a better composer than Samuel Andreyev

Feels good

Also
>that room is mostly empty
Feels even better

>>71382418
99% of anything is shit so atonal is doing pretty good!

>>71382426
Post your music.

>>71382308
pleb

>>71382456
I don't want to link my name to 4chan, so I just want. You'll have to take my word on this (wich, I know, is worthless since we are on a anonymous board).

I'm looking for something that will give me the same feels i get from listening to Verklärte Nacht, especially that ONE theme.

>>71382418
Using the word aesthetic won't make you sound intelligent if the rest of the sentence is so meaningless.

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>>71382716
not answering the question doesn't answer the question.

>>71382780
There's no way to answer your challenge if you don't specify your theory of aesthetic value. I'm actually inclined to agree with you regarding a lot of atonal music but you really haven't said anything.

>>71382418
>music without value has no value
>i.e. music I don't like
wow, good post.

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Hey look I can write 10/10 atonal music too wow I'm genius.

>>71383091
>>71383483
My point was fairly simple and not unintelligible like you so badly want it to be.
Aesthetic value is an essential component of music. Without it, you have something entirely devoid of worth other than in intellectual circles where they delude themselves.

Why is Ferneyhough good? You can't answer that question unless you attach some nonexistent aesthetic value to his "music". Saying it's interesting or innovative does not make a piece of music good by any widely held understandable standard. Our society has come to value aesthetic value in music and so far no music without aesthetic value seems to be worth a damn, and for good reason.

>>71383640
you seem upset

>>71383712
That's why I'm writing this piece. The lack of harmony really expresses my emotions in such a clever way.

>>71382482
If you think your music is so great but don't want to post it then compose something and post that.

Essential Byzantine composers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VekWO6p5400&t=8s

post other classicaltube interesting videos

>>71384526
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OPBKP7c9Kg

Scott Ross Harpsichord lessons

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>>71384572
whoa

>>71384526
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bky5FHEKZjk

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What's his best /classical/?

>>71383703
>value aesthetic value
You are the Phillip Glass of musical criticism

>>71384755
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04O7lB2VrHY

Better than his studio recording

>>71384774
so, successful then

/classical/ films?

good films about, including or in any way relevant to classical music

>>71385000
Nodame Cantabile

>>71385016
You have to watch the TV drama before the films though

>>71385016
The manga and the anime are quite good too.

>>71385016
>>71385032
either way im a filthy nigger and have already seen every nodame cantabile product including both the korean and jap dramas, movies, and every animated thing they've come out with as well
keep em cumming boys

>>71384384
john koukouzelis

>>71385000
Mozart in the Jungle

>>71385094
already seen it too
im a grubby negro

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>>71385077
Watch it again

>>71385000
Chronik der Anna Magdalena Bach

>>71385171
>>71385181
seen it twice and seen it

>>71385171
>>71385063
>>71385016
kill yourselves for unironically recommending this fucking trash

>>71385250
Vivaldi Prince of Venice

>>71385256
this

>>71385256
But it's good.
If you don't like anime there are real life adaptations.

>>71385000
Death in Venice
Youth
Werckmeister Harmonies
Tous les matins du monde

>>71385296
The live action version is easily the best

>>71385338
>>71385266
ok now we're cooking with fire

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>>71385338
>Death in Venice
The ultimate in boipuccikino

DAE get horny when listening to Stockhausen?

>listen to Stockhausen
>see that he has no clothes, hes fully naked, and he's apparently unaware of it
>get a boner

>>71385441
Are women obsolete?

>>71385441
Can we please start banning pedophiles?

>>71385505
Keep supporting LGBTQ+ rights and in a few years everyone will be able to get their personal 18yo cute, freshly shaven, soft, perfumed girly trap.
It's on you, anon.

>>71385528
Classical music and pedophilia are intrinsically linked.

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>>71385443
>DAE get horny when listening to Stockhausen?
yes

>>71385557
Keep deluding yourself, freak

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>>71385577

>>71385638
faggot

>>71385441
Gee I wonder why Britten chose to make an operatic adaptation of the story...

>>71385577
Nothing freaky about liking cute boys.
Tchaikovsky agrees.

>>71385557
Only if you listen to Handel and Tchaikovsky.
There have been a shockingly (considered how many of them we've got in philosophy and literature) low amount of pedophiles in our classical canon.

>>71385677
>literally had to kill himself cause of it
Sure thing kiddo

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>>71385577
It all started with Brahms as a 14-year old "boy" getting passed around by Sailors and prostitutes, stripped, and fondled with when he was supposed to be playing at some gritty Tavern

The beautiful, long haired, blue eyed boy was real popular at those places where they would reportedly get him too drunk to stand and then pass around the boy stripped him and playing with him

this is the reason he never married and would only have sex with with prostitutes for the rest of his life.

>>71385694
>Only if you listen to Handel and Tchaikovsky.
Britten and arguably Bruckner too.

Though I guess Bruckner never diddled one, he did try to hook up with a lot of younger lasses.

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>>71385696
Brahms trap anime when?

>>71385694
Tchaikovsky didn't kill himself.
Although it's true he suffered depression.

>>71385696
>this is the reason he never married and would only have sex with with prostitutes for the rest of his life.

Give me a break, he had the best waifu in Continental Europe (Clara Schumann, who was a talented virtuoso, and a caring, traditionally loyal wife and mother), that's why he never got married: it wasn't worth it.

>>71385694
How many are there in literature/philosophy? All I know is John Ruskin and Lewis Carroll, and I don't think they ever acted on it

>>71385730
>Clara Schumann
>best waifu
She was a massive cunt, had she lived on the 20th century she would've been a feminist

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>>71385730
There is no evidence to suggest that, only evidence to suggest she turned him down as he was 14 years her junior and felt like a son to her

By Brahms own admission, he was molested as a 14 year old by prostitutes [and likely sailors]

he never married, instead preferring to satiate his needs at brothels for that reason

sorry the clara fanfics are far fetched
she loved that schizo, bobert

>>71385750
>>71385805
Fuck, Brahms was handsome

>>71385729
The historian consensus is that he poisoned himself in order to avoid a scandal (wich involved a relationship with a 17yo boy).

>>71385763
>She was a massive cunt
Prove it. She was a motherly figure for both his prole, Brahms and Robert (who was supported by her financially and medically in his later years).

I mean, just summarize who she is: a caring, loyal piano virtuoso who will promote your music, take care of your kids and pay for your rent and food.
She's one of the best waifus you can get in this gay world.

>she would've been a feminist
She had good reasons to have those tendencies, since she lived in a time of actual harsh repression of her gender. Hell, she never had the chance of publish her music cause of how fucked up the society was in her time.

>>71385805
>she loved that schizo, bobert

And that's why Brahms never married.

>>71385849
He was rather short but yeah, his facial aesthetic is godtier.

This thread is really going places.

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>>71385849
his eyes were quite blue

>>71385862
All faggots are child rapists

>>71385869
>The historian consensus is that he poisoned himself in order to avoid a scandal
The historian consensus is that he died from cholera, the suicide stuff was just rumours that originally began because it was great publicity for his 6th Symphony.

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>>71385911
t. you

>>71385941
You are mentally retarded

Gombert also had relations with a choirboy and got sentenced to hard labour in the galleys as punishment, before he was pardoned after writing his magnificat settings
>>71385869
http://www.therestisnoise.com/2004/05/tchaikovsky.html
Educate yourself my man
>>71385862
Even more so when it's a parallel-universe Gustav Mahler staring at a young Polish boy at different locations in Venice

>>71385869
>Prove it
She got triggered by Liszt and Wagner for god's know what reason, defaming them and suppressing references to their works in her husband's opus.

>>71385993
because their music was too liberal

her, brahms, Schumann, joachim and others are considered the conservatives and baethoven fucbois

wagner and liszt were the libtards

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Romantics

it had to do with musical style but i believe she would've been conservative politically too

>Beethoven never diddled kids

Thanks God.

>>71385993
>Liszt

Her main criticism were directed to his earlier works, wich were nothing special (they were actually somewhat amateurish, too showy) but they were still being hailed as some of the most popular music in Europe. I would have been bitter too.

>Wagner
Wich was in complete antithesis with what she and her husband were composing, in a time where compositional ''errors'' were still a thing.

She was a woman of her time, that's not enough to disqualify her as a bad waifu.

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Clara's main gripe with Wagner was his Tristan Und Isolde which she had to leave because she was too repulsed by its chromaticism and other progressive practices

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdjFBW-S3z0

as for any animosity between Brahms and the fags [progressives], the hatred was mostly directed the other way as Wagner didn't like Brahms and I think Brahms fell asleep during a liszt concert once

Were composers such as Schumann, Schubert and Mozart (people who composed frantically in a very short amount of time) able to hear orchestrated music in their head?
If I think about music at best I can hear a echo of a melody, and maybe a weak harmonic background, but that's it. Were they in my same boat?

>I decided to go to see Rheingold. I felt as if I were wading in a swamp the whole evening.
Was Clara the original bogposter?

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>>71386136
They could probably hear nothing else at times

>>71386135
He fell asleep when Liszt was playing his sonata.
The greatest post-Beethoven sonata ever wrote and that fuccboi fell asleep.

>>71386135
Brahms supposedly fell asleep during the premiere of the B Minor Sonata. If true, Brahms is wandering very close to plebeian territory.

>>71381804
Schnittke

>>71386136
Mozart was deaf dumb and blind, also he had no hands. and no legs.

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Brahms was the best Romantic composer followed by Wagner. Robert was likely next and then maybe Berlioz or Liszt
-Schubert was one of the best composers to come out of the era but he wasn't the best romantic composer [didn't embody romanticism best]

In your opinion, what are some of the best or most unique conceptions of sonata form?

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>>71385894
>filename

>>71386161
he had a long carriage ride before that and it's not like it compared to any of Brahms symphonies or chamber output

>>71386144
Big if true

>>71386224
Well, Bach didn't know any theory and never practiced. He just played and hoped for the best.

>>71386234
Beethoven invented a different sonata form in each piano sonata with the exception of maybe the early one's

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>>71385750
I understand him

>>71386247
Not an excuse.

>>71386301
It is, he's Brahms

>>71386226
pffffff
Chopin >>> any german romantic, probably excluding Wagner

>>71386234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAjhd2dLF9k

>>71386135
I think Brahms and Wagner's feelings towards one another were more complicated. Their inner circles often warred with one another, but that also had many mutual friends and Brahms quoted Wagner a lot in his music. Not to mention he made more than a few positive remarks regarding Tristan (Act 2, in particular, which, by the way, he quoted the most). He also made some not-so-positive remarks, but you can interpret them in different ways depending on the context.

It seems he was the most fond of Meistersinger.

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More like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT_KmqNVueA&t=40s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRSdMQBjLrU

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>>71386335
Reminder.

>>71386348
why did Nietzsche despise Brahms so much

>>71386144

Post the source!

>>71386357
Reminder that you're embarrassing.

>>71386359
>"N-notice me Wagner-senpai!"

>>71386326
Liszt is better than Brahms though.

>>71386375
not really, it was after his break with Wagner, he despised them both, but hated Brahms

>>71386377
ur probably gay too

>>71386390
I don't know, then. Never really took an interest in Nietzsche.

How do I start writing again

>>71386399
Well I am but they were both fuccbois so I don't see how that matters.

>>71386348
>YOU'RE a bogbilly
>no YOU'RE a bogbilly

I can see a possible synthesis to this conundrum.

>>71385993
>tfw no piano virtuoso gf (whose father can teach you everything you need to know to become the greatest romantic composer ever) who supports you and your kids, promotes your music and takes care of you when depression gets to heavy, and hates with you cheap compositions by Liszt and Wagner

Fuck, Bob Schumann was a lucky guy
He probably got crazy because Clara was too good of a waifu

>>71386370
t. Chopincuck

>>71386360
Diary entry from the 26th April 1882

>>71386433
Being Bob is suffering, actually.

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>>71386445
>tfw bogposting is vindicated as a historical practice

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>>71386377
>life may be hard but at least you're not this pleb

>>71386470
>posting feels
Well you seem to be trying hard.

>>71386463
At least he had based Clara at his side

>>71386504
>posting feels
nice post, grampa

>>71386464
Indeed. It would appear that the Germans are not only better at bogposting than you, but did so far before your time.

Another chink in the armor of your dear novelty, bogposter.

Best Italian?

>>71386586
Scarlatti and Dallapiccola

>>71386586
Monteverdi, Verdi and Puccini

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>>71386586
Veracini

>>71386586
Luigi Russolo

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>>71386586
Mozart.

Name an Op. 1 better than Berg's piano sonata.
Protip: you can't.

>>71386836
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtktswl3rNQ

Mahler's piano quintet

>>71386876
That doesn't have an opus you dumb dumb

>>71367397
>death appreciation
So you're glad he's dead?

>>71386836
proko

>>71386910
congrats on getting the joke right as the thread is ending

>>71386836
It isn't as good, but Enescu's Op. 1 is pretty impressive for a 16 year old

>>71386903
No Mahler composition had an opus number.
Yet, this is his first work we know of.

>>71386836
Brahms Op. 1 piano sonata

>>71386836
my op. 1 desu

>>71386738
????????????

>>71386836
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkv35btR42I

He wrote this when he was 15
almost as good as his masterpiece (fugue in A minor)

>>71386966
Several of his operas are in Italian

>>71386988
Well yeah, but that doesn't make him Italian haha
I speak French but that doesn't mean I'm from France.

Where's the new thread??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZO8JfO5-_A

NEW THREAD
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>>71387018
>>71387018

>>71386994
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