/classical/

>>71323748
Chopin was a good composer

>>71323787
He's ok

>>71323787
*good pianist, okay composer

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>tfw Grieg Op.47

>>71323787
I'm more of a Grieg fan

>>71323748
Is that Woody Allen doing the Piano Sonatas?

>>71323882
Op.54 is when it starts getting magical

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So, anyway, an interpretation/performance can be very bad and simultaneously preferable to another one. If you had to spend the night in the wilderness with nothing but a shack and a bog nearby, naturally, everyone would pick the shack even though it's bad. The quality of the bog disqualifies it from the start, regardless of how close all of its quantitative parameters improve it, even up to the Platonic Bog, it's still a bog and thus unfit for Human dwelling. The shack is a bad choice but also the best choice.

I must confess that I don't know where to take this argument if one were to disagree. It would be akin to someone never having set foot inside a house of any kind, so much so that he would prefer the bog.

Which would make him a...

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>>71323882
More like Op.38

Is Handel skippable?

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Delicious Rosen

>>71324045
Unless you really enjoy operas and oratorios, yeah he's skippable. Don't let that awful patriciancore chart make you think otherwise; it still thinks Faust is at all relevant in today's musical context.

>>71324045
You have to listen to Water Music and Messiah at least

>>71324098
There's a good amount of stuff on there that I actually enjoy on that chart though, figured I'd enjoy Handel too. But I'm a bit reluctant to into Operas.

>>71324148
Okay, I can deal with some suites, maybe not some an Opera yet.

>>71323930

Guys from the last thread, when you're done wiping away the tears from your face - and that mud Jesus Christ - read this a few times while taking deep breaths, it's a valuable idea.

>>71324045
It depends. Are you a philistine who knows nothing about the craft behind every piece of music? Skip him, he will be boring.

If you instead know anything about theory and composition listen to him, you will quickly find out that he was a genius.
Always remember that he was Beethoven's favourite composer.

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>>71324180
His operas and oratorios are good but they can be rather samey and repetitive, including self-plagiarisation. If you want to get in to his vocal music a good place is his cantatas, some of the best. His keyboard music, and various sonatas are also pretty great.

When did you realize that CLTs entire plan has been to make everyone but Schubert look like shit by recommending trash recordings?

>>71324266
>Self-plagiarisation
who cares about stuff like this?

>>71324428

Definitely not the Germans.

When did you realize how based Haydn was?

>>71324462
When I listened to his Sunrise quartet.
Also when I listened to his late sonatas.

>>71324404
I support his plan.

>>71324204

The craft behind music is irrelevant.

>>71324098
Op. 3 by Faust is really good.

>>71324996
Maybe for you, plebe.

>>71324996
I'm laughing at your ignorance.

>>71325025
>>71325049

>i shit on your floor after eating beans
>i shit on your floor after eating peanuts
>these are two different things

>>71324996
Agreed. Musical message and feeling is the sole grading basis for any piece of music. This is why contemporary music has failed.

>>71325103
Not an argument.

>>71325140

Exactly.

>>71325175
You're a big man for admitting your shortcomings.

Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w433wbM14Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jem-LgKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MU1T6uDXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s22fNJdICQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an77qFp0Y9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BSfYz4_Gbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xweAry37KUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOVF-33A9HI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqSAGwa49MM

The suite in g minor and the toccata in b flat major available for download
http://www.saladelcembalo.org/archivio.php

>>71325129
No. Contemporary music failed because it went too far the other way, to the point where it became almost exclusively about craft. Craft is very important, though, and in no way "irrelevant."

It's about a careful balance between the musical message/feeling and craft. The extremes of either spectrum are a negative thing.

>>71324996
This

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What is the peak of Piano music?

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Is Furtwängler a meme?

>>71324045
Decide for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX_M7T879kU&index=293&list=PLD9EEA6827C3A4DB0

>>71326158
>describing music as a meme

>>71326158
No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBXzM6ac_kE

>>71326158
A lot of his EMI (Warner LOL) recordings are pretty shit, especially the Beethoven which is too damn slow.

Post-1950s Furt is pretty hit-or-miss. It depends. Anything before that is almost always interesting.

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>>71326759
Here's one of my favorite recordings of his; a thrilling Brahms and Franck, though I still find Fracnk just a bit too slutty.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk01dTrEtRc
Incredible

>Sonata 15 is famous for one of its themes, which matches the theme of Paganini's Caprice No. 24 almost exactly; it is possible that Paganini was inspired by Biber, just as Franz Liszt, Johannes Brahms and Sergei Rachmaninoff were later inspired by Paganini's Caprice.
Where? I listened to the whole thing I didn't hear it anywhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htdzq63dPAs

>>71326946
Is this recording available anywhere in high quality?

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>>71327446
I believe, pic related is the same conductor & orchestra recorded in 2012, but the performance In the video is from last year so there could have been some major changes in the latter, but from what I've heard the former is still a fantastic recording of Nos. 5 & 7.

>>71324045
The fact that someone would ask such a question proves that Handel is underrated.

Are Monteverdi, Vivaldi, Bach, Scarlatti, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Berlioz, Mendelssohn, Schumann, Chopin, Liszt, Wagner, Verdi, Bruckner, Brahms, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, Janacek, Mahler, Puccini, Debussy, Strauss, Scriabin, Rachmaninoff, Schoenberg, Ravel, Bartok, Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Shostakovich, and Messiaen skippable?

>>71327918
no, yes, no, no, no, no, no, no, yes, yes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yes, yes, no, no, yes, no, no, no, yes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

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>>71327918
Absolutely, listen to Grieg and Reger for the rest of your life

>>71327959
You don't actually believe Vivaldi is skippable r-right anon?

>>71328002
hehehe

>>71327959
You sure about Puccini?

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Is Richter skippable? And why the answer 'absolutely fucking yes he is'

Are Concertos the pinnacle of art music?

The texture of a Symphony, the emotion and prowess of a Sonata, the beauty of a String Quartet all packed into one.

Who is the classical equivalent to Taeyeon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHXUM-6a3dU

@71328965
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y18_t-UjESs

>>71328097
Sviatoslav?
Karl?
Franz Xaver?
Max?

>>71329007
Had no idea Yoko Ono played the Cello

>>71329098
That anon, is down to you.

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>>71324045
to all you Handel-Haters out there... Suck on my baby-nub... Can you be any more obvious? "I don't like Handel" "I Don't like him." Handel was certainly no Bach of course, but Bach could never write a stupid-little-Gigue like like Handel that makes you thump your foot like an imbecile... The Messiah is good asshole. There is no way around that fact... Is Handel too simple for you? Theres that qoute by Butler, right, that Handel is so good and so simple that only a musician can't understand him... Pop in the anything by thefat-pig , and unless your a sack-less bitch... A stupid bitch bitch... A weakling cunt whore bitch... With stupid pretty-hands... WHo smells good... You'll fucking appreciate it... It takes a tiny, tiny bit of transcending temporal limitations (i.e. Black metal, Punk Rock = Zadok the Priest, Since by Man came death, ect. ect. But seriously... Seriously... Clip one. Just clip one you sad clown, if you can't dig-out to Handel. Beethoven, who I'm sure YOU love, Loved handel. So take his word for it, because I know your not stupid enough to think your smarter than Beethoven. Or that your subjective opinion shouldn't automatically change when it conflicts with his.

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>>71329190
fat people can't make good music anon, his portraits where incredibly forgiving. Could he even stand to conduct?

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>>71327984
>you won't ever marry young Martha Argherich
>she won't ever give you extremely useful secret tips to improve your piano playing
>sweaty Martha won't ever cuddle with you after an exhausting concert


why live?

>hating on Handel
>not trusting based Beethoven, who thought that Handel was the best composer in the Western canon

you guys suck

>>71329597
get. a. girlfriend.

>>71329622
lol what a retarded opinion. beethoven is obviously the greatest composer

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>>71329597
I hate to make /classical/ waifu, but it's a slow thread.

Martha Argherich and Anne-Sophie Mutter are truly gorgeous specimens, and both execellent players.

>>71329622
>"B-but Beethoven liked him"

not an argument

>>71329714
You literally have no reason not to trust Beethoven. I'm 100% sure you haven't studied any Handel score: you're the one that is not following the principle of charity here.

>>71329672
>"Handel is the greatest composer who ever lived. I would uncover my head and kneel down at his tomb"

pzeztzozlzdz

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.

>>71330424
sucx

>>71330424
>downloading complete collections of the great composer

Why would you care about every commercial Beethoven early lieder, every shit minor Bach Cantata, every repetitive Mozart menuet?
They were consistent, but not so much to justify listening to literally everything they've ever composed.

pastorale
p a s t o r a l e
p a z t o d a l d
p a t z o l d l d
p a t z o l d l
p e t z o l d

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Post your favourite sacred text. I'll start: Infelix Ego (best setting by Lassus). Meditations on the Miserere by Girolamo Savonarola shortly before being executed.

"Where shall I go? Where shall I turn? To whom shall I fly? Who will take pity on me? To heaven I dare not lift my eyes"

Very powerful sentiments in that one, unfortunately it's not on youtube.

https://clyp.it/bphub3ny

Is Lassus as close as we've got to the music of Heaven?
Lassus made me turn Christian.

>>71332100
When the angels play for God, they play Bach. But when they play for themselves, they play Mozart. -- Karl Barth

>>71332100
There was a Lassus duet at church tonight, coincidentally.

>>71332100
He's pretty good. Palestrina and Morales are just as good if not better imo

Can /classical/ even name 5 (FIVE) contemporary composers that they like?

>>71334355
Penderecki, Part, Reich, Glass, Adams

Is there a chart for classical music plebs like me?

>>71334355
Me, myself, I, je, yo

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>>71323748
I've been wanting to get into classical for a while now. Can somebody recommend me just one opera or symphony or whatever to listen to, just to get my feet wet?

Every beginner's list I see includes a ton of things and I have no clue where to begin.

>>71334932
Richard Wagner: Tristan und Isolde.

>>71334932
Be sure to go with the Furtwangler recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TFB7PCSfN0

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>>71334954
Much appreciated my friend.

>>71334982
Wtf are you saying. Karajan is best.

You can find the libretto online.

Be careful because it's exhaustingly powerful.


If you're /lit/ at all and like theatre then you'll love opera.

>>71332697
Have you thought of giving up your tripcode for Lent?

>>71334954
Way to rec the shittiest thing imaginable. Only Mahluh is worse than Wagnuh

>>71335632
>Wagner is bad
>Mahler is bad

Are we listening to the same music anon? Are you sure you've actually heard them?

>>71335676
theyre both fucking shit and the epitome of boring romantic sewage

>>71323748
>classical
>patrician
Wew

>>71335701
Yeah because your tonal ancient baroque ugly harpiscord music is better dude.

Baroque fags actually think they're superior for listening to antiquated music, can you get any more pretentious?

>>71335830
there are good romantic composers, those just arent the good ones.

>>71324186

>wiping
>the first i is pronounced different from the second i
>the phoneme is the same but different
>LANGUAGE IS CONTRADICTORY - /classical/ 2017

How do you guys manage to breathe? Lungs are there to receive air, but they're also there to expel it! Breathing is nonsensical. Stop doing it.

>>71336000
shut up

>>71336785
make me loser

>>71336806
i just did

>>71326602

Handel is the fossil under the bog. Terrible. The drawbacks of Bog, Mozart, and Beethoven but so apathetic and dry that you can't even make fun of him.

Reminder that Telemann is underrated

>>71336991
There's a lot wrong with this post, but especially the implication that Mozart has any drawbacks.

>>71337003
There's exactly one Telemann piece that gets regular airplay, and I always catch the very end and incorrectly guess what it is.

>>71338047

I guess you're right. Drawbacks require advantages and Mozart has none.

On a scale of 9.99... to 10 how ahead of his time was Telemann?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPdmzLutnjs

>>71338152

8.06

Is it really possible to hear emotional sincerity, or lack thereof, in a performance?

>>71339347
Yes but it mostly the listener's projection of what they regard as emotion.

>>71323748
pleb, looking to be educated.
I understand how important is the composer, why are the people playing the piece important, so long as they do it exactly as the composer intended?

whats the difference between a Casals on a cello and some random dude? You are executing on an algorithm, why is the performer of the piece important?

>>71334954
lol only thing I think when I see Wagner is that he was nazi-approved
>inb4 Shostakovich
false equivalence

>>71339824

His contribution to genocide is insignificant next to his contribution to musicide.

>>71340039

He was also a bogbilly.

Was Callas overrated?

>>71340306
vis a vis today's Ke$ha?
Probably not.

rec me some 3+ hour sets of chrstian choral music for me to [spoiler]buy[/nospoilerson/mu/]

>>71340306
She was a very good singer, one of the best. Her obnoxious, obsessive fans will tell you everything she did was ne plus ultra and make you hate her.

>>71339796
Any given performance will entail thousands and thousands of individually tiny decisions on the interpreter's part. It isn't a matter of "executing an algorithm" the way a "composer intended." It's a matter of taking a set of blueprints of a piece of music and spinning them into a cohesive whole that's greater than the sum of the notes and silences.

why the fuck is there no folder for whats in OPs pic, am i supposed to find it all by myself? HERESY

>>71339796

See for yourself.

A mediocre performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvtdjIIcgWQ

An outstanding performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAT5vPtfHAk

>>71339796
Listen to Bach's WTC performed by Gould then by Koroliov.

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>He doesn't start the day with a symphony

>>71341013
more like start the gay lmao

Honestly, why even bother listening to string quartet made by anyone is isn't Haydn and Mozart?

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What's the difference between historically informed practice and nightcore remixes?

>>71341013
>he doesn't start the day by transcribing and analyzing a string quartet

Look at this loser

>>71341314
>he doesn't start the day by playing a full piano concerto with his loving family

Can't believe I share a board with these people

>>71341335
>he doesn't start the day by emptying his pee jars can't believe the normie trash here

>>71336811
holy shit you really did make that guy shut up o___o

>>71327872
Is this CLT's new tripcode?

>>71341305
Nightcore just takes some retard 5 minutes to speed the song up in Audacity. HIP requires a whole team of performers training and practicing for many years to get the same result.

>>71341275
The genre might have peaked during the Classical period, but lots of worthy composers have made their mark since then. Grieg, Janácek, Carter, to name a few.

>>71341543
It was supposed to be the old one, but I mistyped.

>>71341013

I take a short walk through a fetid bog, the effect is almost the same.

>>71338356

Oh and, by the way, this means bog. 8=B, 0=O, 6=G.

>>71341838
8008135

>>71340364
bump

>>71341928
>>71340364
http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-ockeghem-collection-box-set-mw0001860021

>>71341983
cheers buddy

>>71340364
>>71341928
Look for Philippe Herreweghe's Lassus recordings. Well over 5+ Hours when put together

There's Hieremiae prophetae lamentationes, Cantiones sacrae sex vocum, Psalmi Davidis poenitentiales, Lagrime di San Pietro and Moduli Quinis vocibus.
His recordings are great aswell, some of my favourite Lassus recordings.

>>71341928
Harmonia Mundi Sacred Music Box
Franco-Flemish Masterworks - Hilliard Ensemble
Bach, Complete Catatas - Suzuki, Gardiner, Koopman, the list goes on
Bortnyansky: Sacred Concertos
Vivaldi, complete Sacred Music - King
1000 Years of Sacred Music
Magnificat: 500 Years of Choral Masterworks

>>71323930
>A performance can be bad and simultaneously preferable to a worse one
Am I missing some subtle nuance to this truism or is it actually a contentious topic that there are varying shades of shit?

>>71342091

yes

>>71342091
I can play beautifully a performance by ignoring, for example, most of the dynamics that are noted on the score. In the same way I could play a poor performance that actually sticks to the composer directions.

If you don't care about how close the interpretation is to the score then what that anon is saying may be nonsensical. If, instead, you actually care about what the composer had to say about his music what that anon is saying is trivial truism.

It all depends on your relationship with the score.

>>71342786
I didn't figure this was particularly contentious either... Surely the best performance is the one which is most enjoyable? If that's achieved by a Bernstein fucking around with the score or a baroque performance done to the letter on period instruments, who cares?

what's some patrician folk music? I can't into art music

>>71343898
Bartok's piano music

>>71343898
I'm confused. Why are you asking the art music thread? Surely, this is like going into /bleep/ and asking for jazz recs?

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>>71343950
>read op as patrician general

>>71343898
Get into Irish and Celtic traditional folk, lot of roots in Classical and Baroque, might get you to appreciate art music alittle more.

Are Liszt's Consolations his easiest piano pieces?

>>71344758
Easiest out of his most well known works, maybe, although the entire set is closer to intermediate in general.

S.192 is easier. Some of his late works especially the religious ones like the Sancta Dorothea are easier. He has plenty of album leaf pieces that are much easier than the Consolations. Nuages Gris, La Lugubre Gondola, En Reve, etc. Liszt wrote an absolute shit ton of music.

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I promise I won't edit it again for a long time.

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>>71344758
Listen to all 99 discs and come back with your findings.

>>71345523
Not everyone is a masochist, you know.

Best biographies of composers? Esp. interested in Mozart but curious to hear any recommendations

>>71345427
Not interested in classical symphony?

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>>71345523
>all 99 discs

Post THICC music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ui598mTAAs

>>71345427
btw is this the real CLT? We used to get along around 2012/2013. Tripped as 'dinosaur.'

Your Pérotin rec was a revelation back then.

>>71345671
Finding an entire set of Grove dictionaries at a yard sale for 80 bucks was one of the best purchases I ever made.

>>71345696
Just wasn't room. Same with how there's no Romantic or Modern opera.

>>71345715
I remember dinosaur.

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What do you guys think about papa Haydn ?
I really some of his stuff, especially his quartets "Sunrise" and "Emperor"
Although i rarely see him mentioned. Can anyone recommend me other interesting work from him ?

>>71345427
>CLT fell for the Herreweghe meme
How's the Harnoncourt? He can be hit or miss in Mozart.

>>71346132
I heard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZvdLTOeK2k and had to get the rest of the set.

That Harnoncourt is good. Improvisation isnt as tight as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pwbg37Ha64 but lately I've been listening to too much HIP.

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>>71346276
>falling for the HIP meme
Try the Quatuor Mosaïques. Their Mozart is good but their Haydn is the best imo, ignore poly and his meme set.
Same for >>71346104 too.

>>71345523
That's a big guy

>>71346104
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgEt2fncIaI

>>71346328
I don't even want to know what poly is peddling these days.

>>71343860
>Surely the best performance is the one which is most enjoyable?

That's debatable. I prefer to listen to what Beethoven had in mind instead of what the umpteeth piano virtuoso wants to play.

That said, it depends on the score. If you're playing, for example, a Bartok score you've got carte blanche, you know for a fact that the composer himself was fine with the performer doing what he wanted with his score.
If you're playing, instead, Beethoven you know for a fact that he wanted you to play exactly what it's written with in the score, and that he despised any deviation from those directions. In that case you know for a fact that there are objectively wrong interpretations.

Wether you should despise them or not is still up to you, but your judgement should account for the composer's intentions.

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>Nicolai Gedda died two months ago
>Nicolai Gedda was still alive
Welp.

>>71346472
La mort de l'auteur, faggot

>>71346642
It doesn't have anything to do with my argument.

It would be like saying that the death of the author means that publishers can edit however they want the books in their catalogue, regardless of what the author wrote in the first place.

I can criticize a edition of Dante's Inferno if 3 cantos are missing, in the same way I can criticize a pianist if he decides to play all the pianissimos as fortissimos, and I would have very good reasons to do so.

>>71323748
>Faust
everytime

>>71346642
It's not a spell you can summon and it's not the be-all end-all. It's part of a centuries-long fraught conversation on intent and the limits of interpretation.

>>71346542
Yeah I was surprised too. As well as the fact that he'd been dead for a month before it was actually announced

Does somebody know a place where I can find video recordings of operas up for download?

>>71346823
rutracker

>>71345427
>CLT is HIP now
what went right?

>>71345427
Any modern recs CLT?

>>71346472
I think it's a bit more up-in-the-air regarding Beethoven. Weren't some of his favorite performers also huge on improvisation?

>>71346688
Well said.

>>71346998
It depends on the genre. Solo keyboard music I almost always want on a modern instrument. Pre-1800 chamber music on the other hand never sounds right on modern instruments, since they throw the intended balance way off. Concerti I used to always prefer modern, but lately some of my favorite recordings I have are Levin playing fortepiano with Christopher fucking Hogwood.

>>71347015
Been a while since I heard good new music.

>>71347144
He often improvised on his own compositions in his youth, when he was still able to perform, but had very low tolerance for other musicians when they did not follow his score.

I can remember only one istance in wich he approved a different version of his Appassionata, played by the Baroness Dorothea von Ertmann (he dedicated to her his 28th sonata too). I'm not sure if it's the only one, but I'm sure that it was a very rare situation.

>>71347153
You dislike the harpsichord?

>>71347153
CLT, what's your opinion on composing tonally in the 21st century?
Be honest, are you still interested in contemporary music that just strives to be sentimental and beautiful (not in a banal, simplistic way, of course)?

CLT is a pleb

>>71347365
CLT is a opinionated, educated listener.
He's for sure one of the best anons in this general.

>>71347378
true but he likes handel so hes a turbopleb

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Is this legit?

http://www.poetryinternationalweb.net/pi/site/poem/item/513/auto/When-Mozart-was-murdered

>>71347404
Is Beethoven a turbopleb too?

>"Handel is the greatest composer who ever lived. I would uncover my head and kneel down at his tomb"

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>>71347410
>Brendel actually wrote this

I blame Pushkin

>>71347431
>Is Beethoven a turbopleb too?
yes

>>71347153
>Been a while since I heard good new music
You like Carter right? Can i have some Carter recs?

>>71347321
Sibelius is the last great largely tonal composer I know of. Any others of note?

>>71348016
Rautavaara

Petzold

Which contemporary composers are still making sacred music?

>>71348785
hopefully none

>>71348785
arvo part, tavener (although he's dead now), jenkins, john rutter.

>>71345909
>wasn't room
>3 Handel records
>Faust
>4 Renaissance albums and almost nothing contemporary

No, you just don't know what you're doing.

>>71348785
Basically anyone who has ever written anything for choir.

>tfw I've had some sort of lingering tonsilitis/laryngitis/heavy cold for the past 3 weeks so haven't been able to properly sing during that time at all

reeeeeeeeeeee

I've practiced for the first time on the piano. I've played for about 2 hours scales with both hands in parallel and contrary motions, with very few pauses.
At the end I felt extremely dizzy, almost as if I were high. Is it normal?

>>71348966
>>3 Handel records
See what I mean? Not even room for Messiah.
>>Faust
aka the greatest band ever
>>4 Renaissance albums and almost nothing contemporary
Keep in mind that those span several centuries of music. If any era is overrepresented it's the 19th century with its seven.

>>71326158
Schubert's D. 969, Debussy's Etudes, and Scriabins Sonata no 5

Thoughts on Alan Hovaness?

>>71350096
A good second rate composer, Only listen to his essentials and Armenian influenced choral music

>>71345427
Where's the Jazz section? You should do a Jazz chart btw

>>71350374
jazz and patriciancore are two entirely exclusive genres, my friend

>>71350497
same for rock, but the chart claims otherwise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wc02nue4hc

I want more schizo music like this sonatina.

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>>71346542
My grandpa was still alive a couple months ago, and he was Gedda's elder by over 5 years

Kirk Douglas is 100 years old and alive right now

>>71351775
It's time for Kirk to go. That can't be considered life.

>>71343898
There's no patrician folk music, only art music is patrician

>>71351574
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkSK3Jc4EEE

>>71351892
He seems to be doing alright

Only Mozart is patrician.

>>71351999
Add an "if" to the start of that and change the "is" to a "were" and you've got it.

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>>71351999
The only reason he's the only patrician is because he's pleb proof

His Piano Concertos are the eye at the top of music's pyramid

I know that there's a whole "It's boring" thing going for contemporary neoclassical, and I agree, but I'm searching for something comfy.

What are your favourite contemp. classical albums?

>>71323748
>3 Handles
>only 1 Mozarts
Further proof Mozart is still being constantly underrated in 2017

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>>71352044

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what a fucking hack

>>71352089
I don't think there's many famous contemporary neoclassical composers

Do you mean modern?

>>71352134
Pleb detected

>>71352139
see
>>71352157

>>71352139
My apologies, I meant Contemporary Classical

The term would of course otherwise confusing, wouldn't it
In any case, most of the time, contemporary classical has mostly catered to my needs when searching for something that I'd hug my pillow to, and rarely found something tagged as that genre that didn't match the same aesthetic

Which is why I refer to it as "contemporary classical"

>>71352089
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2koeE44svc

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>>71352204
Don't know how contemporary you want but this has recs up to the 90's

>>71352251
I appreciate the reply, but this is not what I'm searching for, as I've listened to them and know what they represent.

>>71352215
Gosh, thank you, this is quite enjoyable.

You can also take Thursday Bloom and the Donnie Darko OST as a reference, in case you might have other recommendations.

Easy piano pieces of Bach that actually belong to J.S Bach?

>>71352609
How easy we talking here? The WTC has a lot of fairly easy pieces.

>>71352609
Bach never wrote music for the piano.

>>71352251
So when did music go downhill?

>>71352609
Something something Petzold.

>>71353032
meme

>>71353441
The truth is not a meme.

>>71347015
Thought of one: lately I've been really enjoying Chris Stapleton's old band the Steeldrivers.

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>>71353982
>Look this up
>It's dude-country buttrock

>>71354078
Listen to "Ghosts of Mississippi"

CLT is a faggot stop giving him attention

>>71354160
I-i think he's a pretty cool guy...

>>71354147
Meh, it's alright but a lot of modern country songs sound long-winded to me

>>71354313
99% of the trash Nashville puts out under a "country" label is just bad pop with a folksy accent. Stapleton is going to Make Country Great Again though.

I do agree with you that the song didn't need a decoy ending + coda. They probably only put it on because it was the album closer.

CLT I've found that I've started increasingly listening to Morton Feldman and Max Richter after many years of Mozart and Schubert. What happened?

>>71354481
CLT are you supporting Trump ironically or post-ironically?
>>71354548
Your taste might be getting worse.

post god tier guitar serenades

>>71353032
>fugue was written for every instrument in C

>>71345707
>filename
my siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiides

>>71354548
I basically quit listening to music for a while, and for months after that I only listened to country. I wouldn't read too much into it (unless it's causing you to underrate Mozart, in which case talk to a parent or other trusted adult).

>>71354731
Tough to say. I'm not under any illusions that he's going to make my life measurably better, nor do I align with him on many policy positions, but the personality cult was a ton of fun, and even if he doesn't manage to destroy liberal democracy, he's at least humiliating it on an hourly basis and hopefully undermining its institutions.

>>71355328
That actually is pretty good.

>>71355426
>for months after that I only listened to country
What kind of honky-tonk shit have you been listening to? A good compilation for the Carter Family would be great.
>the personality cult was a ton of fun
I will never forget seeing Pennsylvania switch red on election day. We shitposted a president into being.

>>71355426
Post your favourite nationalist composers.

>>71355669
I had class on election night and fully expected to lose, but hopefully by >30 electoral votes. Imagine my surprise when I get into the car at 9:45, turn on cspan radio, and learn that every single swing state is breaking his way.

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>>71355818
>tfw reluctant Hillary voter
>tfw thought it didn't matter and she would win anyways

>>71355767
In practice doesn't that just mean any 19th century composer who wasn't German or French? I'm trying to think of any who weren't adopted by nationalist romantics.

>>71355669
Forgot to answer, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAOVRkSCWmg is pretty representative

Stop listening to pleb shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4srzcTt-ysg

>>71355960
For a second after the thumbnail flashed I thought it was a Hot Tuna video lol

>>71355960
Classical guitar is a meme.

Why does John Tavener get hate here?

I went to sleep with thoughts of Mozart in head and I had a dream about being bullied in High School

>>71353032

Bach never wrote music.

>>71353057
When we let niggers get away with playing instruments.

>>71356101
I have no idea what this place is like any more.

>>71357771
>through early morning bog i see
>visions of the keys to be
>the modulations all empty
>the feces of the bogbilyyyyy
>counterpoint is painless
>it never does engage us
>and i can jig or boogie if i pleeeease

>>71349948
what about 20th century though you muppet

3 handels is inexcusable, but we're talking about the guy who didn't put J.S. Bach on an "abridged guide to the classical canon" so its clear he just doesn't know what he's doing.

>Faust
aka the greatest band ever
not even in the top 100 matey.

>>71359959
>what about 20th century though
Had its redeeming moments now and again but was generally a step in the wrong direction.

>3 handels is inexcusable
I agree, but what could have been omitted to leave room for more? Surely not Mozart or Corelli.

>not even in the top 100 matey
Now you're being silly.

>>71360165
You missed Bach, not that I ever took your charts seriously.

>can't into 20th century
>can't into Bach
>included some shit band on a classical chart

>>71359959
Stop trying to fix a chart called 'patrician', its only point is to be as far up its own asshole as possible.

>>71360349
^Don't listen to him. It is sensible for you to be angry. Continue complaining and underrating Faust.

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How can one man get his Symphony No.3 & No.6 so right, but make No.5 lack the 'Beethoven kick' and emotion delievered on so many recordings of that Symphony prior to this recording.

>>71360165
>but what could have been omitted to leave room for more?
Entire bottom 2 rows for starters

>>71360975
I don't know of many conductors with full cycles I like as much as I like my few favorites.

>>71361003
Do you just have really narrow taste or something?

>>71361106
I have nothing against David Zinman's cycle, he does a fine job with the symphonies, albeit a little flat at times and some of the tempos are little off in places - most notable for me was his fourth movement on No.5. I've yet to sit down with any of the Concertos and Overtures, though I'm fairly interested to see how he does some of the Piano Concertos.

I'd be very interested to see your favourite cycles, specifically for Beethoven and maybe Mahler, and anyone else's in general aswell will be much appreciated. I've yet to find a cycle of Beethoven that I've fallen in love with, I prefer individual recordings.
You can be good at one Symphony and bad at another in my experience with cycles.
Even Nikolaus Harnoncourt's cycle fell flat on me in places, especially No.6 which was just so slow and dull compared to most recordings, yet his No.5 is excellent in my opinion, he masters the fourth movement for me.

>>71360975

His hands are so stubby. You know he harvests peat.

>>71361215
Harnoncourt is another case of one-offs too. He has an incredible live 5th and 3rd which trump anything on his set.

>>71359060
'Why does [name] get hate here?' is a meme

>>71361215
Ever listened to Szell/Cleveland? My favorite Beethoven cycle, all told, especially 6 and 7.

Don't listen to much Mahler.

>>71343898
swedish folk music is pretty poppy and a good start

CLT is dead. Who is this imposter?

>>71361972
it's me

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>>71361985
plz stahp

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>>71360975
>>71361215
This man, the only Beethoven cycle that should ever be mentioned

>>71362105
Go away Jeggy

>>71362178
b-but muh period instruments

>>71356101
I like him, but you eventually realise that a lot of his choral music is just the same piece with a few changes and different text. His early period was a lot more diverse, but from 1980 onwards, his vocal output feels very homogeneous. His instrumental stuff remains quite fresh though. And I'm still waiting on a recording of his Death of Ivan Illyich which (at least going by the score) looks great.

Also the "byzantine" music he uses is apparently just stuff that was composed in the 19th century by Greek patriots and not authentic at all. But that shouldn't affect your appreciation of his music.

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Rate plz no bully

>>71362528
Recommend me some Schreker pieces

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>>71362528
>mfw erwin was aware of the bog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h_P8YfVAjo

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>>71323748
I suggest you stop posting ITT and start embracing the genius of modern rap. Pic related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7w9otyiE9g

best performer of bach's cello suites?

>>71362960
If you don't mind older performance styles, try Casals (historic sound) or Starker (stereo).

For a period instrument, maybe Wispelwey, but I'm not too sure. Haven't heard enough in that field.

>>71362936
So far ahead of his time.

>>71343898
folk music is quite literally plebeian, my friend

>>71362936
top kek

If you were to choose a single instrument that could give you a comprehension of music theory and a better understanding of classical music, which one would be?

>>71363741
The pi-- holy shit seriously you know the answer already.

>>71363741
piano, duh

>>71363770
>>71363776
I was just making sure lol

>>71363741
piccolo

>>71363741
Vis-à-Vis

>>71363741
the bongo

the bog

>>71363741
Petzold

>>71363741
guitar so you can realize that none of that shit matters and the sound of the music itself is the only thing that's important :)

>>71363741
my imagination desu

Where were you when you discovered that Schoenberg, Berg, Webern and Hindemith are as good as Bach?

>>71360223
>the "can't into 20th century" because no one with taste likes Schittke meme

>>71362958
nigger

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>>71362958
>tfw no relevant rapper will ever study counterpoint and harmony

For fuck's sake

>>71355869
>hillary voter
dumbass
>tfw to smart too vote for hillary

>>71364563
i voted for jill stein

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>>71364530

Rap has covered more ground in the last 25 years than all bogbilles have in the last 3 centuries.

>>71364747
It really hasn't.

>>71364492
>Hindemith
nty

>>71364645
>I threw my vote away
Why though

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>Got tickets to see a performance of Bach's St. John Passion on Easter Sunday at my cities symphony hall

feels good man

>>71365005
live in one of the most solidly blue states

>>71365005
Stein had the best twitter account desu

Also elections don't matter

>>71365164
bernie would have won

>>71365237
lol no

>>71365242
he would have won the rust belt easily

Petzold

>>71365048
What state?

>>71365164
>Stein had the best twitter account desu
What was so good about it? Is that really a reason to vote for someone?
>Also elections don't matter
lol no

>>71365237
He can still win! :^)

>>71365237
Webb would have clobbered Trump

>>71365484
Depressing thought, but might be true.

>>71365267
No. Sanders would have been lost Virginia and Nevada, won Wisconsin, and failed to win MI or PA. FL and NC wouldn't even have been close. Sanders is popular with young people, not the white working class. Both Hillary and Bernie share a fatal flaw. They depend on unreliable segments of the electorate, minorities and the youth vote respectively, both of which have garbage turnouts.

This isn't to mention that his fundraising would've been absolutely garbage in comparison to Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders was just as much of an outsider as Trump, but, unlike Trump, he was lacking in financial foundation and connections. Say goodbye to the online army of CTR Shills, the huge amounts of media collaboration, and possibly the pussy-tape and leaked tax returns.

>>71323748
I wish i could get these in torent. MEGA is a bit of a bitch for me. :^(

>>71365694
Everything is on rutracker.

>>71365787
Tried to enter the https://en.rutracker.org/forum/index.php got this

>фopyм вpeмeннo oтключeн

Help a retard out? Is this a sadpanda type of situation?

>>71365559
There's no reason he would have lost Michigan, Pennsylvania, or Nevada.

>>71365830
No, just make an account, then you can use the tracker which is ratio free.

http://rutracker.org/forum/profile.php?mode=register

>>71365876
Ah, thanks buddy. So just register and look for the name of the composer right?

>>71365787
He's not exaggerating either. It's like it has every single song in existence. I haven't used it much for classical recordings but I'm sure it's great.

>>71365973
iirc there are some recordings it's missing (not just recent stuff either)

>>71365837
I have good reasons for thinking so, and I was mostly correct the entire election cycle. Of course, it's all speculation. Anything could have happened.

But I think that's enough political discussion in /mu/ for now. Make a thread about it on /pol/ or something and I'll respond there.

>>71365935

Seconda pratica = protobog?

>>71365935
Absolutely beautiful

>>71365935
Dirty smelly italian

>>71365876
Im going to sound like a retard, but is the website only availble in russian? Is that en.rutracker link I gave earlier a complete red herring? Am I going to have to use it with the chrome translate?

Its a bit annoying, but if its the only way I am gonna gave to do.

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>>71366234

>>71366252
Bless you

Nice, small Lieder like Schubert's ones?

>>71366307
Faure and Wolf have my favorite "lieder" next to Schubert, but you should also check out Brahms, Ives, Mahler, and Schumann.