Why has punk gone so soft? I don't want to feel like everyone

People who think punk has a clear set of rules, etiquette, wardrobe etc clearly didn't get the memo of what punk is.

It can be whatever it wants to be. Genres evolve.

>>71321275
Oh shut up and go listen against me!. I like Fugazi too... I'm saying that one thing you cannot deny is that controversy is central to punk rock music. I'm talking about a genre that has become warped to most millennials as omg let's attend the trump protest bc we're so punk

>>71321301
youre literally arguing that its not edgy enough because it doesnt support your right wing idealogy

>>71321301
if you're upset with the state of punk music, why dont you make your own? it's one of the easiest types of music to make dude

>>71321400
well put.

>punk
>neoliberal
Pop punk maybe, but not punk
Real punk is anarchist i.e. Left wing

most punk and most metal are pretty left-wing and always pandered to neoliberals you fucking retard.

gg allin and stuff like the nsbm movement are outliers.

>>71321400
That's a logical fallacy just because I don't think punk music is serving its purpose of being controversial does not make me a right winger. I don't support trump at all. Your statement actually proved me right
>>71321462
I was in a punk band once I'd rather make different music
>>71321471
You're retarded if you think anarchy=left wing go read a fucking book.

You just gotta browse harder, a lot of the bands keeping it real are just playing small basement shows and staying local. Check out Ritchy Rich and The Dicks https://ritchyrichandthedicks.bandcamp.com/

>>71321532
you complained about millenials and trump protests in the same sentence so you probably have some righty tendencies. Also punk bands can support whatever politics they like. Im sure theres nazi punk bands out there too, its just that most people probably find that cringey and played out anyway. Also cuckservatives generally just arent that good at creating worthwhile art even if its samey punk stuff

>>71321702
Ahhh everything is black and white isn't it? Damn right they can but I'm seeing a good amount of people pandering because of what's popular hmmm not very punk is it? I don't think political ideologies have any semblance of artistic ability nice thought though. And no I'm just making fun of what I see. I love assumptions though. Maybe you should start seeing that both political parties in America are an absolute shit show and stop acting like they're some sports team you have to root for.

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>>71321532
>You're retarded if you think anarchy=left wing go read a fucking book.
no u

>>71321769
never said i root for either party but even still i can hold right or left ideas. Who is to say is who is pandering and who is just on that side of the fence? Lots of bands that speak for left causes have been doing so for a minute and newer ones are more than likely influenced by those bands, and theres plently of shit under the punk umbrella that isnt really outspoken politically anyway.

>>71321815
There's an argument there. I'd say it depends on your definition of left and right. If anarachism means ditching the government then why does the current state of the left identify with more government intervention and influence the body it governs. (I actually like socialism btw so don't tell me I'm arguing against it) I just don't think communism (most radical left) is relevant to anarchy just because some liberal philosophers talk about it. And what fucking actually good punk bands really support anarchism?

The Dillinger escape plan frontman still smears feces on his face during shows, so there's that. Think they're about to break up though

>>71321883
Anarchism to my understanding is the abolition of hierarchy, not necessarily a stateless society. The current left is mostly made up of liberals which is why they seem to support a state. Socialists (not Sanders style) are a fringe minority. Anarchist really aren't relevant to current stateless movements(or any movements), but ancaps aren't actual anarchists because they don't seek to abolish hierarchy.

>>71322171
Anarchism literally means a stateless society you god damn moron

>>71322171
>ancaps aren't actual anarchists
[citation needed]

As far as I know, anarchy means abolition of the government, and that's what it always meant. I see ancaps as the purest anarchists since every law or moral code is left up to the individual (as long as it doesn't violate the NAP or NAACP or whatever their stupid fucking system is called).

>>71322171
Fuck you idiot i hope you die. Anarchism = no government.

Not that it matters anyways, all anarchy would do is create a power vacuum so we could have some good ol fashioned warlord action

>>71322322
I'd vote for Lord Humungus.

>>71321532
>punk music serving its purpose of being controversial


found the fascist

Controversiality is dead m8

>>71322171
Moron
>>71322389
Controversial doesn't mean omg nazi. Go fuck yourself with a pinecone you and all the other neolibs are sucking every last drop of power out of the word nazi. Literally making them less scary as you compare them to every wimp with a podcast.
>>71322418
That's untrue look at our president. He thrives on controversy and that's what got him elected

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>>71322322
>all anarchy would do is create a power vacuum so we could have some good ol fashioned warlord action
you're right, but some moron ancom is gonna get in here soon and try to tell you that it would actually lead to everyone sitting around a campfire singing kumbayah

WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN RIGHTS RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE FUCK YOU FUCK YOU RED RED RED (same powerchord for 3 minutes)

-Punk record 101

>>71322569
>so blinded by ignorance they think the issue is the word "controversial"

>>71321243
>punk's sole reason is to be controversial
>controversy for the sake of controversy
Yeah no

>>71322905
I'm really upset with people in America right now big fucking circle jerk
>>71323331
Nice words that you just inserted into my mouth. I said controversy and punk have been inseparable since the genres inception

>>71321243
Because it became popular.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfB6-CcbMJ8

>>71323430
As a new genre, yes. That's why it was so powerful for its time, but you can't expect it to be like it was at its birth. No genre is like that. People by now get what punk is and there will be watered down versions, but those aren't the only examples of punk. There's a lot more variety in punk these days.

>>71321532
>You're retarded if you think anarchy=left wing go read a fucking book.
Kid try reading a wikipedia article then come back

>>71323669
I see you mentioning what I want but not posting it. Typical fucking /mu/ bitching and picking apart my post without actually recommending some music which was the point of my post.
>>71323696
Sorry I don't care what Wikipedia says I don't consider anarchy and communism something that can go together

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>>71321243
>pander to neoliberals

Are Milton Friedman types listening to punk now?

most good modern punk music isn't overtly political

>>71324100
That's fine, just know the whole political science world does

>>71324188
Then go ahead and tell me how communism (relies on government regulation of the economy) and anarchism (no government) can coexist?

>>71321243
>pander to neoliberals
You either don't know what that is or what punk is. Or both, you seem dumb enough

>>71321243
punk music was made by poor or working class people. Today all those people are more into hip hop and rap or don't give a fuck about music at all. Punk now is full of middle and upper class suburban pussies.

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>>71324228
>thinks communism automatically means 'muh gubbermint'

>>71324228
They don't really coexist, they share ideas of abolishing private property and working for wages. Saying they cannot both be left is like saying libertarianism and fascism cant be both right wing

>>71324283
Proves no point and calls me dumb. Hmmm irony?
>>71324327
I agree
>>71324546
Okay nice you've taken political science courses and have read some theory. BUT if we're talking reality like things that actually can fucking happen, or historically communism means heavy governmental influence. If we're talking anarchy in actuality which is fucking stupid to believe could actually work btw it would exist neither in the left nor right but somewhere in between as it's own entity

This board knows nothing about punk rock

>>71324808

Or politics for that matter.

>>71321301
well neo nazis are making some pretty good punk these days Ive heard

>>71324327
meh im not so sure about I was watching Salad days, a doc about the D.C hc scene and many of the bands came from middle class homes and in some cases with parents that worked government jobs, especially the straight edge bands.

>>71326706
I mean all the racist band I've heard pretty sub par to bad. Screwdriver and angry Aryans are nothing special

>>71326909
See NYC hardcore/punk, Midwest punk, and southern punk rock

>>71326954
oh no im not doubting that punk originates from the working class but im just saying that the lack of good punk cant be because the middle class are making punk when minor threat fucking rock

>>71322282
>since every law or moral code is left up to the individual
Except the one thing that, for some reason, ancaps refuse to see as anything but holy - the market.

>>71326954
>>71326909
Middle class , and adolescents are prime examples

>>71324327
second this, most bands in the early 80's sucked. They were just get up on stage scream for a minute and a half and play as hard as you can. Listen to a lot of unpopular/unsuccessful bands and they did not give a shit about money or being successful or even being good, it was just about saying what they wanted.

Everybody in this thread should watch American Hardcore if you have not.

>>71321243
don't use words like neoliberalism unless you know what they mean

>>71327852
There's an economic and social use of the word

who even listens or cares to fucking pink in current year?

>>71328285
You could say that about literally any genre that wasn't invented yesterday.

>>71323512
you like ziltoid senpai?

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>>71322338
You could just, run away... To your nearest polling place, and put ME, Lord Humungus in office!

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New punk is NSBM, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQlM4RiUfUk

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>>71321243
nobody's got the balls enough to be outrageous anymore.
people are too afraid of police, or getting into fights, or repercussions in general.

>>71321243
noise has been the new punk for a while now

>>71330317
Jail's not even that bad. I went a handful of times in my younger days, and just started my job for the state Monday. There are no long term effects really unless you did hard time pushing weight or killed someone.

>>71330515
jail or prison?

Anyone gonna post any music?

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>>71321624
this vocalist blows, sounds so restrained

I don't speak moon but this is good, I guess it's punk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r25A3NraFOM

>>71324701
Communism doesn't have a state, massive totalitarian states like the USSR were socialist at best but were more state capitalism anyways.

>>71331156
K well the closest things we've seen to communism are USSR, Cuba, China, and Cambodia. Those seem to be pretty good examples that humanity is too selfish for communism. Same with anarchy and the only people who argue for them are burnt out hippies

>>71321815
nah hes kinda right but because others are dumb
Punks buy into hippie liberal shit thinking it means the gov will have less control over people and they can govern themselves. Its the opposite of what left wing actually is, but we're talking about idiot kids not understanding how shit works

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Pic posted is reason why punk has not only gone soft it's lost all of it's relevance as any form of social/political protest movement/subculture.

>>71321471
Anarchism goes beyond left and right wing paradigms. The essence of anarchism is a total rejection of authority and hierarchy, something liberals and leftists have practiced sometimes even more than right wingers. Much of the spirit and ideas of early the early american revolutionaries were closer to anarchism than soviet communism, not quiet but just as Protestantism was a failed revolution. Real anarchism is gnosis and libertarianism without corporatism, it's not dogmatic marxism but it's not money worship either. The heart of punk is a respect for humanity, the human being and their autonomy, the right to bear arms and a rejection of anti human satanism. Real punk music is whatever you want it to be, it's free artistic exploration and play. Real punk music is in it's spirit, not it's message

>>71321883
>>71321532
Anarchism was an ideology founded primarily by Bakunin and Kropotkin against capitalism

Butthurt illiterate right winger white American males' revisionist history does not change this fact

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>>71331692
Archie is Punk as fuck. Fuck You.

>>71331692
Nostalgic old guys and cover bands..?

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>>71324128

False dichotomy, false narrative. Suck a cock for Soros, kill a nigger and spread your disease around to mark your territory

fill in the blank

I'm apart of ____ and it feels punk as fuck

>>71331915
Trump's America

So you guys will save me time from reading hippie book by saying that anarchism means we Abolish government, start a commune man, have a world relgion, and forget about wars and smoke a joint and chill out right? That's fucking lame and would never work I think Mad Max is a better representation of if anarchy were to happen. I'm sorry but I don't get how know government can fall on the left or right.

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real stuff coming through, libtards and fascists might be triggered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKYuz7O_2m8

>>71321243
Why the fuck does music that speaks truth to power (To be clear that does, in fact, mean it won't be right wing) have to be punk rock? For me a lot, not all, but, a lot, of punk rock now is just white boys singing about how they're oppressed because vegan living is expensive or because a cop told them to stop harassing the elderly. Rebellious music can come in all forms and it's time for so called "punks" to stop closing themselves off from it.

>>71332282
Wrong board, tinfoil.

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>>71332380

>satanic shill cuck

the house of cards is coming down boy, the satanic exploitation of the masses will come to an end

>>71321243
The idea of punk is that it can be created by normal, everyday people. Not just music majors or people born with incredible talent. Punk is non-political like the Ramones or Misfits. Punk leans left like Dead Kennedys or anarchist like Crass. Punk can be ultra right like Screwdriver (their first record totally wasn't racist!!). It ain't a defined thing, and if none of it out there "does it" for you, then make your own

>>71332425
Wrong board, tinfoil.

>>71321243
What the fuck was his problem???

>>71333110

Not an argument satanic slut

>>71332343
>speaks truth to power
fucking faggot

>>71321243
>Punk is supposed to be controversial... all it does now is pander to neoliberals
it was controversial. But since conservative values aren't the norm anymore punk isn't as intimidating.

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>>71334489

You're the faggot, and you will never be able to suppress truth with your grotesque vanity and authoritarian foot kissing

>>71334314
I didn't say it was. You got kicked out of /pol/ into /x/ and they think you're a faggot too, so now you're on /mu/.

>>71334708

I'm not a neo nazi or roleplayer, there was nothing wrong with my first post of Mark's sick af band The Founders

>>71334550
What fucking truth are you pedaling, buddy?

>>71322263
Wrong, Anarchism is about Anarchy which is about "no rulers" which is "no hierarchies", so that is the prime trait

>>71334901
>amazing
>Ampere and Touché Amoré

>>71335026
They kind of fall flat with me.

>>71321243
GG Allin never made good music

>>71334901
I liked everything you said but I think ice age is a terrible band

Is Code Orange and Nails punk?

>>71334708
>You got kicked out of /pol/ into /x/
>le /pol/ boogeyman in current year
yeah look at this scary neonazi haven of hate right here >>>/pol/114892524

>>71321243
>>71321476
>>71334534
>>71328159
do any of you fucks even know what neoliberal means?

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>>71321243
>pander to neoliberals

I AM AN ANTICHRIST
I AM A CAPITALIST
DON'T KNOW WHAT I WANT BUT I KNOW HOW TO GET IT
I WANNA EXPLOIT
THE WORKING CLASS GOYS

CAUSE IIIIIII
WANT TO DEREGULAAAAAAATE
THE ECONOMYYYYYYY

>>71337248
lmao

yawn
please go away

>punk was meant to be edgy and controversial

Jesus fucking Christ I swear Americans are just ignorant as fuck, it was a counter movement against rock idols and the rock god concept that was selling out arenas, the whole purpose was to stand up against these cooperate driven fuck heads in their skin tight leopard tights and take rock back for the working classes basically for everyone to make. Its essentially leftist its only ignorant idiots like you who think its about bashing brains in and being edgy. It focuses more on the common man's problems now fuck off

>>71337491
OBSESSED

>>71337491

You're an idiot, punk literally was started as garage rock by angsty teens, it was folk music for weirdos and degenerates. It eventually became mainstream, fashionable, and coopted by elite cultural planners as a form of controlled rebellion to sell to kids

>>71328159
>>71321243
>>71321476


Neoliberalism has a very specific definition. It does not mean someone who is an establishment American democrat. It does not mean someone who is socially moderate. It does not mean someone who is very far left. Neoliberalism is a primarily economic philosophy that supports the conversion of public institutions to private ones, generally espousing the idea that market-driven forces will be a better engine of development than publicly engineered ones. It is called neoliberalism because it is a "new" incarnation of classical liberal economic theory, a la adam smith, therefore it is not classical liberalism but instead "neoliberalism". No one fucking has any idea what it means but they throw it around anyway to sound smart, I mean why get a degree in political science when you could look at a couple memes and go on a few socialist subreddits instead

>>71337745
America has the special ability of dumbing everything down, its the good lads in Britain that pumped most of it out and still does it justice.

>>71337904
>america invents blues
>america invents jazz
>america invents rock and roll, which is then piggybacked on by british artists
>america invents soul & RnB
>america invents hip-hop

when can americans ever catch up to britain?? starting to feel self conscious over here

>>71337745
The Minutemen, read their lyrics and weep dumbass

>>71337931
oops, forgot country as well

>>71337931
AMEEERICAAAAA FUCKKK YEAHHHH!!!!!

I seriously don’t know why these alt-right kids try so hard to be "punk", why cant we have proper leftist punk threads (more then 90% of it being exactly this) and right winged punk threads at this point.

>>71337904
Brits let it burn and get fucked by the Queen.

On our side of the pond, Punk enjoyed an influence on how a lot of people see popular music and Americans (Ian McKaye for one), drove the genre into a lasting one that isn't easy to live by, but hard to define.

it's not just punk, it's ALL rock music. everyone has become so sensitive that you risk your career by doing anything aside form writing "everyone is great, let's be happy" music.

whether it's liberals fault, or people still rebelling against the grunge/nu-metal movement, probably both, hopefully it can swing back around, all it will take is one person to shake things up. personally hoping for a new jim morrison

>>71337974
Because they think everything is theirs and part of their cultural identity.

See Fashwave, which makes no sense, but retards still try to insist that futurism is fascist.

>>71338001
this is so off from my perception of what the state of art is that im mostly just confused.

There have been political albums from tons of relevant acts, arguably more mainstream ones than at any time since the late 60's/early 70's. Edgy political punk and rap is still out there, with a more vibrant fan base than ever thanks to the internet. like who are the big artists you think are making "everyone is great, lets be happy" music?

>>71338023
Adele. Boom.

>>71338023
i can't even name a single relevant rock act right now that doesn't write boring inoffensive music

>>71338023
>>71338050
other than swans i guess

>>71338043
yeah, but she's adele, of course she's doing that. are you really looking to artists like adele for your edgy commentary?

>>71338050
i thought the dude i was replying to was referring to the thematic content of the music, not the edginess of the sound. If you're talking about the edginess of the sound, there are a lot of acts playing with that stuff, but those acts have never been that close to the mainstream, despite how it may seem in retrospect

>>71337758
>tfw my history professor told a room full of 200 college freshmen that neoliberalism was defined as 'class warfare on the working class by the government'

>>71338082
You asked for big feel-good artist. I gave you Adele.

>>71338102
holy shit dawg what

where do you go to college

this is why academics should mostly stick to their own fields. history is not political philosophy, physics is not climate science. results in a decent chunk of misinformation i bet

>>71338015

Futurism and Fascism aren't exactly contradictions

>>71338141
you said all rock music, so i assumed you'd have more than one pop ballad factory to cite as an example.

I mean depending on your definition of "these days" tons of artists have released edgy or political albums, like them or not. Arcade Fire, Green Day, Killer Mike and RTJ, Kendrick - major aspects of most major rap projects are political now actually - huge swaths of the emo and hardcore and punk scenes, i mean idk where you're looking for these themes, but if it's the top 40, i guarantee you it was never really there.

>>71338082
not necessarily talking about edginess, think more along the lines of ziggy stardust wildness and showmanship. when i think rock music over the past couple years or so, all i can think of is indie rock darlings like the strokes. tame impala, and arcade fire

not saying the music is bad, but all i can see in my head when i listen it is a bunch of """hipster""" college kids sitting around on a saturday night getting high

>>71338162
But the original directives of Vaporwave are.

>>71337974

It's not any more gross than authoritarian leftists claiming punk. There is no left or right, there's only authoritarian and libertarian.

>>71338185
you're arguing with some random anon

i'm >>71338186

>>71338189

>the original directives of vaporwave are

lol

>>71338185
Oh, no. I didn't make that post. I just gave you and artist. But I think you're right. Everyone is trying out political themes now. Even moreso with Trump being elected.

>>71321883
>what good punk bands really support anarchism
His Hero is Gone
Tragedy
Rudimentary Peni
just to name a few

>>71338186
idk, i mean animal collective, of montreal, pwr bttm, david bowie released an album like you're describing last year, bon iver's been doing wild stuff, plus i think there's a solid argument to be made that edgier hardcore and emo sounds are infiltrating the main "indie" or "rock" sphere, with acts like Sorority Noise, Jeff Rosenstock, the hotelier and tons of others getting a lot of attention

>>71338191
Far leftist philosophy is the furthest thing from authoritarian I mean for suck sake just read a godamn book about it,Bolshevism and Marxism are like day and night its that fucking different

>everyone is equal
>capitalism is wrong
>no one should rule over anyone
>government should not exist
>humanity should go back to its naturally kind hearted social state

hows any of that authoritarian, china, soviet Russia,north Korea etc are not the places you look for examples of the system get a book and read about it.

>>71321243
Do you actually have any idea what neoliberalism constitutes or are you just trying to cash in on memes by adding neo to a category of people you don't like?

Protip: neoliberalism is free-market capitalism.

>>71338288
left and right are not the same as authoritarian and libertarian. if you move really far to the left you dont inherently get more or less authoritatian, same thing with the right. there are authoritarian leftists and anarchic leftists and everything in between. people like to simplify political philosophy to easy lines and binaries so i get why people make this mistake but that's not how it goes

>>71338253
yeah, you're kinda right, i concede my point, there are still some pretty good rock acts out there, but not nearly as many as i'd like there to be

Literally EVERYTHING has gone soft nowadays

>>71338318
yea im with you on that, i wish as much moving and shaking was happening in the rock scene rn as was happening in hip hop and rnb, but there's still more good music than i even have time to put in my ears so i can't complain too hard

>>71321400
Neoliberalism is a right wing ideology. Are you an American?

>>71335176
filtered

Punk is a shit genre. It has nothing to do with music. It's pure image.

>>71321243
Punk is about diy and empowerment

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can anyone rec me some good fashy punk? in english please

so far skrewdriver is the only stuff ive liked

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>>71340556
iceage

>>71338102
But that's true, you just dont understand it.

>>71321476
>"most punk and most metal are pretty left-wing and always pandered to neoliberals you fucking retard."
>calls neoliberal left-wink and somebody else retarded in the same sentence.
is this what its like having a political discussion with an ameritard?

>>71341512
Yes we all use big words and talk out of our asses

>>71334708
>muh tinfoil
He right tho

U a sleep

>>71338015
Futurism birthed fascism.

the problem is that people don't go out to punk shows anymore, one of the most stable revenue streams for bands

there are so many avenues for entertainment and distraction, that the overall underground scene is dying

>>71338288
>>humanity should go back to its naturally kind hearted social state
>

>>71321301
Against Me! are one of the worst fucking bands I've ever listened to in my life. I love how people used to hate them after those album with Butch Vig, but then the singer comes out of the closet and boom, gotta like them again. Goes to show you how these Marxist shit-stains care more about virtue signalling than the actual quality of the music lmao.

>>71337974
Go cry to Jeff Rosenstock you pussy and let us talk about Skrewdriver in peace.

>>71335176
Gtfo

>>71342998
Haha or just these sjw versions of "punks" that overrun my city

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i7aBnoaYPQ
go to a pissed jeans show if you can and stand in the first row

>>71344225
Pissed Jeans are pretty good. I thought they tried a bit too hard on the new album to be like "hey we're forward thinking individuals" still had some rippers tho

Btw who here listened to the new Career Suicide?

>>71322892
Aoty

Why don't you all fuck off to /pol/?
Who needs you anyway.
Why don't you just leave us alone?
Suck my bone