/sg/ Synth General

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I'm really close to buying that thing
fucking behringer

>>71300658
Remember, when buying a synth, the correct answer is always save up for the better one.

>>71300916
well the better one in that case would be the dsi rev2-16 which isn't out yet will cost a lot more
the deepmind is way too fucking awesome for the price. I wouldn't even hesitate if it said anything but behringer on it

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Anyone ever try Orthagonal Devices' ER-101?

Here's a modular performance I recorded last year.
https://youtu.be/K9N1lXiGlx4


>>71300658
Don't unless you're making lo-fi shit.
>>71300916
This.

>>71301212
>lo-fi
go to a store and try that thing, m8
I dare you and your wallet

pls dont bully me but im brand fucking new to making music
used to play drums in high school that's about it

just bought an akai MPK mini MKII to mess around in abelton and FL with. Are there any synth VSTS that are good? I love snyth sounds but I'm not going to buy a hardware snyth right now when I barely know how to use the mini drumpad/keyboard I use. I'd like to use a virtual one in one of those programs first and get a hang of it before moving on to the larger investments of buying dedicated synths. Any recommendations for a beginner for software? I believe the pad comes with Air 3 or something along those lines.

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>>71301212
uh i'm pretty sure the deepmind would sound fine but

a better question would be: does it have character? there are many vintage analog polys that are cheaper and have unique functionality and sound. crumar bit-99, kawai sx240, korg poly-61, akai ax60, oberheim matrix 1000, siel opera 6, jx3p etc etc

plus, the deep mind will inevitably sell at a pretty hefty loss when you decide to sell. and if anon wants to save up he could always go polysix, juno-60, jupiter-6, prophet 600 etc

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any thoughts on the novation circuit? was thinking of getting that for live shows but I also kinda wanna say fuck that and just save for an ms-20
>>71301395
synth1 is free, as is DEXED (that's FM tho), c700 is fun for weird noise but it's pretty limited
>>71301212
>lo-fi shit
what are you on about

>>71301446
Thanks, I'll check them all out.

Anyone have any recommendations for some kind of crunchy almost 8-bit sounding stuff? Again, that's probably a stupid question, I'm not sure how much all synths have in common and what common sounds you can get on different hardware, but I'm really into this kind of sound

https://youtu.be/_RBjickAnNw?t=22

Not necessarily the sound of the beat in general, but the heavy "WHUM WHUM WHUM WHA WHUM" that goes on. I love that kind of snyth sound.

>>71301727
pretty much any analog monosynth will get you close. square wave, basic envelope settings and a tad of filtering with quite a bit of resonance. ms-20 mini?

>>71301727
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A84DcUim2yw

>>71301823
>>71301871
Cool, no idea what any of this means at the moment but I'm going to save these comments for when my actual keyboard gets here so I can do more reading into it and practice with it at that time. Thanks guys.

Purely digital>>>>>all this analog junk.

Far more versatile; you just gotta not be lazy to get the most out of digital though.

>>71301935
but heres the thing: analog is 100x more fun
why spend all this fucking money if its not fun

>>71301935
define purely digital? software? fm?

yes, you can download software for free and yes virtual analog sounds great and yes it often comes with a lot of features but for a lot of people it doesn't really inspire a creative workflow.

>>71301950
some of the most fun hardware i own is fully or partially digital. what makes it fun is the physical interface and the limitations that hardware brings.

>>71302027
okay, id like you to then clarify on
>>71301970
because when you say digital, do you mean, like VA?

>>71301935
Interesting digital hardware pretty much only exists right now as boring midi-control laptop toys and expensive eurorack modules, so people are going to gravitate towards hardware with a lower price threshold for quality.

>>71302062
when i say digital i mean a sound source that is not an analog oscillator. a digital wavetable synth, an fm synth, a sampler. those are digital.

>>71302115
samplers are fun but FM synths are not even a little bit unless you have like a dx200

>>71302143
my opinion is that fm synthesis is fun.

>>71302143
>FM synths are not even a little bit fun
https://youtu.be/403RuVSYYWQ

>>71302158
hey man, that's on you. what's your favorite fm synth

>>71302167
akemie's castle, the volca fm and the dx200 are the exceptions

>>71302192
You've got me there then, unless you're including software FM.

Harmor from FruityLoops is da coolest synthesiser

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>>71301212
>Orthagonal Devices' ER-101
i've never used it, nor do i really understand the real-time composition aspect... is it more for generating modulation on the fly, or smooth transition of patch recall (ie for a multi patch/song performance)?

nice modular setup btw. especially like all of your control modules at the bottom, I bet those are fun!

I've only got 2 power slots left in mine. i think i've settled on a Morphing Terrarium and Quad clock distributor, but haven't been able to pull the trigger on either.

>>71301935
>not realizing the benefit of knob per function

>>71302445
funko pops why
also you got a soundcloud?

Would a Roland SH2 be too much for a first synth?

>>71302505
if you can get it cheap, nah that's fine. it is an old analog synth tho so don't be surprised if it starts to deteriorate

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>>71302445
Just need a joystick down there now.
It seems to me the ER-101 is in a lot of ways a traditional modular sequencer, trading off any immediacy and most playability for the sheer power of 8 tracks of CV and 4 gate tracks, for which you can individually program a functionally unlimited number of steps and durations, that can be edited, grouped, and rearranged in real time. It would probably be dramatically less appealing if you already had midi to cv modules and a way to draw clocks from your daw, but I have yet to come across anything that fits my computer into my workflow well.

>>71301935
I bet you look cool at gigs when you hit that play button then pump your fist the whole set.

>>71301212
I've seen you in the SC threads, love your stuff man. Cool to see what goes into it.
>>71302505
It was mine, I didn't have a problem with it.

>>71302378
It's not even as good as massive

>>71301395
>synth VSTS
anything from u-he is godlike get DIVA and zebra hans zimmer

>>71302505
It's a great synth. One of the criticisms of it is that it can be a bit simple. The only problem I could see you having with it is stuff from age, or the fact that you need a midi to CV converter to play it from a computer.

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Going to get myself a Bass Station 2. Is there any better for the price ? Korg sucks, Arturia's fine I sold my brutes, DSI monos are way to expensive...

>>71303439
>korg sucks
..says who? the ms-20 mini is built like a fucking tank

>>71303491
yeah I mean the minilogue/monologue

>>71303506
Minilogue is good, great acid machine. have you played these synths? or just basing it off of something else

>>71303547
I had a minilogue, I think it sounds weak for an analog synth. The resonnance kills all your bass so I don't see how to thing could be a great acid machine.

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>my Make Noise Shared System ships today
Feels good to finally be getting into modular synthesis senpai. My college had a Dotcom setup in one of the labs that I spent quite a bit of time using, which admittedly probably ruined my interest in digital synths because of how boring they are comparatively.

>>71303576
meant mono, sorry. much different synth

>>71303491
>hear MS-20 mini has build quality issues
>see videos of noise when keys are pressed
>buy an MS-20m used for like $700 because the sound quality is allegedly better
>it breaks in a month, too broke to have it fixed because I spent all my money on the synth itself

last time I buy anything without a warranty

>>71303439
i have two dw-6000s because it's such a good synth wtf

TWO complex envelopes, great filter, wide range of cool/cheesy waveforms and a chorus. and it sounds gorgeous.

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What delays do you guys use? I demoed a MF delay a week ago and was surprised at how bland it sounded compared to other BBD delays.

>>71303744
joyo analog delay. fake bbd. ik those pedals are borderline immoral but it really really does sound good. and the monotron delay but that's more of a destroyer of sound in general than a delay.

>>71303255
tf?

>>71303585
The shared system is going to have the reputation of the music easel in 30 years, it's an amazing design,

>>71303645
ok the monologue has a great filter and a great sequencer but that's it. I can hear that weak minilogue character in the demos.

>>71303734
and it's cheap! Mine is modded with dw8000 waveforms so it's even better

>>71303674
>$700
>used

It's $450-$500 new. How did you spend $700?

>>71303896
nigga the MS-20 module version is like $1200 new

How to recreate Chameleon bass on a monologue? I'm having a bit of trouble.

>>71303896
ms 20m not mini

>>71304044
>>71303958
>>71303896
>arp odyssey
>$500
>arp odyssey without the keyboard
>$1200
>arp odyssey that is bigger and heavier
>$1500

>ms20
>$450
>ms20 that you have to build yourself
>$1000

i love korg's pricing logic

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Ensoniq ESQ-1 is a patrician synth.

This is now a patrisynth thread

>>71304181
I wish I copped one of these back in 2013-14 before they got hype and were $200.

>>71304225
I didn't even realize they had gotten so expensive. I bought mine on eBay for $225 in 2013. Then I found another at a pawn shop a week later for $175. I'm pretty butthurt that I didn't get that one tok

>>71304173
>have to build yourself
If you call that building, don't ever get into synth DIY

>>71304270
They have a great sound from what I recall. Almost like a budget ppg.

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>>71304181
the only true patrician synth out there

>>71304604
I love that thing. I remember my grandma had one that I used to play with as a kid. I always forget to ask if she still has it

>>71302479
they were a gag gift.
i rarely use soundcloud anymore, i'll post some clypit's when Amazon Web Services stops breaking the internet

>>71302753
i see, thats a lot of functionality for little hp!

>>71303576
i've been considering the minilogue to use as a dedicated pad synth since its pretty cheap for poly... how bad was the envelope clicking?

>>71304604
Isn't that the one casio from that reggea track?

>>71304699
> how bad was the envelope clicking
this is not an issue, that's how synths work but they still fixed it so its really not an issue

>>71304789
>this is not an issue, that's how synths work
This so hard. It's like everyone who complained were just used to plugins or something. Even the Prophet 5 would do that.

>>71304980
annoyed the shit out of me too

monark is more analog then analog so why even bother

>>71304980
>>71304789
yeah, but from videos it seemed considerably worse than other synths

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DsJTka9xjE

>>71305796
If you quit drugs you wouldn't say stupid shit like that and you could afford a real synth.

>>71304706
I dunno about that, but it's in a meme 80's german hit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqk0jwNs2Ew

>>71306079
>mfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RtSOK2p61s

>>71306011
Don't knock it til you try it. The only people who don't think VSTs compare to analog hardware are people who have invested deeply into hardware

>>71306346
That's probably because those people have actually used hardware and not just VST's.

>>71306376
I was once a hardware collector. Ive done A/B comparisons between a wide variety of hardware and VSTs. The only difference was that the hardware looked cooler. The sounds I was able to get with both were completely similar

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>>71306406
>knob per function has no value

>>71306002
I saw that guys vid before. Some of his synths have more or less than others. We're not debating that. My Mopho x4 does it fairly loud, and it's great for some patches. My Minimoog does it the least, but it also has funky envelopes anyways (not the ADSD part, but the clipping at the peak). Organs aren't worth crap without keyclick, which is essentially the same thing.

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Recent cops

The 0-Coast is a fucking beast, no idea why I haven't seen it mentioned more especially considering how popular Make Noise are becoming

Also the Volca Kick is way more versatile than I expected. Great for heavy, distorted basslines.

>>71303585
Make Noise are fucking on point with their modular game right now. Can't wait to see what else they come up with.

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fuck forgot to resize the pic
oops

>>71306452
It does have value but people who make this argument seem to be oblivious to the fact that midi controllers can have their knobs assigned to functions in the soft synth

>>71300629
das synths
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gqMBYalMdGs

>>71306596
>just midi map for days

why would anyone want to do this to themselves?

>>71306521
nice gets

>make noise on point
they are...reminds me i need to look deeper at the functionality of tempi vs 4ms quad clock distributor

>>71306672
I could ask the same question about why people pay for hardware that is extremely overpriced. There's always going to be some sound you want that is missing and the purchasing never ends.

The cool thing about MIDI mapping is that you only have to do it once. Then you save a template that load when you load the VST

>>71306596
I'd love to have a 40 knob controller with led scribble strips to not get lost controlling a basic substractive synth like diva
too bad that's not a thing

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>>71300629
I can't get back on it. :-(

>>71306762
yeah, it's called a hardware synthesizer kek

DSI

Do they really sound like jesus and wich one should i cop?

>>71306762
Get a second hand system 1, it's a full working synth AND completely mapped

does anyone else here have the Waldorf blofeld if so how well is it working for you because im really planning on getting one

>>71306838
doesn't that only work with the roland plugins made for it?

>>71306899
It's pretty good. The output level of mine is a little low, and it can be tough if you want to make sounds that have "bite" to them as it's a very clean and digital sounding synth. If that's what you're looking for it obviously sounds great and has a lot of customization though I find that the interface can be a pain to go through.

>>71306964
i heard that its multitymbral but i was wondering how many midi channels it has since im planning on sequencing it with my mpc 2000

>>71306938
Only the plug out system works just for roland vsts (you can "download" roland softsynths into your system1). Otherwise it works as a standard midi controller for your daw

>>71307143
that's actually pretty neat

>>71306899
>>71307088
128 voices polyphony 16 parts multitimbral (remember that every timbre sucks from your polyphony) standard 16 midi channels

I sold mine last month, and don't regret it, nice sounding synth, but 7 knobs for editing all that condemns you to a menu diving hell

>>71306816
Mopho x4
Expandable with tetra modules

>>71306899
It looks really good on paper, but it's easy to make it sound bad. The wavetables are nice but eat a ton of voices.

>>71307384
i will take that into consideration since i mainly want to use it for pad sounds

>>71306816
Most of the DSI stuff sounds pretty bland imo. The real reason to get one is all the modulation. To me the OB6, P12, and Evolver are the only ones that sound above average.
>>71307384
Is there even a reason to get a mopho x4 anymore? You might as well save up for a prophet rev2 8 voice.

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I have a midi keyboard controller and I'm looking to use real ass synthesizers instead of running my shit through VSTs.

I've been kinda interested in the Volca FM/Keys but I wanted to know what else is out there that you guys could recommend?

I make music for fun so I'm not trying to go bankrupt with this, thus the interest in the Volcas

>>71307583
So OB6>P6?

>captcha: antelope road

>>71301212
Your modular recording sounds like shit man

>>71307932
I wouldn't say objectively. I've owned a P8 for 2 years and the times I played a P6 I thought that the sound was marginally better, but the rev2 seems to add the things the the P8 was lacking when compared to the P6. I think the OB6 is a lot more interesting because you can do audio rate modulation + you have that filter thats continuous between low pass and high pass.

>>71307916
The modern standard/go-to's for budget hardware synths:

Korg MS-20 Mini
Microkorg (on its way out though)
Volcas
Arturia Microbrute
Novation Bass Station/Mininova

If you're just making music for fun then I highly recommend the Volcas. They're really great for just jamming and messing around with simple ideas.

>>71307583
I got mine for $900 as a restock. Screen plastic was still on.

It's cheap for a decent poly, and I can add cheap voice modules instead of being set to 6 or 8 and expand with expensive modules.

https://youtu.be/l-pLObY7BK0

https://youtu.be/_6otNKRWcew

favs

>>71308465
one of mine as well, so much character

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ155KLFoQM

>>71308570
>character

https://youtu.be/30FeAZyPAPI

>>71306452
Knob per function is really overrated. What people actually want is a quick usable interface.
>>71306521
I wish the 0 coast was more popular, I think it got a bit over shadowed by the Mother 32 because it has a sequencer and is less esoteric.

>>71308900
what is quick about a single point and click input?

Why do people these days tell everyone synth shit is "synthwave" even though it's been synth pop since like the 70s with kraftwerk and jmj

>>71308928
Didn't mean to imply that kb+mouse is any good for synths, just that knob per function is overrated. I actually do thing that kb+mouse is the best for programming drums and doing arrangements though.

anybody know any good synth-selling websites besides sweetwater?

>>71309224
Kraft. The bundles there are awesome.

>>71308994
Because it's based on nostalgia of 80s soundtracks and not 70s electronics.

>>71309224
Analoguehaven
Novamusik
Muffwiggler forums

>>71309224
perfectcircuitaudio.com
rocknrollvintage.com
ctrl-mod.com
detroitmodular.com

>>71309409
>rocknrollvintage.com
they have a vintage synth section with some rare stuff that gets updated regularly.

>>71309224
Foxtone music for Minneapolis synth nerds

>>71308570
Love this set!!!

https://youtu.be/pLQy4jQmrek
This dude makes his Moog sound like melting transistors.

>>71309330
>>71309382
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>>71309808
thanks

>>71302445
>>71304699
>>71302479
clypit seems to be working now

https://clyp.it/ecy1ai02
https://clyp.it/cb1jgrjd