/classical/

the next trend is ironic meme-alism

>>71264079
It's become shit lmao music died after 1749

>>71264155
Actually it died on February 3, 1959

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Asked in the last thread but I'll ask again, what are your thoughts on Luciano Berio?

>>71264213
actually it was a mistake in the first place

>>71264238
pretty good

>>71264072

I don't see why would rejecting atonalism (wich is not what I'm advocating for) imply falling again into the minimalism trap (wich is already 50 years old).

>>71264238
the 3rd movement in his Sinfonia is memey but the good kind

>>71264238
gimmick based composer, hopefully we will completely forget him in the next 80 years

pretzold

>>71264375
it's super easy to fall into the trap of doing what works rather than trying to make new forms.

>>71264675

I don't see how that would concern well intentioned artists.

>>71264238
I like him a lot but wish he would have done more non-gimmicky orchestral stuff, like Carter or Lutoslawski.

Bach (rare)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCVF3b3nHCc

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>tfw you start to enjoy Mahluh

What's the best Rameau performer on piano?

For a pleb like me who knows nothing about Beethoven, except the Grosse Fugue and the WoO 24 (military march in D, thanks to the anon who recommended it btw :), where do I go next to understand why is the greatest of the greatest ?

>>71265323
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>>71265350
symphonies 3, 5, 6, 7, 9 are the essentials but the others are swell too

Critique my tfw no gf piece /classical/

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0MY9IVoVJbT

>>71265350
Listen to these works and just assume that he is an actual genius and that you're 100% more stupid and less sophisticated than him (aka: trust him):
>14th string quartet
>3rd, 5th, 7th and 9th symphony
>Piano sonata no. 5, 8, 17, 23, 28, 30, 31 and 32 (the last 4 are his best ones)
>The Diabelli Variations

Virtually every single opus he released is worth listening, but start with these. Also the Military March in D is a meme.

>>71265419
That's a very weird name.

>>71264238
I'm a big fan. Hugely versatile in a massive variety of musical styles/idioms.

And I've just realised I've not listened to that opera he did with the Calvino libretto, so I'm going to have to do that now.

Just finished watching Death in Venice. Mahler's music is prime decadence-core, it works really well for the subject matter.

>>71265526
And you're a fucking idiot so I guess everything's the way it should be

>>71265571
Rude.

>>71265323
Sokolov

The only one playing Rameau on piano I can listen to

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=_Ka289l3W0Q&video_start=0&audio=k-Tw1sqzkfk&audio_start=6

B O G

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>>71265532
What's your favorite recording of his stuff? What do you think of his more "gimmicky" stuff?

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Spinning around my room like a fool to Glinka. Feeling dizzy

>>71265875
Wow not only do you listen to some sissy gay shit you also behave like a sissy fag.

>>71265875
Spin some more hopefully you'll fall over and hit your head

Anyone have any comments on my piece? I posted it earlier, it's a passacaglia thing.

If there was /comp/ or whatever. I'd just post there.

>>71265849
Related to his "gimmicky" stuff:

I remember once cleaning up my room while having a playlist of Berio going on. It wasn't until I was about halfway through Visage that I realised it probably sounded (to my roommate) that I was just listening to some really loud, weird porn.

I've not listened to much Berio recently (outside of this opera that I'm actually really enjoying, I've been reading lots of Calvino recently hence my interest in hearing this) but the last thing I really enjoyed by him was "The Cries of London"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZuAB2m4oqk

And the Folk Songs have that evergreen appeal, a lot like his orchestral transcriptions/arrangements

>>71265477
Thanks a lot, I had the 14th string quartet on my hard drive actually, and the first few minutes made me cry, more than the Duster songs I'm used to (I haven't slept a lot though, might explain that reaction).
Do you have any similar recommendations for Mozart ? Is his requiem a meme ?

>just assume that he is an actual genius and that you're 100% more stupid and less sophisticated than him (aka: trust him)
Yeah, I know I will never be a genius like Gauss or something. I like to shitpost on Taiwainese cartoons forums and drink booze too much, I don't craft my art like this kind of person.

>>71264238
He has my favorite Schubert symphony.

>>71266024
It's fucking terrible. It's not a passacaglia, the theme isn't clear, the entire exposition and progression sucks and the whole thing just drags out like molasses without any interesting flair.
Actually listen to some compositions before clicking on random buttons on your computer. It's fucking disgusting.
>composition
Don't make me laugh lmao

>>71265951
>>71265975
Feeling slightly offended but still spinning

>>71266123
You seem very irritable. Is it possibly because an anon who doesn't even want to be a composer wrote something better than you? I mean if you were more constructive I'd think otherwise.

>>71264238
I love Sequenzas

>>71266162
Nice try, samefag. Pathetic.
I'm not a composer lmao. Good projection though maybe you could actually get a part time job at a cinema with that you fucking pathetic neet.
>nothing constructive
>everything that's wrong with the music has been listed
Learn what words mean before you use them, retard.

>>71266234
Oh, so you have no job? That's sad. I hope you find some success in life, like I have. :)

>>71265553
never liked the Adagietto recording they used for that, so many people play the Adagietto like a bunch of pussies

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>he listens to romantic music unironically

>>71266308
>still projecting
High school dropout detected

>>71266325
i listen to big band baroque with lots of vibrato and wobbly singers, suck it nerd

>>71266334
>still b8ing or spazzing
NEET detected

>>71266399
>still this fucking retarded
Embarrassing

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>>71266325
You must be the guy that listens to Kurljandski unironically.

>>71266416
>still this pathetically obsessed
Sad!

>>71265323
Tharaud

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>>71266491
>gets called out and btfo
>"h-hurr yer obssessed !1!!"
t. double digit IQ

>>71266520
faggot

Bach and before, Ives and after.

>>71266520
>posts manga/anime
Wow, you sure aren't a NEET huh?

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>>71266561

>>71265475
That's just a mess

>>71266677
Just like his sex life

>>71266317
No that Adagietto is especially terrible like sugar frosted shit, most youth orchestras could do better.

>>71266677
I guess I'm just trying to understand what's particularly worse than what Max Richter writes.

>>71266710
Messy sex is the best sex

>>71266718
yeah i know, but in general i think a lot of conductors are wrong headed about the piece.

>>71266744
Dubs confirmed

Never gunna have sex m8

Just gonna listen to classical and lift

>>71266740
Max Richter is a meme

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>there are people in this thread RIGHT NOW that have LITERALLY spent money on digital music

>>71266814
ok, have fun. music is better anyway

>>71266816
Then I'm just asking the wrong people, OK.

>>712668517
are those black trousers with brown shoes?

>>71266317
>>71266718
That adagietto is pretty good by Schwarz, maybe not the best but still good, it's just one of the fastest at 7 mins compared to the usual 10 mins. I think I've heard Mahler played it on the faster side, but it doesn't really matter that much.

>>71267470
yes, i've heard the Schwarz. it's good. has that nice Everest audio quality too.

little known fact, Horenstein prepared that orchestra and then Schwarz came in and conducted in for the recording.

Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w433wbM14Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jem-LgKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MU1T6uDXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s22fNJdICQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an77qFp0Y9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BSfYz4_Gbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xweAry37KUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOVF-33A9HI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqSAGwa49MM

The suite in g minor and the toccata in b flat major available for download
http://www.saladelcembalo.org/archivio.php

>>71266064
his requiem is a meme but still listen to it
feel free to stop after the lacrimosa though - that's when he kicked the bucket and a student took over
listen to his mass in c minor

>>71267626
Yeah I mean that's the recording used for Death in Venice

>>71267748
Franco Mannino conducted it though

>>71264155
I think the art of fugue was written in 1750 so you're wrong.

>>71267803
oh really? i always thought it was the schwarz recording that was used for the movie. nevermind.

Let's list all of Bach's plagiarism crimes so far here:
>Petzold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
>Telemann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79etYWWA3r4
>Lonati
https://youtu.be/i34r_eRGmwY?t=172
Who else?

>>71267882
>JC Kittel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqJvk4kamW8

What is the best requiem and why was it Verdi's?

>>71267882
>Albrechtsberger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV4khmUhMrQ

>>71268051
The one that's played at your funeral

after i kill you.

>>71268051
>not Brahms

>>71267684
Thank you.
I'm listening to the 9th symphony right now for the first time. I'm popularist and I thought it was a meme, because of the opening of the second movement and the fourth, but damn, the guy sure knew how to use well the dynamics of each instruments, winds, strings, brass, etc. And he also understood harmonic relationships according to time (and space) on a level way deeper than I ever will.
The nationalist right-wing would recuperate and put more emphasis on him as an example of "muh culture we need to save from the neo-Saracen" if they were smarter.

is liking mahler patrician?

>>71268155
I like to sleep too anon

>>71268155
Music cannot be patrician because it's a plebs hobby

Anime is patrician.

>>71268051
It's certainly one of the most dramatic maybe losing out to Britten's, which is designed in part as a homage to Verdi's.

What are some solo piano pieces or something else with few voices that I can ponder over with some sheet music and figure out how music works? Or maybe a nice book? I know what a cadential 6 4 is but I haven't found a free source that goes beyond that.

>>71268218
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa7_eOkHFJo

>>71268195
Bonus point if you're watching Legend of the Galatic Heroes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzcG4whQerQ

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>>71268259
>all those entry tier highschool books

when will we gas the normies?

>>71268251
>you'll never travel through space while listening to Mahlu
Why even live?

>>71268051
>Zelenka
>Hasse
>Biber
>Lotti

>>71268259
*reads sparknotes and wikipedia summaries of a bunch of books*
Yeah, I guess you can call me a literature hobbyist. Ulysses,Infinite Jest, Paradise Lost, the list goes on...

side note, isn't that edition of Gravity's Rainbow like trash or something?

>>71268354
Your task, in these dreams, is often to pens.

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Is /mu/ still pleb? Asking for a friend

>>71268679
>Handel
Yes.

>>71268679
give me like 3 hours to comb through those and no

>>71268679
i will never get over how fucking garbage that DG cover is for the Stravinsky

>>71268679
Can a man not have pride in being a pleb?

>>71268702
I see Handel is still underrated.

>>71268734
I kind of like it.

>>71268679
Do you still like Gershwin CLT?

>>71268804
Who doesn't?

>>71268679
>Handel three times
>inadvertently underrating Schütz and Monteverdi
>Hogwood
CLT pls

>>71268796
Badly rated != underrated.
As expected from the shittiest trip on /claissical/.

>>71268830
That (((Levin))) recording is off the chain brizzog nawmsane

>>71266064
Listen to his Haydn Quartets, the piano concertos that come after the 20th one, the meme operas and his requiem.

>>71268852
He might be the shittiest trip in /claissical/, but is he the shittiest trip in /classical?

>>71268899
In /classical/ yes but not in /classical.

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>>71268883
First, superior HIP concerto 17 coming through.
Second, you're still underrating Schütz and Monteverdi which is unacceptable.

>>71266064
Listen to everything Mozart composed after 1780 or so.

>>71266561
>Ives and after

Spoken like a true idiot completely brainwashed by American academia :)

>Bach and before

Way too arbitrary, if you do this it immediatly become obvious that you're just tyring to be as pretentious as possible.

What's the classical equivalent of Wallace Stevens?

>>71268923
I had to put Handel three times to trigger Bachautists

You know I love Schütz

>>71268888
FAKE NEWS

Mozart only wrote one meme opera

FPTMIU

>>71268679
>Missa Mi-Mi
Ockeghem knew, didn't he?

>>71268968
>Mozart only wrote one meme opera
Cosi fan tutte?

>>71268955
I don't know, but Elliott Carter set some of his poetry

>>71268991
Cosi fan tutte is actually the secret GOAT of all of the Mozart operas

>>71268968
CLT how do you feel about minorities?

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>>71268259
>it's another ''good art is difficult!!!'' episode

When will people truly understand the aesthetical value of our classics?

>>71268968

>Mozart only wrote one meme opera
The term ''meme'' doesn't refer to the quality of the subject, instead it defines only its popular reception by the masses.
In this sense every major Mozart opera is a meme, given how famous they are.
I wasn't implying that they're bad (Mozart is actually quite underrated ;^) )

>>71268991
I'd assume Figaro or Magic Flute

>>71268991
Zauberfarte

>>71269002
YES

>>71268993
I don't think I even have any of Carter's works for voice. What're some good recordings?

>>71269016
I sometimes feel like they're more trouble than they worth, but we get along in person!

>>71269029
I'm gonna let you off with a warning

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>>71269032
Also your chart lacks Elliott Carter CLT.

>>71269064
>I'm gonna let you off with a warning

Are you really denying the fact that Mozart's operas are some of the most famous pieces of classical music in our repertoire?

>>71269064
>I sometimes feel like they're more trouble than they worth, but we get along in person!
You feel right into my trap! Prepare for a badly written article labeling you as a racist, you can kiss your career goodbye!

>>71269125
Looks like my days of shitposting for Putin are numbered

>>71269092
Famously underrated maybe

>>71268955
I believe his favorite composer was Brahms

>>71268679
I read this as "Am I still pleb?"

and yes, yes you are.

>Handel 3 times
>same crap from the old chart
hahaha

Yo CLT, what do you think of this short strong quartet? http://vocaroo.com/i/s12wqJQFRBzK

It's just a WIP, it's not that good but I'd love to hear your opinion. Also I'm not that other guy who posted a vocaroo earlier (mine is better anyway)

>>71268679
Would recommend a (good) recording of Le Lagrime di San Pietro instead of Prophetiae for Lassus.

>>71268679
redpill me on that perotin/leonin recording, how does it compare to David Munrow, The Hilliard Ensemble, and Red Byrd?

>>71269244
I'd say so. I like all of the ones you named, too.

>>71269239
Hard to pick just one Lassus, ya know?

>>71269190
I'll listen to it while I finish my homework

>>71269189
There is literally no reason not to have Handel three times. Those suites (F minor and F# minor in particular) and those concerti grossi are mad underrated.

>>71269321
>While i finish my homework
CLT confirmed for literally 10 years old

>>71269367
I'm a child prodigy shitposter

More like adagio for strings?

>>71268925
>>71268888
Thanks (nice quads btw)
I'm listening to the Mass in C Minor right now like an anon recommended me earlier, and I must admit I like it less than Beethoven.
I feel like the latter expanded on the idea of the former in a more interesting, chromatic, Sonic Youth kinda of way (even though I'm in the middle of a very dramatic moment of the mass that gives me butterflies in my stomach).
He is more classical in the strictest sense and his music embodies bourgeois cultural capital more than Beethoven, which I feel was maybe more of an absolute madman.
I hope I will still be curious like that about classical tomorrow after I get some sleep desu.

Post your favorite classical movie soundtracks :^)

>>71269396
Strauss' Metamorphosis. It's actually good.

>>71269417
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqSAGwa49MM

>>71269403
>and his music embodies bourgeois cultural capital
Oh my god shut up

>>71269403
>>71269471
>Oh my god shut up
+1.
Granted Mozart's sacred music isn't his best, listen to the mature string quartets or piano concertos.

>>71269403
>He is more classical in the strictest sense and his music embodies bourgeois cultural capital more than Beethoven, which I feel was maybe more of an absolute madman.

Just stop, it's the first time you've listened to him and you have literally no idea about what his historical context.

>>71269520
hell sacred music in general is boring as shit

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>>71269537
Wrong.

>>71269321

Thanks. If you can listen to this string trio too http://vocaroo.com/i/s1dMq8amtjEw, it lasts only 1 minute.
I've started taking composition lessons 2 weeks ago so they're still a mess. I just want someone to give an opinion on my craft prior to its sophistication through intense studying and practice.

This is basically what I can come up with with virtually no musical knowledge.

>>71269471
>>71269520
>>71269526
Triggered Mozart fuccbois

>>71269563
good point.

>>71269537
Who let the fedora tipper in?

>>71269591
ever since the alt-right won it's cool to be an atheist again

>>71269471
>>71269526
I know it was aristocratic cultural capital at the time, but, I don't know, listening to Mozart makes me feel like a loser who didn't have to good enough parents to taught me piano hen I was 5 and who played some classical albums at home. Listening to Beethoven made me feel like the guy was thinking about stuff beyond my worries about death and shit like that.
That said, I very much enjoy the piece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV-JZg-iH_M blows any Thoven concerto out of the fuckign water

>>71269623
They both had the same upbringing (and they both got taught music by Salieri and Haydn). The only difference is that Mozart loved it while Beethoven hated it.

Good composers for Mahluh? Already listened to all his symphonies at least once.

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>>71269656
>tfw listening to that exact movement right now
Being patrician isn't for everyone Richard, you know that.

>>71269694
conductors, you mean?

>>71269694
>conductors
Fixed

>>71269718
Yes, sorry.
.

>>71269675
The Mozarts were the Jackson 5 of Salzburg and Wolfgang was Michael

>>71269728
>>71269694
Horenstein
Walter
Kubelik
Mengelberg
Kondrashin
Maderna

Post favourite movements of Mozart concerti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EovRGWPBXDw
>that flourish on the piano's first entry
Cheeky Schnabel

>>71269740
The difference being that Mozart actually made good music.

Is Rameau the most elegant composer ever?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xauCNlYyV8A

>>71269766
Yeah and instead of touching children he just wrote cheeky letters to his sister

>>71269782
Did Beethoven touch children? Or are you still talking about Handel?

>>71269778
I dunno, I'm listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4QYMJQe9wI and it's pretty elegant

>>71269778
Rameau has great flair but he lacks subtlety

>>71269778
Yes but not on piano

>>71269822
>not on piano
Stop being so uptight, it sounds beautiful on the piano, I'm 100% sure that Rameau would have appreciated it.

>>71269808
Hey CLT you know a good compilation for Paul Whiteman? There's almost never an active jazz thread and it's not like anyone on /mu/ listens to music before the 1950s anyways.

why is this thread moving so fast
stop shitposting you fucking morons

>>71269865
clt arrived there's nothing we can do

>>71269865
>no fun allowed
Kill yourself, poly.

>>71268804
Gershwin is great

What's some good stuff like Music for 18 Musicians?

>>71269929
My composition diary, to be honest.

>>71269694
9th: Ivan Fischer
2th: Michael Gielen
5th: Michael Tilson Thomas
3th. Semyon Bychkov

>>71269929
Petzzold

>>71269970
Thank you for your honesty.

>>71269865
the last two threads have been a big success, fuck off.

>>71269761
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgvQ6gXeB-w

>>71269881
that isn't CLT you fucking newfag

>>71269987
Nope

>>71269728
you'll get some pretty varying opinions.

1 - Kegel, Kubelik, Horenstein, Hengelbrock (for the original "tone poem" version), Scherchen
2 - Klemperer (any version, but '51 is best), Stokowski (preferably live), Scherchen, Kegel (GOAT chorus), etc. (honestly, there are lots of pretty good resurrections)
3 - Martinon (GOAT sound), Kubelik, Horenstein, Adler, van Beinum
4 - ***Mengelberg***, Rosbaud, Britten, Swarowsky, Kegel, Horenstein
5 - Walter, Maderna, Tennstedt (NY set), Kubelik (preferably '51 but later live one is good too), Scherchen (VSOO), Swarowsky (GOAT balance. very slow finale though), Mitropoulos (mind the flubs), Boulez (early BBC)
6 - Gielen ('71), Kubelik, Mitropoulos ('55), Horenstein, van Beinum (shit sound), Rosbaud, Prêtre
7 - Kondrashin, Gielen, Kegel, Rosbaud, Scherchen
8 - Stokowski, Horenstein (haven't really heard any too terrible 8ths, though.)
9 - Maderna, Kubelik, Horenstein, Walter (Wiener is better, but Columbia is fine), Kondrashin ('67), Rosbaud

there's my list, constantly in flux.

if you don't mind chamber arrangements, Slowik has HIP recordings of the 4th and Das Lied (arranged by Schoenberg, Stein, Riehn) which are both extremely good. both go back to the Mengelberg annotated scores, as well as his and Mahler's recordings. Slowik also has a very elegant Adagietto recording which is swift and singing, with the correct amount of portamento.

also Nanut has a recording of the 4th with a boy soprano in the finale. Mahler wanted a young boy in that role, and it's quite a different experience from the norm. Bernstein also has a version with a boy soprano, but the boy can't sing.

/autism

>>71269761
Schnabel still has the GOAT cadenzas. too bad no one else seems to use them.

>>71269778
Rameau is the king of color along with Mozart, in my opinion.

>>71270022
yes it is, look at the username

>>71269989
>80% banal shitposting = big success

no, you fuck off dumbass

>>71270061
you broke it, you fucking idiot

>>71270004
reminder that this was Stalin's favourite piece of music

>>71269782

>Yeah and instead of touching children
What? Beethoven was a pedo?

>>71269321
>There is literally no reason not to have Handel three times
Bach tho

Only once you stop underatting Bach will you be patrician, CLT. not before

>>71270203
Stalin's favorite Mozart concerto was K466, iirc

it's the one that he dragged Yudina out of bed for to make an impromptu record. allegedly broke into tears when she started playing.

>>71270236
We were both wrong, it was K488.
Damn, Stalin was a true patrician.

>>71270258
hehe it would be funny if there were a 1 at the start

>>71270258
makes sense, the other Yudina recording is 488. got them confused

CLT are you a composer too?

>>71270360
he isn't. Used to sing in a faggoty choir or somesuch

>>71270460
I wonder how CLT's golden pipes feel around your cock

>>71264079
>Debussy. There is an accompanying chart, available on request.
I am requesting this chart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JNLG3vPzbg

Is Percy Grainger underrated?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4Y8jbQoYbQ

>>71270911
Is this a meme?

>>71271186
He's got some pretty charming music for sure

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>>71271186
I'm worried if I listen to this I'll hear a musical shitpost

>>71271186
Nah he's properly rated (in le trash)

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In compliance to my /classical/ fellows advice, new additions to the Abridged Guide as follow:

Elliott Carter: String Quartet No. 2 (in honor of anon #1)
Einojuhani Rautavaara: Symphony No. 5 (in honor of anon #2)
Carl Nielsen: Symphony No. 5 (in honor of CLT)
Arvo Pärt: Litany (in honor of poly)

>>71271623
>>71271645
nice double post loser

>>71271664
posted the wrong image

>>71271679
even worse then

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>>71271645
>honoring Poly

Why?

>>71271645
kill yourself

>>71271750
fuck off

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>>71271913
hahahaha you're mad

>>71271645
>Litany
Why not Fratres or Fur Alina?

Also whats with all the literal who composers? why not focus on the important ones?

>>71264079
If I'm trying to get into classical, which of those mega folders should I start with?

>>71272134
>Also whats with all the literal who composers? why not focus on the important ones?
They're all actually important, which ones are you referring to?

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>>71272211
Listen to Jongen

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>>71270042
>Stokowski (preferably live)
Would that be this one or is there another I don't know about on some Chinese blogspot?

>>71272420
don't bother, listen to michael gielen it's in the mega folders

>>71272259
Schreker, Wolpe, Eisler, and Levinas

Still no Penderecki or Ferneyhough either

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>>71272709
no

>>71273013
that one's also good

>>71272956
>>71272956
>Schreker
one of the most popular composers back in the 1910's

>Wolpe
godfather-like figure in american avant-garde

>Eisler
-first of Schoenberg's disciples to compose in the twelve-tone or serial technique
-long-term associate or Bertolt Brecht
-highly political figure
-composer of the national anthem of the German Democratic Republic

>Levinas
-founder of the Ensemble l'Itinéraire from which spectralism came
-son of philosopher Emmanuel Levinas
-excellent composer

>Still no Penderecki or Ferneyhough either
i don't like either of them

>>71273170
they all suck

>>71273170
>Wolpe
>godfather-like figure in american avant-garde
and yet no Ives

>i don't like either of them
Ah so you're basing this whole chart on who you like, rather than who was important, got it.

There are still 3 minimalists in the 70s. Stick Ferneyhough or Penderecki in for 1 of them at the very least

>>71273381
>There are still 3 minimalists in the 70s.
Feldman is not a Minimalist, please

>Stick Ferneyhough or Penderecki in for 1 of them at the very least
Explain their importance, cause it goes over my head. Just for inventing a niche notation system doesn't mean they're very important.

>>71273522
>Ferneyhough
single-handedly created new complexity - an entire sub genre in 20th century music. Helped to pioneer live electronics combined with a performer in classical music in the 70s

>Penderecki
pioneered extended techniques and aleatoricism, hugely influential on most 20th century composers post 1960. The most important polish composer of the 20th century, and some might say the most important 20th
century composer full stop

Feldman is often minimalist by definition - using a small amount of material to create large scale pieces. Especially the piece you chose.
You could drop reich or glass, you only really need 1 hardline minimalist, especially since you're neglecting complexity and the more academic music in that period.

Last year I really liked Brahms, now i've evolved to shostakovich

where will i go from here composer wise?

no memeing pls

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>bought a book of sheet music
>half of the book is some shitty bog suite

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>>71273932
scraping the bottom on the bog so to speak by using that mundane story as bog posting

>>71273877
You'll be back to listening to non-classical music exclusively by the end of the year

>>71273877
Bartok, then Schnittke

How many GB's is the General Folder #1

>>71274215
69

>>71273877
More like downgraded to.

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>>71273664
fine man, i updated it

Really though, why do people, including Gould, hate on Mozart? What makes him a bad composer? I can't hear it.

>>71275353
They're plebs is why.

How do you learn to judge the merits of a given interpretation? Quite a few times I've hear beautiful music whose performers have been disparaged as being unfaithful, or simply bad. I don't have the ear for it right now, but I'd really like to learn.

>>71275663
Listen to more music

>>71275663
Start with a piece you know really well. Listen to your favorite part from two different interpretations. Decide which you like better. Then move to a third interpretation, then a fourth, etc. Skip around the piece and just listen to how each did it.

>>71275663
with orchestral music honestly it's 90% how clear each part of the orchestra is, how they manage dynamics, and pure sound quality. there are a few conductors who go beyond that stuff (furtwangler) but they're rare and anyone who says otherwise is selling something

Thoughts on Ferenc Fricsay?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bky5FHEKZjk

>>71276100
Favourite for Beethoven's 9th. It's the one used in A Clockwork Orange.

>>71276113
Both Fricsay's second movement and Karajan's last movement are used in that movie

>>71276100
the Moldau is a most blase piece

Adolf Wiklund
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbPvzVNGmtM

>>71276200
What is that supposed to mean?

>>71276243
its a meme's meme

Post more nationalist music.

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Thoughts on Max Reger?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Reger

>>71272420
yes, that one is very good. there's also another one with Philadelphia which has some pretty amazing playing, but it's cut in the finale a bit.

also the acoustic is very, very dry. stereo, though.

>>71276835
decent fugues

>>71269396
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Les39aIKbzE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr4ItL3Z8kQ

mang why this sound all chinese

>>71266123

Same goes for all pasgalias, especially B*ch's.

>>71278382

Ben Jaa Ming

>just finished my slow movement after at least a year of work
>16 minutes
feels so good

>>71279039

Yikes! Regular smoothies and salads should help.

>>71279063
I think you got those backwards

>>71279039
thats a pretty slow movement alright

>>71278382
Pentatonics

>>71279063
>liking bog due to peer pressure
>liking bog due to irrelevant mathematical nonsense
>liking bog ironically to make fun of actual bog fans
>not liking bog

Petzzold

>>71280064

Newfag here. What's "bog"?

>>71280396
I assume it's a meme name for Bach. Can't be sure, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4gQVuEOXKE

Just brilliant

>>71280793
>JUST

ftfy

>>71279535
underrated by far

Where can I hear Rautavaara's 5th symphony?

Pretzeld

>>71281193
finland

>>71264238
shit tier for just listening to

okay for background music paired with another medium

Apart from the Teutonics and French. Finland has produced the finest music to ever grace our ears and if you don't agree then you are dumb.

Wtf does ''bog'' mean?

>>71279535
great post

>>71282470
A bog is a wetland that accumulates peat, a deposit of dead plant material—often mosses, and in a majority of cases, sphagnum moss.[1] It is one of the four main types of wetlands. Other names for bogs include mire, quagmire, and muskeg; alkaline mires are called fens. They are frequently covered in ericaceous shrubs rooted in the sphagnum moss and peat. The gradual accumulation of decayed plant material in a bog functions as a carbon sink.[2]

>>71282470
people who are too simple minded to understand the genius of the late romantic period of music shit post "le bog music" on a cambodian pottery forum to make themselves feel better

>>71282760
Wait I thought they posted about firetrucks

>>71268679
>Claims not to be a Handel underrater
>Alexander's Feast and Brockes Passion aren't present

why

>>71282760
What's bog music? Be clear, for fucks sake

>>71282470
>>71282760
>>71282791
I think bog is like Bach to Brahms Germans and firetruck is like Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, Shostakovich, and the like

>>71282921
Is Beethoven a bog or a firetruck?

The bog/firetruck dichotomy is essentially the Apollonian/Dionysian, no?

>>71282968
Both

>>71282978
Sure

>>71282968
he is a bogtruck

PET

>>71283653
THE CAT

>>71281862
proofs?

Is there any good phillip glass?
Everything I've listened to from him just sounds like pop music

Is Mozart piano concerto 24 a meme?

>>71283826
It's secretly the best concerto he wrote.

>>71283752
Welcome to minimalism.
Don't bother, it's not worth it.

>>71283752
Like Einstein on the Beach maybe

>>71284241
well i like minimalism like john adams, steve reich and gorecki, but glass literally just sounds like youtubers doing piano covers of top 40 songs??

>>71284520

Glass is basically Bach but utterly retarded and repetitive.

>>71284520
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hMw1C6fPt8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9qybpUuYAQ

literally no difference
>>71284543
y he's like a retarded mixture of bach and satie

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Here's a lesson I made

https://youtu.be/AuDHE1kIzik

Are there any living composers as prominent as Glass, Part, or Penderecki who aren't mainly known for work in popular or film music?

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>>71282978

The ends of the Apollonian/Dionysian horseshoe converge in the BOG. Bach's Mathematical clamor and Mahler's...uh...clamor clamor, though not being identical, are still closer to each other than to anything else.

>>71282999

hhhhhhhhheh

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>>71285500

>mfw i might write a serious essay on bog theory and post it online

>>71285538
do it you crazy copypasta making freak

>>71285538
At least write a serious essay on a good meme. Firetruck memeing was much better--bogfag can only repeat the same handful of images and samefag himself ad naseum.

Can i get a quick rundown on bog theory?

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>>71285552
>>71285591

You'll be the first to know when I finish it. Though I'm warning you, you'll get really mudmad.

>>71285645
It's impossible to get angry with you, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDA_vSWIaoU

What is there to raff about?

Have any of you given a shot at writing about music, i.e. music analysis and album reviews?

>>71286164
Why would we? There's enough of those people already

>>71286574
You would do it if you're interested in it.

Before falling asleep I always enter in a zen-like state in wich I can hear full blown symphonies in my head. With some training I've learnt how to trigger this mindset at will.

Now, I don't know how to transcribe music, nor I have any sort of musical training. How much practice does it take to learn how to transcribe music from your head to music sheet? I'm sure I could give it 2 hours of practice every day.
What should I expect?

>>71286805
>What should I expect?
Badly orchestrated, over stretched covers of popular songs.

>>71286844

The quality of the music doesn't matter in this question. I'm just interested in knowing how much practice and time does it take to transcribe imagined music.

>>71287013
New thread
>>71287013

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>>71286844
YOUR BADLY ORCHESTRATED

>>71284691
nice, sick intro dude