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Is it HIP?

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What did Mozart mean by this?

>>71230117
*laughs hysterically*

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Alright, the abridged guide was finished earlier today

>Best decade?
>Shittiest decade?

>>71230164
huh, not too bad. I would include Schoenberg's 5 pieces for orchestra in the 1900 instead of Puccini.

Get some Ferneyhough in the 70s instead of glass - time and motion study 2.

If you want to do 20th century right, you want to include the most cutting edge stuff from each period. Schoenberg instead of late romantic opera, ferneyhough instead of doubling up on minimalism.

I would exchange kancheli with Arvo Part's fratres in the 90s too

>>71230164
1910>

>>71230164
>Martinu
Replace Martinu with Carter's first two string quartets.

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if you're not listening to HIP you're doing it wrong

>>71231089
Is posting images of women with shitty opinions some sort of social experiment?

>>71230784
who's gonna represent the importancy of italian opera? pierrot really marked an important period.

glass is really important to the later decades even if a sellout i wouldn't remove it

>>71230164
Classical Music lost itself after Bartok died. No real leader after him. Everything pretty much sucks after Bartok

>>71230784
where are all the shitty spectralist composers you shill all the time

>>71232079
personally I can do without most of Bartok...

If I want sharp, incongruous cacophony I'll break glass

>>71232184
>personally I can do without most of Bartok...
t. hasn't listened to enough bartok

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>>71230164
REPLACE GLASS WITH RAUT RIGHT NOW REEEEEEEEEE

>>71232089
They're both already there... Grisey and Murail

>>71231435
fair point about pierrot, I think complexity is worth representing in the 70s instead of 3 minimalists (rothko being the 3rd - kind of minimal) Drop glass or Reich or Rothko for some Ferneyhough.
You could also drop Boulez for some Penderecki in the 60s

>>71232184
>mfw plebs think bartok is all about sharp, incongruous cacophony

Post your top 40 essential string quartets and quintets.

>>71233429
Post your top 100 essential symphonies first

Geminiani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeQvBygqRIg

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Update on a WIP. Suggestions?

>>71232981
Rothko was a painter lol he didn't compose music

>>71234074
Lol who are all these people outside of Torelli, Corelli, Scarlatti, and Biber?

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r8 my renaissance snippet, i tried to break out of the species counterpoint and sound more like the famous composers. mostly made it by ear, not really following rules

https://clyp.it/zko5mkml#

>>71234506
>lol xD

>>71234577
Where did I put an xD in that post?

>>71234577
pet
z
o
ld

>>71234506
Rothko Chapel is a composition by Morton Feldman

>>71234628
That sounds like a building though

>>71234646
It is a building as well

>>71234656
Now that's just confusing.

>>71232948
looks like a good man

>>71234674
Jerry Seinfeld posts on /classical/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWrgrqaoEJk

Personal favourite for WTC on piano.

>>71234699

K: An ABUNDANCE of melody Jerry?

J: Of course!

K: *starts spazzing out opening and closing cupboard doors, shuffles random objects on the counter"

J: What's gotten into you? What are you DOING?

K: An ABUNDANCE of socially acceptable behavior, Jerry!

J:...

K: You're just not civilized enough, SEE? *ornamental face jitter *

Elaine walks in, Kramer starts spazzing again.

E: What is he doing?

K: What AM I doing???

J: This is what counterpoint is to him.

E: Why DO they always do that...thing though?

J: Thing?

K: *Points at Elaine and stares at Jerry* THING!

E: It's like they always end up...jigging one way or another.

J: *Covers face with hands*.

K: NEH-AAH! *triumphantly shuts a cupboard door he prieviously opened*

George walks in.

J, K, E: IS COUNTERPOINT JUST JIGGING?!

G: *raises eyebrows and stares into space for a few seconds*

G: Is it anything else?

*Bass+laughter, end scene*.

>>71234998
ok

>>71234998
thanks.

So despondent. So alone, always alone.

Any music for this feel?

>>71235581
The Doors - People Are Strange

>>71235581
Burzum - Dunkelheit

>>71232981
>time and motion study 2

Philistine reporting in: I've listened to it, and it bored me to death.
Why do people listen to Ferneyhough? Answer honestly, please.

>>71235581
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDKdrQgp_q0

>>71235852
>Bach wrote music a long time and had over 40 years to perfect his craft. Mozart mastered and exceeded some of bachs writing in only 10 years. Even though mozart still had a little ways to go to match all of Bach, it's pretty obvious he would e exceeded everyone if he lived just 10 more years. There is no debate in my mind mozart was the greatest composer ever, but that's because I'm the only one who seems to factor age and the fact no one during his time even came close to him. Thank you mozart. You were truly a gift to this world.

I'm mad

best recording of Dvorak's ninth?

>>71235836
>Why do people listen to Ferneyhough?
To hear a performer pushed to their limits, playing music full of micro details that almost never repeat. Its high density and probably best in small quantities, but if you listen for the tiny gestures nestled in the music you can get something different each time you hear it - kind of like zooming into different areas of a fractal.
Its probably best experienced live - seeing the cellist nestled among wires and microphones, and realizing the player is at times trying to be heard over their own past being played over speakers...

This short documentary should give you some insight, Ferneyhough is a very interesting guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sykB4znEk2Q

>>71235898
>bogbillies getting mudmad at the truth

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>>71235909
>dvorak
underrated cute-in-a-weird-way core?

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>>71236398
no this lad

>>71236532
Wiener Philharmoniker, conducted by Herbert von Karajan

>>71236756
neat

>>71230045
I'm looking for a Chopin compilation that's good and easy to find
Any ideas?

>>71237443
Arrau

>>71237443
Rubinstein, Arrau and Pollini.

>>71237443
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wygy721nzRc&t=596s

>>71237443
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvASiwxFrlk

>>71237483
>>71237501
>>71237530
>>71237565
Thanks

>>71237565
This interpretation sucks

>>71237610
Nah, you just don't understand true art.

>>71237565

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se_Q_KRGTNg

What key is this fugue written in, bogbilly?

>>71237565

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-LiwWFX39Y

Such celestial transcriptions! The voice of God!

>>71230045
Looks lke a potato with a face.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h0_JGO2PtQ

The anthem of German music.

>>71237756

I mean besides this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h_P8YfVAjo

>>71237720
>a potato with a face
he's just a German

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Villa-Lobos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgh8CzHPKok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mf3SQ3dVz8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3Mj6HBbvXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcNi-5moPe4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHuQPlhpyc

Buxtehude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pwb4IaMBUk

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https://clyp.it/vqqjpwgk
can you guys notate this for me?
idk the rhythm
pic related isn't quite right but the notes are i believe

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>>71237876
i will personally suck the dick of anyone who can notate this accurately

>>71238390
what if i don't have a dick/?

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>>71238409
hot
if a girl notates this correctly i'll probably fall in love and think about that anon for the rest of my life

>>71238420
but will you still suck my dick

>>71238440
yes, with glee

>>71238458
but id on't have a dick, so how are youg oing to do it

>>71238511
>id on't have a dick, so how are youg oing
sorry, I don't speak female.

>>71238548
that's fine, i don't speak aspergers

>>71238511
i've become undone by the thought of this female speaking to me about her lack of an apparatus

>>71238548
this wasn't me (ie guy who needs his notation)
pls bb

>>71238582
>>71238458
>>71238420
i dont want this to ruin our future together

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKoE1f7evDA
>tfw you won't ever hear Beethoven's 18th symphony, 24th string quartet and 42nd piano sonata

It hurts, it hurts so much.

>go on a date with qt ballet dancer
>doesn't even have a favorite ballet

Fucking roasties, I swear...

>>71238611
maybe she likes a lot and can't decide

>>71238611
indoctrinate her
don't give up
she's starting closer to classical indoctrination than most girls so you shouldn't give up

>>71238582
>id on't have a dick
this is clearly an unconscious Freudian statement about the Id's desires of the person

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NBOeKPRSc0

need more /comfy/ + /classical/

>>71238636
>unconscious Freudian statement
man if only there were a more succinct way to put this

Is there a decent movie about Beethoven?

>>71238627
>>71238628
That's the plan, I think she's into me enough to where I can drag her to concerts.

Bitches need to be molded these days

>>71238667
Amadeus

>>71238696
That's neither decent nor about Beethoven.

>>71238696
I hated it btw

>movie about Mozart
>no Haydn cameo

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>>71238679
You gotta build a bitch
cultivate the ideal attributes you want in that cute tight little cunt and then live a life of happiness together

>>71238720
If this movie were historically accurate then she wouldn't be wearing underpants and you could see her cunt

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>>71238745
>tfw you won't ever go back in time and seduce Costanze while Mozart is composing in the adjacent room

why live?

What's the best Mozart String Quartet?

My favourite one is the 16th one.

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where's notation femanon
i need to talk to her again before i die

also, >>71238390
the offer still stands

Redpill me on Busoni

>>71239154
>Redpill
don't be a retard and listen to his piano concerto.

>>71239154
best arranger of all time next to Schoenberg

>>71238599
>shriek-vroom-waaaail-TAAAAAAAA
>the same mellow string bridge in every symphony ever
>SHRIEK-VROOOOOOOOM-WAAAAAAAAAAAIL-TAAAAAAAAAAAA-TAAAAAAAAAA

A tragic loss indeed.

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comfy stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVQovDxq5dQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoYbyK_UAas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3q_HJN51uo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcdu_WUDbnM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRCk49vcjjY

>>71238656
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyAPRkCOno4

perhaps the most comfy

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>>71239959
Schumann>>>Chopin

Its just a fact

Essential Wagner?

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>>71240126

>>71240185
How old is this meme?

>>71240126
All of his operas from Flying Dutchman on

>>71240217
It's in good stereo sound if that's what you're wondering.

>>71240272
I'm a pleb when it comes to Wagner, I have no Idea which renditions of him are memes or not

I have Solti's Parsifal, Haitink's Ring, And Klemperer's Orchestral excerpts

I wish Wagner anon was here

Did Schubert's operas really suck?

>>71240321
Yep, Weber and Wagner>>>>>All Bogperas

>>71240321
Probably, considering they're operas after all

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>>71240321
all of schubert's music sucks so that really shouldn't come as a surprise

>>71240375
Wow, apparently there are people who don't like Schubert. Fucked up.

>>71240409
His schtick is that he posts bad opinions and ugly girls

>>71240375
Confirmed for never having listened to Schubert's late sonatas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUvObtbGxfs

>>71240432
That girl is pretty though.

>>71240311
Wagner anon would tell you that Solti is a meme for sure. I don't know about Haitink but my general feel for anything Haitink is that he does "safe" respectable performances which aren't particularly extraordinary but neither particularly bad, which sounds like good reference material to me.

I've just discovered classical music (my parents were as pleb as it gets and I've literally never got exposed to it).

When it comes to Wagner's and Mozart's operas, and Beethoven's symphonies, should I listen to them with a decent headset, or should I delay the expeirence until I'll be able to listen to them live?
Also I've read that some people are able to read scores. Is it hard to learn how to do it?

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>see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S75gYhODS0M
>immediatly realize that she is hating it, and that she's only doing it to pay her bills

>>71240538
Listen to it however you want and no not really.

>>71240126

More like Bogner.

>>71240584
no one actually likes old music dumb ass
it's either your parents bamboozled you into piano or violin so you now have to do that as a career because it's the only thing your good at
or
you want the connotations of sophistication and intelligence that are attached to classical music to be associated with you

>>71240503
Haitink is routine in Wagner and pretty dull, wouldn't use Haitink as a reference or you will never get in to Wagner. Solti is rather over the top and bombastic but at least he makes it engaging.

>>71240740
Well, there you go.

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>>71240311
Janowski is great if your want a fresh, new conductor for was Wagner. His live recordings are pretty good too

>>71240611
I feel sorry for you.

>>71241567
likewise

Reminder that Bach is a Baroque era composer, not a Classical composer.

>>71241668
>Bach
which one?

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>>71237443
Reminder

Galuppi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8S0Zkn4zBs

>>71241668
well no fucking shit
no one would dispute this

>>71241673
Johann Sebastian Bach. Its just I hear that a lot. Not C.P.E Bach. Apologies

>>71241687
Reminder that 95% of that is animefag samefagging

>>71241725
shut the fuck up
asshole

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>>71241687

>>71241732
t. Chopincuck

>>71241732
t. Chopincuck

>>71237565
>no ocean sounds for deep comfort and meditation
zero/10

>>71242013
>>71241804
What composer is your favorite?

>>71242051
Chopin

>>71242061
xd

>>71242051
I really like

Bernd Richard Deutsch
Vinko Globokar
Rudolf Kelterborn
Arthur Lourié
Ivan Wyschnegradsky
Olga Neuwirth
Enno Poppe
Robert M. Helmschrott
Dmitri Kourliandski
René Clemencic
Alfredo Aracil
Johann Sebastian Bach
etc.

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What do you guys think of her?

>>71234998

What would their favorite composers be? My guess is Jerry-Mozart, Kramer-Scriabin, Elaine: Beethoven, George: Bog.

>>71242261
Newman - Wagner

>>71242261
We already know that Kramer is really into Italian opera, so I'd say either Leoncavallo (since we know he loves Pagliacci) or Rossini.

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>>71242413

>>71241687
what exactly is wrong with it. I mean have you heard Tchaikovsky's fugue?

>>71230045
Literally the best Bach.

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>>71239081
Ww
h
ere the fuck is she?

>>71242876
fuck off cuck

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>>71242631
>mfw Tchaikovsky had to get someone else to write the fugue in his Piano Trio

>>71242631

I mean have you heard Bog's fugues?

>>71242080
some good ass taste right here

>>71243256
swell meme ;^)

>>71243539
drop the good and you've got it

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>>71242080
>etc.

Reminder Bach stole from Telemann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79etYWWA3r4

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>>71242261
>George: Bog

K: So the appeal is nothing, ay?

G: Nothing at all!

K: So you put your favorite fugue on and-

G: I don't have a favorite one. I don't even know which tape is which, which fugue is which...what a fugue is. I skip all the preludes too, too much emotion.

K: A natural Bog fan! They say he put so little though into them that he never even played them. Makes you wonder if...he even...composed them at alllll...

G: *confused look*

G: Anyway I play it and...I just forget.

K: Well...so did he!

Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w433wbM14Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jem-LgKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MU1T6uDXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s22fNJdICQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an77qFp0Y9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BSfYz4_Gbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xweAry37KUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOVF-33A9HI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqSAGwa49MM

>>71234074
Gemans

Schütz
Buxhetude
Froberger
Melchior Franck
Johann Schein

>>71234074
Where's Monteverdi?

>>71245189
That pic is part 2 of a series I believe. Monteverdi should be in the first

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>>71245189
>>71245243
Correct.

>>71239861
thx senpai

>>71234074
A few of these people aren't even mentioned in Bukofzer.

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>>71244931
All very good suggestions.

>>71245934
>both anime and frogposter
wow you need to fuck off eternally

>>71245965
>guaranteed responses
/mu/ and /g/ aren't so different afterall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5ycoNOA9BM

very nice

>>71243636
jealousy isn't a good look, anon

>>71246396
thankfully that doesn't matter on 4chan, where you aren't required to have a stable identity

Is Roger Sessions any good or is he a meme like Cowell?

>>71246841
What's wrong with Cowell?

Reminder that there is nothing wrong with enjoying Tchai, Rach, Debussy, Satie, Ravel, Mozart, or the lesser Bachs.

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>> Youtube videos/movies that will inspire me to compose?

>>71246542
>you aren't required to have a stable identity

maybe if you're just anon
it's different if you're a prominent trip posting as anon, however

>>71247545
hot chocolate high velocity does wonders for voice leading

>>71247545
do you think mozart or beethoven needed anything to inspire them besides the music itself and their own will? get a fucking grip

>>71247576
If only Mozart were alive today

>>71247568
guess which one i am

>>71247544
thanks for not including shostakovich

>>71247630
Fuck

Reminder that there is nothing wrong with enjoying Cage, Stockhausen, Lachenmann, or Ferneyhough.

Pieces similar to Smetana's Moldau?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G4NKzmfC-Q

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>>71247931
This, but it is a bit suspicious if you ONLY like them and no one else. You should like some of the greats as well. There's good music in all of the eras.

>>71247931
there is something wrong with enjoying Ferneyhough

He is a terrible gimmick who doesn't make music

>>71247954
It's even more suspicious if you only like the famous meme composers, though.

>>71238667
Immortal Beloved

>>71247993
yeah
maybe I'm just naive, but too many times I've been baited into thinking I'd be able to discuss music with someone else when they've said they like classical music only to find out they mean that they put on 3 hour youtube mozart compilations in the background when they study

BUMPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thoughts on Berio?

>>71247931
That's like saying there's nothing wrong with being a shithead

>>71247544
>Mozart
explain why you grouped him there?

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>>71249583
Underrated

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>>71230045

>2017
>not making your way through 100+ CD complete works collections of a composer

>>71249899
I prefer to hand pick interpretations for each piece while slowly building a composer's repertoire.

Reminder that Bach stole from Lonati
https://youtu.be/i34r_eRGmwY?t=168

>>71250685
Reminder that Bach's second wife wrote all his works for him.

>>71250775
Yes, also she was black and she had a penis

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I've never listened to classical but want to get into Wagner after learning that he despised Jews. Where do I start?

>>71250862
Der Ring des Nibelungen, then his Overtures and Preludes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HujjNQPv2U

>>71250775
Reminder that Bach wrote one of his best works when his wife died

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>>71250862
start with this

>>71247954
Me, I'm a classical man myself, Cage, Stockhausen, Lachenmann, Ferneyhough, Mozart, the list goes on..

>>71247545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfLCuHSZ-U

>>71250862
He didn't hate the Jews, that's false

>>71251037
Ratboy Genius is fucking gOAT

>>71250911
Thanks

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSopZ3y2ERE
Reminder that Schnittke's vocal music (Nagasaki, Requiem etc.) are the only worthwhile pieces he ever wrote and whatever poly says is incorrect

>>71251519
he wrote a lot of beautiful and eclectic stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY5hlw0-EgA

>>71230045

>>71230045
>>71230045
>>71230045
>>71230045
>>71230045


Would anyone like to hear me and rate me? I think I am breddy good, you wont regret it!

Chopin's 4th Ballade! Go ahead!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzG5hhRaCWY

>>71230045
>>71230045

>>71251681
fuck you Poly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbE5sfYhxIk

what a turd

>>71251792
My fingers hurt just by watching this shit.

>>71252185
thanks!, I think I have a deformed finger hahah, but it works

>>71252234
Were you born with it? If not, you can fix it. Don't end up becoming Schumann. Also, this is not reddit.

>>71251519
One day you will warm to the rest of his oeuvre.

>>71252375
>one day you will condition yourself to like shit

>>71252303
i dont want to go to reddit, even if it is just to shillmyself,,, i guess ill have to, or think of something else

thanks

I think is some form of mild arthritis, doing other things my hands sometimes lock up, but playing piano makes them relax

>>71252384
>shit
You're a pleb son

>>71252442
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoaTVgvxm-M this sounds like shit

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCnQDUSO4I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP73569coeo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUmq1cpcglQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gAPwIhBHqI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bosouX_d8Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1-TrAvp_xs

/pol/ here

R8

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZdMqHNcL6xI

>>71252965
Why do you feel the need to announce that you come from /pol/? Weber is alright.

>>71252805
>Schubert - Ave Maria
Woah! I've never heard this before! It's cool finding new obscure works in /classical/!

>>71252805
>a bunch of snippets from pleb pieces
your point?

>>71234559
>not following the rules for species counterpoint

Should really follow the rules

>>71234559
You earn to walk before you run faggot

>>71252462
Not to me. Glorious combination jazz, quotations, avant-garde and Schnittke's own voice.

Its a great symphony, even if it makes plebs feel uncomfortable.

>>71234559
>top 10 medieval hardcord party mix XdDdxDxDd

>>71233429
all top 40 are Petzold's

age

Zani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyyr2qX2kvM

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>Ferneyhough
Well, I'm sure he was huffing on something when he wrote that wank

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Fuck this is so good

>>71248048
It's a shit movie.

>>71255281
2deep4u

So academic that the average person thinks its crazy

>>71255701
>so academic

Don't put a continuum between the 19th century-first half of 20th century academy and the second half of 20th century-21st century.

Being an academic nowadays is radically different from being an academic 100 years ago, and there's no good justification for it. It is fair to think that Ferneyhough is a charlatan, regardless of how much you've studied music, its theory and its history.

>>71255701
Bach is "academic"
Ferneyhugh is "lel dea so randum??? rules are meant to be broken!!1!"

In Schnittke's Concerto for piano and strings there's a string section that starts about at ~3:30 that sound like a passage from a Prokofiev piece but I'm not really sure which one
Can someone help?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8IwbnmJ_8M&t=240s

>>71255737
>It is fair to think that Ferneyhough is a charlatan
Only if you know nothing about his music

>>71255756
Ferneyhough is in many ways more academic than Bach. Bach uses theory to please the listener, Ferneyhough uses theory to challenge the performer. He's not as interested in what the listener thinks.

>>71255966
>Only if you know nothing about his music
I've studied extensively his 5th string quartet and Time and Motion Study III. I'm not the other guy who is saying that what he's saying is ''random'' (I know it's not), and that was not my point.

I dream of a world in wich usign theoretic concepts will be not enough to be considered avant-gard. I blame scientism for the current state of academia.

>>71255997
>wich
I dream of a world in which people can use the in-built spell check on 4chans posts

>Scientism
I see you missed Ferneyhough's point completely. He believes that a performance is not set in stone, and the score merely suggests that certain areas might be worth investigating. Studying his score is only the first step. Studying how a performer has to deal with his scores is the real area of interest, and where you will begin to understand why he does what he does.

>>71249631
Reminder that there's something very wrong with getting butthurt over other people's taste in music.

>>71250968
I like Alfred Hitchcock but he has nothing to do with Wagner.

>>71252012
>Alex Ross is great!
Damn, I don't think I like this guy any more

>>71256379
>Studying his score is only the first step.
I haven't implied that I've done only that (if it matters I've studied them in a conservatory with a well-known modern composer and theorist, chances are that you've read some of his texts).

>Studying how a performer has to deal with his scores is the real area of interest
Too bad that this challenge is not inherent to the music that Ferneyhough is composing, and had you studied it you would know how formulaic and theoretic it ultimately is. I could write a string quartet with only pop idioms, and have it as intimately challenging as any Ferneyhough composition. You're completely missing the point of his music, and you're also not considering how trivial this conclusion is.

What are Rautavaara's best pieces?

>>71256759
Symphony 7

>>71256600
>Too bad that this challenge is not inherent to the music that Ferneyhough is composing
Its one of the main reasons he writes music, to challenge performers and see how they deal with information overloads.

>>71256803
What I'm saying is that this challenge can stem from any compositional style as long as the dynamics and the rhytms are varied enough.
I could write a set of variations on a theme by Lady Gaga for string quartets and have it fitting perfectly your narrative.
It's nothing special, really.

>>71256759
Harp Concerto, Cantus Arcticus, Piano Concerto No. 1

>>71256831
>I could write a set of variations on a theme by Lady Gaga for string quartets and have it fitting perfectly your narrative.
>It's nothing special, really.
but you dont.

Producing a Ferneyhough score is no mean feat, anyone could potentially copy him, but you could say that of any composer.
Just looking at the score of Time and motion Study II and realizing what year it was written in, and the technology available and how it was integrated, no one else could have written such a piece at that time.

Petzold

Wagner

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>>71256759
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKzWefr7_C0

this is incredible

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Listening to Glinka, drinking some peach tea. It's a nice Sunday morning

Sow which version of this meme does /classical/ like best?

Mussorgsky - Night on bare mountain


>Rimsky-Korsakov's version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5pnoSgIuVo

>Version used in "Sorchinsky fair"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5aCOdE2rd8


>1867 Mussorgsky version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCr5MVslnts

>>71260124
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okhp7HSXO7I

The Leibowitz one.

>>71260172
Leibowitz and Stokowski are pretty similar to Rimsky-Korsakov

>>71260172
>those shitty percussions
What a way to ruin the piece.

>>71260229
>this shitty opinion
What a way to ruin your post.

>>71260241
The drums completely ruin the mood, if you can't realize that, you're retarded.

>>71260263
The drums completely capture the mood, if you can't realize that, you're retarded.

>b
>o
>g

>>71260229
>>71260241
>>71260263
>>71260274
Stop it, guys. This piece is shit anyway.

>>71260293
If you don't like this piece, you're retarded.

Is there some secret torrent site or blog where I can download .pdf full score documents of contemporary works? Those outside the realm of imslp- and including stuff like film scores?

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>>71260342
>enter classical thread for some more refined discussion
>see posts like this

>>71260172
>>71260241
>>71260274
He's right you know

The drums let it sound pretty gimmicky, like something used in a movie

>>71260406
I wouldn't expect any from someone who posts reaction pictures from shitty TV shows in the first place.

>>71260458
The whole piece is a gimmick lmao
Also the most offensive version posted thus far is that god awful chorus one

>>71260464
How'd you recognize it?

>>71260579
google

>>71259126
It feels like what he does is compose some newagey modal easy-listening shit and then adds a ton a tone clusters and anomalies to it so that it appears sophisticated.

>>71260700
Sure thing bud

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>>71260736

>>71260770
So you google search every reaction image you don't recognize?

>>71260798
yeah, it takes all of 3 seconds

>>71260817
I don't believe you. Have a good day

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What do you guys think about Max Richter?

>>71260971
what do you believe

>>71261082
who?

>>71256875
>but you dont.

This sort of statement is as low-brow as it gets, and it totally fit my scientism narrative. You're just fetishizing novelty and innovation, without investigating the value of it (wich is probably due to either intellectual cowardice or a strong belief in aesthetical relativism).

>but you could say that of any composer.
No, you could not say that of any composer. At best you can imitate your style, but to master it can require from a few minutes and a few softwares (in the case of Ferneyhough) to a lifetime (in the case of the greatest composers in our classical canon, and I'm including in this group avant-gard movements as moder as the neo-serialists).

>and realizing what year it was written in
It was written in the '70s, not in the '40s.

>and the technology available
Wich is laughable even for the '70s standards, in this specific case it's just a 14 and 9 seconds delay.

The fact that our contemporary canon is so gimmick-based and so devoid of content and emotion is also cause of people like you, who will rile themselves up for any sort of little innovation, no matter how irrelevant that same innovation is, to the point where using lots of dynamics and rythms and very rudimental technology (wich was nothing special not even in the '70s) will be hailed as revolutionary.

You're not a free thinker, after all. Hopefully people like me will crush your imaginary art world in the next 2 to 3 decades. Get ready.

>>71261118
Max Richter is a German-born British composer who has been an influential voice in post-minimalist composition and in the meeting of contemporary classical and alternative popular musical styles since the early 2000s.

>>71261082
Orchestrated Einaudi with more quirks.

>>71261098
only in the purifying power of the holy blood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1GDRx-F1C0

Non nobis domine,sed nomini tuo da gloriam...

>>71261133
Poly btfo

>>71261641
I'm not poly and this is not an argument.

Petzold

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Thoughts on George Gershwin?

Who are the essential meme composers?

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http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=_Ka289l3W0Q&video_start=0&audio=k-Tw1sqzkfk&audio_start=6

The hardest I've ever heard life affirmed.

>>71262984
Mozzart

>>71262984
Anyone who's fairly known by mainstream audience.

>>71262984
Ferneyhough, Cage, Stockhausen etc.

>>71262984
>>71262996

>>71261082
Complete and utter garbage

>>71261082
I like his Vivaldi album.

>>71262688
Underrated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB6xCbdgjQA

>>71263436
How can a pop music composer be underrated?

anti atonal posters get out

>>71263486
Atonal music is as irrelevant as romanticism was back when Serialism took off

>>71263539
good luck getting a composition degree or any kind of comission without composing atonal music then

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>>71263539
>romanticism
>not neoclassicism
wew

>>71263539
So it's very relevant?

>>71263539
so it's as irrelevant as any form of music?

>>71263568
>>71263572
>>71263576
>>71263580
I HIT THE (YOU) JACKPOT BABY YEAAAAAAAAAHHH

>>71263609
thanks for the (you)

>>71263486
>niggers who write atonal songs
>niggas whom arrange serialist muzak
>nibbas whom'st create minimalist Lied
>Africans whom'st've compose post-minimalist symphonies
>well respected African-American citizen with a well-paying job and a wife and kids whom'st'd've'd composé 10 hour masterworks consisting of vi-IV-I-V on repeat

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>>71263486
You're talking about a revolution that is 100 years old. It is fair to assume that accademic music as a whole should be re-examined once again. Atonality is not the obvious answer anymore, and rejecting it is not reactionary anymore. Keep up with the times grandpa.

>>71263568
>unironically writing this

You won't ever be a true artist, I'm sorry mate.

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>>71263609

Petzold

>tfw that anon won't respond to this >>71263876
since the thread will be pruned in a few posts

Not fair, I really wanted a comprehensive discussion on contemporary music and the academia's role in it.

>>71264017
You can repost it in the next thread, or maybe that person will respond to it anyway

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>>71263876
I don't think rejecting it is the answer. that just leads to minimalism again. there is a lot of atonal academic music that is up its ass for its own sake, but there's a lot more that can be done with it.

>>71263927
nop

>>71264079
>>71264079
>>71264079
NEW THREAD
>>71264079
>>71264079
>>71264079