/classical/

I really like this piece

https://youtu.be/KbF2996shIU

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Alright fags, these are my two favorite renaissance composers: Ockeghem and Palestrina. What are some good recordings of their music that i should listen?

>>71192622
Well maybe I'd tell you if you didn't call me a fag.

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>>71192622
Missa de beata virgine

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7 > 9 > 3 > 6 > 4 > 5 > 8 > 2 > 1

>>71192688
ill take it back, I have recordings of mostly masses and motets from them. I would like other types of compositions like hymns or madrigals if possible.

>>71192742
thanks

>>71192948
further proof 8 is underrated

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Post rare MTT's

>Bach wrote two WTCs
>two WTCs were destroyed during 9/11
can science explain this?

>>71193108
>>71193108
>two WTCs
>*three
building 7

>>71192948
the first movement of 2 is such a joy to listen to
same with 4 and 8

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>>71193113
the third WTC

ded

Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w433wbM14Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jem-LgKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MU1T6uDXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s22fNJdICQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an77qFp0Y9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BSfYz4_Gbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xweAry37KUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOVF-33A9HI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqSAGwa49MM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rujE_KMnFEY

>>71195502
is Petzold a pseudonym for Bach?

>>71195934
B*ch's the only pseud here

>>71195975
Bach was a genius.

>>71192948
>classy fags can't into maths

>>71192622
> > > Hilliard Ensemble > > >

Haydn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEVUpfLljNc

What does /classical/ think of pic related?

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>>71197549

How to get into artists such as Stockhausen?

When it comes to serialists I can still enjoy their music, but when it comes to people like Stockhausen I'm simply lost.
I feel like you need a completely different mindset to appreciate him, but at the same time I'm not sure that mindset deserves to be elevated as academical standard. Do our best composers really need to understand Stockhausen and Cage (I'm lumping together since they're the 2 most internationaly influential composers of the last 50 years) to be at the top of their game?

Also, I'm not trying to be patronizing: when it comes to modern avant-gardes (from the '50s to today) I'm completely clueless: I don't understand what I'm listening to, and reading the scores seems worthless to (I can see the innovation, but not the value behind them, and I honestly can't say the same about earlier avantgard composers like Hindermith, who I see as a true maestro).

Is this a ''the emperor has no clothes'' sort of situation (a collective self-delusion that is inherently meaningless) or am I just being a philistine who can't appreciate contemporary art?

Whats some good notation software with quartertone playback?

>>71198018
>Stockhausen
There's your problem. Listen to better composers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GsugKHLEzQ

>>71198145
>Carter
>better
kek

whats a good site to find sheet music

>>71198165
>underrating the best American composer
>inb4 Americans can't make good music

Who is the best interpreter for Schubert's sonatas and string quartets?
So far I've listened only for Pollini and some Kempff (for the sonatas) and to the Alban Berg Quartett.

>>71198227
>underrating the best American composer
Ives, MacDowell, and that one gay dude are better.

>>71198241
>Ives
>better than anyone

>>71198241
>best American composer
>American

Who cares.

>>71198241
>American composer

When will /lit/ understand that all the US art is pure, utter trash?

>>71198259
He really is isn't he.

>>71198280
please revise your comment

>>71198280
lol retard

>>71198299
>>71198306
>lol, what a pleb, he doesn't want his art to be meaningless, worthless, consumeristic trash

Grow up kids

Any good Canadian composers?

>>71198319
probably not

>>71198319
Gould.

>>71198319
Vivier is cool.

>>71198311
I'm not talking about the content of your comment but rather the phrasing of it.

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>>71193113
The real third Well Tempered Clavier is still being written by our very own, Poly

>>71198311
Keep your homosexual european marxist nonsense out of this thread, please,

>>71198492

When will poly find his own voice?

>>71199002
This can take decades, tbqh

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>>71198018
>Do our best composers really need to understand Stockhausen and Cage (I'm lumping together since they're the 2 most internationaly influential composers of the last 50 years) to be at the top of their game?
Lol no. Stockhausen and Cage fit into a different category, and not just "classical" on most occasions. If you ask me they are more related to sound art/soundscape/electronic music if anything. You should be familiar with them if you are interested in those areas, but with "classical" there is not much need at all.

>>71199033
Has he started composing recently? I mean, if he's in the mid 20s he should be already past composing academic fugues, or at the very least those fugues should retain some personality.

Petzold

>>71199498
Who?

>>71199090
Chopin is poly's model for fugues.

>>71198231
I think Kempff might be the best full set i've heard. Lots of pianists have spotty sets or they only have partial sets: Afanassiev, Lewis (not sure, think it's only partial).

As for the string quartets I prefer the Auryn Quartet set.

>>71198259
Better than Anyone who came after him that's for sure

Carter wins on craftsmanship and Chamber music alone senpai

>>71192948
6=7=3>>>>>>shit>>>>>>>>>>>all his other symphonies

>>71200932
edgy

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Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e58SLSzq3kI

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Can anybody post some good polystylist or eclecticist pieces?

>>71201131
faggot

>>71201246
you should ask poly, who loves that kind of thing

>>71201246
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rwcRQvAiTg

What is the absolute greatest recording of Mozart's Clarinet Concerto?

What is some good Summer classical?

>>71202226
Orpheus Chamber Orchestra

>>71202226
Ognenovski, without a doubt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9390xDUuPuU

>>71202638
This

>>71201246
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgjm9H5u0Q0

>>71202638
Macedonia does it again

Why do people on the internet do the Bach/back puns? Those two words sound completely different, I don't get it.

>>71203326
that's probablyb ecuase you have aspergers

>>71203326
American plebs think that Bach is pronounced as Back.

>>71203326
I bet you say Bock

>>71203326
Not if you're American and don't know how to pronounce foreign words.

>>71203718
I pronounce it Bah-KUU

>>71198227
Only Jewish Americans can make good music

>>71204959
*African Americans

>>71205011
nice meme

Out of the recordings of Tveitt's music out there, which one is the best?

bump you faggots

>>71201246
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8IwbnmJ_8M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3Xehs1rHfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoaTVgvxm-M

>>71198185
imslp.org

>>71198492
I dont like writing preludes though....

Thoughts on Maria Yudina?

>>71206565
the pianist with the biggest balls for sure

>>71206565
meme pianist

>>71198185
Imslp.org

>>71192948
9 > 3 => 5 > 7 > 6 > 4 = 8 > 1 > 2
This is the OBJECTIVE list and if you disagree you are LITERALLY, L I T E R A L L Y retarded.

>>71207170
>underrating 4
who's the real retard here

>>71197563
ass

>>71207170
>9 that high
>ever

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>realizing you will never ever be a great or even good composer
How do you deal with this feel?

>>71207215
>tfw Enescu wrote his Octet when he was fucking 17

Why do women have shit taste in music?

>>71207215
>i should stop playing soccer because i will never be as good as ronaldo/messi

pretty stupid mentality if you apply this to other things

>>71207215
>write first theme for a sonata form
>run out of ideas
>give up
>repeat

>>71207252
Well yeah, you might as well. You will never be remembered or make a career out of it.
>muh happiness
The only thing that matters is true greatness and or recognition. If you will achieve neither, why bother?

>>71207190
4 is good, but to put it above any of the other masterpieces would be disingenuous.

>>71207210
The 9th is the greatest piece of music ever written.

>>71207276
Recognition by whom?

Acdemia is fucking shit, the only thing that matters is to beat your head against the wall of mediocrity and hopefully it crumbles in time

>>71207308
But sometimes the wall was made 10 feet taller, and you'll never be able to smash it down.

>>71207301
the 9th is a flawed masterpiece
5 on the other hand is a perfect masterpiece

>>71207301
It has Beethoven's worst writing for vocals period and also his worst late fugue, it's blunt as hell and the transitions between material almost make the work feel particularly disjointed.

The first 3 movements are incredibly good late Beethoven, but that finale is a mix between disaster and good content.

>>71207331
>>71207367
Plebs? In MY /classical/?

>plebs underrating Beethoven's 8th this hard

>>71207388
overrating the 9th is literally the first thing you do when you get into classical music my dude

>>71207388
I know, right? Haven't seen someone actually claim that the 9th was a masterpiece in quite awhile...

>>71207402
>>71207407
>no u
Not an argument.

>>71207917
neither are >>71207388 or >>71207301

>>71207367 on the other hand, is an argument

>>71195934

Petzold is Bach's friend. Scholars believe some pieces in the Notebook for Anna Bach had pieces by him in it. I believe Anh. 116 and 115?

>>71207402
so the first thing you do when you get into classical is become le edgy contrarian?

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>>71208198
>friend
You mean bitch.

>>71207980
Rebuttal: You talk like a fag and you're shit's retarded.

How do we deal with the G*rman music problem?

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>>71198353
He was a faggot lmao (pic related) he died by getting shot by a tranny prostitute

He has like one good piece too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV8RYaRrx1M

>>71207215
By majoring in music education and giving up or just composing on the side

>>71209248
There is literally nothing wrong with being gay.

>>71209282
t. AIDS patient

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTSF-CIQXqI

Honegger is underrated.

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17artzV0sFU

There is literally nothing interesting going on in classical right now

>>71206180
>>>/antarctica/

>>71209153
*your

>>71210868
Then do something about it faggot

Im not really sure what style of music this would be considered but I am looking for composers who wrote in that kinda film noire style like Bernard Hermann

Too bad barely anyone seems to play Bartok like Bartok played it

Only Sandor seems to match his style.

>>71211528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0nKJoZY64A

Controversial opinions:
>Grainger > Bartok
>Max Richter may be the only significant modern classical composer today
>Monteverdi > Mozart > Bach

lay in your edge boys

>>71211618
>lol
>LOL
>nope

>>71211618
Them are some shit opinions you got there anon.

>>71211834
>>71211836
Bartok was really, REALLY bad at writing themes and melodies for his later works.
Rihm and Birtwistle and whatnot are great but they are relics.
Monteverdi forged a new era of music entirely.

>>71211932
Bartok's themes are fine, and it isn't like tune-smithing is even a tenth of what makes a composition interesting. You can do all sorts of great things with garbage themes, see the Diabelli variations

>>71211618
Dmitri Shostakovich was a greater genius than Mozart by my own estimations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuj5uzgmB5A

by most sober estimates, Shostakovich is the greatest genius to have ever lived. Certainly his music was the best to ever be scrawled.

is Poulenc a serious composer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuGpuhGuRlc

>>71211960
can't really agree since I'm not a fan of Diabelli Variations either even if they're definitely OK
>>71211982
he LITERALLY could not counterpoint

>>71211982
(not true, by the way)

which composer is most like sasuke uchiha?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmW9Ut8V1yg

Is Buxtehude the most underrated composer of the Baroque?

>>71212044
if you like mediocre organ shit then sure

>>71212036
Scriabin

>>71212054
This level of degeneracy earns you a spot in hell

>>71212054

Did you even bother to open the link?

>>71212025
i beg your pardon
his fugues, and first piano concerto come to mind as having exquisite counterpoint
you fucking hack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b7019wx-Iw

Shostakovich had a great late period but his early and middle period is plagued by obnoxious nationalism and "lmao so fanny" """irony""" that it almost seems like a parody of itself.

I think his output would have been more consistently good if the squabble over the 4th symphony never happened.

>>71212122
I think the world would be a better place if you never happened.

>>71211932
>Bartok was really, REALLY bad at writing themes
that's because he's not composing in traditional sonata form. bartok was all about interconnected motives and subtle transformations of limited material, see string quartet no. 4
>Rihm and Birtwistle and whatnot are great but they are relics.
I don't even consider max richter to be music
>Monteverdi forged a new era of music entirely.
I'll grant you that

>>71212122
Having to shelf most of his serious compositions out of a fear for his own life, while also finding alternative ways to stay afloat- financially- like composing film music, would have a considerable drain on ones output. Also, hardly a squabble when that Pravda article sparked so many more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miI0WMDh11c

I think he had a lot of considerably impressive 'gems' in those early and middle periods.

Bach was a fat wanker.

>>71212292
This, we can all agree on.

>>71212398
>>71212292
bach had more talent in his pinkie than you fools have in your entire bodies

>>71212266
How can you enjoy Earth Dances but say Modular Astronomy isn't music...?

>>71191968
Reminder that (Allesandro) Scarlatti is underrated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saHOA1lTTPs

>>71212578
he's just got this new-age techno aesthetic thing going on that's really garish. way too much repetition for my tastes. his recomposed vivaldi seasons is just atrocious.

Reminder that Klughardt is underrated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlJiA24eVN8

Molter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQC1tG0iWTA

Help me fill this list up to the present decade

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/alimal/a-guide-to-20th-century-classical/

I'm trying to make this as a chart to people who ask me/want to get into classical music

>>71213327

never have I seen so much pleb concentrated

>>71213510
>the most widely recognized composers of the 20th century in good recordings of some of their best works
>never have I seen so much pleb concentrated
are you the pleb, anon?

>>71207248
I know some women with good taste in music.

>>71214018
Are there any followup charts for middle and late baroque?

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>>71214409
I-I'm working on it

>>71191968
What is the average audio quality of the music?

>>71214608
lossless

>>71214614
Well there goes my harddrive space.

Thank you very much, I need more music to "test" my new sound system.

>>71192622
If you enjoy Palestrina. You will enjoy Carlo Gesualdo and Claudio Monteverdi

Is it worse for a piece to be too long or too short?

>>71214844
short

>>71214844
long

>>71214844
medium

>>71214844
why not both

>>71214844
too long
if it's too short just listen to it again?

>>71214988
but the idea is that it'[s so short as to be unsatisfying

>>71215020
just listen to a late bernstein recording lol

>>71214844
too short. if it's too long you can just skip the parts you don't like.

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>tfw Schumann composed faster than Mozart

Why isn't he hailed as a true genius?

>>71216918
couldn't orchestrate for shit desu senpai

>>71211618
>Max Ritcher

He's kinda better than Einaudi, but that's it. I honestly can't stand composers who base most of their repertoire on harmonic structures based on the repetition of 4 chords. As hacky as it gets.

>>71216931

Maybe in the 19th century, but now most of his music can be played easily on modern instrument. You can make the same criticism for brass sections in Beethoven and wind sections in Mozart.

>>71216918
I thought he was.

>>71216955
>Maybe in the 19th century, but now most of his music can be played easily on modern instrument.
what? i don't know about the instruments themselves (i prefer older gut strings, anyway) but in modern orchestras, the problems with his orchestration is even worse, since orchestras are much, much larger than they were during his life time, and his ideas are obscured further admist a soup of sound

if you want to make an argument for Schumann's orchestration abilities, and i've heard of a few, you can really only make it within the context of his time

Hasse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO1WjzU90Bc

Handel bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtI5vs-LSkw

>>71214844
Too short. A lot of Scriabin's miniatures are like that, I feel like a lot of them just start to get interesting and then they end.

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>>71198018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1Psx24n3rM

Reminder that if you claim to appreciate such music you are lying. There is nothing artistic about this; it's banal, vulgar, and stupid. Absolutely devoid of any coherent musical ideas

Don't waste your time with such garbage. Here, have some Bach:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAmgeYjgfyk

>>71219615
Stockhausen sure was a looker, though

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>>71219615
why did it all go so wrong

>>71219615
What's wrong? Too spooky for you?

>>71211618
I actually agree with the last one desu

>>71219667
Because you touch yourself at night.

>>71212004
Wow that beginning was bourgeois shit but it develops really beautifully

>>71219696
Can you not read? I already stated why: it is banal. The sounds are vulgar; there is not a single coherent melody to be heard. It amazes me that "intellectuals" could be so pretentious to attempt to appreciate this sort of garbage.

Stockhausen is obviously devoid of any real talent. Praising him would be equivalent to praising an adult for taking a shit

>>71219696
Dockstader, Schaeffer, and Aphex are better

>>71219729
>Wow that beginning was bourgeois shit
disgusting commie

>>71219863
It's obviously just too deep for you

>>71219885
Nope, I only like Music that praises God, the King and celebrates the common folk and the simple things in life (Ives, Bartok, Josquin)

Not the frilly wig dilletante faggots of the 18th century

>>71219878
Who the hell is Aphex? What a dumb name lol

>>71219863
What is a vulgar sound? Like a fart noise?

>>71219923
Way better than Stockhausen thats for sure m8

>>71219918
>I only like Music that praises God, the King and celebrates the common folk and the simple things in life
This is an ultimate bourgeois shit, genius.

>>71219863
Maybe you don't realise but your criticism is empty and amounts to nothing. Saying his works are both banal and vulgar is practically contradictory, but they sound like suitably condemning words and you believe you are being critical. If you wish to criticise his works you will really have to do better than that as you are only likely going to convince someone who already shares your view.

>>71219968
God isn't bourgeoisie retard, neither is a good king, nor the common folk

>>71219977
This very website you're posting on is a testament to the banality of vulgarity

>>71219901
So I could smash rocks against the ground and say that the produced sounds have depth? You may intend them to have some, but that does not mean the "music" lacks musical craftsmenship. But go ahead and believe what you like -- appreciation of music is subjective anyway

>>71220252
>So I could smash rocks against the ground and say that the produced sounds have depth?
Nah that would be stupid

>>71192948

feces > 123456789

>>71220297
wow but beethoven didn't compose that many symphonies

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpqm1hxgH-w&list=PLF81B6EFFAE902A3B

Some more explosive Bog where he doesn't meander through meaningless Numberological weeds for minutes on end and the music doesn't end up sounding like bubbling peat not unlike from an actual bog?

>>71219977
>but they sound like suitably condemning words
But they are. That is my opinion, at least. Go ahead and listen sort of head-ache-inducing trash if you want. It's just beyond me that one could call this true music.

>>71220252
>but that does not mean the "music" lacks musical craftsmenship
but that does not mean that the "music" DOESN'T lack musical craftsmenship*

My bad

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>>71220252
>tfw stockholm syndromed "fans" of both ends of the formalist stick can only address the appalling nature of formalism when looking at the opposite end

Bach and Stockhausen are the THE SAME COMPOSER. What Bach does with harmony, Stockhausen does with timbre, i.e. self-serving wanking with little to no musical value.

>>71220530
That's the first half-decent shitpost I've seen you come up with in awhile, bogfag.

Have a (You)

>>71220530
>the THE

>>71220606
>people still think there's just one bogposter

>>71220641
Right. I forgot there were numerous bogposters all with the same writing style, and they also all conveniently disappear at the same time too. Very strange.

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>>71220688
they travel in packs and discuss prose with one another so as to match up their bogposting and create the illusion of one being.

>>71220688

Like...10 bogposts have more literary variety than 100 albachu akbar posts.

Good recordings of Mahler's 7th?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCnctwMgceY
maybe poulenc wasn't a serious composer but I sure do like to listen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmxsoi1Xeug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG_pMHOF8ME

>>71219878
>Dockstader
>Aphex
make it more subtle next time

Faure has some nice Lieder

>>71220836
One of the best

He's the Holy Spirit of Song, as Schubert is the father and Schumann the Son

>>71220836
He's French though so his songs are called chansons

>>71220886
True enough

>>71220790
Subtlety doesn't really matter concerning Stockhausen

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:homo-erotic classical posting

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throw in a Brahms pedophilia molestation fantasy

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no homo

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chopin and liszt were gay

>>71221368
No they weren't, but Tchaikovsky was

>>71221406
Handel and Bruckner were pedos

>>71221432
Really?

>>71217221
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzai9q6E0aU
Underrated

What are some short pieces as good as this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQw3DvqEbxI

>>71220768
His solo piano is gorgeous
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ITjoWz7Unuo

>>71220372
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDn7kNOZ-E0

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>>71192948

>>71222180
haha

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did you get your copy?

>>71222290
>Meme Rondeau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMbBYR_lplE

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Has any one else bought this? It has Stefan Dohr on first horn and Dale Clevevenger on second horn performing Konzertstuck for four horns.

>>71222543
Hehe.. I wonder what that guy's favorite musical form is....

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Very interesting article.

http://www.bruceduffie.com/sandor2.html

An interview with György Sándor, a good friend of Bartok and an approved performer by the composer.

I specifically thought that the discussion surrounding the gap between the way that Bartok played his music and the way that most pianists play it today was interesting.

Thoughts on Beethoven's Missa Solemnis

>>71224032
soul-crushing
his 2nd best work

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>>71224097
after the 9th right

>>71224349
14th string quartet, but I'm being a contrarian here.
Deep down I know that the 9th is his final masterpiece, but I can't bring myself to admit it. I guess humanity ruined it for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKoE1f7evDA

>that first theme
Fuck, why did have to die? FFS

>>71222999
this is why absolute subservience to HIP is stupid insofar that it constrains the very essence of "interpreting"

St John Passion or St Matthew Passion?

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>>71224440
>we will never know what unheard genius might have sprung from the minds of Beethoven, Mozart, Schubert, Bach, Dvorak, or any of the other greats had they not died

>>71225289
I prefer opera.

>>71191968
Is this Wu Tang Clan?

does this thread also double as /piano general/?

>>71226046
no

>tfw have knowledge across all eras of classical music, am held highly as a performer and conductor, set to graduate from a top tier university
>tfw can't attract a single girl

>>71226141
Don't complain, that's the first prerequisite you need to check in order to become a great artist.

>>71226046
sure why not, everybody keeps fucking asking if they'll be a piano master someday

>>71226046
no it doubles as the /vis-à-vis general/

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>>71222999
just like my animes

speaking of which, what did this thread think about pic related

>>71226141
SDF, is that you?

>>71226189
no but an adherent

>>71226186
no one knows what that is

>>71226189
SDF doesnt conduct

>>71224032
my fav 'thoven

>>71226217
Which is weird because I feel like he would have been skilled at it. He probably has some legitimate justification though

>>71226167
btw can I become a self-taught virtuoso if I start in my 90s, with fingers crippled by arthritis?

>>71226254
Who's SDF?

>>71226282
sweden defense force

>>71226282
>newfags

>>71226254
i don't think he was confident as a performer, but much of his family has a background in that area, so maybe

>>71226282
musicologist-in-training

he's dead, though

>>71226165
Yeah I started reading Kant lately and desu if Kant couldn't get laid then I think I'll be fine

>>71226385
>he's dead, though
So we've spread the CLT reasoning across all defunct trips, what a meme-volution

>>71226398
effectively dead, at least. i don't think he'll come back here until he's done with school, if ever

>>71226393
i think kant was asexual

>>71224032
long boring tedious uninteresting beethoven's piece

>>71226430
Well he said sex after marriage so surely that would be at least somewhat sexual

>>71226441
literally his second favourite piece of his (the first one was the 9th symphony and the 3rd one was his Hammerklavier).

>>71226430
probably true, we still have some letters of his and lots of secondary accounts on his personal life and nothing seems to point to any sort of sexual interest by his part. From what we know all he did in his life was walking, giving lectures and doing philosophy, both for a living and on the side. He was truly devoted to his craft.
What a madman.

>>71226393
you don't have to go that far from music, most of the best composers in our traditions were either prude family men or complete spergs.
Pick one of these 2 roads and stick to it, casual sex is basically artistic poison.

>>71226511
Well I could also pray for gay that seems to work well for music too

>>71226511
>literally his second favourite piece of his (the first one was the 9th symphony and the 3rd one was his Hammerklavier).
who gives a damn, this only means he had bad taste in his own music

>>71226556
sure, I'm sure that Beethoven was wrong and this NEET guy on /mu/ holds in his hearth the ''''real truth'''''.

>>71226441
>>71226556
ffs m8 I can only accept this if you haven't heard the Klemperer

though i do need to hear the Harnoncourt from 1-2 years ago. I'm getting my artist deathdates mixed up all I remember is Boulez, Maxwell-Davies, and Husa were last year

>>71226590
thanks, i am very neat

/classical/ must have the highest incidence of the word "literally" among all of 4chans. literally this place doesn't mince words

>>71226628
factually you are wrong that's probably LGBT with the title

>>71226628
282 posts and there are only 9 ''literally'', 2 are contained in your post and other 2 are only quoted.

>>71207402
underrating the 9th is the second mistake you make when you get into classical my dude

>>71207367
>It has Beethoven's worst writing for vocals period and also his worst late fugue
Yeah we've all read the wiki page

>it's blunt as hell and the transitions between material almost make the work feel particularly disjointed
It is supposed to feel that way, Beethoven is actually explicit about it when the first vocal line show up in the 4th movement (think about how every theme from the prior movements is presented again as a vignette at the beginning of the 4th movement, and then worked on as a unitary piece of music through the last theme, on wich the entire Ode to Joy is based).
Stop assuming that you're smarter than Beethoven, you're certainly not.

Anyone else find it weird Lachenmann is the closest to modern trends of avantgarde

Like of all motherfuckers

>>71226787
>It's supposed to be shit
Well ok then

>>71226592
>Klemperer shilling instead of Toscanini shilling
Go to bed SDF

>>71226831
Jesus Christ go back to band class kid

>>71226831
not an argument

>>71226852
>>71226856
Not an argument.

>>71226842
Tbh it's the only Klemperer that I like so I feel the need to shill it. Toscanini is my Beethoven preferred choice though

>>71226865
*shred guitar solo* see kids... this is *electric guitar tapping, drum roll* FUCKING MUSIC *distortions set in*

wagner operas need more diversity

>>71226892
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DWKJrLE0bMI

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what's your tonal threshold?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlFYC1U5viw&t=675s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0nKJoZY64A&t=435s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-pVz2LTakM&t=71s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp3BlFZWJNA

>>71226961
true, when are we getting an entirely colored cast along with feminist staging??

>>71226970
Will Murail ever compose something that is not worthless?

>>71226974
Honestly if you can't stomach Leonin to Ferneyhough I can't stomach you

>>71227023
Oh come on Spectralism is like the only good innovation of the past 40 years

An innovation done by Grisey but at least Murail trained Steve Lehman

>>71226981
valkyries were trans-gendered women of color who worshipped Muhammad after all, it's only proper

>>71227029
>ferneyhough
the musical equivalent of gibberish

>>71227158
You're gibberish

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Alright the abridged guide is finished, any objections?

>>71220765
Michael Gielen

>>71226787
>Yeah we've all read the wiki page
Not an argument

>>71227438
1910: music started

>>71227493
same

Arnold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT3tF-JlAMk

Why is Poulenc so good when he's supposed to be bad

is a musical background required to write great and beautiful music of the caliber that poulenc attempts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcdu_WUDbnM

Can I get some >hot opinions on Bartok's Mikrokosmos as a study method?

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>>71227438
>no Rautavaara

Delete

>>71225289
st matthew obviously.

>>71226398
What's CLT?

>>71225289
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pWV1oq4E4c
st john

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiVbMB6iLPc

Is it pleb to prefer Beethoven's String Quartet no. 15 to no. 14?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUp6tbiuGqU
wtf i love HIP now

>>71228404
what's his best work?

>learning piano
>also want to learn violin
>already not enough time for japanese vocab practice


fuck me the way this is going I'll die with a million regrets

>>71229314
>japanese
Go watch your chinese cartoons, weeb. Only superior german allowed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZb6a6wr_60