>tfw you killed Ariel Pink's entire career with a single tweet

>>71118606
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/19936-ariel-pink-pom-pom/

>>71118606
#outoftheloop

The only thing she did was make herself look worse by "dissing" someone who is way more important and talented than her. She's just worthless.

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>tfw Grimes got so BTFO by Ariel Pink that her fanbase is still doing damage control

>>71118606
To be honest, between Ariel and Claire, I would expect Ariel to be a more reliable and consistent artist to sign on my label.

Why exactly did Grimes think he was being misogynistic? I know what he said about Madonna, but that's not misogynistic

I actually thought Grimes was more sane than that

>>71118758
It was just a really immature outburst on her part.

I'm usually a fan of metal, ambiance, and post-rock type music. I've tried to get into pop music a few times and it never sticks, it's always too vapid, or shallow, or formulaic for me. Grimes is the first "pop" artist that I've really, really liked and wanted more of.

Highly recommended if you want something poppy, but interesting, pretty deep, and different from the AAA Hollywood crowd.

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>>71118758
Basically she thought the idea that Madonna is "pretending she's 20" is misogynistic. I guess her logic is this: there's nothing wrong with being an older woman who happens to wear certain clothes and dance a certain way and Ariel wouldn't be saying that if Madonna were a man and blah blah blah.

In my opinion, though, Madonna LITERALLY pretends to be 20. She has had more plastic surgery than possibly anyone, ever. She's now 58, and she looks like this. That's actually a pretty fucking bad example to set for aspiring female musicians when you think about it.

Also, Ariel was mainly talking about her music. He was saying that she's trying to make the same music that she was when she was really young and it hasn't worked anymore and it hasn't for a long time. And he was right. It's just as embarrassing when you see old guys who used to be rock stars trying to be cool and make the same music they were making in the '70s and it just doesn't work. It's embarrassing.

But of course Grimes had to take everything out of context and probably not even read the interview properly and make people think Ariel Pink is a piece of shit when he's actually one of the smartest, most interesting popular musicians today. Real dick move on her part.

>>71119122
she does that with everything. she got mad at sophie for using a "girl" name.

danzposter you here?

>>71119122
Wew, that's very far-fetched. I don't know what Madonna's endgame is, why doesn't she fucking just lean back and enjoy the rest of her life in unimaginable luxury? It's like super rich businessmen who keep thinking about earning more until the day they die, it seems so fucking pointless

>>71119237
I think Madonna likes performing, duh.

>>71119260
violence is for ninnies

>>71119237
shes probably jealous of bowie and shit. who can make a "comeback" before his death. plus she enjoys what she does even if she sucks at it.
i always feel like madonna wanted to be a huge rolemodel but never achieved that status like beyonce or tswift has

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>>71118691
...said the envious idiot. Admit it anon, she's way more relevant than you think.

>>71119339
>suck a pen 15

what the actual fuck is a pen 15?

>>71118717
Well to be fair, he was already releasing albums when she was just a kid playing Pokemon, and after more than a decade in the industry, his music is still pretty good, so that is the best choice to make, really.

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>>71118716
BTFO by Ariel? WTF? He lost the battle, he even apologized later. He also called Grimes the female version of him on that interview he insulted her. Ariel actually likes Grimes. Fact.

http://www.nme.com/news/music/ariel-pink-5-1221051

>>71119307
Then she could perform without this whole circus. It's not like she is making interesting music, so it must be purely for the experience of performing and the money. Why try SO hard to stay young and relevant, while making music that's mediocre and forgetful at best

>>71118606
>implying

>>71119404
you have to go to Pen Island to find out

>>71119404
The thing I have between my legs and that I sometimes want to insert into the cavity between the legs of some other humans

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>>71119427
Even more proof that there isn't bad blood between Ariel Pink and Grimey:

>But that hasn't stopped Pink from continuing to point out his influence on Grimes. In a scene from a 2012 feature story in Spin, he watches Grimes perform at Make Music festival. (Keep in mind, this is when "Oblivion" and "Genesis" were everywhere.) "She doesn't do the ramanah," Pink says, referring to a vocal style popularized by Pearl Jam's Eddie Vedder. "No, she does the Pink-a-nah." Later, he adds, "every time I hear her, I hear a little of myself." Pink also tried to invite Grimes on tour with him in 2012—but she was already fully booked. Funny enough, that seems like an apt metaphor to exactly what's happening today.

https://thump.vice.com/en_us/article/holy-moly-is-ariel-pink-the-male-version-of-grimes

>>71119427
too bad grimes never apologized
respect for ariel

>>71119471
Maybe she apologized privately. It wouldn't surprise me to see a collab between these 2. That so called quarrel was blown out of proportion, I'm pretty sure they already forgot about it. Even brothers fight each other, what would you expect from 2 quirky artists?

>>71119540
no she didn't. she made fun of him again in an interview with those other female artist. calling him an asshole

>>71119427
I'm sure that he does like Grimes and her music, but this post seems kinda sarcastic

personally i think ariel pink is a more attractive woman than the grimer

>>71118808
Good post. The thing is that Grimes isn't pure pop, but has quite many influences from diverse genres. Also she's a gifted songwriter and producer. Maybe that's why you like her music.

>>71119182
I'm here. I just heard that Danz' tour van was robbed (she lost costumes, gear, etc). Fuck those dipshits.

gofundme
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>>71119260
You're violent because you can't stand the truth. Fight against your real thoughts, bitch.

>>71119585
That's his style. See this too >>71119465 That happened before that incident.

>>71119558
I think she actually likes him despite Ariel's rude behaviour. At very least she likes his music.

>>71119441
I don't really understand what the hell she's doing either. I've always just seen it as a constant, desperate attempt to recapture her glory days or something.

>>71119676
was just asking to link you that! i donated 10 bucks, hope you could donate too

>>71119427
As far as I know he didn't apologize to her, nor should he have but that's IMO. This tweet isn't an apology. Especially because it does seem sarcastic, although I do think they basically like each other.

>>71119707
This image is terrible

>>71119122

Christ, that's Madonna today? Is here any flesh left or is she pure silicon?

>>71119122
>Also, Ariel was mainly talking about her music. He was saying that she's trying to make the same music that she was when she was really young and it hasn't worked anymore and it hasn't for a long time. And he was right. It's just as embarrassing when you see old guys who used to be rock stars trying to be cool and make the same music they were making in the '70s and it just doesn't work. It's embarrassing.

i don't know.. i really like hung up

>>71119862
I'll donate 10 bucks too. I would donate more but I have some financial troubles right now.

>>71119942
>This tweet isn't an apology.
In combination with >>71119465 it doesn't seem like there's a real hate between them. Shame that happened in public.

>>71120109
grimes made it public...

>>71120156
Ariel started all that by insulting her in public (an interview). Grimes was quite civilized even if she criticized him.

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>>71118758
>Why exactly did Grimes think he was being misogynistic?
Because of the way he was characterizing the NATURE of Madonna's career:
>“Interscope are calling me to help write Madonna’s record,” Pink revealed in an interview with FL’s Doug Wallen.”They need something edgy. They need songwriting. She can’t just have her Avicii, her producers or whatever, come up with a new techno jam for her to gyrate to and pretend that she’s 20 years old. They actually need songs. I’m partly responsible for that return-to-values thing,”
http://fasterlouder.junkee.com/ariel-pink-is-working-on-madonnas-new-album-they-need-something-edgy/840249
This is what Grimes was commenting on in her tweet (see pic related.) The sort of mindset that sees absolutely nothing wrong with describing Madonna's central career values as 'gyrating to techno music while pretending to be a 20-year-old' while simultaneously claiming to be gunning for a job as her next producer. Pretty cut and dry imo.

So how did things escalate from this to the whole imo potentially career-ending "stupid and retarded" line from Ariel Pink? When it came time for The Guardian to conduct a follow-up interview, the reporter in question managed to completely misrepresent Grimes' comment, implying that it had been made in response to Arial Pink's opinion on the DIRECTION of Madonna's career:
>I ask about his latest misadventure, in which he revealed he had been invited to write potential material for Madonna’s new album. His assessment of her “downward slide” was jumped on by Grimes [...]
To which he responded (somewhat understandably, given the misinformation fed to him by the reporter) with the completely backfiring "stupid and retarded" comment.

If there is a moral to this story, it's that you should never underestimate the destructive power of stupid news journalists.

>>71118758
She's absolutely not

>>71118672
where the fuck do you think u are using that language

>>71120874
A well informed anon. If more people would be like him, /mu/ would be a much better place.

"she's retarded" case closed

>>71120887
...said the grimeshater...

Lesbian horse mime klara debuck claire boucher transsexual man eccehuomo

>>71119334

Up until Ray of Light she care what people thought of her. If you're old enough you'd remember her "erotica" phase and releasing a book full of nude pictures of herself with other nude people. I was like 5 when erotica was dropped and remember seeing the video late night on much music and wanting to hit that pussy like a truck.

>>71121003

She didn't care*

>>71119122
>>71119471
>>71119540
>>71119558
>>71119788
>>71119942
>>71120109
>>71120156
>>71120190
See >>71120874
This is why people like Grimes hate the news media so much. Because they do this sort of shit to people all the time.

>>71121039
but grimes herself said madonna sucked ass now.
face it grimes was in the wrong
like the time she got mad at sophie. she even called contracts "slavery"
she makes good music but is a dumb dumb outside of that.

>>71119122
/thread

Ariel Pink did nothing wrong.

Oh my fucking lord, I am done with grimes. I tried. I really have. I just don't get the fetishization of her, she makes decent electronic music, just leave it at that. Her fanbase is a fucking petri dish of white knights, and i think it's legitimately the worst part of /mu.

>>71121081
>but grimes herself said madonna sucked ass now.
>reading comprehension
Go reread >>71120874 and pay special attention to the words NATURE and DIRECTION...

>>71121151
read it and my opinion stay the same. grimes needs to apologize publically

>>71121081
>she makes good music but is a dumb dumb outside of that.
She's way way smarter than you think she is. Grimes played her cards right most of the time. People like her not only because of her music but also because she's so genuine. Would you prefer her to be dull like Taylor Swift?

>>71121131
see
>>71120874
Ariel Pink may have been baited into making his moronic "stupid and retarded" comment, but he is still the one who made it without thought for how the media would undoubtedly spin it.

>>71121234
i'd prefer to be like sufjan stevens but i can't have everything in life.

>>71120874
>>This is what Grimes was commenting on in her tweet (see pic related.) The sort of mindset that sees absolutely nothing wrong with describing Madonna's central career values as 'gyrating to techno music while pretending to be a 20-year-old'
Those ARE Madonna's central career values now. She is a formerly really good pop musician who now makes shit music. She's a has-been. A wash-up. End of story. It has nothing to do with her being a woman. There are plenty of male has-been musicians who act the same way.

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>>71121141
preeeetty much

>>71121179
She never disagreed with Ariel Pink about Madonna no longer being good. Your opinion isn't based on actual information.

>>71121141
>she makes decent electronic music
But you're wrong. Many other people see beyond her catchy tunes a tremendous artist. Just a decent artist wouldn't get so much recognition from listeners, critics and even other artists. If you know your electronic music you should recognize that she's a really gifted singer, songwriter and producer.

>I am done with grimes
I'm sure she can't sleep at night knowing this. Yeah, sure...

>>71120874

No. It was more about her music.

“Interscope are calling me to help write Madonna’s record. They need something edgy. They need songwriting. She can’t just have her Avicii, her producers or whatever, come up with a new techno jam for her to gyrate to and pretend that she’s 20 years old. They actually need songs. I’m partly responsible for that return-to-values thing.”

…

“I guess it’s called ‘throwback,’ but the first record was so good because of the songs. It’s been a downward slide [since] … ‘Ray of Light’ is not cool. And all the other stuff she’s done after that, it’s not like it matters. It really shows a drain of values. People need more substance in their mac-and-cheese. People need more sugar or something.”

…

“It’s not because of her age. It’s because of the things that she thinks she needs to do to stay in her narcissistic domination of the world. Which is totally hers to have. But it’s about not just being a yes person. I’m sure Interscope signed her like, ‘Okay, the last record didn’t do so well. We gotta do something about this. We’re gonna get all new songwriters together and we’re gonna try to come up with this thing. ‘Cause she needs help with this.’ And she’s happy to let them do that for her.”

>>71121254
How is it Sufjan Stevens?

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>>71121255
>She's a has-been. A wash-up. End of story.
She really milked a lot out of it while she was at the top though

>>71121303
You're missing the point. Let me make a revision to my first sentence. I am done with Grimes' FANBASE. Any and all discussion of Grimes and her fanbase lead to people like you defending her with tooth and nail, which is the point of my comment was. I never said she was shit, or her music was, I'm just confused at the army of neckbeards defending her on internet music boards as if they know her personally.

>>71121319
Madonna did a ton of money and got a lot of fame. Why does she refuse to retire? Is she so egoistical and greedy?

>>71121419
this
grimes makes good music. shit fans on here

>>71121419
>I never said she was shit, or her music was,
You said it's just decent electronic music and then wondered what all the fuss was about. I explained to you that her music is way more than decent.
>defending her on internet music boards as if they know her personally.
Some people like to defend her because she's insulted all the time by this vile board. And let's face it, it's quite entertaining to meta troll the trolls. Also don't underestimate the emotional connection to her music. You would defend your taste in music, right?

>>71121477
Why do you think her fans are shit? Because they behave like any fans of a cult artist? Because they shut your mouth immediately? Why?

>>71121255
>Those ARE Madonna's central career values now.
Finish reading the sentence I wrote:
>...WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY claiming to be gunning for a job as her next producer.
His original comments weren't made in the context of criticizing the central values of Madonna's career. They were made in the context of affirming what they rightfully should be in his opinion (notice how he even used the phrase "return-to-values" to describe his potential role in all this.)

How much more delusionally misogynistic can you get than thinking that saying something like this about someone to whom you mean well would be an okay thing?

>>71121316
>No. It was more about her music.
Not according to Ariel Pink. In reference to the content of the article that you are currently quoting:
>“I was only repeating what Interscope told me about why they needed me. They’re not my opinions. It’s clickbait journalism.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/nov/15/ariel-pink-pom-pom-4ad

>>71121419
>I am done with Grimes' FANBASE.
>making gross generalizations
All barrels have bad apples desu. Some of us are awesome people, and others are complete tools. Just like with any other loyal fan base. Learn to live with it.

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>>71121725
>Some of us are awesome people
LOL good joke

>>71121757
>anon is serious
>LOL good joke
>expecting to be taken seriously

>>71121725
in your opinion who are the tools

>>71122263
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_%28band%29

>>71122360
is this band grimes approved?

>>71122381
yeah actually

>>71122520
where are the proofs?

>>71122537
http://www.stereogum.com/1857227/grimes-writes-about-5-albums-that-changed-her-life/news/

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>>71122381
Ya

>tfw Grimes shaved away newcomer Pitchfork Before Today Ariel fans who don't even listen to The Doldrums and haven't heard the original Beverly Kills

Thanks Claire!

>>71122263
The ones who are obnoxious and uptight about things.

Which in-coincidentally would also include around 90% of the general user base of this board/website. There is a very good reason why /mu has the God-awful reputation that it does.

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>>71121573
Jesus Christ I cannot stand you waifufaggots.

OH LOOK AT ME I LIKE A FEMALE ARTIST LOOK AT ME I'M NOT MISOGYNISTIC NOPE SEE YOU'RE MISCONTEXTUALIZING IT WOW MISOGYNIST

Fuck off

Reread your own damn thing you massive faggot

He's clearly saying that's where she's at and the reason he's being brought in, what he's trying to do, is to take her OUT of that and return to something of substance. He isn't even criticizing her career, really.

This is all made up. This is why people hate the news media. This is why people are annoyed with fucking idiots like Grimes opening their mouth and making strong, socially damning statements about things they don't know anything about. This is why this whole board is sick of you people.

Ariel Pink is more homophobic than Migos, Wacka Flacka Flame and DMX combined. He must be stopped. Its not funnny anymore

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>>71122825
Fucking hell, take your pills, idiot.

>>71122825
>This is why this whole board is sick of you people.
Let's clear things up: a vile, moronic, memetic board is angry at the fans of a mild manered thin Canadian girl? LMFAO! How does it feel to be trolled so hard, dipshit?

>>71119122
This. It's not that she's pretending to be a general 20 year old, but that she's clinging to her old image and earlier career rather than developing either as an artist or a person.

>>71119427
>that
>an apology

That's passive-aggressive as fuck, my dude

>>71120912
a site just as bad as Twitter and Reddit combined

don't deny it

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grimes has always been a little dumb

>tfw wasn't born an udisgusting worthless transsexual like Grimes is

there is a god

>>71122876
>u crzy
So obnoxious

you faggots are so obnoxious

>>71123251
shes not wrong

>>71123251
>make amazing music
>get noticed by the industry
>ALL OF A SUDDEN YOUR MUSIC IS SHIT QUALITY
>TOTALLY DIFFERENT SUBJECT MATTER
>TOTALLY DIFFERENT SOUND
>"hmm gee I wonder why this band sucks now? Fukken sellouts"
>AYCKCHUALLY "SELL-OUT" IS A PROBLEMATIC TERM INVITED BY WHITE BIGOTS WHO ROMANTICIZE POVERTY
shut. the. fuck. up. you. brainwashed. cunt.

>>71123251
she's right, you're dumb. fact.

>>71123395
no

She is in no way right at all

You're just a stan

>>71123317
>he still didn't take the pills
U mad, asshole?

>>71123409
>get called obnoxious
>double down
Ayy

>>71123406
she's right. you just hate her and anything she says.

>>71123251
Bless her pointy little head...

>>71123291
>mad idiot trying to find the ugliest insults because he hates grims so much

>there is a god
you need jesus, asshole.

>>71123366
you're a brainwashed imbecile. a lost cause.

>>71123437
How is she right you dumb retarded shitty faggot

People sell out all the fucking time and make shit music in styles they don't even understand for money because it's popular. The music they make is often terrible and dishonest and it's obvious what the problem is. That is not respectable. They are whores that should be mocked. Sorry faggot.

>DE WHYT MAN ISS SHIT THO
I'm fuckin yawning get a new hobby

>>71123509
BRRRRAAAAAAPPPPPPPP

and you're an anus

>>71123525
are you unironically calling grimes a sellout?

lmao read some early (pre visions, some are pre-halfaxa) interviews that detail her aspirations. she always wanted to make art angels or something like it.

>>71122825
>He's clearly saying that's where she's at and the reason he's being brought in
...is to provide "something edgy". "Actual songs" that she can "gyrate to and pretend that she’s 20 years old" like a moron as she continues to pursue her "narcissistic domination of the world." That is how his comments read: that the above quotes form a valid, POSITIVE assessment of what he thinks her act amounts to.

Again, if he was saying any of this as a criticism of what her act is, then fine. But he wasn't. According to him, the only part of this that needs addressing is the background music - which he, of course, is uniquely suited to provide. The whole thing is both a delusional and misogynistic.

>>71123251
>proving the opposite of your point
But anon, she's right.

>>71123570
>are you unironically calling grimes a sellout?
Can you FUCKING read?

I am not even talking about this stupid cunt beyond the retarded thing she said about how "UMMMM "SELLING OUT" ISNT A BAD THING AYCKCHUALLY IT'S JUST WHITE MEN WHO SAY IT'S EVEN A THING ANYWAY"

That is such a retarded thing to say for one (because selling out exists), and why drag identity politics into it? For you tumblr cunt fans? If you don't think there haven't been TEN MILLION NIGGAS yelling at various rappers for selling out since the fucking inception of rap well then I guess you live in a bubble of white people.

>>71123525
>How is she right
Believe it or not, us professional musicians have mouths to feed and bills to pay - just like anyone else. Dead people can't make art.

>>71123628
>if we all say she's right, she's right
This is how cults are born

>>71123692
>have music on a label
>make album
>get paid to make music
No problem there
>bigger label comes around
>offers you millions as long as you give over creative control
>"hurrr ok I don't actually care about my art anyway"
>make objective shit
>fans complain they sold out
>Grimes: "PROBLEMATIC WHYTES!!!!!"
Nigga shut up

>>71123669
>IT'S JUST WHITE MEN WHO SAY IT'S EVEN A THING ANYWAY"
>reading comprehension
She didn't say that. She actually said quite the opposite, in fact.

>>71123692
then how do musician that never sold out do well? take Ween for an example, never sold out in any way but still made enough money to make a good living

>>71123748
>only rich white men use "selling out" as an attack
In what universe is this true? Do you live on earth?

>>71123752
Every artist (musician, painter, whatever) who is financially successful in the pursuit of their art is a sellout, by definition. The only question is who they are more of a sell-out to: end-consumers (eg. fans) or functional intermediaries (eg. record companies) and whether they are honest about how where that balance lies.

>>71123909
not true btw

>>71123909
>Every artist (musician, painter, whatever) who is financially successful in the pursuit of their art is a sellout, by definition

Since you seem unaware of the correct difinition

>Sellout
>someone who does something that does not agree with that person's beliefs or values especially in order to make money

>>71123805
>>only rich white men use "selling out" as an attack
>In what universe is this true?
Yours, apparently, since this quote is originial to your post ITT.

>>71123960
"Most people I know who use it as an attack are rich, white, and male." - Grimes

You're a dishonest shit. Again, I ask, what is the fucking point of dragging identity politics into something that LITERALLY EVERYONE DOES AND IS IN NO WAY UNIQUE TO "MUH WHYT MAN"

Just don't even bother. You're a faggot. I know. Keep sucking grimes greasy dick.

>>71123909
>when you redefine words to win the argument
Not so fast, Anita.

>>71124073
>"Most people I know
>MOST
>JUST people known by Grimes
Like I said - no one said all, except for you. Quit inventing things to get angry about.

do yall rly care about this shit are yall 10 or sth

>>71124311
I'm sorry, but I'm tired of seeing social justice bullshit everywhere I go. Literally every hobby, article, award show, and social media platform is swarming with faggots complaining about white men. You LITERALLY can't escape it. So I'm just gonna complain back. I'm tired of your brainwashed cult and its non-problems and boogeymen. Fuck you, deal with it.

>>71123946
>>71124097
All artists put little pieces of themselves into every work of art they create, and there is no form of earthly money that can truly compensate for that type of exchange. Therefore any artist who manages to financially profit (no matter how small) from the sale of their own art is a sellout - by definition.

>>71124566
>I'm sorry, but I'm tired of seeing social justice bullshit everywhere I go.
Then why do you go around inserting more of it everywhere you go? It's a self-fulfilling prophecy desu.

>>71119427
>Fact
do you ever get tired of defending grimes on a japanese anime website?

>>71119122
>Ariel wouldn't be saying that if Madonna were a man
madonna wouldn't be pretending to be 20 if she was a man.

has the grimer done the honorable thing and offed herself yet

>>71123323
she's saying that money has no influence
you must be a conservacuck

>>71124645
>why don't you let dumb shit slide
Because when you see a cancer you excise it before it grows. People need to know that hating on people and generalizing them for their skin color is faggot shit. What a concept! I know, I'm a real revolutionary. I don't care what your reasoning for justifying massive stereotypes is. You're wrong and I'll fight you til I'm cold in the ground.

Or I guess I could stay quiet and let the unchecked SJW menace publish more articles about how whitey needs to die but I did that for the past few years and it seems like it only got worse so...

Now I yell on the internet :)

>>71124764
she's saying that popularity doesnt make something bad and you're a fool for hurling it at everything that garners more than 200 views on youtube.

>>71124621
NO

You're not going to get away with this nuspeak maze of reasoning. I know what I mean by selling out and I disagree that all people are sellouts if they make money. You're a retard and you're just trying to redefine words to make grimes look less stupid. We all know what you're doing and it isnt working at all.

No one agrees with you.

>>71124859
>I disagree that all people [who make authentic art] are sellouts if they make money.
You can disagree with reality all you want.

>>71124621
The term "sellout" in discussion refers to the betrayal of your own values and beliefs, in exchange for cash - it's not about what you're talking about.

There are other forms of selling yourself, but that's unrelated.

>>71123323
>>71123395
>>71123628
holy FUCK anons. how can you all be so dumb? grimes is not infallible and that post is a completely bullshit non sequitur.

calling someone a sellout has nothing to do with romanticizing poverty. that's like saying condemning prostitution is offensive because it's romanticizing poverty.

when you call someone a sellout you're critiquing that person for compromising their artistic integrity in exchange for money.

it has nothing to do with the money that they're making. the problem is that they're making shitty corporate "art"

>>71124929
actually no anon, you're just a dumbass who doesn't understand context. she's specifically addressing hipsters who continuously call her a sell out because she's not making moody electro witch synth folk pop. who never wanted their precious waifu to be anything more than an obscure nobody pitchfork darling.

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>>71124721
She would, and there are plenty of men who do this.

>>71124848
my understanding of the word sellout is describing someone whose let money influence their art negatively (or at least alternatively to their original intent)

So yes, she's saying that it's offensive to imply someone has been influenced by money, which is what corrupt politicians have said since forever

>>71123525
you stupid fuck, grimes always loved pop music. in 20fucking11 when she was beloved by the hipsters, she said that her fave artists are rihanna, prince and gang gang dance.

she's right and you're fucking wrong. w r o n g.

>>71124986
this post didn't refute anything that i said

>>71124986
jokes on them, she was never good to begin with

>>71123576
That is what her act amounts to and it shouldn't be a problem. There are plenty of acts, male and female, that are just this and always have been. And there's nothing really wrong with that.

>>71125009
no she's saying you're stupid for calling anything more popular than a shitty diy warehouse show selling out. which people have continuously done to her since she started grimes.

you can romanticize being an underground artist all you want, but it actually kind of fucking sucks and the standard of living is attrocious and artists should want to get out of that as soon as possible and the rich hipster dipshits who whine and cry about it are pieces of shit.

>>71118606
shes so fucking ugly i want to cry

>>71123739
>make objective shit
wtf are you talking about? art angels was great. your whole point failed like a castle of cards.

>>71124073
you're a complete moron

>>71125186
She's literally just saying that the term "sellout" is offensive point blank in that tweet, unless it's part of a longer tirade I'm not aware of, and the term "sellout" has never implied "I want this artist to go back to being poor."

>>71125186
nah, you're projecting and not actually talking about what a sellout is, your definition is wrong or you're intentionally changing goal posts

Grimes sucks either way, so it doesn't matter to me whether she sells out or not

>>71119307
kinda insane how she still puts on a better show compared to pop singers 20-30 years younger than her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzG_3UJ-LvU

>>71125357
>>71125375
its been an ongoing thing, why bother posting in a grimes thread if you arent aware of the drama surrounding the album in question?

u r missing key context and that leads to uninformed posting which is a special kind of shitposting!

>>71124784
>I don't care what your reasoning for justifying massive stereotypes is.
No one is attempting to justify massive stereotypes ITT except for you in reference to the term SJW - which is actually pretty hilarious given that that is, in fact, what you are proclaiming yourself to be.

>>71125408
>it's an ongoing thing
of what, people calling her sold out? then my point still stands, that she's taking offence at being told money influences her sound

>people are still arguing about this sellout bullshit

this should have been the end of the discussion>>71124929

>>71125408
"The people who use this term are usually (blank)" doesn't make for a compelling argument regardless

>>71124927
>The term "sellout" in [purely ideological] discussion refers to the betrayal of your own values and beliefs, in exchange for cash
The term "sellout" in discussion relating to the creation and sale of art refers to this >>71123909 and this
>>71124621

Grimes is a fucking autistic babyfaced fuck that you NEETs get off on. Now shut the fuck up and close this thread.

>>71125579
This is not an open-ended discussion about creation and sale of art, we're talking about Grimes complaining about people who accuse others of being "sellouts", which is a term widely used with the specific definition I pointed out.

I've never actually seen anyone being called a "sellout" for just selling art. It's just not a common application for the term. Maybe she was referring to what you're saying, but I doubt it.

I don't disagree that it's a purely ideological criticism, though.

>>71124361
You must be 10 judging by that atrocious spelling. You must be over 18 to post here.

>>71124696
Not at all. It's my hobby. Deal wit' it.

>>71124927
And why this sellout concept is mentioned in a Grimesthread? She did quirky electropop before, she does quirky electropop now, what the fuck is the problem? It's not like she's the next Taylor Swift... She's still weird.

>>71125037
>That is what her act amounts to and it shouldn't be a problem.
Except for someone purportedly in the running for a job working as an integral part of such an act, who happens to be talking - on the record - with a member of the press. What kind of a delusional mind thinks that publicly referring to a potential employer as a world dominating narcissist is a normal kind of thing to do?

>>71125227
Go ahead. Even boys have to cry some time.

>>71124929
See >>71126044

>>71125025
The joke's on you, actually. She was great, is great and will be great. I dare you to refute this.

>>71125465
>that she's taking offence at being told money [NEGATIVELY] influences her sound
Money is just a resource. People can do good or bad things with it. Assuming that having money is inherently bad is what she is taken issue with.

>>71125375
>Grimes sucks either way, so it doesn't matter to me whether she sells out or not
Then why are you wasting time ITT more exactly?

>>71121319
She got a big amount

>>71126082
i bet he doesn't cry as much as you

>>71126176
>assuming that having money is inherently bad
I think having a certain amount of money relative to others is inherently bad, or at least reflects poorly on the superstructure of society

>>71126131
not with a voice like hers

>>71126218
I wouldn't desu.

>>71119404
You know 4 color pens? Pen 15 has the full chromatic circle.
It's really thic and if you suck it you get a rainbow tongue that shows how much of a faggot (or lady faggot) you are.

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>by Andy Beta
you can say that again

>>71126261
>not with a voice like hers
There's nothing wrong with her unique voice. Lots of people like her voice, so...

:)

is Grimes just what happens when leftist beliefs go too far? I know the retarded and horribly ugly should be integrated into society somehow but ffs she shouldn't leave the house without a brown paper bag over her head, what if you were eating and Grimes showed up you'd lose a perfectly good meal

>>71126261
>I think having a certain amount of money relative to others is inherently bad,
Anthropomorphisizing (assigning subjectively good/bad traits) to things like money makes no sense desu. Money is nothing more than a dumb tool. It can't be inherently bad. Neither can it be inherently good. Only independently functioning people can be those things.

>>71118645
Pitchfork rating may be higher but his sales are lower as his next album will not sell as well

people pretend to hate her as an artist when they already hate her as a person anyway, i just see a huge contradiction in that

>>71126460
>money is a dumb tool
money in our society is power, and too much power is never a good thing

>>71126425
>retard

>>71126677
you got mad

>>71126613
Yes, but how much is too much?
The answer to that is subjective, meaning that it depends on the person. Money is a thing. Power is a thing. The rest is about people.

mira (grimes' close friend) browses /lit/ semi-often apparently

do you think she pops into /mu/ ever to laugh at the psychopath playpen that is /grimes/?

>>71126915
get the fuck off my board

>>71126951
are you mira

>>71126044
>>71126098
i was just trying to say that tweet is stupid

GRIMES WILL NOT DIVIDE US

>>71128892
lmao

>>71119404
It's the greatest insult for 12 year olds.

>>71119404
it's a grimes snack, she eats a pen 15 every day

>>71118606
YAS QUEEN SLAAAAY

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>>71118606
Hi, I'm looking for /grimes/. Should I stay here?

>>71129885
where ever, just don't leave me

>>71129885
no it's been moved to >>>/trash/ along with all other discussion of dumpsterbitch waifus

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>>71130138
lame comment fooool

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i hope our grimey is sleeping well

>>71130276
I hope her AIDS kills her in her sleep

>>71130138
>it's been moved to >>>/trash/ along
then why no grimes thread there? checkmate, autist!

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>>71130283
she has no aids, she is pure

>>71130306
i got aids from just looking at her

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>>71130351
that can only mean you already had them

>>71130384
not even trying to be mean she legit got AIDS from sucking a nigger cock back when she was a degenerate junkie srry anon your shitfu doesnt have much longer to live

>>71130421
>shitposting
ok

>>71124721
Madonna wouldn't be famous if she were a man. Her whole career was built on sex and controversial topics.

>>71121545
Because this comment seems desperate yet gloating

>>71123395
i'm right, you're dumb. opinion.

>>71126425
this post sucks

>>71119334
>i always feel like madonna wanted to be a huge rolemodel but never achieved that status like beyonce or tswift has
i guess you weren't around in the '80s then

>>71118606
grimes makes my dick hard

What has this board become? A celebrity gossip forum? And of course this thread is going to hit bump limit. It's pathetic really.

here is your reply

>>71131591
>A celebrity gossip forum
it's always been like that, newfriend

>>71120874
>Also ray of light is a masterpiece

W E W
E
W

>>71130447
that's not me, there's just some annoying peephole on here

>>71124737
she's keeping herself alive

>>71131694
It really is, you contrarian.

>>71119237
this is not how the human psyche works

idk why people find this so hard to understand. humans get accustomed to their situation very quickly. no-one wants to spend their days just doing nothing. realistically, a past-it multimillionaire celebrity who's "made it" and has endless mansions etc. but no day-to-day purpose likely has similar satisfaction levels to an unemployed drug addict. in fact the celebrity is almost definitely also a drug addict