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Antonio Soler - Fandango (Scott Ross)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vj1UPzlrTc

My favorite harpsichord piece is teh Goldberg Variations

Brandenburg 5 for the godly cadenza

None, I can't stand the timbre of a harpsichord. Almost everything is better on the piano (except some Bach)

>>71106719
I think it has a really pretty sound.

you know Brahms' 2nd piano concerto is really fucking boring

Schumann in his ''Advice to Young Musicians'' says

>It has been thought that a perfect musician must be able to see, in his mind's eye, any new, and even complicated, piece of orchestral music as if in full score lying before him! This is indeed the greatest triumph of musical intellect that can be imagined.

Is this one of those things that you can do only if you practice since you were 3? Can an adult possibly learn to be such a good transcriber?
As soon as I've read that I immediatly had the impression that I am currently experiencing music at a lower level than people like Schumann. How much practice and time does it take to reach that level of musical literacy? And do I have to play an instrument to do so?

He also says

>As you grow up, become more intimate with scores (or partitions) than with virtuosi.

Does he literally mean that he can understand music just by looking at scores? To what extent can this be applied? Can trained composers read something as complex as a Mahler symphony and hear EVERYTHING that is happening (or at least imagining it in a correct way)? Can this be trained too?

>>71107076
all I know is that my ear is dogshit yet somehow I did well in my aural skills classes

I can't stop popping boners for fugues what do I do

>>71107295
lear how to compose them and become the next Bach
You only need 50 years of intensive training

>>71107295
listen to chopin's fugue on repeat until you cringe upon hearing every voice drop out except for one in the development section of a sonata form

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Gonna recommend the Orford String Quartet, never heard of them before but their playing easily ranks among the elite and is a lot more exciting than the usual academic stuff. Tully Potter called them "among the most impressive Beethoven ensembles" and so far I'd agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtEaHZLFAMs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqGDCOWLXog&list=PL-vevC6nQlZxvOwt_nS4L32WrqsBvfW0r

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHu4Jbw6vho&list=PL32JVJNSFV7HPbgPCGp-m7B-3l4MJz-sd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcO_ghgrigE&list=PL2wOlOHt7njkT1SWft_pDN3yjZpwtS2z1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RPzn5GQeKA&list=PLpHgatCouXCnR8j5P7CzXZyL2RNyoHXJR

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLW5xRTSu2BWkEOnJ3m_OtGTyyPDQXZyxS

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLah9x4Sm4HEUWQXV5j_48tQLxuBVnULsU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey0FwwQZVRs&list=PLnPHNpRh9AXnTuJhgOrkbSZ21egKp0zdv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NuOEWyLOQI&list=PLY4uVXNsPqnRXvIlVbDjYVOtGvcHlaEL7

>>71107453
>this video is not available
>for every video
What

>>71107483
They all work for me. What country are you in?

>>71107547
Netherlands, but I'm not getting a "blocked in your country" message. It simply says "this video is unavailable"

>>71107453
>>71107483

I can testify this site is legit, although all the files have a password: pippo9

https://classicalpippo9.com/2016/11/22/beethoven-string-quartets-orford-string-quartet-box-set-8cds/

>>71107076
Whether or not it's possible, it's definitely not something you develop even within 10 years of training. I'd say start simple and try to push yourself as far as you can, and then see for yourself whether it really is possible or if he was just boosting his ego.

>>71107645
The Romantics always had big egos

>>71107645
Well, Schuman wrote those advices in his early 30s, and he started studying intensivey composition, theory and doing ear training only in his early teenagehood, so it's fair to assume that he developed those skills in about 10 years (less than that actually, since he was already composing when he was 22 without being able to play most of his compositions).

He had a few composition lessons in his teenagehood, but his training was anything but fomal. Since he always composed with only pen and paper it is fair to assume that he actually had mastered those abilities in those years.

>>71107219
>tfw absolute pitch

>>71107076
>Is this one of those things that you can do only if you practice since you were 3? Can an adult possibly learn to be such a good transcriber?
No, some are born with it. You either hear original music in your head or you dont. It cant be taught.

>Does he literally mean that he can understand music just by looking at scores? To what extent can this be applied? Can trained composers read something as complex as a Mahler symphony and hear EVERYTHING that is happening (or at least imagining it in a correct way)? Can this be trained too?
Yes, you can get a lot from score study. After some practice and familiarity with the piece you can "imagine" what a score will sound like. Not with 100% accuracy, but you can get the gist of what it will be like.

I always found score study is best done while listening to the music. Listen as you follow along. Pause when you come to parts that you like and look at them in the score in more detail.

Some conductors say that silently reading through a score is the purest way to experience music. I disagree.

>>71107308
>50 years
Only really takes a couple of months to learn how to write fugues. Already knowing counterpoint helps

>>71105950
a lot of Saint-Georges Violin concertos have nice harpsichord accompanyment

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What music is playing in the background of this website?

http://www.aviation-history.com/messerschmitt/bf109.html

Sounds like Wagner or Mahler or Strauss, I swear I probably already know it.

>>71108661
tannhauser

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>>71108715
cheers m8

>>71108784
It's one of my favorite operas

Mahler should have composed an opera

What are some similar pieces to Czardas?

>>71109189
There's always Csardas

Die Kunst der Fuge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qSnQ-CC8l8

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>>71108424
>No, some are born with it. You either hear original music in your head or you dont. It cant be taught.

I can easily imagine new music. Every night before going to sleep I'll just imagine original music, usually string quartets and piano pieces, until I get asleep.
Still, this wasn't the skill I was questioning. I was asking if learning how to read and imagine scores in your adulthood is possible, and how much work does it take to get to a point where you can read comfortably complex scores (such as Mahler symphonies).

>Not with 100% accuracy, but you can get the gist of what it will be like.
Again, how much practice does it take to acquire that degree of musical literacy?
Also you're saying that you can't imagine it with 100% accuracy: what about people who write symphonies? Do they just write an approximation of what they want to hear and then balance it with a real orchestra?
I'm asking it for 2 reasons:
1) I've got lots of music in my head, and I'd love to be able to transcribe it. The one thing that I hate about my current imagination is that it is not grounded in any notion, therefore it is very poorly structured. It's just a costant succession of different musical ideas. This difference is not immediate, I'll usually start thinking about a theme, keep variating it and eventually I'll end up in a completely different place. I feel that if I could place those notes on a mental score I could organize everything way more clearly.
2) I listen to lots of classical music, yet I still can't read scores and I don't know what kind of work does it take to be abl to do so. Also I feel it's a waste, since I'm 100% sure that 99% of the composers I'm currently listening to envisioned their music not only as emotive expression but also theoretic expression. I can't even imagine how many hidden patterns, themes and modulation I miss everytime I listen to Beethoven.

>>71109383
>not posting the best contrapunctus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfNwi5Cl6JA

>>71108830
he did, it's called Wozzeck

>>71109711
>you can't imagine it with 100% accuracy: what about people who write symphonies?
Studying a score is different to writing a symphony. Even hearing something in your head, its unlikely you'll hear everything with 100% accuracy, you hear a general idea of what it should sound like, and then you get to work attempting to create something as close as possible on the page. After 10 years of practice you get pretty good at transcribing what's in your head.

Its just one way of working, usually composers generate ideas, either by imagining something or improvising (or if you're Ferneyhough - coming up with some crazy premise then generating some rhythms with a computer program)
Once the ideas are generated, you begin the work of turning them into a coherent piece, this is the largest part of the process. Composition is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration. If you dont put countless hours into a piece its probably not going to be any good. Even composers who hear what a symphony should sound like in their head will spend weeks laboring over the score, making it better and better. The "hearing it in your head" is usually only the starting point for a bunch of hard work.

Composers like Taneyev don't begin writing a piece until they've tried out all the contrapuntal possibilities with all their thematic material - a long process. For him the pre-work is sometimes a larger part of the writing than the actual writing, but once he does get around to writing the piece he knows all his melodic material will perfectly fit with each other, and he doesn't usually have a lot of transitional material filling in space.

>>71109813
I'd say Zemlinsky, Schreker, D'Albert or Szymanowski are closer to what a Mahlarian opera might be than Berg.

>>71107316
This.

>>71107616
same for me.

>>71108424
>Only really takes a couple of months to learn how to write fugues. Already knowing counterpoint helps

It takes only 2 months to learn how to write uninteresting fugues, but to master them and to become the next Bach you really have to devote your entire life to the practice.

post classical music written by amateurs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi9vO5osN2c

>>71110011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsvpFU7KY7E

unironically

>>71110011
inb4 someone posts something from a famous composer

>>71110028
>>71110029
lmao damn

>>71110039
Mussorgsky was an actual amateur, he had no formal education thorough his life (still, I'm not trying to downplay him, he still had a prodigious immagination).

>>71110028
post Ives then

>>71110057
"It is easy enough to correct Mussorgsky's irregularities. The only trouble is that when this is done, the character and originality of the music are done away with, and the composer's individuality vanishes."
He wasn't ignorant, just ahead of his time. he should've belonged to impressionists

>>71105950
Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w433wbM14Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jem-LgKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MU1T6uDXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s22fNJdICQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an77qFp0Y9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BSfYz4_Gbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xweAry37KUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOVF-33A9HI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqSAGwa49MM

>>71110171
it it even possible to find Petzold scores?
all I have is an incomplete suite in G

>>71110190
http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Pezold,_Christian

>>71110209
they have that suite in G without a prelude

Does anyone have Glenn Gould's articles on why The Beatles suck?

>>71110234
he didn't sat they 'suck'

>>71110234
https://books.google.cl/books?id=dKCdsOq3X4sC&pg=PA158&lpg=PA158&dq=conversations+with+glenn+gould&source=bl&ots=H3RjJSWiV7&sig=yHZG9IBEp_bqp84C7ZNiXpSFtvs&hl=es-419&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=beatles&f=false

>>71107453

Wow, that's the clearest Grosse Fuge I've ever heard. I don't know if it knocks off my favorite from the Smetana Quartet, but that was way stronger than I was expecting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giX9n22kdg8

There's barely any reference to the Orford Quartet online. How come?

>>71110246
They do suck though

>>71110386
>but what about the Beatles' lyrics, which seem to me really special?
LMAO

Has Canada ever produced a good composer?

>>71110865
Gould

>>71110865
The only Canadian composer I could name is Samuel Andreyev

>>71110865
claude vivier

What's your favorite Wagner recording?

>>71111419
furtwangler tristan

How to get my father into high test? Out of Mahler's 5th, the only movement that he liked was the Adagietto.

>>71111797
shut the fuck up

>>71111807
Petzold.

>>71111797
Listen to Mozart exclusively for an entire decade, only the highest of test can achieve this great goal

>>71111838
>tfw to smart to listen to music except for Mozart's 200 cd box set

Is it true that German classical music is actually a mixture of other classical traditions and not actually original at all?

>>71113221
German, French and Italian music all have traditions that extend as far back as the middle ages.

Very low energy recently /classical/. Sad!

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>program music cucks

>>71113221
not true, all major European nations had their schools of music, the French, the Italians, the Germans, the Spanish, the Dutch, the Balkan peoples, the eastern Europe, etc.

Why is Schönberg so underrated bros?

>>71115069
because everyone thinks of him as the plink plink plink plonk dooooo de doooo dooo edgy atonal composer

>>71115069
because Stravinsky appeared around the same time, had gotten all the fame and money and became the number one composer.

>>71115169
Shosty was more popular than Stravinsky desu

>>71115092
>>71115169
Is he only second to Mozart in terms of underrated-ness?
>Hated by people new into classical because he's a controversial figure, just like Mozart
>Widely misunderstood by his mainstream fanbase, just like Mozart

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>>71115218
>Shosty was more popular than Stravinsky desu
unfortunately he lived in the ussr so that didn't mean anything
plus I'm not sure about more popular, maybe as popular as Stravinsky.

Thoughts on Borodin?

so up until now i've only been into electronic music, pop, metal, hip hop etc.
I never paid attention to classical or had an introduction to it
but now i'm listening to random pieces and really enjoying it

so, just wondering if you had any recommendations for a complete beginner to the genre?

also i used to play guitar as a kid but stopped when i reached my mid teens
i've been looking into all the classical instruments, and I really like the look and sound of the cello the most
is it too late to start learning at 20, and do you know where could i buy or try out one as a total beginner, or if there is any particular variety / wood type i should choose?

>>71115947
one of my favorites

>>71116415
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpbdODn75mk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGNObWgU2Qw

>>71116415
Never too late, m8 (unless you want to play professionally). Search about music stores in your city. http://www.celloonline.com/cellobasics.htm

Bethooven, Mozart and Bach are staple.
Might as well listen to a lot of pieces which contain Cello too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e52IMaE-3As
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHuQPlhpyc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0nKJoZY64A

>>71115092
Post some of his non-

>plink plink plink plonk dooooo de doooo dooo edgy

music

>>71116669
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGQLXRTl3Z0

>>71116862
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-pVz2LTakM

>>71110865
christos hatzis

>>71116415

Like this guy said >>71116669

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbJ33aN63Fs

how can one write such a based sonata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyaMbo6ABUw

>>71117177
replying to myself because goddamn i forgot how good this sonata is

god bless debussy

>>71116862

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcvPcAZj7bg

>>71117408
wtf i love schönberg now

Conductors to avoid? Already know of Karajan and Dudamel.

>>71117686
Copland

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>>71117686
Bernstein
Abbado
Rattle
Michael Tilson Thomas
Giulini
René Jacobs
Szell
Horenstein
Solti

>>71118095
why would you put all of your things down onto the floor of a public bathroom

>>71117686
everyone but mackerras and harnoncourt

>>71118095
Rene jacobs has some nice recordings.

>>71118095
Abbado did nothing wrong

>>71118095
>Szell
>Horenstein
Take it back

>>71118095
Why do you always post dumb whores along with your shit opinions

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>>71105950
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyXjX-IOP6s

Clavier > Harpsichord

>>71121377
>clavier>harpsichord
>not realising a clavier is not an instrument

>>71121642
I meant the Clavichord, sorry

>>71118095
none of them is bad

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXXRsELFMvY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nawz_64cpHo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHHXT8HOyuQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOn-JV4HwYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0H-EAkLr8I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtdZSYXR-00

>>71121665
Fuck off Wim

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Post something so beautiful it will make me cry.

>>71122572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGAEpnUSUEg

Petzold.

recommended Vaughan Williams recordings?

>>71124675
I recommend listening to better composers.

Mondonville
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2jNjb7p4wc

>>71118155
>carpet in a public bathroom

it's a changing room you fucking monkey

>>71119160
>misogynistic AND stupid

not a good look anon

>>71125534
mythsogyny doesn't exist

>>71125559
This is the first I'm hearing of mythsogyny, so I think you may be correct.

>>71125696
it cannot exist in a gynocentric society.

>>71125735
good thing we don't live in a gynocentric society

>>71125827
Incorrect. See the work of Paul Nathanson and Katherine Young if you would like to learn more.

>>71115268
Shostakovich was famous not only in the USSR, but worldwide.

>>71125891
>abortion rights still aren't guaranteed across the board

that won't be necessary

>>71125534
Stop posting ugly whores and I won't have to hurt your feelings

>>71126061
>abortion
>right
ayy lmao

>>71126061
As soon as child support is abolished or child custody is given equally between the sexes, you may have a point (actually you still won't).

>>71126137
It should be our right to kill babies, didn't you know.

Time for an epic derail LOL

>>71126135
>hurt your feelings
jej
don't flatter yourself

>>71126272
Still crying, I see

>>71126214
>killing babies
>abortion

pick one

>>71126317
I don't have to, because they're the same thing.

jesus fuckijng christ the ride never ends

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Let's get back on topic, what're some great not-Gesualdo madrigals?

>>71126384
not those

>>71126384
Gesualdo and Monteverdi are the best.

>>71126384
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tCzdRt6UE

I was having a lesson with my composition teacher, and suddenly a truly great piece of music came to me. I stopped him and started scribbling furiously on a piece of paper, and then I proceeded to show him. He gives a look at it and tell me to go home.
I called him 2 hours later and he told me to find a new composition teacher, and that the fact that I stopped the lesson to compose something was unexcusable.

What the fuck?

>>71126509
>suddenly a truly great piece of music came to me

doubtful

>>71126384
Monteverdi
Strocci

>>71126509
I was having a lesson with my college algebra teacher, and suddenly a truly great proof of the Collatz conjecture came to me. I stopped him and started scribbling furiously on a piece of paper, and then I proceeded to show him. He gives a look at it and tell me to go home.
I called him 2 hours later and he told me to find a new composition teacher, and that the fact that I stopped the lesson to prove something was unexcusable.

What the fuck?

>>71126555
Yeah, I've analyzed it when I came home and it was nothing great. Yet, a composition teacher should understand how sudden ispiration work.

>>71126611
Why don't you just explain that you won't do it again?

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>>71126575
Barbara Strozzi?

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>>71126659
Yea sorry about the brainfart typo.
I think Isabella Leonarda also composed some madrigals.

>>71126651
To be honest, given the nature of these lessons, I should be allowed to compose if ispiration catches me in those moments.

>>71126707
He just think your music sucks and that you're completely hopeless and should stop wasting your time and money but didn't want to tell you directly

>>71126728
If that's true I'll just kill myself :)

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>>71126707
You're a fucking idiot who thinks that he could run before he learns how to walk.
>>71126752
Good idea.

>>71126766
faggot

Thoughts on Turkish composers?

>>71126509
He's right. Stopping a lesson to compose some shit is inexcusable, its also rude. If someone has taken the time to teach you something, you can at least pay attention.

As you get older you will realize inspiration is a dime a dozen, you can always write more music, but knowledge is priceless. With knowledge of how to compose, you can multiply the quality of your mediocre inspiration by a hundredfold.

>>71126707
No. Learn your shit and go home. composition lesson is for learning about composition, not for "lolrandom inspiration - must captuureh"
Grow up

>>71106283
Definitely written for das klavichord

>>71122546
LEAVE WIM WINTERS ALONE!

Play me asleep, /classical/

>>71128605
Listen to anything by Mahluh

>>71128638
Go away.

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Are synthesia videos the greatest crutch ever when it comes to learning piano?
Sheet music is obviously superior in every way to someone who can read it, but super slow and agonising for amateurs (or at least for me it is)

I am new to classical and would like some recs or at least some direction to steer towards.

My favourite recordings thus far are:
>Stravinsky - Le Sacre Du Printemps (New York Philharmonic)
>Rachmaninov - Complete Works For Cello And Piano (Grebanier & Guggenheim)
>Pärt - Tabula Rasa (various, ECM New Series)
>Bartók - Concerto For Orchestra (Chicago Symphony Orchestra)

and I have just grabbed the following from OP on a whim:
>Dvořák - Symphonies Nos. 8 & 9 (Talich, Czech Philharmonic Orchestra)
>Chopin - Nocturnes & Impromptus (Arrau)
>Xenakis - Works for Piano (Takahashi, A.)
>Debussy & Ravel String Quartets (Kodály SQ)
>Debussy - 12 Etudes (Rosen)

Any advice would be much appreciated.

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>>71129168
LISTEN
TO
MOZART

>>71129168
>La Sacre Du Printemps
Call me a pleb, but I'll never understand this piece or why it deserved to get put on the Voyager golden record instead of just about any other classical piece. No wonder the first performance caused a riot

>>71129168
You should dive into the Baroque, especially Bach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSXj48lkFew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSXj48lkFew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBfemDC0nIo

https://www.reddit.com/r/classicalresources/comments/13afh6/composer_index_baroque/

>>71129168
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehbar90jHz8

>>71129312
>unironically linking to reddit
>Bach on harpsichord
Notice the correlation.

>>71129329
Bach wrote his music to be played on harpsichord. I'll link to any useful resources, I don't care about your internet rivalry memes.

>>71129264
It's fucking shit and people here like to circlejerk over it because it's "avant-garde", and they enjoy the hipster status they get from fawning over shittily received trash.
Rebel did something similar for baroque opera to what Stravinsky did and nobody bats an eye since it was extremely well received at the time.

>>71129349
That resource is useless, though, as one would expect from reddit. At least provide one that recommends recordings, e.g. http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Satoru/1001_classical_recordings_you_must_hear_before_you_die__2007_us_edition_/1/

>>71129264
It caused a riot more for the erotic dancing than the music. It was put on the golden record because it was out of copyright. Well because of the Russian revolution the copyright was in dispute so it was put in the public domain. It was put back under copyright only recently.

>>71129381
You are really clueless.

>>71129429
It's a good starting off point to explore from. It doesn't try to push recordings the author likes most. In any case, I think both links are useful, thanks for adding yours.

>>71129534
>i-it's good because of the le gimmicky bs!11! honest!!1
Typical reactionary numale cuck who doesn't know jack shit

>>71129548
filtered

>>71129564
Yeah bury your little empty head in the sand like the scared little coward bitch cuck you are lmao fucking pathetic piece of shit

>>71129621
Man, you're a fucking asshole.

>>71129645
Piss off.

>>71129650
Calm down.

>>71129381
>Sacre du Printemps
>avant-garde
there's absolutely nothing about the piece that was unprecedented or bizarre for its time, the only reason the premiere went up in a riot was because the French are a bunch of pussy faggots about their ballet

it's also one of the most well known classical pieces period so there's no hipster cred to be had for listening to it

try harder

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>>71129760
Holy fuck talk about lack of critical thinking. Just fucking stop.

>>71129778
faggot

>>71129534
>It was put on the golden record because it was out of copyright.
No, it was put on the golden record because its a great piece of music, representative of one aspect of human accomplishment in music in the 20th century.

>>71129760
The harmony was pretty unusual, unresolved intervals all over the place, harsh dissonance far beyond Wagner or Strauss. Also the form is unique: harsh cuts from one idea to another with 0 transitional material. Combine that with the syncopation's odd rhythms, and the barbaric non-ballet way it was originally staged, not to mention the pagan themes, and its no surprise there was some eyebrows raised.

Steve Reich's 4 Organs also caused a riot due to repeating the same chord over and over again so I guess people just have their limits, if you fuck with their expectations too much, they can and will snap.

I think that a lot of contemporary harpsichords sound like shit because both manufacturers and players are trying to make them sound softer. The plucking noise actually gets more annoying the quieter and softer a harpsichord is, and you lose so many overtones that it ends up sounding like a g*itar.

They should sound like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBXO7cNi20k

>>71110011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAcSZ6y0-GI
i love bellman

>>71130027
>That horrible VHS quality.
No harpsichord should ever sound like that.

Harpsichords should sound like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKkm6a6iOAo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeOMM9wJlvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSa97JRVwl8

>>71127900
Eh, you're probably right. I've now done 10 months of strict ear training, and the fact that I can now transcribe everything I think makes me overly enthusiastic.
I'll call my teacher and tell him I'm sorry and that it won't ever happen again.

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>>71118095
>Conductors to avoid
>Michael Tilson Thomas
go fuck yourself

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gKM_oxXGKMs
What symphony comes in at around 32 seconds? It's pissing me off because I know I've heard it before

>>71130781
Obviously Mozart but I'm pretty sure that's the beginning of a concerto, not a symphony
I forget which concerto it is

>>71130379
>harpsichords should sound like they're in a cave

>>71126045
he didn't get money and girls, and there was no life in ussr, this 'fame' was unnatural

btw Stravinsky dated some of the most famous women in the world

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>>71130379
the art of fugue on a harpsichord

>>71132932
>this 'fame' was unnatural
As I said he was famous worldwide, from the US to the USSR. His compositions were studied in conservatories and virtually every critic and composer gave opinions on his works.

>he didn't get money and girls
He lived a luxurious life, and he was essentially a family man. He didn't get to fuck lots of club bimbos, but that doesn't mean that his fame was ''unnatural''.

>btw Stravinsky dated some of the most famous women in the world
Stravinsky was a radically different person when compared to Shostakovich. Always remember that Shosty CHOSE to return in USSR. He truly believed in the communist ideal, and he voluntarly served it for his entire life.
Stravinsky instead identified with the past russian aristocracy, and tried to live his life as a work of art.

I don't see why you should compare their lives, since their ambitions and attitudes were so radically different.

>>71129534

>It caused a riot more for the erotic dancing than the music
It caused a riot in one theater once. Beside that it was immediatly accepted as a masterpiece, quickly becoming one of the most famous pieces of music of the '10s.

It was innovative, but it is not as shocking as modern people think it was.

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>>71133005
>Shosty CHOSE to return in USSR.
he had a choice?

>>71133041
He did starting from the '50s.

>almost every famous Beethoven sonata is in a minor key

Sonata no. 1, 5, 8, 14, 17, 23 and 32 are the most famous sonatas (with also 29, 30 and 31), and they're all in minor keys. Is the minor mode inherently more modern than the major one?

>>71133229
they're more popular because they sound edgier so philistines and classical music poseurs tend to gravitate towards them

anyone that actually plays the piano reasonably well and/or doesn't have shit taste will agree that 21, 29, and 31 are the best ones by a handy margin

in any case on the Wikipedia article for notable piano sonatas only 6 out of the 17 listed Beethoven sonatas are in minor keys so I'd say your assertion is false either way

>>71133060
Prokofiev did the same and regretted it

>>71130220
me too, especially when played on a guitar-like instrument and sung by a folk singer

>>71133425
>only 6 and 17
>not the Pathetique, Moonlight, Appassionata and 32nd
The 5th one is probably the only minor one among the one I've mentioned.

Also

>anyone that actually plays the piano reasonably well and/or doesn't have shit taste will agree that 21, 29, and 31 are the best ones by a handy margin

My favourite ones are the 17th, 28th, 29th and 32nd, I was not implying that those are the best sonatas, I was only saying that they're the ones that resonate the most with modern listeners.

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>>71122546

Serious question: was Leonardo da Vinci a good composer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdB3Sil1CWQ

>>71105950
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDzIVgnHVwE
Rachmaninov 6 Moments Musceaux Opus 16
What exactly are 'Moments Musiceaux'?

>>71133666
I know Michelangelo is considered a great poet, but I didn't know Leonardo da Vinci composed music. Interesting.

>>71133681
>Moments Musicaux
musical moments?

>>71133229

Almost every famous Beethoven sonata is shit.

>>71133756
>being this fucking contrarian

Every person who ever mattered in classical music would consider you as a retard

>>71133666
The painter da Vinci was said to be a musician but none of his works survive

Leonardo Vinci, born almost 200 years later was an opera composer

The piece you linked is from a modern film score composer

>>71133790
not sure about music, but he did invent a couple of instruments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiRAd0bPdXI

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simple four-part writing help pls?

what chords should i use for the two A's? the first part is in F major, but it probably wants to end on a C major since it modulates in the second part

"Stravinsky claimed that the business of art is technique; I do not agree. Nor do I believe that the business of technology is the rule of science - and, with all respect, I wish the good Professor McLuhan, who doesn't believe it either, would say so more often. But I do believe that once introduced into the circuitry of art, the technological presence must be encoded and decoded (no Dolby salesmen need apply) in such a way that its presence is, in every respect, at the service of the spiritual good that will ultimately serve to banish art itself."

I think I love him most when he's at his most Puritannical.

>>71134489

source?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoiXvQhWrKY

I've started listening to Bach almost exclusively now, have I reached the final classical music enlightenment?

>>71135685
Not yet. Now you're just getting accostumed to it, but somewhere in your 70s, after 50 years of listening to his music and studying his scores, you will truly get it.
This applies to every form of high art.

>>71134862
a Glenn Gould essay, "The Grass is always Greener in the Outtakes". "Technique" being a term both encompassing and more general than "technology".

Some other quotes, from "Glenn Gould Interviews Glenn Gould about Glenn Gould":

"Well, I feel that art should be given the chance to phase itself out. I think that we must accept the fact that art is not inevitably benign, that it is potentially destructive. We should analyse the areas where it tends to do least harm, use them as a guideline, and build into art a component that will enable it to preside over its own obsolescence..."

"I've often thought that I'd like to try my hand at being a prisoner... I've never understood the preoccupation with freedom as it's reckoned in the Western world. So far as I can see, freedom of movement usually has to do only with mobility, and freedom of speech most frequently with socially sanctioned verbal aggression, and to be incarcerated would be the perfect test of one's inner mobility and of the strength which would enable one to opt creatively out of the human situation."

"You see, the Western world is consumed with notions of qualification; the threat of nuclear extinction fulfils those notions, and the loss of a dragonfly's wing does not. And until the two phenomena are recognised as one, indivisible, until physical and verbal aggression are seen as simply a flip of the competitive coin, until every aesthetic decision can be equated with a moral correlative, I’ll continue to listen to the Berlin Philharmonic from behind a glass partition."

>>71133787

Even Gould said they suck.

>>71133524
>28
My nigga

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What was your favorite of his madman antics?

>>71118095
szell?? what is the matter with you?

>>71136824
Calling all non-serial composers worthless.
A cliche answer but a goodie.

>>71111419
>What's your favorite Wagner recording?

knappertsbusch - parsifal 1962

i jerk off to face sitting videos

>>71137415
then why did he dislike jean barraqué?

>>71137540
Because Barraqué's piano sonata is better than any of Boulez's probably.

Tartini
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GostwgGP54E

>>71137521
is that supposed to shock all of us uptight highbrow ppl ITT? you know Mozart literally wrote songs about licking assholes?

>>71130781
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1FSN8_pp_o

>>71136160
>"You see, the Western world is consumed with notions of qualification; the threat of nuclear extinction fulfils those notions, and the loss of a dragonfly's wing does not. And until the two phenomena are recognised as one, indivisible, until physical and verbal aggression are seen as simply a flip of the competitive coin, until every aesthetic decision can be equated with a moral correlative, I’ll continue to listen to the Berlin Philharmonic from behind a glass partition."

Great quote from Comrade Gould

bump for you gays

>>71138805
kek that explains why I couldn't find it after combing through a bunch of his symphonies

thanks

>>71138907
>I’ll continue to listen to the Berlin Philharmonic from behind a glass partition
what did he mean
>>71139793
thanks you qt bastard

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What's the most underrated classical composer in your opinion? Pic related for me.

>>71140015
>literal shitty rock-star trash
>underrated
I'm so fucking baited

>>71140015
anyone non-Italo-German

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>>71140042
You're proving why he's underrated right now with your retardation.

>>71133666
>thinking Da Vinci composed this

These tard levels are off the charts

>>71140211
>doesn't know the distinction between "underrated" and "poorly rated"
Holy fucking shit talk about literal dropped baby

>>71140285
>my opinions are fact

>>71140281
what was the music of his time like then?

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>>71140330
>facts aren't facts

>>71140393
Josquin and friends.

>>71140393
Look up renaissance madrigals

>>71139829
Listening from within a glass sound tech booth to Karajan play Sibelius 5. He had been asked for an example of an experience where he was moved by witnessing a great artist performing in person (as a challenge to his position against audiences). But he qualified it by saying that the partition made it work by isolating him.

And he related it to a moral/aesthetic dichotomy he develops in the essay, which I'm admittedly not entirely clear on. Something like the isolation made him blind to the aesthetic properties of the performance, and mitigated the danger he perceives to exist within art and aesthetics.

But the issue of morals and aesthetics in music goes way back, at least to the Greeks, who believed that the particular aesthetic qualities of the modes carried moral implications: for example, one mode expressed violence, so it was only appropriate for soldiers to listen to it.
Music was an external power that could act on you to change your character and behavior.

>>71141338
and I would guess that what he means by the two phenomena (nuclear war, and a kid pulling wings off a dragonfly) not being recognized as one is like people wanting to have aesthetics (which are supposedly "harmless", like the kid pulling wings off) without morals. Anytime you hear someone say taste is "100% subjective", they're echoing this separation: if aesthetics have no real-world consequences, so no one can be justified in telling you that you shouldn't be listening to something. So they listen to rock and edm, without considering that a steady beat is the sound of soldiers marching.

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>the face of autism

>>71110011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjP0_cP8TA8

What's a good recording of Villa-Lobos's Cello Concerto? I always listen to the one that's posted here but the recording sounds a bit muddy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFn_zVOlDAo

Also a fan of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLJbcBh3I9g

>>71143106
Not many recordings https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2928351

>>71105950
>Debussy. There is an accompanying chart, available on request.
Requesting, please

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>>71143106
Villa Lobos is noice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3Mj6HBbvXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl9gARaZSow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGVfyKnL9-U

Any music dedicated to Greek myth?

>>71143833
da ring cycle kinda sort of

>>71110865
>Actual good composer that isn't degenerate or inferior
>Existing outside of Europe

Pick one

>>71143833

A huge proportion of baroque/classical opera

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>>71143958

>>71143833
L'orfeo aka one of the best and most important works ever

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>>71140015

>>71144228
>promoting poly memes
Fuck off poly.

>>71144228
>Robert Fayrfax

Don't forget John Browne, Richard Hygons, etc.

>>71144228
I thought everyone loved Froberger.

>>71144264
he's right tho

except Scriabin, he's justly rated

>>71144383
What about Lully?

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>>71144228
>most of those
>underrated

>>71144228
>no Mozart

>>71144383
>Lully, Gluck, and Boulez
>underrated
>Martinu, Schnittke, and Auerbach
>worth praise

>>71130781
>>71130863
>/classical/ is patrician
>can't remember eine kleine

>>71122595
this is terrible

Have you ever entered composition contests?

>>71122572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlMHjo7Jwhk

>>71144228
they suck though

>>71122572
Before this goes nuts around 4:00, it has a really dreamlike, beautiful quality to it.
Almost made me cry second time I listened to it

>>71144665
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPYGRfzfBew
forgot link

>>71144626
(not true, by the way)

>>71122572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqSAGwa49MM

Is Mahler's 7th symphony his worst symphony?

>>71145128
imma crine r n

>>71128605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8SM4UbIFu0

>>71145128
But that's PETZOLD!

>>71128605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u1EduLH7L8

>>71145144
yes, but the nachtmusik movements are pretty good

>>71145144
yes its terrible but only slightly worse than the others

>>71122572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhvypMdcAFw

Give me a minor melody for an adagio

None of my posts on /classical/ ever get responded to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHEChtqmruQ
how did he write it at 13, it's one of my favorite pieces

>>71145423
Just steal from Albinoni or Barber

>>71122572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0GlLJcThug

Telemann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faTisX-1Gbo

>>71122595
Agree with other anon, this is awful

>>71144587
Never a fan of this concerto
Can't really explain it, maybe it's the lack of established motif or the repetitiveness but it really doesn't do it for me

>>71144692
Until he starts fucking smacking the harp it's actually really beautiful, closest to making me cry
Those repeated descending scales in the wacky harp modes are really interesting

>>71145128
>>71145722
Does not elicit sadness

>>71145406
Kind of bittersweet and sentimental. Doesn't make me cry but reasonable submission

>>71122572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO1ianfHOyk

>>71145976
pleb

What are some pieces of music that sound like the 1st movement of the 5th and 6th Symphonies of Mahler?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzmvlPY5kX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29eREwa2eFA

I need more of this "powerful" stuff.

>>71146171
have u tried shosty

>>71146171
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa9GJb-pvEA

>>71122572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0Hl0CcM-A4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXw-MMn11is

>>71146171
Is this a new meme?

>>71146246
Why is this a meme?

>>71146246
>everything is a meme
>nothing popular is good
>what's that? somebody else like this? oh, it's terrible

>>71146210
God these Curtis kids are fucking sick. Wish I got in when I auditioned.

>>71146171
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmtbeKwkboo

>>71145423
write your own melodies, faggot

Any ""composers"" ITT?

>>71147297
Fuck off

if you like mozart you should unironically neck yourself
and kill your parents too

faggot

>>71147302
Yes.

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Could someone give me a recommendation? I'm looking for something very ethereal, maybe with a holy feeling. A sublime piece.

Ave Maria is an example.

>>71147532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0yAA65u4HU

>>71147532
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E2j-frfK-yg

>>71145144
No, no Mahler symphony is the worst because they're all good

Michael Girelen's recording of it is amazing

>>71144228
>no Rotorooter

another list for the trash heap I guess

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>>71144035
Carter and Ives senpai

>>71147532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=useQGz1aQzk

>>71144228
Obrecht, Schutz, Lully, Gluck, Scriabin, Boulez, and Schnittke are not underrated, and are some of the most famous composers of their eras

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>>71147532
>>71122572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NFPOjkwEKA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86-ulHbApOM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7Sd_Ci8PM

>>71144228
pic related

>>71147449
how do I kiss myself on the neck?

>>71148049
Sometimes the most famous composer of the era is still forgotten today. The chart is for the present day.

>>71147302
poly composes
https://soundcloud.com/psllbof

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What is the best Jewish classical music?

>>71148777
Schoenberg

>>71148510
That's what I mean, though. Of their respective eras, they're among the most famous today.

>>71148832
They're not though

>>71148872
Obrecht: One of the msot famous composers of the 15th century, just less famous than Josquin
Schutz: Most famous German baroque composer pre-Bach
Lully: Most famous French baroque composer (at least equal to Rameau)
Gluck: Most famous composer between Bach and Haydn
Scriabin: One of the most famous composers of the transition between romanticism and modernism (only less famous than Mahler, Debussy, Strauss, Schoenberg)
Boulez: Probably the most famous composer who died in the past five years.
Schnittke: One of the top three or so most famous non-minimalist composers born after 1930

None of these are household names (Lully and Gluck might be exceptions), but that's the case for very few composers in the first place. Among people who've even scratched the surface of music history, all of these are quite famous.

>>71149079
7 / 20 composers The majority are still underrated. Being the most famous composer of x niche period (like Schutz or Schnittke) still doesn't mean people know of them today, or that they get the play time in programmes deserved.

If you compare their fame in their relative period to the frequency they are programmed into concerts, you'll see the underration [sic]

>>71149175
That's a fair point, and most of the composers included aren't so famous, so I'm really arguing over nothing I guess

>>71146381
There was a guy on /fit/ a few days ago who said he was from Curtis. I think he was a bassist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X53TvVY4_BY

i decided to post a clavichord piece by the good fellow c p.e. bach
he wrote a few good jingles in his time
his father was a bit good in his own right. Some called him introspective, others, a nobody. Regardless, his father was a bit good in his own right

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Shostakovich raving thread
Has he made you guys cry? Him and brahms and Vivaldi and Dvorak have done it for me and in that respective order of number of occurences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0nKJoZY64A&t=184s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miI0WMDh11c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEPiqK-jqTc&t=30s

he makes me cry a lot
maybe im just a trembling pussy slit of a "man" but shostakovich's music will inspire awe in me and then leave me shitting myself weeping at its pure refined ability to capture the most beautiful sentiments that i think music can achieve

>>71149488
Hello, i have also just started listening to classical