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Orchid fucking jams. Skramz is never discussed here, and it makes me sad.
>pic related is my favorite album

>>71032490
>Skramz is never discussed here
i think it was back when /emoe/ was a thing. anyway, i could never get into Circle Takes the Square. dunno why, i guess it was too weird with the rhythms and the two vocalists. i do love Orchid and Pg.99 though.

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>>71032490
>>71032517
Both are great albums senpai, i haven't listened to screamo that much lately, but this is one of my new favorites

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God I miss the early 00s.

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This album/band is very underrated.

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>>71032517
Nice taste!

My favorite is the Daitro/Sed Non Satiata split. The album isnt too popular but it's really worth a listen if you like the genre.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIEnf8TMa4g

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To make the inspiration.... VISIBLE AUDIBLE TOUCHABLE

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>>71032623
>yfw this was packaged with a razorblade

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>>71032574
I love envy, just got this record on vinyl, they're an amazing band

>>71032611
One of my favorites too, sad they just don't release anything anymore

>>71032623
Never heard of this one, is it good?

>>71032776
The Usurp Synapse/Hassan I Sabbah split is the pinnacle of screamo.

>>71032827
>The Usurp Synapse/Hassan I Sabbah split is the pinnacle of screamo.
yeah, no.

Either Heroin or Universal Order of Armageddon where the pinnacle of screamo.

Genre was dead by around '98.

>>71032827
Alright, I'll defenitely check that out, thanks man

>>71032873
>Either Heroin or Universal Order of Armageddon where the pinnacle of screamo.
Nah, Antioch Arrow was better than fucking Heroin.

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>>71032873
I agree with Heroin, but there's a lot of great releases post-2000

>>71032873
>dead by '98
Nah, son. I'd say dead by 2005 when scene kid shit started replacing it.

>antioch arrow
>heroin
lmao how can you even rate such mediocre screamo?

>>71032950
By scene, do you mean like the gay edgy pop-rock bands?

>>71032936
>>71032950
Experienced it first hand. Genre was really born out of what NoU and Born Against where doing in late 80s early 90s.

Had become a parody of itself by around '98.

>>71032967
I mean shit like Alesana, From First To Last, A Skylit Drive, and all of those bands that rose up around 2005 and all coincidentally released debut albums in 2006 or 2007 when MySpace was still cool.

>>71033009
>From First to Last
Isn't this band the Skrillex meme?

>>71032981
I don't want to fight, because these threads are generally very respectful, but you growing out of the scene in 1998 doesn't mean that it was dead. Some of the best screamo records came out in the early 2000s.

THIS IS MY TIGERSUIT

>>71033086
CUZ I'M A FUCKING LAMB

>>71033060
>Some of the best screamo records came out in the early 2000s.
This, Document 8, The Moon Is a Dead World, All the footprints... are all 2000s albums

>>71032981
>Genre was really born out of what NoU and Born Against where doing in late 80s early 90s.

Correct. It was really the NoU '91 tour that jump started the whole Cali Gravity/Che Cafe scene.

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>>71032570
I miss /emoe/

>>71033060
I don't want to fight either, but, like 1st wave punk, the whole point was that it was anti-authoritarian. By the time something is a decade+ old how anti-authoritarian is it really?

At a certian point it's just tradition/going the motions etc.

>>71033229
That makes sense. I totally understand that the 2000s screamo bands probably felt less genuine.

I FEEL NOTHING

LIKE MY FATHER

I don't know if you guys have listened to this, it's a screamo band from Chile, it's really great imo, saw them last year, give it a shot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSkbsbqSPyA

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I feel like Damezumari is ridiculously underappreciated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v71AAs8gyXU

>>71032963
It's weird, nut none of the Cali bands from that era were that good. Seems like East Coast dominated.

Am I forgetting someone?

>>71033301
Thanks for sharing, will give them a listen, they seem pretty good

>>71033336
Early Unwound. Who were one of the best, if not the best. Not Cali, but west coast.

But yeah nyc to richmond corridor dominated.

>>71033301
My man.

More chilean screamo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8QRMpigpII

>>71033429
this is pretty good dude i like it, reminded me of this a bit, another chilean band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJKug50YjQM

>>71033414
>Early Unwound. Who were one of the best, if not the best
yeah, honestly the first 2 Unwound albums where prob the pinnacle of the genre.

>>71033429
They sound great

>>71033561
I have no fucking idea what this song is about but I'm almost crying nigga

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>Unwound
>screamo

>>71033734
explain in detail why you think unwounds music differs from the scene enough to warrant a separate genre

>>71032676
saetia and off minor are the end all be all for emo music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwVd5IYK4oE

grindy emoviolence

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>>71032490
just gonna put this here to save the thread

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anybody going to the reunion shows?

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How do you guys feel about this album?

>>71032517
Listened to this album recently. It was alright. Looking for something with more Post-Rock influence. Really like City of Caterpillar

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Is thing thing Skramz? Because it's sure as fuck not Black Metal.

>>71038054
no

>>71038054
they literally ripped off la quiete

>>71038054
it's emocore

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These guys

https://youtu.be/VZqxfp37q-M

>>71038003
>>71038689

https://youtu.be/YRkmdDwhVEM

>>71038954
Legendary, a goddamn classic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sth78yyjjOY&t=1130s

It's been a while.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttnPu1kXat0

>>71039273
can you upload that split for me?

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The first I Would Set Myself on Fire For You album is the greatest thing I've found through /mu/

>>71039273
Classics all around

>>71039273
>>71040471
nevermind. found it.

link for those that don't have it: http://www.mediafire.com/file/f0dbenduy4z/s-mc.zip

Fuck anyone who uses the word "skramz"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa2_N6q_3x4

>>71037938
are they going to release anything new?

>>71033319
i'm getting a super early at the drive in vibe from this.

>>71033734
First two records definitely were. They came from, and helped birth, that scene.

>>71033060
This dude is 100% correct. Scene derived into derivative poseurs by late 90s.

>>71042394
But there's music from 00's post-hardcore/screamo that has no 90's peer. Isn't that what's important?

>>71042433
No. That's like saying hardcore was important in the 90s. ( it wasn't) Or '77 style punk was important in the 80s. (it wasn't).

>>71042360
Correct. I saw Unwound in a basement in '93 w/ UoA. They definitely were a big part of that scene.

>>71042483
I think you misinterpreted me. I mean the existence of novel post-hardcore/screamo in the 00's is important because it means it wasn't all endless derivation.

I'm not saying the scene itself was "important." I don't give a shit about that, don't know why anyone would.

>>71042516
>uoa
who?

>>71042552
I mean who cares at that point? We were rolling our eyes at bands doing screamo by like 97/98. It had become a joke.

>>71042593
Universal Order of Armageddon. Maybe the best band of the genre. Some of the same peeps from Moss Icon & Born Against.

>>71042594
>who cares at that point?

People who weren't just interested in the scene because it gave them something to cling to and pad their otherwise insignificant existence?

People who gave a shit about the music?

Are you fucking kidding me?

>>71042652
I mean whatever. Shit was lame by that time. I lived it.

>>71042676
jesus fucking christ get off mu you old fat fuck

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>>71042594
I don't know anything because I was only 12 years old in '98, but could it be that you and other who got into when you did just got sick of it because you were listening to the same shit over and over while new people continued to enter the genre so it was still fresh to them? I'm too tired to finish my thought.
おやすみなさい

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrqQXdhOm6g

>>71042703
Sorry you were a lame kid with a dumb haircut in the early oughts. Not my fault.

>>71042737
sorry youre a bitter washed up piece of shit. doubt much changed from when you were a kid. get a life.

>>71042732
No. That's not how it works. These scenes come with an expiration date.

Same way we thought bands doing Agnostic Front/SOIA style hardcore were impossibly lame in the early 90s.

Sorry it hurts your feelings.

>>71042676
>I lived it.
Yes. I know. You've made us all quite aware of that fact as though that somehow makes it OK that you were only "in" that scene because it gave you an identity and didn't give a shit about the music, hence why the moment the scene's cultural arbitrators decided it was "lame" you followed in line appropriately.

Holy shit. You never cared about the music.

Sometimes I feel bad for having been to young to experience those years but if dispassionate, shallow shits like you comprised the population of that scene I can just as easily experience that today by moving to Chicago, LA, and NY living among the other vapid fucks.

You're everything that was ever wrong with that scene, much worse than any derivative band could've been.

Kill yourself.

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>he's in his 40s and comes on a mongolian fish gutting forum to bully other people and act like a huge faggot because he has nothing better to do with his sad pathetic life

>>71042832
>he's in his 40s and comes on a mongolian fish gutting forum to bully other people and act like a huge faggot because he has nothing better to do with his sad pathetic life
>and he ends up being exposed as a fake fuck that represents everything that is wrong with every scene to ever exist told to fuck off and kill himself by people half his age

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>>71042782
Nah, I don't care about scenes because I never leave my house or talk to people. I listen to what I like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCt_NP8kOaE
I'm still disappointed in I.V. and Self Portrait though. Fuck.

>>71042819
Sorry. It hurts your feelings but it's true.

The genre was born of a distaste for 80s hardcore. It stared with revolution summer (RoS) mutated via bands like Moss Icon, NoU, The Hated, Born Against etc, and later became 'emo' ( later renamed screamo).


By like '98 it had become a joke. It was a bunch of derivative nonsense that had forfeited the vitality that had created the scene in the first place.

By that time their were already, almost ironic, post 'emo' bands like Make Up & Mens Recovery Project.

Nothing past '98 or so mattered.

Interesting kids had already moved on to brighter pastures.

>he spent his 20's listening to music he didn't give a shit about so he could participate in a scene for culture points he'd redeem decades later on a Cantonese finger-painting symposium

>>71042832
>>71042872
>>71042985
wow some lame kids in their 30s can't handle reality.

And age doesn't matter.

Plenty of interesting things happened post ' 98. Just not ' screamo'.

>>71043025
Nah, everybody in this thread is in their early 20s at the latest. Sorry. It hurts your feelings but it's true.

>>71043082
Jesus. You kids should be doing your own thing.

It would remind me of the terrible 'spirit of 77' bands that we laughed at when I was in high school.

Ieatheartattacks is a new band from Norway who just put out a decent record last week.

>>71042972
>>71043025
I don't know why you're still posting.

You talk shit about posers and derivation but you admit that you follow scenes and trends and not the music.

You went along with those scenes only because it made you feel you were part of something and gave you some sort of claim to history.

You're a joke.

>tfw old
>never able to enjoy hardcore again
>going boinkers in a pit at a botch show is a distant memory

sad times this age thing (and itll happen to you too)

>>71032981

More like you became out of touch in 98

t. fellow oldfag

>>71042972
Born Against? What in the literal fuck are you talking about? They have nothing to do with this and it's like you just picked a random band from Gravity Records

Literally wtf are you doing

>>71042972
Accurate

>>71043205
Born Against somewhat invented the genre you absolute pleeb.

>>71042972
it was always a joke to those outside of the scene you old fuck.
just because you fell out of it doesnt mean shit.

>>71043249
What genre? You're literally just lying at this point.

>>71043211
>while everyone else is posting well-reasoned, substantiated arguments for why this guy is full of shit, I'm going to type one word and instantly persuade them all of my position

>>71043205
Kek. There would have been no Gravity, w/o BA/Vermiform. You're talking shit.

>>71043281
In case everyone isn't aware this person is literally just lying about shit.

>>71043260
>>71043269
>>71043270
Learn the history of your scene you're ignorant.

>>71043296

It's more that he's talking about his group of friends in high school and thinking his podunk town speaks for the world

>>71043296
Where is it that you think this genre came from.

Vermiform/Vermin Scum/Ebulition/Gravity etc.


Are you trolling or just a loudmouth dumb ass?

>>71043315
Well about this stuff I've been replying to he's literally just making shit up.

>>71043315
You're so utterly wrong I hope you're trolling.

>>71043302
I never said his elementary recall of how the genre started was wrong. I said what happened post '98 is wrong and neither he nor anyone else has given a refutation with more depth than "lol it became lame."

>>71043302
thats irrelevant, you half fucking century old golem.
nothing "died" in '98, you got old and tired of it, and now you glorify shit made pre-98 bc that gives you some "cooler-than-thou" superiority over younger kids. you're fucking pathetic.
>>71043149
this fucking slams. https://ieatheartattacks.bandcamp.com/track/please-just-dance-death is fucking amazing

>>71043336
And now you're trying to change the subject from Born Against to specifically record labels. You are literally lying.

>>71043354
Dude no one cares about 2nd wave screamo.

I literally know the guys from Orchard. They'd tell you the samem

>>71043366
Awesome glad you like it. I just found it last night through some serious bandcamp digging.

>>71043372
Sam from BA owned Vermiform. Tony from BA/UoA owned Vermin Scum.

You're talking shit.

>>71043377
>explicitly prompt him to give a more substantial answer than "lol it became lame."
>responds with "lol no one cared it was lame I know the guys from orchid lol they'd say the same!!"

It's more like the guys from Orchid formed that opinion and you and all other empty, gutless shits followed in sync without hesitation lest you lose your scene cred.

If no one gave a shit about it, the genre wouldn't have been reinvented in the early 00's.

You keep repeating yourself and you clearly care more about public perception than the music so I don't know why I'm still responding to you though.

>>71043400
That doesn't mean Born Against had jack shit to do with any of this. Just because a band was on a label doesn't necessarily have anything to do with their music.

>>71043439
Dude the fuck is wrong with you? Anon's account is pretty much accurate.

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Yo niggas calm down, I made this thread so we could discuss screamo and share bandcamp stuff

>>71043456
Who is it that you think were 1st wave 'screamo'.?

>>71043456
They OWNED the label retard. Sam McPheeters pretty much WAS Born Against/Vermiform. Are you high?

>>71043471
>the people involved with 1st wave screamo didn't give a shit about 2nd wave screamo
No. Fucking. Shit.

His problem is he's projecting his gutless, zombie mentality on everyone else expect us to accept that all post-1st wave screamo is shit just because his resident cultural arbitrators said so twenty years ago.

That's what's wrong with me.

>>71043486
Certainly not Born Against that's for damn sure. And also to say that the start of Gravity Records has anything to do with Vermiform let alone wouldn't have happened without it is again a literal blatant lie.

>>71043471
Yup. The spiritual forefathers of this version of punk were Sam McPheeters, Ian Svenonius, and Tony Joy. I don't think it's all that debatable.

>>71043508
Yeah no shit

And Vermiform had basically fuck all to do with it anyways. Those Heroin records were just re-released on there. And Miss Icon had been together about 5 years before they put out something on there. I don't know why you're so intent on dragging Born Against into this. They have literally nothing to do with the music style specifically.

>>71043546
Tony Joy from BA's band Lava were the 2nd fucking release on Gravity! The 5th fucking release was the classic UoA/Born Against split 7 inch. You don't know what you're talking about.

Matt Anderson himself would tell you that there would be no Gravity without Born Against.

>>71043622
Born Against pre-dated all of that by several years. You don't know what you're talking about.

>>71043628
>>71043653
The is something wrong with both of you. So fucking what if Born Against had a split on there. So fucking what if one band shares one member.

Literally why are you so intent on dragging Born Against into this? It's fucking bizarre.

>>71043622
What? Nigga, Nation of Ulysses and Born Against literally made this scene in like 88/89. I'd go as far as to say, it's historical fact.

>>71043690
Are you trolling? You're dead wrong. It's basically fact.

>>71043690
Who is it that you think invented the genre? We're all ears.

>>71032640
Got a DL link by any chance?

>>71043716
You're talking in circles
>>71043728
You're not even answering a question

Enjoy thinking Born Against have anything to do with screamo or whatever you want to call it.

>>71043745
As opposed to who? Fucking Born Against? That's literally the funniest thing Ive ever heard so thank you for that.

>>71043767
>>71043783
ok, you're trolling.

>>71043819
Yeah Born Against are my favorite screamo band. They really took emo to a new level.

>>71043841
Dude get a life. You ruined an interesting thread.

This thread is so bad holy shit what happened in here

>>71043996
Some idiots started calling Born Against a screamo band.

>>71043967
Yeah. I would have been into hearing more stories from the 90s.

>>71044055
Fuck off dick

test

testing

test

>>71042516
That doesn't fucking matter. That's like saying Assuck was a hardcore band.

>>71044177
You should understand by now that he's only here to make us aware that he participated in the scene. He's not here to make interesting and intelligent posts.

>>71044177
>>71044205
What is wrong with you dudes? It's like arguing w/ a dude who saw Moby Grape in '66 saying they don't know anything about the Haight Ashbury scene.

How insecure are you?

>>71044205
Ok thank you

Did you hear that German record from December Ipura?

>>71044272
yeah, old anon was pretty much right.

Oops got the name wrong

https://lypura.bandcamp.com/

>>71044272
You're the one that can't make a single post without including heaps of irrelevant and trivial information about scenes.

If anyone here is insecure, it's you. Every post you make is a disguised effort at flexing your e-peen and it's not even subtle.

It's fucking sad to be this desperate for validation at your age.

https://soundcloud.com/tonyendz/sriracha

>>71044272

This shit is fairly typical of the "punk scene" mentality/attitude

>>71044272
>>71044339
teen idiots assmad andvrunning their mouths.

>>71044272
Again my point was not even addressed

Just because Assuck played shitloads if shows with HARDCORE bands like BORN AGAINST doesn't mean that Assuck was a hardcore band. And no I don't mean hardcore emo.

>>71044393
Yeah, it's a bunch of dickhead 16 year olds. Who btw were straight up wrong. Old dude was interesting.

>>71044432
Yeah, but you'd have to actually listen to the music coming out of these scenes to know anything about what band belonged to what genre, and he was never interested in that sort of thing.

>>71044432
Dude he was right. Born Against were basically one of the most important bands in all of this. I don't get your problem.

>>71044456
I was here to read every post he submitted and I didn't find any of them to be interesting.

He has a very shallow and surface level understanding of the scene he prides himself so much for participating in.

But on the off chance that you're not the same person samefagging, link me to a single interesting thing he said ITT.

>>71044466
Um anon, without Born Against and the other early 90s bands he was talking about what we're doing now wouldn't exist.

>>71044522
Dude you're wrong and being a phony. All of that was real. It's the legit history of the scene.

>>71044493
Wut I literally just explained it. Just because a band was part of the scene doesn't mean they were part of the music.

>>71044393
Yeah. If it didn't happen 5 minutes ago it's nonsense type of mentality.

>>71044533
Oh because one member was in one band who was the 2nd release on a label? That means literal fuck all. Not that anyone gave a particular fuck about Lava anyways.

>>71044564
You are retarded. I never said he was wrong. I said he prides himself for having a child's understanding and he hasn't said anything interesting.

You.

Are.

Retarded.

I feel like for the entirety of this thread I've been trying to have a dialogue with people who can't fucking read.

>>71044585
What does that even mean? It's pure sophistry. Pull your head from out of your ass. You're insufferable dude.

>>71044639
He's clearly saying that unless Born Against themselves played the music that comprised the scene, they weren't a part of it.

This is what I was talking about when I said you have a child's fucking understanding of this shit. You are stupid as hell.

>>71044639
Do you not even know what an octave chord is or something? THAT is what screamo would not exist without. Not fucking Born Against that is so insanely fucking funny.

>>71044697
Weren't a part of the music.

Just to make sure we're on the same page.

>>71044697
Dude, you're utterly wrong. Born Against were literally the bridge between 80s hardcore and 90s emo/screamo. Go to bed. You're either a retard or le epic troll.

>>71044726
Yeah. My mistake.

>>71044745
Sure, dude.

Sure. Born Against were the bridge between 80's hardcore and 90's emo/screamo, just like Dinosaur Jr.!

>>71044697
>He's clearly saying that unless Born Against themselves played the music that comprised the scene, they weren't a part of it.
Dude, educate yourself. Jesus.

https://youtu.be/OfCDICJpHHY

>>71044751
And I guess I should technically say genre

They were part of the scene but not the genre

And that sure as hell wasnt the only scene they were a part of.

>>71044812
>They were part of the scene but not the genre
This literally makes no sense. Even as a sentence.

>>71044272
>It's like arguing w/ a dude who saw Moby Grape in '66 saying they don't know anything about the Haight Ashbury scene.
yeah

>>71044802
Was this supposed to convince me of your opinion?

>>71044802
Ok that's actually really interesting that's the song on the uoa split. And I do believe that it even has octave chords. Still Born Against did not play twinkly shit like that outside of this one fucking song.

>>71044865
not that anon, but yes.
scenes aside, without pivotal hardcore bands like born against or early emo bands like rites of spring you don't get screamo.

>>71044851
Same club, bill, label, even the same record does not mean it's the same genre

That was really well played with that Born Against song though.

>>71044912
*
Oh and same members too

None of that means jack shit about the genre

>>71044783
But Dinosaur Jr kinda were weren't they? What was their old hardcore band called? I always love citing "Don't" as one of the first screamo songs.

>>71044893
it was literally the same scene too. where do you dudes think (scream)mo came from?

>>71044959
absolutely. the level of ignorance in this thread is by you young dudes is staggering.But Dino Jr. were more the bridge between hardcore and indie rock. ie: fucking DEEP WOUND.


baka at you kids

>>71044989
Yeah I haven't thought about Deep Wound in so long

In my defense that a pretty atypical Born Against song. Doesn't change my opinion but it does make me under the assertion a little better.

>>71038003
I think it's a pretty great album, the mix is kind of awful and they're not the most hardcore there is, but they get the feels going

>>71045019
No it was pretty fucking typical of Tony/Brooks era Born Against. Which was were screamy emo got it's start.

Dude you suck. The other dude was straight up right.

>>71045079
Bullshit name one other song.

>>71045102
https://youtu.be/d06uqes3eaI

dude, you talk a whole lot of shit

>>71045133
even better example

https://youtu.be/tZupsLGhBCE

>>71045133
wow, memory lane. I was at this show. Probably one of their last.

https://youtu.be/2RE0kIoxpds

>>71045133
>>71045149
Swing and a miss. I can see how you're confused though.

If you wanna go way back? Zen Arcade baby

Pride

>>71032873
you are braindead sorry

>>71045198
It's literally the same lineup as >>71044802

what is wrong with you?

>>71045232
>the same lineup
Who fucking cares? I mean we are dealing with subtleties here where yeah knowing what an octave chord is let alone identifying one is one of the helpful things sorry. Not just being able to read a credits list.

Which is one of the reasons why the song Pride by Husker Du is so massively important to this style. I mean seriously it's like Gravity Records shit ten years before the fact.

>>71045270
>octave chord
dude, you don't know fuck all about punk

maybe try some satriani?

you sound like one of those dickhead blowhards

>>71045351
What punk like it's relatively simple? The octave chord is actually simpler than the cornerstone of punk the power chord or fifth chord. An octave chord is essentially one more so it doesn't get any simpler than that. What the power chord is to punk the octave chord is to screamo or hardcore emo whatever you wanna call it.

>>71045406
Fucking autocorrect I swear

One note

An octave chord is just a power chord with the middle note removed leaving just the one note at different octaves

And I just listened to that first Heroin record again and sure enough they did in fact break through that early in 1991 with the song Never Ever which I think is the only definitive song on there because among other things yes muh octave chords

this thread is so awful

no one fucking cares that you stopped liking screamo in '98 old man, and you need to stop responding to him, anon, he's retarded. he'll never admit there was a good record after that year no matter how much you call him out.

>>71032776
yeah that split is a classic. real jams for sure.

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Just realized how much Mathcore bands sound like this. Especially Converge.

>>71045957
Alright, I'll check em out, never heard of those bands before tho.

>>71046036
Talking about the vocals*

>>71042394
jeromes dream and usurp synapse were the pinnacle dont fucking trip

>>71042911
I.V. is the best record Loma has released, by far. Self Portrait is trash tho.

yo

can someone upload that UoA/Born Against split?

>>71049012
It's so good.

>>71049158
why are you posting this? someone posted a youtube link in the thread. i've already listened to it.

>>71038054
envy w/ blastbeats

>>71049199
I didn't post it. Just listened to it for the first time in a decade+ via the YouTube link.

I assume other anon was looking for a downloadable version.

>>71049468
also, the anon said this scene died in the mid to late 90s was spot on.

>>71049468
i am that other anon

>>71049484
dude why are you bringing this back up? who gives a shit about the scene? the music is what matters.

Any love for hot Cross? I fucking love hot Cross.

>>71043161
this makes me so sad :(

>>71049581
dude was schooling you kids

>>71050073
dude did nothing but scream and shout that the scene died after '98 despite how much evidence there is of the contrary


he is retarded

you are retarded

I'm going on a trip later today and the next few hours will be my last chance to download more albums.


The Emo I liked the most so far were
Hot Cross - Cryonics
The Heat Death of The Universe
Maximillian Colby

I reallly have a hard-on for soft emo male vocals.

Any recs?

>>71032517
I saw CTTS like 13 years ago and it's still like a top 5 best set I've ever seen

I wish I knew where the sweatshirt I had disappeared to. It was cool.

>screamo thread is either ironic weebfaggotry or underages pretending to know about UoA and the 90s scene
Literally the cancer that killed screamo.

>>71050160
penfold?

What's everyone's favorite Blood Brothers album?

>>71050157
I mean I could start a mid-80s style hardcore band today, doesn't mean that scene isn't dead. It is.

>>71050279
Yeah, it's ridiculous. It was a bunch of kids trying to tell a guy who was there that he was wrong.

And they were stupid, and rude, and factually incorrect about it.

>>71050486
That faggot was annoying too.
>dude look how much i learned on wikipedia about uoa

Tristan Tzara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtgX4cycb18

Ecuadorian band CBRS (formerly known as "Los Cabras") first EP.

Check it: https://sharethisbreath.bandcamp.com/album/cbrs-ep

>>71050585
I literally saw the first UoA show ever at The Loft in Baltimore.

Dude was right about pretty much everything.

>>71050467
dude literally no one here is denying that first wave died in the 90's

the shit started because he has a superiority complex and refuses to admit that other scenes followed 1st wave and carried it through the 00's

>>71050279
screamo died when it became infested with people who cared more for the scene than the music

>>71050279
>>71050486
>>71050609
and
>i was there
isn't a fucking argument. it contributes nothing. it's not intelligent nor insightful.

saying that UoA and BA are responsible for screamo because they very loosely connected post-hardcore to hardcore is retarded.

one could just as easily say that fucking black flag and d.o.a are responsible for screamo and post-hardcore because they created hardcore

see what i just typed?

see how i didn't just spout "DUDE i was THERE and i PERSONALLY WIPED tonie joy and ian svenonius' asses after their 930 club set."

that's what you and every other 40 year dinosaur posting in this thread has neglected to do and why people spent last night taking a collective shit on you

>>71050998
>saying that UoA and BA are responsible for screamo because they very loosely connected post-hardcore to hardcore is retarded.
but UoA, Born Against and NoU (and maybe Rorschach) WERE responsible for screamo. I saw it fucking firsthand.

Are you mentally ill?

>>71051058
wow i literally just told you what's wrong with what you've been posting and how you should change it and yet you can't do anything but post

>DUDE I WAS THERE

if anyone here is mentally ill it's you

>>71051058
Top kek.
Screamo was already a thing before fucking UoA.

>>71050413
I listened to a few tracks on youtube. Didn't really like it. too slow paced. It feels structurel-less. And with high vocals, I meant like

>felll shooooort ooooof reeeallll
>stuuuuck iiiiin aaaaa woooorld
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERt6CxEnwxE

>>71051159
yeah, Tony was in Born Against, Moss Icon and Lava before UoA.

Enlighten us. Were do you think screamo came from? I'm on the edge of my seat.

>>71051058
why are you acting like rites of spring and moss icon don't exist

why do you have such a raging fucking hard-on for UoA, BA, and NoU

no one's saying they're bad we're just not attributing screamo and post-hardcore to them

>>71051058
>Are you mentally ill?
He's either mentally ill or trolling for bumps. I wouldn't bother.

>>71051191
RoS, MI, The Hated et al. were 1st wave emo, that is true.

The bridge between that and what later became know as 'screamo' were absolutely NoU, BA etc. Dude was right.

>>71051210
you are literally saying that entire bands (UoA and BA) were pivotal to the creation of a genre just because they had a common member with an earlier band that was pivotal to the creation of a genre

>>71051239
no they were not

NoA and BA were hardcore fucking punk. they doubled down on the aggression of 1st wave emo and completely stripped of its emotion and sentiment in favor of politics

>>71051275
*completely striped it of its emotion

>>71051097
>>DUDE I WAS THERE
Why do you dismiss first person testimony? What better record is there? I don't get it.

>UoA is screamo because they were angry
>Unwound is screamo because they played with UoA
The autism levels on this thread are alarming.

>>71051275
Again, please tell us where you think screamo came from.

>>71051297
i don't dismiss first-person testimony but if you can't substantiate "DUDE I WAS THERE" with reason and an actual persuasive argument and "DUDE I WAS THERE" is literally the only thing you can say, why should i be convinced of your position?

>>71051301
'Screamo' is not a real genre. No one used that term until after the fact.

We mostly just called it 'punk'.

>>71051297
>first person testimony
>on an anonymous imageboard
Excuse me but I am Guy Picciotto and everything you've said is wrong.

>>71051325
>honeywell
>heroin
to dismiss them as its forefathers in favor of fucking UoA and BA means only that your reason has been eclipsed by your hard-on for the DMV 90's punk scene

>>71051344
Yep. If he is talking about bands like Native Nod, Still Life, Merrill etc. (which are considered screamo now) were mostly just considered 'punk', or sometimes 'emo' before that became a derogatory term.

It became a derogatory term, because like that other dude was saying, by around '98 that style of music had become passe.

t. another oldfag

>>71051380
They came afterwards. Ask Matt Anderson himself. He'll tell you the same thing I am.

>>71051380
>DMV 90's punk scene
But DC, Baltimore, Annapolis and NYC IS where all this stuff started.

>>71051404
heroin formed in 1989, and honeywell in 1991

UoA formed in 1992, and BA in 1989

so roughly at exactly the same time

only heroin and honeywell strictly birthed screamo while the latter were hardcore punk

>>71051434
yeah, it started in the 80's with MI and RoS

but to fully attribute the DMV because MI and RoS were there is fucking stupid and comparable to attributing UoA because they shared a member with MI

oh

oh wait

>>71051521
MI and UoA more than just shared a member, TJ was the driving force behind all of that. Also Lava, Breathing Walker etc.

And NoU I think predated all of them.

it's not important.

Honeywell and Heroin were OG, no doubt. But nowhere near as influential as BA and NoU.

If you were around at the time you would have been amazed at how many copycat BA and NoU bands were around.

Those two bands were like Johnny Appleseed.

And to say all of this didn't stem from the greater DC music scene is just inaccurate.

>yeah, it started in the 80's with MI and RoS
Also Reptile House/Lungfish. They always get left out.

>>71051521
>heroin formed in 1989, and Honeywell in 1991
Bro, maybe they did, but they didn't have records out or tour nationally until the early 90s.

>>71051642
you still don't get it

it doesn't matter how many members they had in common or how important said members were. what matters is that they were deviating from MI and RoS and played hardcore, politically charged punk while on the opposite coast honeywell and heroin were carrying the torch

it also doesn't matter how many bands they influenced because they were, again, playing hardcore punk while honeywell and heroin were carving out a substantial scene on the west coast

also i'm not denying how important the DMV was to the scene, just denying that the DMV were the first to do "screamo" or whatever you want to call it

much of the DMV's most influential acts wouldn't come until later

>>71051729
>didn't have records out or tour nationally until the early 90's
same goes for BA and UoA

Anyone here fuck with Julia?

>>71037938
Saw them last month, was really good

>>71051765
*what matters is that BA and UoA were deviating

wow, this thread was a trip down memory lane. I saw almost all of the bands you guys are talking about. Really good times. I think the kids today are missing out. Internet fucked up all of this.

>being 30+ on this board
>using first hand testimonies on an anonymous board
>mentally cant get over a disagreement

Honestly the saddest part is the evident missing process of 'growing up' from your life span.

I'm in my early 20s and feel too old for this board

>>71052248
bro, do think people who are 30+ aren't music fans or don't go on the internet? How many sites where you can speak freely are even left?

>>71038054
blackgaze
are you trolling?

>>71052298
Not him, and you raise a fair point, but I for one hope I'm done with this place by the time I enter my thirties. 22 right now.

>>71053902
That's the kind of thing people think is super important at that age. And maybe it is. The need to progress with your life is a good thing.

But not all stereotypes are true.

I'm sitting at my desk in Manhattan right now. I'm not some kind of suspended adolescent basement dwelling neckbeard.

>>71053996
It really just has more to do with how much I hate the typical poster on this board.

It's funny but this is among the best music discussions I've had here on this board in months.

Usually I just lurk and look in the archive for shit I haven't listened to.

>>71053996
>>71054236
But I agree with you on stereotypes, and I'm happy you succeeded man.

Good for you.

>>71054236
>>71054266
It's funny, I actually remember being at punk shows when I was like 19-20 and thinking to myself, 'If I'm still here when I'm 30 someone shoot me'.

>>71038054
I mean, they may have ripped off La Quiete and the appalachian black metal scene, but that doesn't mean they are part of screamo or black metal.

>>71037938
weren't they last month?

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i will always recommend this record,
so good
>Raein - nati da altri padri (also known as Ogni Nuovo Inizio)