Republicans are now a part of counterculture. There will be a

>>71022514
are you the same guy that posted this yesterday or are you someone that saw it and wanted to be the op this time around?

lol wtf nah no way

>>71022514

>counterculture
>own all three branches of government
>Still dominated by old, religious, "family values" men
>Refuse to leave their bumfuck towns in flyover country because they're terrified of people with darker skin.

Nah, get fucked.

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>>71022978

this

>>71022514
Republicans aren't the counterculture
Have you been living under a rock?
Half of America voted for Trump, half of UK voted for Brexit
All three branches of US government is Republican
On the internet if you say anything remotely liberal, the entirety of 4chan reddit and youtube eats you alive, yet if you make anti-semetic jokes on youtube and someone criticises you, the entirety of the internet defends you and eats the criticiser alive then calls the criticiser "triggered"
For 5 years straight the entirety of the internet has been ranting and raving at the SJW boogeyman who barely has made a whisper, while at the same time believing the largest ideology on the planet (the altright) is counterculture
Even though I believe there are racial differences, I think people are absolutely retarded if they can't see that 99% of people on the internet and in real life are altright
The mainstream is altright, the counterculture is being progressive
The entire internet gets extremely triggered if you believe that humans are destroying the planet, while the entire internet makes nazi jokes about how jews should be gassed to save the planet
This hypocrisy is astounding
The sad thing is the entire internet will assume I'm Jewish when I'm not, just because I believe humanity in general is the biggest problem, not just jews muslims and blacks in particular

>>71023250
this so much

>>71023250
shut up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM0VyoVsCYg

>>71023300
awwwww did I hurt your feefees

>>71023345
SHUT UP

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>>71023391
Since there are many idiots, your comment has a 50/50 chance of being trolling or serious

>>71023250

>saying something liberal on reddit or youtube gets you eaten alive

had a pretty good chuckle

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>>71023250
>>71023500
Exactly. Only in the past year or so would such a thing even happen on reddit.

I'll admit, I've been a filthy cockroach for a few years, but only recently has there been a significant right-wing presence.

Perhaps you can say not all of the right is acting as a counterculture, but there are counterculturalists acting on behalf of the right.

>>71022978
no you don't get it. they aren't afraid to be dicks to gay people so that makes them counterculture.

You're all slaves to the government

Nah man being like that is 9gag tier retardation

>>71022514
how can they be countercultre if they are now in charge? if anything the left is back to where it was years ago during the bush admin, and it's good since it gives the left something to fight against instead of being in charge and slowly becoming lazy and apathetic until the far left took over. basically trump is making the left great again and filtering out the shitty far left slacktivists

>>71023250
this but without all the unnecessary exaggaration

>>71022514
Stop making the internet more and more insufferable every day

what's with politics today and everyone pretending they're both the counterculture and completely anti establishment? clinton and trump are both far from anti establishment. sanders was far from anti establishment. at this point it's silly to say that there's anyone in politics who is anti establishment. if you believe any politicians aren't corrupt, you're just gullible.

>>71023250
This 100%

keyboard warriors sure are badass.

>>71024615
Counterculture is the new mainstream, everyone is united in being against the center that doesn't exist.

>>71022514
Republicans are one half of the political mainstream America, not counterculture.

>>71023250
the republicans love to think they're edgy and fighting the "lamestream media" and that fox news and shooting guns in the woods is the height of cutting edge badassness. when yeah it's really at least 50% of people that think this way and growing since people get more tied to their ways as they age.

>>71023250
>yet if you make anti-semetic jokes on youtube and someone criticises you, the entirety of the internet defends you and eats the criticiser alive then calls the criticiser "triggered"
Is this a jab at PewDiePie? Because he actually did nothing wrong but homunculus journalists think they judge everything without context.

>>71022514
>There will be a big republican movement in the music industry over the next three years.
It already exists friend, it's called country music and has always been republican-leaning...

also no to everything else you said.

>>71022514

In the age of the internet there is unlimited access for anyone to absorption and dissemination of any ideology. So there really isn't a culture and a counterculture any more it's just a zillion way clusterfuck of everyone having a soapbox and every group having the ability to express themselves in an attention grabbing manner regardless of membership.
Just look at this thread. Half the people think the status quo is totally liberalism, half the people think that actually pretty much everyone is right wing. Heaps of people thing that the whole SJW thing is like this massive movement that is sweeping the world, heaps argue that actually it's literally almost no one just a vocal group on the internet. No one can fucking agree on what is actually popular or what is the status quo vs the "counter culture" because everything gets attention and the internet is just this constantly shifting sea of varying content

mainstream media

>>71023250
>Half of America voted for Trump
you mean twenty percent of the country?
the REAL SILENT MAJORITY DIDN'T VOTE AT ALL


and WHO is making all these generally 'altright' posts on the internet?

>>71022514
>Republicans are now a part of counterculture
Kek this is embarrassing. Have some news faggot, counterculture is no longer a thing, and if it were, republicans would never be a part of it, now kill yourself

>trump is anti-establishment
When this will die? Everybody with 2 brain cells knows that """""liberal"""" media it's just way of capitalize on strugles of the lower classes. The establishment is not """""liberal""""", they just found a way of make money through people that would usually reject and fight them.

>>71022978
>entirety of mainstream media has liberal and progressive bias
>libs still think they're the counter culture
We're the punks nao my dude

Oh yeah, all those republican musicians tearing up the charts right now, how could I have forgotten

>>71024336
culture and power go hand in hand. notice how after a countercultural movement there is a period of exhaustion and wallowing in failure. happened to the hippies, happened to punk, now it's going to happen to BLM/SJWs.

if you're looking to the forefront, the real movement was getting people like clinton away from the white house

>>71022514
You have to be doing the opposite of what the political majority are doing to be considered counter-culture. That's kind of why it's called fucking counter-culture.
>Why is everyone with an internet connection and knowledge of the billboard top 100 fucking retarded

>>71022514
>implying that narrow minded trumpeteers can make thought provoking art
My sides

>>71029357
socialism in art hasn't been thought provoking since gang of four

>>71022514
An alt-right musical movement would literally just be InfoWars clips that's the only way they comprehend things

>>71028918
Don't make me laugh my man. The closest the right has ever gotten to producing a punk is Varg, and his music is shit.

>>71024677
>giving a fuck about youtube celebrities and Let's Play bullshit
Fuck off underageb&.

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Are there any punk bands that flaunt a conservative ideology in their music? Genuinely curious.

>>71029493
progressive and conservative aren't opposites.

if you're going to speak on these subjects stop shifting goalposts

>>71029542
I wasn't saying that. Given this idea that conservatism is considered "punk," I was curious if any punk bands made songs with conservative viewpoints, that's all

>>71029414
Why does it have to be socialist? Most completely politically charged music sucks anyway. It's more of a left vs right thing. And as history shows clearly the left prevails in creativity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdQb7rTrEPA

>>71029627
because bands don't realize fascism is closer to communism than liberalism is to conservatism on a political spectrum. the mention of most things they hate with no positives about the things they agree with is just pseudo-intellectual complaining. we can't have bruce springsteen being the only true leftist to make pop hits, can we?

>>71023250
t. shalom goldstein

>>71029748
Bruce Springsteen is a national treasure

>>71029584
plenty of punk bands are anti-drugs, pro-seclusion, anti-globalist, and anti-identity politics. in a sense nihilism is right wing

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>>71030074
>in a sense nihilism is right wing

>>71029491
Just because I talk about something does not mean I care about it.

>>71030150
well if you consider that progressives want to spend as much money as possible with the biggest government as possible to make everyone happy and have self-worth, then the opposite of that would be nihilism. this has also been written about academically, not responded to with a shit meme

>>71029493
Skewdriver

>>71030221
So how does this work with progressive libertarians?

>>71030221
You have no clue what nihilism means, do you?

>>71030247
i'm looking at nihilism from the viewpoint of a punk musician.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_ideologies#Nihilism

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>>71030221
Do you even know what that word means

>>71023250
>the counter culture is progressive
Watch American TV or Netflix for a few hours and think of all the musicians, actors, etc. in Hollywood. If the counter culture is progressive, then why does the mainstream culture constantly push liberal progressive values?

Name one right-winger that isn't Clint Eastwood or some old fuck who's earned legend status and doesn't care what people think.

>>71022978

/thread

>>71030336
The fucking president

The left dominates popular culture but conservatives have the political power so neither of you are counter culture anymore.

>>71022514
Danzig used to be so hot

>>71030336
>>71030388
Plus his entire administration, congress, over half of the supreme court, governors of many states....etc

>>71030388
Political figure, not Hollywood
Plus he didn't get overtly political until Obama and by that time no one really gave a shit about the apprentice.

>>71030420
I'm talking about hollywood celebrities/actors/entertainers you fucking moron.
Kill yourself.

>>71030293

>>71030275

i'm saying nihilist punks have a lack of social values that lean right wing

>>71030458
rude

Pop culture is pretty liberal but there is a lot of regional variation, the south is very conservative, the midwest is conservative, hell - the entire center of the country.

Politicians have power. Celebrities don't.

>>71030561
They can influence the voters/political climate and young impressionable people who look up to them. It helped Obama get elected.

>>71030458
Are you saying celebrities have more power than the actual political figures in charge

>>71030464
Well then if they're leaning right wing and actually give somewhat of a sit about the political spectrum then they're not really nihilist are they?

>>71030607
Running against someone who has Sarah Palin as his VP pick helped too

I mean if you say anything remotely conservative these days you get the horde of teenage college commies calling you a privileged cis white male and telling you you're a retard because you don't agree with jon oliver or their gender studies professor.

>>71030644
i'm not saying they lean right wing. i'm saying the absence of caring about government programs or other people period makes their ideology and influence closer to right wing than left wing. you don't need to be politically active to have a political voice. just like you don't need to care about economics to prefer cheaper milk

We have Trump because Liberals are fuckin idiots and insult everyday to white people for who the fucksknowanymore and because they choose the most retarder (read: woman) person in the planet, Hillary.
Barnie should win but noooo he is white too :S

>>71030715
>I'm not saying they lean right wing

Then you just defeated your own argument. Nice job

>>71030712
Do you not get it? MOST people in the country think hardcore SJWs/leftists/feminists/BLM/etc. are annoying and disagree with them. Why do you think there's "triggered" memes and edgy nazi memes everywhere on the internet? Why do you think mainstream youtubers and TV shows constantly make fun of them? Ask the average 30-40 something year old in this country or hell even average college student what they think of those people and they'd probably say they disagree with them and make fun of them. They're just a vocal minority that has no real impact on anything.

>>71030715
That could just mean they're less authoritarian, not necessarily less left. Punk is founded on anti-authoritarianism.

>>71030769
Yeah but those people are the reason why a lot of young people are becoming more conservative early on.

The colleges blatantly push this shit on kids too. It's hard to avoid. If you're on a college campus being a republican/right wing is definitely counter culture. Outside of it, not as much.

>>71030765
not if you read past that.

>what is nuance

>>71030769
>mainstream TV makes fun of SJWs
no they make fun of trump supporters and call them fat stupid nascar loving rednecks

>>71030844
this is true. and their speech is more often disrupted.

i guess the marketplace of ideas as a foundation of classical liberalism doesn't translate to today's educational institutions

Republicans make shit music though

>>71030954
TV makes fun of everyone. Stop acting like a victim.

>Republicans control all aspects of government

>They are also counter culture

This doesn't make sense you deluded cuck

Republicans want to go back to the 50s.
The counter culture was about rebelling against the 50s.
The dominant culture in America is still WASP Anglo culture and the counter culture was rebelling against that. Republicans still advocate for that dominant culture.

>>71031145
why can't you just admit the only reason republicans can't be counter-cultural is because they're seen as uncool? we had 8 years of a democrat establishment elitist president after 8 years of a republican establishment elitist president. if you don't think the voters of trump were a major voice of dissatisfaction with the status quo, you're deluded

>>71031216
Counter culture won and became the establishment. The counter culture of the 60s were the boomers.

>>71031264
No the establishment stayed the establishment they just permitted a few ideas from counterculture to slip in and give the illusion of progress.

>>71031353
yeah JFK was so good he got shot. and LBJ was a pillar of the counterculture, right?

Bob Dylan didn't really democrats, and he didn't like the fact people called his songs at the time "protest songs". He actually didn't like it so much he tried everything he could to break away from it.

It's amazing how people called him the voice of a generation in the 60's and he literally wanted nothing to do with the title or the people. He went from a New York hipster to a redneck strapping himself to a tree with roots while people were bawling over Vietnam and muh "we shall over come" bullshit. Why? because people were trying to turn him into something he never wanted to be. They tries giving him awards. awards from the democratic party. he told them he won't be their nigger. and never wrote another left wing democratic song again. (besides hurricane, but that was different).

bottom line, both sides try their hardest to ruin music.

And please don't consider Dylan a face or voice of the left. It's insulting

>>71031593
Nice revisionism. You can like a musician who has different political opinions than you. You don't need to go through mental gymnastics to make believe they think exactly like you do in order to appreciate their music.

>>71031593
dylan's 'fuck everything you think about me' ethos was his best feature. i'm not a fan of his overly-literary references and high-art aesthetic on BoB, but i think you'd have to hate music to hate the immediate connection some of his songs have. i guess that's why he's cited as a reason rock n roll broke into punk

>>71031423
And america followed LBJ's ideals for ever after since? No of course not, society seesaws, lurches left and right, but things gradually settle and move in one direction adopting countercultural ideas once they are safely neutered.

>>71031824
bill clinton's policy was the best, and a lot of libs didn't like him. i guess that means fiscal conservatives are smarter?

>>71031721
mental gymnastics?
did you even read his book Chronicles Vol. 1?

>>71031744
Agreed. Except I love BoB

I'm a part of what some people call the "alt-right" and it feels punk as fuck. It feels like an actual counter culture, or rebellion against the PC culture that dominates American colleges.

>>71022514
>abortions are bad
>bombing terrorists is rad
>guns are great
>but don't ever masturbate

Jesus christ I'm scared of the upcoming music industry

>>71030434
He has a star on the Walk of Fame, how is he not Hollywood

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>>71028918
naw look at this political spectrum chart for the 2012 election. Obama and romney are both in the upper right quadrant

>>71032232
That chart says Obama and Trump are the same fuck off

>>71022978
>terrified of people with darker skin
Remember when Ben Carson ran for president, and he was a better republican candidate than Trump?

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>conservatives
>ever being a contributing part of the counterculture
>ever being a contributing part of culture
It's just whiny teenage boys """"rebelling""" against their yuppy, neo-liberal parents and social media-focused peers by becoming white nationalists, all for the sake of being edgy. It's basically the Fuck Bush crowd of the early 2000s, except promoting hate crimes and authoritarianism instead of not bombing brown people. They're lap-dog sycophants for ultra-wealthy masters who cry when Starbucks and pop stars don't respect their infantile political beliefs.

The best they're going to do for culture is anime avi Twitter accounts supporting Russian intervention and badly shoot YouTube videos switching between cringe-worthy, MDE-lite street comedy and hilariously ill-informed diatribes about shit they skimmed from Wikipedia articles. Never-mind any noteworthy musical output, the best conservative musicians tended to oppose fascism and oligarchs, so they don't even got that going for them.

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>>71022514
>dominated by old, religious, "family values" men
Wrong. Have been ignoring the "alt-right" movement? Memes aside, the term was coined for younger conservative people who don't adhere to old religious/traditional values.
>Refuse to leave their bumfuck towns in flyover country because they're terrified of people with darker skin
The Republican primaries were far more diverse than the democratic primaries. We're not racist. Only the left sees the world in black and white. We're not homophobic either. Our president openly supports homosexuality.

>>71032250
what?

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>>71022978
Praise Jesus. Abortion is not that great. Race exists. Statistics say a lot about racial averages.

Favorite album pic related.

>>71032372
>race exists
what kinda retarded shit?

>>71032232
>Obama
>Right
I'm sorry what?

>>71032277
>starbucks comes out against trump
>stocks go down
>underarmour comes out in defense of trump
>stocks go up

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>>71032406
he's left compared to the way the system currently is but overall he's pretty conservative

>>71032444
No, he's extremely progressive/globalist.
The idea that some people consider Obama conservative is fucking scary.

>>71032325
Trump would be at the same position Obama is at on that chart. In fact he might even be to the left a little bit.

>>71032424
the stock market has been really fun lately

>>71032395
Abbos and Swedes are totally the same dood Bill Nye told me so.

>>71032319
>who don't adhere to old religious/traditional values.
wrong.jpg we just go different ways.

>We're not racist.
>We're not homophobic either.
You completely misunderstand of the center-core of the new right. Heil Hitler.

>>71032499
My point is conservatism is the norm

>>71032424
The stock market is all based on estimations, gambles, and speculations. It's no way to actually gauge business strength and growth beyond stockholder returns, especially not when it comes day-to-day sales.

Hell, the entire market has been bullish as fuck since Trump got elected, insofar that the president can send both Boeing and Nordstrom tumbling with a few vaguely disparaging tweets. The stock market is simply a gamble on potential, now mixed with steroids as everyone figures out what the fuck is going to happen next.

>>71032406
The ACA is a capitalist, competition-based healthcare system. It's not truly nationalized. Obama didn't actually increase social spending. He kept the tax rate brackets consistent with inflation, kept the social programs we had, and incentivized clean energy development by offering corporations tax breaks.

At some point "keeping things working okay and not changing much" came to be called "progressive" and "blow the whole fucking thing up and hire rich dudes to make it over however the fuck they please" came to be called "conservative."

>>71032477
are you getting triggered?

>>71032567
Globism and socialism are bad.

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>>71032580
wew lad

>>71032580
100% agree but Obama wasn't a socialist at all.

>>71029493
The Clash.

>This is radio clash on pirate satelite
>crashing in your living room
>cashing in the (British) Bill of Rights

>>71032580
>I don't like it therefore it's bad
Go listen to merzbow you pleb

>>71032544
confidence in the economy stems directly to the president, especially this president. for someone so concerned about who owns us, you should know that CEOs pick presidents like vegas bookies pick football teams

>>71032264
Remember when American Republicans decided that they would rather have Trump than any of the "better" candidates?
>>71032535
I find it hilarious that there are large masses of retards on both sides of the political spectrum that don't understand the context of a phrase like "race is a social construct."

>>71032424
>nordstrom drops ivankas clothing line
>stocks rise
really making me think over here

>>71033082
yeah department stores have a huge impact. they drop every other decade like flies.

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What kind of music does Trump listen to?

>>71022514
they would have been if hillary won and the dems swept congress

>>71033172
Death grips

>>71029471
The Ramones

>>71032232
This chart is insane. In what way is Gary Johnson near completely right?

>>71032598
>implying he's wrong

>>>/pol/

>>71023250
this tbqqhfspbwmbihab2p

>>71022514
How about a Right Wing Counterculture that rejects the christian morals.

>>71023250
This is only true on /pol/. This describes no other parts of the internet.

How are SJWs boogeymen? Don't you remember the women's march?

I'm a fucking transhumanist.

>>71030150
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbinN8evQiU

>>71032232
This chart is retarded. Gary Johnson should be in the center and Obama should be lower down.

>>71032538
Are you trolling or retarded?

The Alt Right is Secular, while it does oppose cultural marxism due to it negative impact on western CULTURE.

>>71033172
http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/articles/e5e4572a-0676-4120-9eb3-d34bbea34836

>>71035218
>>>/hugbox/

>>71029471
The Ramones, Mojo Nixon, Misfits...

Neither the alt-right or liberals are counter culture. The real counter culture is extreme political views such as anarchism, fascism, Stalinist communism, and actual far right nationalists.

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>be righty gay

>attacked in red states cause im gay
>attacked in blue states cause im right-wing

JUST.

>>71037506
stop being gay
quit porn and go nofap

>>71037216
Ramones weren't right wing save for Johnny.

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>>71032642
>>71032642
>The Clash

>>71037506
kek, not only a faggot but also a rightwinger

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>>71037506
>sticking to a party

You fucked up.

>>71022978
yeah this.

how can you be "counter-culture" when you are in charge? because you're against SJWs?

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>>71022514
The nice thing about people who get labled "counter-culture" is that they don't go around exclaiming "I am counter culture!". Bob Dylan just wrote about what he felt, and got labeled "counter culture" after the fact.

Republicans thinking they are counter culture because they "don't think like the mainstream" is like people who think they are quirky because they watch Big Bang Theory

Republicans won and we'll be throwing cucks out the helicopters soon.

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>>71023250
Good post. Both are 2 sides of the same coin.

Fear mongering and hateful groups that do nothing but bitch and fight and get nothing done. Worst part is a majority people have taken their "party" as something they can't argue against regardless of it's morality and see it as a competition where they have to win regardless.

>>71022978
>>counterculture
>>own all three branches of government
well this was accurate in the 60s as well

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>>71037972
>JFK and LBJ
>Republican

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>>71038056
>thinking there's a difference

>>71037972

The 1960s was a completely different political enviornment. The Democrats still had a bunch of old southerners and the Republicans hadn't really solidified their base either. This is besides the point, because the 60s counterculture felt like the Democrats didn't represent them. The alternative right sucks trump's cock far too much for them to be anything close to what the old counterculture was.

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>>71022978
> this is what democrats actually believe
The next "counterculture" is not going to be some heavily political Punk, suburban white WOKE rap, edgy anti-SJW metal or some type of pro trump folk/indie.
It's going to be music that will be accesible and enjoyed by those of the "silent majority" who are also the people who complain about being in Le wrong generation or get angry about why today's music is shit and shallow. There may be a revival of conservative era rock n roll, shitty modern rock ballads, modern pro trump country for the actual right wing redneck neanderthals, 2000s era garage rock revival with non political themes and more of an observational point of view on global events like war (Black Lips Body Combat) or just reminiscing on the "free spirit" of the 60s like the Lemon Twigs, he'll maybe surf Punk will make it big, the right wing is heavy in enjoying the nostalgia

>>71036953
>Gary Johnson should be in the center
>Gary Johnson closer to Jill Stein than Mitt Romney
fuck outta here

Republicans already are the counter culture, just because they don't own the media that spotlights whatever fits their liberal narrative Music and TV are untouchable except something even larger is in the control of the """"alt right""", The Internet. Look at Pepe for example and how much of an impact it caused on CNN, Hilary Clinton RAGED A WAR AGAINST A FUCKING FROG, Rachael Maddow held an entire episode of her show focusing on Pepe, the ADL considered it hate speech. Now look at YouTube, idubbbztv has become the most popular topic after he told a white BLM YouTube to "saaayyy Nigger!" and after that PewDiePie is in a scandal after making anti Semitic jokes and people are defending him even though he doesn't mean them or not. Channels that post Pro Liberal and Anti White or Trump videos get downvoted to oblivion, have you seen the ratio on the "Dear White People" promo? Hell even Jontron came out as a conservative.

>Republicans
>Artistic
>Not cold ass businessmen with no love for art in any format whatsoever except the most mainstream shit

Yeah ok

Name me 5 good republican bands or musicians that have ever existed

Keyword: good

Right wing bands fucking suck asshole

The alt-right are bootlickers who will defend Daddy Trump no matter what he does. You're cheerleaders for the President and the Government you fucking faggots. You're like the exact opposite of counter culture or resistance.

>>71038840

That's already happening anyway you fucking mongoload, and it fucking sucks. Are you actually dumb enough not to recognize the inherent contradiction between "counterculture" and "silent majority"?

>>71024615
Every one wants to be the rebels, not the empire. No one realizes that both sides are roman.

>In the mid-1930s... left-wing composer Earl Robinson invited Lead Belly to play at Camp Unity, the [Communist Party]'s summer retreat. The first night, Lead Belly performed songs like "Ella Speed" and "Frankie and Albert" that featured gun-toting gamblers, cheating husbands, and murderous wives. "The camp was in an uproar," Robinson recalled. ''Arguments raged over whether to censure him, me, or both of us." Before the next performance, Robinson explained to Lead Belly that the party expected exemplars of the Negro race to express more high-minded sentiments. That night Lead Belly charmed the crowd with "Bourgeois Blues" and "Scottsboro Boys."
The more things change the more things stay the same

>>71038056
>>71038553
are you illiterate

>>71039140
The sad truth

>>71023250
This.

I've noticed that even YT comments have been swinging towards the right these days. It's pretty disconcerting.

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>>71023250
>the largest ideology on the planet (the altright)

>>71037071
so >>>/pol/

>>71039020
all that are reasons they aren't the counterculture ya dingus. they're literally just the culture, yet somehow they're also so oppressed at the same time according to them.