/classical/

>>70991050

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4EIx0XzPzg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyNmATgL7Cw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY0F8D6lIkA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA5K0pVC-yU

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Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w433wbM14Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jem-LgKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MU1T6uDXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s22fNJdICQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an77qFp0Y9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BSfYz4_Gbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xweAry37KUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOVF-33A9HI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqSAGwa49MM

why is /classical/ so dead?

>>70992451
dunno man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ibCFzF5djk

>tfw agreed to be music director of a production of Dido and Aeneas
>tfw not even had a single rehearsal yet and already regretting it

this might be the one that does me in lads

>>70992721
Why? Tell your uncle /mu/ while we grope you

/classical/ is not dead you retards just don't bump it

>>70993248
if you have to keep bumping it for it to stay alive, it's dead.

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who's a bigger hack, Stockhausen or Murail

>>70991472
Petzold, Stolzel, Telemann are the three "L's" of classical music

>>70993357

Stockhausen was actually crazy, therefore I'd say Murail.

What song are they playing here?
https://youtu.be/W5WNjrskIMM?t=2m30s

It's been stuck in my head for ages now and I can't recall its name.

>>70993596
At the 2 minutes 30 seconds mark.

>>70993596
promenade from pictures at an exhibition

>>70993643
Cheers mate!

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEiaic7P7zI

>Murail
Literally the worst spectralist

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What's the name of the piece which starts with ONE THING no but seriously, it starts with pic related.

>>70993863
WTC

>>70993871
I forgot the piece but you should know it unless you're a pleb/fag.

>>70993863
Oh fuck wait I fucked up, wait a second.

I'm gonna make a mashup of Modest Mussorgsky and Modest Mouse. Just try and stop me fuckboys.

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Fixed

>>70993976
And it's on the piano.

>>70994034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Gzy1hGDg0

>>70994182
Not much of a Cage fan but his etudes, including the Freeman etudes are some of my favorite.

>>70994182
What a pile of shit

Thank God Nancarrow and Ligeti came after this

What an absolute madman though

>>70993976
Prelude in c major wtc bk 1.

>>70993976
btw is that supposed to be an e (second note), looks like a d?

SAY IT WITH ME

IF THE NOTE IS ON THE LINE, _____ ____ ___ ____ ____

>>70994538
Petzold

JS Bach.
https://youtu.be/9Pw8cZy1vos
(underrated piece)

>>70994538
THEN I FEEL FINE

>>70994476
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXMVkQ70I88 is the one I meant but you helped me remember so thanks.

>>70994715
>born in 2017
>tfw you can't write music like this anymore without being ridiculed by every classical musician in the world

Truly born in the wrong generation

>>70994841
underageb& pls do not post here

>>70994841
>wanting to write music that's been done before by people 100x more talented than you'll ever be

jej

>>70993357
>>70993836
Explain, and why he's not as good as Grisey?

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>>70994900
>wanting to write music that's been done before by people 100
>m-muh progress in music is real and evident, right guys? r-right?

>>70994900
Not even Bach would agee with your greentext. You're truly corrupted by the 20th century avant-gards.

>>70994877
Not bait, I wish I could just compose beautiful music for the sake of it. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, yet doing so will make my works unsellable unless I dumb them down for the masses (and even then fame is more about marketing than music).
It sucks to be a trained composer in the 21st century, ther's no way around it.

>John Adams' birthday is in two days
What will you be listening to?

>>70995078
Mozart

>>70995078
Not John Adams

>>70995078
Petzold

>>70994715
.....but that is the prelude in c major from wtc bk 1... are you trying to troll me?

>>70995005
>>70995014
no one wants to hear a bunch of inferior rehashes
there'll never be another bach, beethoven, brahms, mozart, haydn, etc..
get over it

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>>70995391
>no one wants to hear a bunch of inferior rehashes
I do.
checkmate atheists

>>70995391
brahms is literally a rehash of viennese school classical

>>70995423
i can't tell if this photo has been edited

>>70995391
>>70995442
not saying he's inferior though.

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>>70995423
>mfw its literally impossible to imitate Monsuier D

>>70995452
top kek

P

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Seeping crest of turbidity. Arrogant vessel of lunacy! Boil forth and deny! Grow numb and flicker! Disrupt sleep! Crawling queen of iron! Eternally self-destructing doll of mud! Unite! Repulse! Fill with soil and know your own powerlessness!

Spectralism is boring

>>70996473
E

>>70997074
T

>>70997082
Z

>>70997105
O

>>70997186
R

>>70996500
are you an anime

>>70995078
Penderecki - Threnody

>>70991050

i've listened to Chopin's first ballade, and I've really enjoyed the last 3 minutes, but the middle part just disgusted me. What are some of his other pieces who resemble those last 3 minutes in mood and dynamics?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW5po_Z7YEs

>>70997939
>not being the version by Zimerman
>the middle part just disgusted me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR7eUSFsn28
Go listen to more music, kiddo. Maybe you can stop being a pleb that way.

>>70998086
I've actually listened only to the Zimerman version, I've just linked a random performance from youtube for the lazy anons

I've listened to the Rubinstein version now and I honestly don't understand why is he playing the last 30 seconds in that way, especially the scales and the low chords, but I don't know enough about Chopin to dispute that interpretation

>>70996500
was Janáček the biggest cuck composer?

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Who /baroque/ here?

>>70998376
Bibalbi was romantic you pleb.

>>70998376
True patrician reporting in: I can only listen to minor preludes from the WTC and the Art of Fugue, everything else (especially major pieces) bore me to death.

>>70998489
>1678-1741

romantics copied him

WTC = nice preludes + boring fugues

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>>70998376
yeet

Weird question: do composers actually hear music in their head? If I try I can only hear a echo (only 1 voice, usually the melodic line or some dynamic), but if I'm thinking about a song I've memorized I can abstractly imagine about all of the melodies and harmonies I'm not mentally singing.

Does my imagination just suck or is this the best humans can do? Can anyone here, for example, clearly mentally hear 2 melodic lines at once?

>>70998580
Yes but only from songs I have heard many times, I can't create 2 melodies and then play them at the same time.

Have you learned an instrument before? I am fairly certain me practicing french horn for 8 years helped my ability to do that.

>>70998707
I'm currently learning how to play the cello, prior to that I've only played guitar, but I've never studied it formally.
Does ear training helps with imagining music with more clarity?

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>>70998548
here's a Petzold monument

>>70998580
I'm a violinist, not a composer. But I can hear in my head, side-by-side all the different parts from this:

https://youtu.be/eqksy-991sI?t=5m51s

If only because I've been practicing it with an ensemble for a few months.

>>70998798
With side-by-side you mean that you hear all of them clearly at the same time?
Also can you do this only with pieces you know? Can you, for example, compose a invention in your head, or do you necessarly have to have memorized every note prior to imagining them?

Are there any good books to learn about conducting?
inb4 Google

>>70998763
I would say playing a instrument in general helps with hearing music in your head more clearly. The better I got, the easier it became to hear any song in my head before I played it, just by reading the sheet music.

What do you do when a composition isn't going well for you in the sense that you don't feel it is matching with your original vision? This is for uni and it is due pretty soon so I can't restart fresh also it has to be with a certain approach.

>>70999046
>conducting

is this the biggest meme in the classical music world? literally just waving a baton around and practicing with the orchestra while making pedantic declarations about a sections tone? the orchestra can play the music and set tempo by themselves because they're actually musicians. only failed musicians become conductors.

>>70999385

No matter how bad it is finish it, only then start polishing it. Coming with something that is new, sophisticated and authentic is hard, polishing something bad into a state of art is infinitely easier.

This is the more generic advice I could possibly give you, since you haven't told us what you're composing.

t. composer

>>70999606

Saying this only shows that you haven't ever seen a bad conductor. Lucky you, I guess.

A bad conductor will seriously fuck up the performance.

can you guys rec me some of your favorite pieces that are only voices? no other instruments, just sweet voices singing good melodies and harmonies.

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Somebody put me out of my misery, I'm starting to enjoy Schoenberg

>>70999663
Post a bad conductor (don't be cheeky pls)

>>70999625
Fair enough, that's kind of the approach i was trying and for the most part im done, just doubting myself i guess. It's a (tonal) serialist piece for piano and trumpet btw
>>70999958
All bach chorales, rachmanioff all night vigil

>>71000092
If you like his 12 tone stuff yeah you should probably off yourself, but stuff like verklarte nacht is fine.

how do i get into brahms?

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>>71000092
Don't be afraid; you just have begun to take the redpill on tonality, let it take you

>>70994922
He's simply not as tasteful or interesting. His music sounds more like Messiaen, Boulez and Stockhausen, plus some gimmicks, than his own individual voice. Both Grisey and Levinas have an interesting voice of their own; Murail is more juvenile in that sense.

>>71000130
karajan LOL

>>71000169
retard

>>71000336
Thank you, I like Murail but you explained why, without memes, why you don't like him

I'll try out Levinas right now

>>71000147
thanks so much! I was hearing bach a lot the past month, he is really a genius of harmony, is like he now the exact time to put every note in the paper. I will save your rec, thanks again

>>70999958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8-seWbkg_w

>>71000682
No problem, you might also want to try palestrina and gesualdo. Renaissance composers are great for that

>>70999663
>A conductor will seriously fuck up the performance.*

definitely
just leave the music to the musicians and maybe try to make it as a composer if you need work so badly

>>71000818
You still need someone to lead the orchestra and interpret things like tempi, dynamicsw, phrasing and so on. The conductor can also play an instrument if he wants

>>71000178
Piano Concertos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyivwj0NN4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOlPWcEdRIo
Chorale Preludes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGjBbSung88
Requiem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j5Z_oxSz5w

>>71000818
What's wrong, did yo fail your waving the pointy stick exam? Conductors are essential to coherent orchestral music and they are typically accomplished musicians as well

Bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_lnFKr58o0

>>70998908
Yes, all (pretty) clearly at once. I can only do it with pieces I know, or maybe with very simply melodies.

Give me a short melody to use in an adagio

What do I do if I find myself writing a piano concerto that doesn't use the piano enough

>>71001555
then its not a piano concerto

>>71001555
it can be a symphony/other kind of orchestral work with piano included as part of the orchestra

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>Haydn string quartet ear worm but can't remember which

gonna be a long day

>Schuber last 3 sonatas

They've just blown me away. I've only listened to his symphonies, and I always assumed that he was only able to write ultimate earworm surrounded by too much lyricism and academicism, instead I've got 3 sonatas worthy of Beethoven. I literally don't know what I could say about them, I'm amazed.

>>71003069
Wait until you listen to his last two quartets.

>>71003069
Only the Bb one is really great t.b.h, the C minor is good but too long and the A major is pretty forgettable

Is there anything by Dumitrescu worth listening to?

>>71000130
Dudamel

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>>71003807
>C Minor
>only good

>A major sonata
>Forgettable
>Andantino not being one of the most original, innovative and personal movements ever written by Schubert

They're all masterpieces, no late sonata deserves to be underrated in the slightest

>>71004084
depends on how much of a purist you are
this is particularly great, i think
https://www.discogs.com/Iancu-Dumitrescu-Untitled/release/423271
He's very prolific and you're going to feel like you've heard a lot of his stuff before, but a lot of it I think is great. If you like other Romanian spectral composers you're bound to like him too.
Ana-Maria Avram is also a surprisingly good composer in her own right, both of their electronic works I think are particularly undervalued

>>71004519
Andantino isn't that great

What are some pieces that are elegant to the point of sadness?

>>71004682
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lJsDvXd2V0E

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Did you think Berlioz really had a fart fetish the whole time?

>>71003807
>A Major
>Forgettable

The Rondo is like Im Fruhling (an already GOAT lieder) arranged and extended for solo piano

>>71006216
lied*

>>71006273
*Lied

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I find classical music really interesting but somewhat intimidating. Most of the stuff I find myself getting into is minimalism, but I'm quite interested in getting into more pre-20th century works from the Baroque, Classical and Romantic periods. Does anyone have any recommendations based on this list of pieces I like (pic related)? If it helps at all, in painting I like the Romantic period the most; I don't know if that will mean I'm likely to prefer Romantic period music as well or not.

Lent hasn't even begun but I'm listening to passion week music while rampantly shitposting on /int/. Please help.

>>71006640
What you listening to my man?

>>71004682
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xv-J7mqHUQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-C-iR2eUeQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz4t4ZWO3xA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IdoR4n7CIM

>>71006746

Haydn's Seven Last Words of Christ.

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>>71006640
are you a believer

>>71006784

not even close but if that shit inspires art i've got no quarrel

JS Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiIrtPemmBs

>>71007633
he probably stole it from Petzold anyway

Schubert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH_0WC6APsM

-WARNING: POST UNRELATED TO GENERAL TOPIC-

I'm trying to get into Josef Matthias Hauer but his body of work is huge and confusing. Any of you know where I should start? What are his most significant/interesting/essential compositions? What recordings would you recommend? Should I focus on piano works or orchestral works or are a handful of examples of each I should be paying attention to? You know, the whole "what's important" thing.

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>>71008706
Forgot pic for impact

>>70991050
>Murail
nice, OP

What does /classical/ think of Fischer, assuming you've heard of him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQRGpuot-zk

Here's a collection of 24 preludes and fugues that could be considered a precursor to Bach's WTC.

>>71008706
I didn't think the majority of his work was even recorded. Not an expert but I love most of what I've heard of his. Piano works like his etudes are usually the easiest way of hearing a new composer for me but then I only know a few of his orchestral works.

>>71008837
Yeah, piano works seem to be the ones that have been recorded the most, although there are some orchestral works out there. No continuity at all, though; it's not like Anton Webern where you've got OP. 1 to 31 in neat order and then everything else is just an optional bonus.

>>71008745
>What does /classical/ think of Fischer, assuming you've heard of him?
he sounds too French, whch is good from my perspective. Those puritan Germans needed an influence of exuberant Italian and excessive French cultures to excel, I believe.

>>71009109
What is german expressionism

>>71009117
I thought we were talking about the Baroque?

>>71009132
I meant to say that eventually it happened

>>71009142
probably because the 17-18th century Germans differed from the 20th century Germans.

>>71009169
Probably

>>71009109
Yeah supposedly he was heavily French influenced. Much lighter fugues than we're used to from Bach, Froberger and friends.

I might coin the affectionate nickname "Froby" JJ Frobie

so i read about some previously unreached amazonian tribe that did not show any preference to tonality it might be false but fuck shit fuck

>>71009375
>did not show any preference to tonality
pre-1600 Europe also did not show any preference to tonality

Anyone here alternates between classical guitar and piano? Do you play the guitar without nails, like this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB_NBJbYJZo ?

>ClassicFM just plays the same shit every day
>Radio 3 plays either endless opera or listenable avant garde 2deep4u shit

Fucks sake why can't there be an in-between.

>>71011310
why don't you listen youtube playlists

>>71011319
Can't do that in the car

>>71011405
Then buy CDs (or pirate them if you can't afford them).
Radio is the worst option you've got, especially if you want to listen to classical music.

>>71011482
Car has a cassette player, could buy a load of cheap classical cassettes.

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>>71011500
If you can find them, easier to use this and a phone.

>be an amateur composer
>enroll in the nearest conservatory
>start studying Schubert scores
>get as depressed as it gets

I thought that I was built for this profession, considering how easy it is for me to come out with music, but after having experienced true genius through Schubert's scores I don't have any trust left for my talent.

How do you guys deal with this dreadful feeling?

>>71011593
Don't compare yourself to others

>>71011628
It's very hard not to do so when you're studying other composers' scores 12 hours everyday for months.

>>71011649
Well then you're fucked and whatever you compose from now will be so heavily influenced by Schubert it won't be your talent.

>>71011593
If you could write as well as Schubert you could compose Schubert's 11th symphony and people would say "lol what is this shit, this is like 200 years out of date." You have to write what he couldn't.

>>71004668

>Andantino isn't that great
Expand on your opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhQAOfpYRu8

KEK

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>>71012143
Lost it

>mfw someone actually did this unironically

>>70999046
Anyone?

>>70999046
>>71012769
http://www.classical.net/music/books/conducting.php

Don't waste our thread bumps.

>>71012825
Petzold.

Petzold Bump

>>71006780
Try Macmillan's if you haven't heard them already.

>>71011310
It seems like you haven't actually listened to Radio 3
>>71012143
what a ride

>>71012143
weebs were a mistake

>>71013838
Christ I had to close it when the erlkonig started """"""singing""""""" what the fuck

japanese people are retards

>>71013886
stop using ableist terms

Why are you posting about computer-generated performances of Germany poetry set to music by an Austrian on an Indo-European voodoo portal instead of having multi-hour sex session with your qt gf this Valentine's day?

>>71014321
sorry. japanese people are mentally differently abled.

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>>71014392
>having a gf instead of spending your 20s practicing your instrumental skills and composing

Looks like someone here does not care about artistic immortality.

>>71014418
That's still ableist.
Most of us are stupid anyway, why should we disparage ourselves by identifying our inherent nature with a slander?

Don't say that asian people are retarded, say instead that their modern aesthetic is laughable and that their traditional sophistication has been lost in exchange for pathetic art targeted to teenagers.

Walther

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkKweNnkHfY

Who is your favourite film director /classical/?

>>71014706
Petzold

>>71014466
i was going ot say that they ahve a stupid aesthetic sense but changed my mind because i wanted the extra punch out of the word retard

>>71014706
Jean Renoir

Post good tenors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZb6a6wr_60

>>71015186
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUcyvuGqOXU

>>71015309
>tfw Schubert started studying fugues and counterpoint in 1827

Ffs, this is as unfair as it gets

Petzold.

>>71017110
this meme is getting petzOLD

>>71014166
Only thing able help me cope with these miserable couple of days surrounding valentine.

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>>70991050
One of those files has a password.

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Stop underrating Joseph Jongen

>>71019126
Well, I need to have heard of him first.

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Xenakis is just Ligeti but interesting

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>>71019126
Not as good as Josef Rheinberger

>>70991050
can anyone rec me some GOAT violin concertos? I'm in love with Joseph Bologne, Chevalier de Saint-Georges'

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>>71019166
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpuRwnR-lK4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUzQ6oESzPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3yHP9AdvL8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w46w5fz4wY8

Open yourself up to the god tier Dutch composer and the best Organ Concerto.

>>71019191
Xenakis is Ligeti but just new complexity
>>71019195
Rheinberger is amazing too desu

>>71019202
Beethoven, Berg, Stravinsky, Reger, Mendelssohn, Sibelius, Tchaikovsky, Goldmark, Gubaidulina, Conus, Britten, Gruber, Castelnuovo, Carter, Hartmann, Khachaturian, Lalo, Glazunov, Penderecki

>>71019254
>Dutch
He's Belgian my fault.

>>71012143
Kek is there one for Mondestrunken

>>71019300
>Glazunov
>Penderecki
>Reger
>Britten
not so fast

>>71019380
Brahms, Hindemith, Bacewicz, Szymanowski, Schoenberg, Henze, Norgard, Vasks, Adams, Kyr, Pettersson, Moszkowski

>>71019300
>>71019570
>no mention of Prokofiev
Also Szymanowski and Moszkowski are god tier

>>71018477
It's pippo9.

>>71019719
yeah just realized it few seconds after post

>>71019254
Really enjoying this composer, thank you for posting.

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>>71019300
>>71019570
>forgetting Bach, Bartok, and Salonen

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>>71020039
No problem lad

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Listen to Finzi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwcacWPOX5s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMukLZGaE0I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbyqP3JpV0E

Thoughts on Vieuxtemps?

>>71020258
Listen to Finzi.

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>>71020214
Enjoying this Clarinet Concerto so far. Good find lad

>>70998580
I can, but it took a lot of practice. I think if you play a monophonic instrument it'll be harder, but playing piano or guitar will let you practice audiation with much larger harmonies. The other thing is that eventually you've sort of exhausted the melodic possibilities, and some progressions are memorized.

The other thing you can do is have a general idea but not the complete sound, and go in and recreate it line-by-line. When I can't hear a harmony directly in my head I just arpeggiate it and listen for the notes I sing in my head.

I can't tell if this is sped up

https://www.instagram.com/p/BQdAsHJgs2e/

>>71020534
It's sped up retard learn to hear timbre

I want her to sit on my dick like that though

>>71020573
no it isn't
dumbo

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>>71020581
Yes it it doo doo head

>>71020534
I doubt it. It'd be rather embarrassing if THAT needed to be sped up.

>>71009965
I play without nails but I haven't really tried to play anything on keys for a while.

Why does Grove Music use Chopin's Polish name instead of the more common French?

Can i learn playing piano without a teacher (from books, internet etc.)?

>>71025295
>Can i learn playing piano
no

>>71025295
>Can i learn playing piano

I've seen people getting almost at a virtuoso level in their adulthood. You should notice that they usually practice 10+ hours daily, while guided by good tea-

>without a teacher
No.

Well, it depends on what do you mean for learning piano. Since you're here on /classical/ I'll assume that you want to play your favourite piano sonatas, in that sense no, you can't make it without a teacher.
You can still become a pop/jazz musician, though.

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This is very pretty, but it feels more like a really fantastic ambient record than art music. Is all of Glass' stuff this...poppy?

>>71025675
He just made that one for the money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBmJ13OtFSA

NICE

>>71025571
Not him, but why is it impossible for classical and not for pop/jazz?

Classical is mostly preparing yourself for building repertoire. Jazz (not really pop) is more knowing theory innately to be able to improvise. I would have thought a teacher would be far more essential for jazz than it would be for classical.

If you're just doing something as straightforward as learning a given piece, I don't see why you'll fail without a teacher, unless you're attempting to play Islamey or something ridiculous.

>>71025848
>Classical is mostly preparing yourself for building repertoire.

You're underestimating that preparation. You can either learn how to play a few pieces, or you can learn how to play all of them. For the latter you need a teacher, and you need it too even in the first case, unless you're willing to have a poor interpretation of these pieces.

You're also underestimating the amoung of scrutiny that everyone who knows better will apply to your playing. I guarantee you, everyone hates being an amateur: if you want to learn how to play piano learn it right.

Also consider that you're most likely in your 20s. Not only you need a teacher, but you need it more than every pianist you will meet in your lifetime. Your goal is already unrealistic as it is, if you refuse the best kind of learning process there is (1 on 1 lectures with good teachers) the situation will just get hopeless.

Why aren't you willing to hire one? Are you too poor for it?

>>71025911
I started playing piano again about 6 months ago (I'm 22), although I had lessons when I was like 11 for around a year. I have gotten into it pretty seriously again, most days I spend about 5 hours practicing and learning new pieces.

I certainly intend to get a teacher but honestly I'm kind of at a loss where to start and I probably don't have enough money. Sure there's plenty of teachers around but it's difficult to determine which ones are just fresh music graduates who are looking for some extra money on the side as opposed to serious teachers.

>>71025984
Serious teachers likely have a business website with their credentials and prices. Some teachers have policies about concerning their acceptance of adult students.

>>71025911
>You can either learn how to play a few pieces, or you can learn how to play all of them

This is such a perfect way of putting it. People generally overestimate how easy it is to play certain showpieces.

I met a guy in high school who could play a couple Chopin etudes (10-5, 10-12) and the Presto from the C#m Beethoven sonata among some smaller stuff despite having less than two years of piano experience. He didn't play any other instruments or have any prior musical instruction, he just signed up for a beginner piano elective on a whim and practiced. He didn't play particularly poorly, either. Some of the nuances especially regarding dynamics were lost but he could generally work through his pieces at tempo without stopping or making any egregious mistakes.

At first I thought he was just insanely talented, someone that was naturally good at what they did, but I've met more and more people like this over the years and I realize what shitty quasi-musicians they are compared to real prodigies.

Any teen/adult that's committed can split a piece they love into phrases, slowly memorize the individual notes and fingerings within each section, and then naturally develop tempo by working on it over a period of time. That is such an easy and straightforward approach, it works perfectly with the pieces I mentioned earlier since they're very structurally simple and full of repeating patterns. This won't work with pieces that are awkward under the fingers like 10-2 or 25-6 and pieces that are difficult to memorize due to lack of patterns.

Anyone that's motivated can learn Fantaisie-Impromptu in under two years. You're not special for doing that. Josef Lhevinne refers to such people as "musical parrots". They're usually abysmal sight-readers, take forever to learn new pieces, and often only learn excerpts because they're not good at memorizing lots of material due to holes in their instruction that will only become more and more difficult to patch as time goes on.

Petzold

>>71027424
Motivation is also an issue. Most people relax their standards too much when they're by themselves, or outright give up.

There are always easier ways to get pleasure.

I don't listen to classical too often and would like to get more into it, can someone rec me some composers/pieces? Some composers I really like rn are Bartok, Reich, Haas, and Rautavaara.

Why is it, that with the seemingly boundless potential that electronic music presents, that all the major works making use of these new techniques are either minimalist or near totally atonal/ serialist? Are there any really good composers working more around or below the level of harmonic ambiguity of someone like Debussy?
I just wanna hear Jeux done with synthesisers and samplers...

Wagner

How to get into Bartók? Once I went to a concert which had Bachianas Brasileiras 9, Bartók's Viola Concerto and Dvorak's 6th Symphony. (The only one I didn't like was Bartók's).

>>71029980
Max Richter

>>71032305
try this https://youtu.be/k46f7qqe5qc

Bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELCGJ7TZ03M

>tfw just contacted a piano virtuoso who lives near my house
>tfw he never give piano lessons, but after hearing me improvise he accepted me as a pupil
>tfw he already told me that through intensive practicing I can become a virtuoso in less than a decade

Fuck, my dream is now attainable.

>>71034067
>tfw he already told me that through intensive practicing I can become a virtuoso in less than a decade
Isn't that common sense?

>>71034242
Nope, I've asked the same question twice on this board and a few forums in the last 2 weeks and all of you guys told me that it is simply impossible.
Until yesterday I was sure that being this old meant that certain skills could not simply be developed, but apparently there is no reason to think so, especially if you're a financially free NEET who can practice all day long and can take daily lessons.

>>71034319
We are giving you disappointing advice for free. How much are you paying him to hear what you want to?

What's a good recording of L'incoronazione di Poppea

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI9nDGOfoOg

Post something gayer than this

protip: you can't

>>71036411
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu3X4VOBlNU

>>71036411
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGKZgAaokZE

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>>71036472
I'm in laughter and horror at the same time

>>71036411
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MbYQ0mpfY0

>>71036752
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmX18C3PBq0

>Scriabin could have done more nocturnes and less histrionic bang bang bullshit
What could have been..

Ravel's piano concertos are the fucking best

>>71037038
Lazy fuck only wrote 1 and a half piano concertos. Bartok's are better and he wrote double that.

>>71036472
holy shit

>>71036886
noone cared about nocturnes anymore because everyone including Scriabin was becoming sick of old romantics
>wanting to hear even more Chopin-esque nocturnes instead of this
wew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GEwho6Dbnc

>>71037105
>1 and a half piano concertos
I thought he wrote two?

>>71037628
His left hand concerto is a single one ese

>>71037688
>His left hand concerto
What happens if you just play it with both hands?

>>71036472
nice

It would be actually harder most of the time, since it's mostly scales.

>>71032305
Concerto for orchestra, 4th movement, then the rest

Then check out dances in a Bulgarian rhythm, and work through his string quartets from No.1 onwards.

My mind is costantly filled with music. Everytime I'm not studying, reading or talking with someone else I'll immediatly start thinking about music, and although it's poor when it comes to structure (since I'm improvising it and costantly changing themes and harmonies) it is (at least to me) extremely good and original.
I may be lacking in modesty but given the sheer amount of musical ideas I come up with effortessly and their sophistication (when compared to my favourite classical music) I'm pretty sure I have a tremendous gift.

Should I try studying composition in a conservatory, or should I do it by myself? What's the typical experience of a composition student?

>>71038359
People just won't stop askign this lol

>>71038544
This is literally my first post on /classical/

>>71038359
post it faget
>Should I try studying composition in a conservatory
no one deserves this kind of slow death of their creativity

>>71038359
>My mind is costantly filled with music. Everytime I'm not studying, reading or talking with someone else I'll immediatly start thinking about music, and although it's poor when it comes to structure (since I'm improvising it and costantly changing themes and harmonies) it is (at least to me) extremely good and original.

Hey, me too! I'm currently pursuing a physics degree but I'm still young enough that I could drop out and do music instead. How well does being a modern classical composer pay?

>>71038264
>recommending a single movement

What have we come to?

>>71038359
http://www.trade-schools.net/articles/trade-school-jobs.asp

>>71038612
Well it's not like you're gonna make much in physics anyway

>>71038612
>How well does being a modern classical composer pay?
0 $
and who will pay you?

>>71038580
I guess you aren't special after all :^)

>>71038627
Was about to ask why you hadn't posted yet

>>71038583
I never transcribe my musical ideas, I don't know how to do it in the first place and they're usually too complex to hack it put with a piano.
I often improvise with my piano, and althpugh I consider those improvisations good too, they're still to influenced by my poor technoque (I'm already working hard to fix it).

>>71038687
learn how to use a DAW and write down whatever you have in mind
>writing down sheet music
what century are we in, grampa

Petzold

just listened to this, it is very nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpYUaRg0aDw

>>71027424
>>71029420
Alright, most of these are fair observations. But why is this supposedly exclusive to piano (or other classical instruments)? There are plenty of highly successful people who taught themselves to play other instruments (obviously guitar is the most popular one to self-teach although I imagine there would be cases for almost every instrument). A lot of musicians regarded as the greatest of all time were completely self-taught. I don't see what makes classical piano so special, even if it is exceedingly hard, that anyone who attempts it on their own is doomed to fail.

I'm not trying to make excuses for reasons that I don't have a teacher as yet. I intend to get one within the next month. I just feel as though people sometimes act a little elitist when it comes to piano when at the end of the day it is just another instrument and another genre of music.

>>71038617
Its a good jumping off point. People often need a single good movement to convince them a composer is top tier. Plus concerto for orchestra starts incredibly slowly

>>71038612
>How well does being a modern classical composer pay?
not well at all. Unless you want to do film soundtracks and have limited creative freedom, even then its highly competitive and you need to be in the top 10% to actually make a living from it.

Nobody becomes a composer to get rich, at the very best you die with a house and some minor savings. At worst you die penniless. Either way you leave behind your oeuvre which should be the most important thing to you if you seriously want to be a composer.

>>71038687
get a DAW, improvise on a full size MIDI keyboard that with a good piano sound library, and hit record. Then your improvisations will be saved for later.

If you want to get serious, go study music theory and composition at college / university / academy level.

>>71035783
>>71036351
Is this really it?

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Who do you guys like better, Byrd or Cage?

>>71042170
>>71039662

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requesting pic related if anyone has it, just got into classical and I want to go through bach's works in order

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>>71042997
Have some highlights

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>meet someone who claims to be in to classical
>he starts talking about Hans Zimmer and Two Steps From Hell
>he's never heard of Eroica or Mozart's 17th concerto

>>71044117
>Hans Zimmer and Two Steps From Hell
technically this is modern classic
nothing wrong with that

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>>71044202
>nothing wrong with that

>>71044202
>modern classic
hah.
Hans zimmer isn't a trained composer, and Two Steps from hell is a production company, not a composer.

>>71044360
>trained composer
not an argument

>>71044246
fuck puristsd

>>71044360
>production company
producing modern classic
again, not an argument

>>71044436
The point is taht his music sucks, though.

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>>70991050
Just made this yesterday. Feel free to post this to /r/4chan

>>71044648
this is retarded

>>71044648
classic

Any recommended long form blogs on classical music?

>>71039691
bach is shit

>>71046178
no you

>>71040446
>But why is this supposedly exclusive to piano (or other classical instruments)?

Piano and violin are on their own league due to how high the standards are for these 2 instruments. People are used to listen to virtuosos, and people who know better are used to listen to virtuosos who actually study the score. You're not competing with Jimi Hendrix here, you're competing instead with people who have only played piano for their entire life, since they were 3. The bar is extremely high.

>There are plenty of highly successful people who taught themselves to play other instruments
Do some research on that. There are literally no self-taught classical virtuosos in the last 100 years. You literally won't find not even one single self-taught late starter who can play the Hammerlavier, or sight-read a Prokofiev concerto.
When it comes to guitar talent is key, and even with mediocre technique and theory you still have a chance in becoming somewhat famous. This won't ever happen in classical music. Becoming a great pianist is truly hard work, you really have to devote your entire life to the craft, there is no other way around.

>A lot of musicians regarded as the greatest of all time were completely self-taught.
Name one, and since you're not talking about Jazz be sure to name an actual classical or contemporary virtuoso.

>that anyone who attempts it on their own is doomed to fail.
That could work if you started when you were 3, but you're in your 20s. Not only you're extremely late to the game, to the point where most good teachers won't even accept you, but you also have no experience in piano pedagogy. You don't know how to structure your practice, you don't know what you should strive for nor what are the traps in piano practicing. Everything that is available to you (online courses) will be pure trash, and for a few years you will be 100% uncapable of knowing if you're actually practicing correctly.

>>71000178
His chamber music did it for me. Try the piano quintet

>>71047299
>no self-taught classical virtuosos in the last 100 years

He's had a teacher for a few years now but Lucas Debargue began playing by ear at age 11 and was completely self taught until he took a three year break from piano at 17.

He thoroughly impressed some people at a local festival shortly after he began playing again which landed him in touch with a well regarded teacher from Russia. Four years later he plays with an orchestra for the first time in his life and places fourth at the Tchaikovsky competition.

His Gaspard is great and he's pretty decent at improvising jazz, too. Four years of professional study and he goes on to receive worldwide acclaim at one of the biggest music competitions in the world. His story is incredible enough as it is but even in rare cases like that it goes to show that you can only get so far without a teacher. He is more talented than 99.9% of people that decide to play the piano, he can play virtuoso works like Prokofiev's third sonata entirely by ear, and yet even he fell short of five other pianists at that competition.

The classical piano literature is the toughest music ever written, significantly more difficult than the solo material for any other instrument with some works like the 1838 Liszt etudes being touted as physically unplayable as written by some of the greatest pianists alive.

You can fake it and get pretty far by self-teaching if you're committed, well past the point of non-musicians thinking you're good, but you're almost certainly going to find yourself hamstrung when you try to tackle certain pieces later on and it'll make all your efforts seem like a waste if piano was something you dedicated your life to.

I doubt anon wants to compete or pursue a career as a concert pianist. Doing that is 100% impossible if you begin in your 20s and don't study with a teacher. If he just wants to play for fun he might be fine but it's still going to be much more difficult if he doesn't get a good teacher.

Post your favourite adagios.

How the fuck do I start listening to classical music? I try to look up Webern or Schoenberg or whatever and it's all a bunch of "MUSIC TO CHILL OUT RELAX STUDY SLEEP TIME" bullshit.

How do I find the best performances?

>>71048099
Well, if you're not looking for relaxing study music, you're kind of fucked. That's why the likes of Schoenberg did all that 12 tone stuff in the first place.

>>71048099
Just go with Boulez's recordings

>>71048142
Thanks dude.

>>71048121
lol

>>71048142
This is a good rec. Obviously Boulez doesn't do everything the best all of the time but he's pretty great.
You'll find if you do a bit of research when you're looking up pieces you wanna hear, you'll see common names cropping up and get to know what sorts of recordings those people tend to do well. Like, Boulez is really fantastic at conducting more modern stuff but you might be better off going with Gardiner or Pinnock for baroque music.
Then you've got sonatas, small group stuff, concertos, etc. where you've got to think about individual players as well as maybe a conductor or orchestra and again, you just gotta find performances and performers that people are talking about, listen to em' see what you think and over time, figure out what you like.

Could someone please dump some classical charts for me?

>>71048091
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnfRA62Xv24

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>>71012143
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pngp6eD3IUY

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Stop listening to Opera

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>>71052736
nope

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>>71052782
Stop making music fag

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>>71052831
stop humming, asshole

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>>71052899
Stop struggling to make shit melodies sound good you deaf drunk

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