Who is the Tom Brady of music?

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>>70835273

>>70835273
there is no goat in music..

>>70835356
This

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>>70835366

>>70835356
First post gets it right

>>70835356
this

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>>70835356
>undisputable goat
>people will hate this comment because of how much they hate him
>even though they know it's true
accurate

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everything they do ranges from good to fantastic but they're both gigantic pricks and i wouldn't want to have to hold conversations with either of them

>>70835356
/thread

>>70835356
yup

should have ended it here

>>70835356
Pack up the thread, boys. It's over.

>>70835397
>goat on the cover
I get it

>>70835356
>both hated by media
>both great at what they do
>both loved by best president
3 for 3

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>best selling artists of all time
>most innovative popular musicians of all time
>most of the credit for said innovation and greatness actually goes to their producer George Martin, not the band themselves, similar to how most of the credit for the Patriots goes to Belicheat, not Tom
>People hate them literally for being this overall GOATest of GOATs of music to the extent where they start making up bullshit
>The literal GOATs in all objectively quantifiable measures

The Beatles is literally it.

>>70835356
He's just a meme with modern day hype. That's it. There's severe flaws in his music that can be measured, like brickwall production and his lack of rhythmically interesting rapping. Maybe the equivalent of a team like Steelers or a player like Ben Roethlisberger? Really good all around in general with a couple very glaring flaws that fuck them over in the end.

>>70835397
Choked on SMilE. Literally the Super Bowl Falcons of music.

>>70835467
Relies too much on gimmicks earlier in his career, then relies too much on more standard cliches after The Mothers Of Invention to be Patriots. He's more like the college football of music due to the weird formations college is more prone to using.

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>>70835886
na its kanye dude you missed the thread it ended already

nice try though

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>>70835886
>He's just a meme with modern day hype

>>70835886
The fact that...

>>70835886
is this autism?

>>70835356
came here to post this

>>70835356
Meme artist in a meme genre.

>>70835926
Not at all. Kanye gets too much hype love, whereas Beatles have actually backed up their hype.

>>70836031
He literally is. If you are someone who can release subpar junk like 808s, Yeezus, and TLOP and people will call it groundbreaking when it can be objectively proven to be otherwise, then yeah you're just a goddamn meme. Even more so when every record you make is fucking Rick Rubin style compressed, but not that punchy as a result.

>>70836241
This is literally proving my point.

>>70836432
Nope, maybe listen to more music and see the music fan culture here, on /rym/, read Scaruffi's shit, read up on what The Beatles actually did, etc.

Kanye's the more "fun" choice because muh current memes, but Beatles are the more obvious and more legitimate choice, and the hatred they get on here and other music forums for being overrated is the closest example of people hating The Patriots for being perfect that you'll ever see. Same with allegations of spygate/deflategate and whether or not The Beatles were true innovators in certain fields.

>>70835356
YEEZY YEEZY YEEZY

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>>70836657
>808s, Yeezus, and TLOP
>subpar junk
but that's wrong

>>70836712
>those three albums
>not filled with amazing ideas in between really dumb ones
This one makes another difference. The moment the Pats fuck up, the whole world is ready to shit on them. But the moment Kanye fucks up (at least musically in this case), people will still think it's the greatest thing ever done.

>>70836732
>the whole world is ready to shit on them
you mean like you're doing right now with Kanye?
>But the moment Kanye fucks up (at least musically in this case), people will still think it's the greatest thing ever done
oh wait never mind, apparently people don't do that

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>>70835356
>black
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. don't think so

>>70836780
this

>>70836732
besides memeruffi, no one really harps on the beatles faults

>>70836762
>you mean like you're doing right now with Kanye?
>oh wait never mind, apparently people don't do that
A far smaller minority shits on him when it comes to his music though. Even if we use this as an example, none of Yeezy's statements have jack shit on when Beatles compared themselves to Jesus.

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ok guys heres my working theory about tom brady

its all a scheme of tom bradys father to get rich

tom bradys "father" genetically modified tom to create the ultimate quarterback

then he got in contact with bush and had him take down the world trade center

this is why he named him tom

brady tom brady = bomb trady

he did this because in times of war, patriotism (and this football ratings) increase

this means more money for tom

and thus more money for toms dad

this is confirmed, because george bush senior was at the game to flip the coin

jason aldean

>>70836808
>none of Yeezy's statements have jack shit on when Beatles compared themselves to Jesus
the man literally called himself a god on Yeezus
>A far smaller minority shits on him when it comes to his music though
see this reaction image >>70836031 and think about how dumb you sound right now

>>70836807
>besides memeruffi, no one really harps on the beatles faults
A fuck ton more people than Kanye West ever pissed off when they compared themselves to Jesus. Look at how Beatles threads go here. Look at how people look at Beatles over on /rym/ here or the actual RYM site itself. Ask most kids in the world who didn't have white boy Beatles fan parents what the band sounds like. It's much more prevalent than you think.

>>70836835
>in times of war, football ratings increase
do americans really do this?

>>70836842
>the man literally called himself a god on Yeezus
And Beatles called themselves more important/relevant than God, plus got a lot more flak for it


>see this reaction image >>70836031 and think about how dumb you sound right now
Why don't you get your head out of your ass, and for once realize that there's more to the existence of what has happened in music than the 21st century? And I don't say this as some kind of lewronggeneration kid, but as someone who also takes into account what has happened before as well as what has happened today.

>>70836868
>Why don't you get your head out of your ass, and for once realize that there's more to the existence of what has happened in music than the 21st century? And I don't say this as some kind of lewronggeneration kid, but as someone who also takes into account what has happened before as well as what has happened today.
well why don't you get your head out of your ass and realize two important things:

1. This was predicted it would happen here >>70835460
Despite both of these people being the literal goats in their fields, people will still deny it either because they hate them or because they'd rather argue that someone else is the goat

2. The Beatles are a group of people. It would be more fair to say that John Lennon is Tom Brady (still not true), but your comparison is erroneous for that reason

This has nothing to do with lewronggeneration no matter what you might think, this has more to do with making a fair comparison, even taking into account past events

tldr Kanye is Tom Brady

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>>70835886
>muh real music

>>70836929
>Despite both of these people being the literal goats in their fields, people will still deny it either because they hate them or because they'd rather argue that someone else is the goat
Kanye hasn't sold the most albums. Kanye certainly is not as technical a rapper as other people in the field. Kanye has some relatively dense musical arrangements, but pales in comparison to the really ambitious attempts like De La Soul, Beastie Boys, and DJ Shadow. In no quantitative way is he ever considered the GOAT in his field except by sheer hype which has only proven historically to show otherwise.

>The Beatles are a group of people. It would be more fair to say that John Lennon is Tom Brady (still not true), but your comparison is erroneous for that reason
This is a bullshit argument as far more people are involved in making Kanye's work than The Beatles. Sure you can claim some bullshit like "b-but Kanye's the real mastermind!" but that still wouldn't match up with Brady, that's a quality more comparative to Belicheat.

>>70836986
>muh posting shitty memes instead of actually reading the topic
Here's your (You)

>>70837011
>Kanye hasn't sold the most albums
give it time, friend
>Kanye certainly is not as technical a rapper as other people in the field
and the beatles weren't technical musicians by many metrics, what's your point?
>Kanye has some relatively dense musical arrangements, but pales in comparison to the really ambitious attempts like De La Soul, Beastie Boys, and DJ Shadow
The Beatles have some relatively dense musical arrangements, but pale in comparison to really ambitious attempts like the Rolling Stones, Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart

In no quantitative way are the Beatles the GOAT in their field except by sheer hype which has only proven historically to show otherwise

>>70837045
>give it time, friend
It's been way over a decade, and he still hasn't come close to topping Em. It ain't happening now.

>and the beatles weren't technical musicians by many metrics, what's your point?
They made up for this by bringing a far larger variety of sounds and ideas.

>The Beatles have some relatively dense musical arrangements, but pale in comparison to really ambitious attempts like the Rolling Stones, Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart
None of those groups have even a close of the variety of sounds on a single record that Sgt Peppers does. Really, just go through each of their respective personnel list. Hell, A Day In Life alone has a larger arrangement than any track any of these other guys made.

>In no quantitative way are the Beatles the GOAT in their field except by sheer hype which has only proven historically to show otherwise
Except by the amount of records sold, the amount of innovations they have brought to the world of popular music, the variety of sounds/styles they have collectively incorporated in their music, the sheer amount of critical love despite the amount of shallow hate they get.

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>>70835884
>best president

>>70837135
>It's been way over a decade, and he still hasn't come close to topping Em. It ain't happening now.
again, give it time, these artists have all had head starts on ye
>They made up for this by bringing a far larger variety of sounds and ideas.
implying Kanye hasn't I suppose
>None of those groups have even a close of the variety of sounds on a single record that Sgt Peppers does. Really, just go through each of their respective personnel list. Hell, A Day In Life alone has a larger arrangement than any track any of these other guys made.
well that's just fucking wrong but I would expect nothing less from a Beatles stan
>Except by the amount of records sold, the amount of innovations they have brought to the world of popular music, the variety of sounds/styles they have collectively incorporated in their music, the sheer amount of critical love despite the amount of shallow hate they get.
no one is arguing they haven't done a lot for music, but what shallow hate do they get? They are easily one of the greatest groups of all time and the only people who hate them are autists on /mu/. Meanwhile, outside of dedicated fansites to ye, everybody hates him despite his contributions to rap that hold similar weight to those that the Beatles have contributed to pop music, same as how everyone hates Brady outside of the east coast. In fact, I would argue Kanye gets more critical love relative to the amount of hate he gets

face it kid, your comparison is flawed

>>70836851
I bulshitted that, but it could be true

http://www.si.com/thecauldron/2016/09/09/remembering-september-11-nfl-football-warfare
This seems sketchy, but kinda confrims

>>70837213
>again, give it time, these artists have all had head starts on ye
Em sold records at a far higher rate than Ye has. He won't be able to reach it.

>implying Kanye hasn't I suppose
No. Kanye's music for the most of it is very straightforward. So while he's got the sounds bit down to some extent (again, losing out mainly to the heavy sampler guys in the hip hop field like Beastie Boys, De La Soul, and DJ Shadow), he's kinda low on the ideas.

>well that's just fucking wrong but I would expect nothing less from a Beatles stan
Name a track by any of those with 52 different parts in it.

>no one is arguing they haven't done a lot for music, but what shallow hate do they get?
Did you just come here from /sp/ or some shit? If you aren't aware of the whole "Beatles are overrated and actually aren't that great" phenomenon that goes on in online music circles, nor the hatred so insane that they got for saying they are more important than Jesus that it was actually the reason that they stopped touring period, maybe you should be around and do more research on music/listen to more music. Kanye has never elicited this level of response from controversy.