/classical/

Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w433wbM14Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jem-LgKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MU1T6uDXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s22fNJdICQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an77qFp0Y9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BSfYz4_Gbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xweAry37KUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOVF-33A9HI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqSAGwa49MM

>>70804158
I don't understand this meme.

>Drug music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h84iZjKeq9w

How does Biggs compare to Leonhardt?

>>70804235
The joke is that a popular piece of music written by a composer named Christian Petzold was falsely attributed to the famous Johann Sebastian Bach for a very long time, so we facetiously suggest that Bach deliberately plagiarized Petzold, and that all of Bach's works are in fact attributable to him. Thus, we must keep everyone aware of Petzold, lest his genius fade into obscurity.

music, like a drug, is nothing more than entertainment commodity

>>70804325
both are dead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz4UvTJLrgg

why is /mu/ so cancerous nowadays, feels like reddit or someshit

>>70804443
4chan has always been reddit, even before reddit existed.

>>70804443
classical music discussion is better on reddit

>>70804473
It's also really slow and boring and doesn't have enough memes.

>>70804104
music and food cant be compared, they have way different attributes like fresh ingredients, cooking techniques, recipes. With music youre not following certain recipes really. Food people make things already made like burgers or pasta, so in music world that would be plagiarizing. And it could also change, are certain types of food better (burger<braised lamb?) or certain categories (lunch<desert?)...

>>70804637
A composition is a recipe, an interpretation/performance is someone actually cooking the food. The instruments are your ingredients.

>"Using music as a drug is stupid" Stockhausen
All best music combines exultation with intellect, so he was just another too edgy for you 20th century contrarian faggot.

Petzold

Any highly rated docus?

>>70805022
In Search of Mozart

>plebs don't know that dudes like Beethoven were occultists and merely transcribed music from higher dimensions and didn't compose it themselves at all

ASTRAL PLAGIARISTS

>>70805209
Petzold

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Thoughts on Sheku Kanneh-Mason?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6GJgOXBi2U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKfNp5LJDRA

What are Mozart's most underrated works and why are they the piano quartets?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBHOCulz9u4&index=1&list=PLoX49ywxsvyYXuKcm6Fi5mDyiWUWEIc1d

>>70805342
Probably because there are only 2 of them

>>70805342
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP7o3Q1lfII

>>70805342
>No views
wow never seen taht before on youtube o.0

>>70805421
It's common with autogenerated videos.

>>70805436
yeah it is just froma few days ago too apparently so it makes sense

>>70804443
>he fell for the 'reddit is worse than 4chan' meme

>>70805722
It is, but only marginally.

>>70804473
It definitely isn't. It's much easier to pretend that all the stupid shit said here is tongue-in-cheek than there.

>>70805937
Haha yeah exactly, all of the stupid shit I post in these threads is just a troll guys, please don't think I'm actually that dumb, pls.

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>>70805995

>>70804443
because clt left

>>70804443
real asnwer: because sdf left

>>70804443
Let's settle this at once:

http://www.strawpoll.me/12269595

http://www.strawpoll.me/12269595

http://www.strawpoll.me/12269595

https://youtu.be/hQVtHOc8kEk

You white boys wish you were this good.

>>70806684
Nigger, please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3OZLb2xyCU

>>70806684
>>70806762
In all seriousness, though, that was a pretty good rendition.

For a bunch of niggers.

>>70806684
Better than Karajan at least

Why is Bruckner so much better in slow-motion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXoappntul0

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>>70806870
Let's go slower.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRRclttgS1g

Which is the best symphony to get into Mahler?

>>70806943
Start chronologically.

>>70806943
1

>>70806943
1st then 8th

>>70806943
I'd say das lied von der erde, klemperer with ludwig and walter with ferrier are both fantastic versions with some of the best singing you'll ever hear
also the second and ninth seem to be the most popular overall?

>>70806943
Depends where you come from. I like all of them but the 8th and 7th.

>>70806953
>>70806957
>>70806969
Which is the best version to the 1st Symphony then? I always hear that Abbado, in general, is the best for Mahler.

>>70806994
Listen to the earliest recording.

>>70806912
That's what you call slow?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4eOU39-LWA

>>70807022
a 24 first movement is actually pretty standard though

What are the best Stockhausen works? I don't know almost anything about him and would like to listen to something on YT.

>>70807039
My bad, I was hasty. Didn't notice the recording is incomplete. Let's try again, I'll pay attention to more than just the runtime next time.

>>70807073
Gesang der Junglinge, Gruppen, Momente, Hymnen, Stimmung, Mantra

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>>70806994
http://www94.zippyshare.com/v/l2f55RKh/file.html

>>70806994
Ivan Fischer

>>70807073
They're all shit.

>>70806994
>Abbado, in general, is the best for Mahler.
>vomiting_madotsuki.png

>>70807421
Who are the best for Mahler?

>>70807642
me

>>70807682
Petzold.

Just listened to Ligeti - Aventures.

Pure pseudointellectual crap.

>>70807830
It's parody

What about Mahler's 2nd Symphony? Who should I listen to?

>>70808169
Listen to your heart.

>>70808169
klemperer the emperor

>>70808169
if you're just exploring the symphonies for the first time, then listen to whoever.

no point getting autistic about recordings until you've familiarized yourself with the pieces.

>>70808198
that's outright stupid, i hope you're trolling. hearing a shit performance of a piece can turn you off from it just as easily
is this your first day listening to classical music?

Which headphones are you bus boys using for your classical consumption?

Petzold

>>70808169
Tennstedt, Horenstien, Klemperer

>>70808229
he would be perfectly fine with grabbing whatever is in one of the mega links and going about his day

>>70808198
Should I just get every recording available and listen to all of them? That seems like it would take an eternity if I did that with every piece of music I listen to.

>>70808240
Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro 250ohm.

>>70808229
There's not a lot of shit performances on major labels, they might not be to your liking but they will fine for a newcomer.

>>70808278
No listen to a variety of music, not 100 of the same symphony. Save that for when you are more experienced.

>>70808276
I disagree. I thought Beethoven's Symphony no. 6 was boring shit for the longest time because I listened to Karajan, but when I finally listened to it again, this time conducted by Furtwangler, it felt like an awakening. So recordings do make a difference.

>>70808388
Thoughts on Karajan's interpretation of the 9th?

>>70808422
That one was probably fine, but I don't really remember. Sorry. Maybe someone else can respond.

>>70808388
i'm not saying that recordings don't make a difference, but merely that the perspective of those differences are shaped depending on the way you first hear the music. radical interpretations like a Furtwangler for instance are only "radical" by comparison to more "straight-laced" recordings. if you heard a Furtwangler recording first, you don't really have the proper context for what's different than a typical performance.

i remember Maria Callas used to say that whenever she was learning a piece, she would always take an extremely straight-laced approach with as few interpretive modifications that she could muster. then, later, she would adjust the piece more to her own interpretation.

i think a similar approach towards recording is fine. i know it's comforting to know that you're listening to a "good" version for your first time listening to a piece, but i think it's fine to listen to a Karajan or a Abbado to at least familiarize yourself with a piece. and if you think the music is interesting from what you heard you can explore more. just my opinion.

there are a few cases where an initial reception to the music is bad because of a flawed performance, but i can't say i've had too many of those personally. by the way, my first Beethoven 9 was Furtwangler's 1942 performance. when i heard other performances thereafter i thought people were just doing it wrong because the timpani wasn't being hammered.

Where to start with Zelenka?

>>70808574
You're right about perspective, but a good first impression always helps because it gets you excited about the music in the first place, making you want to listen to it again and again, along with different interpretations, as opposed to a bad first impression, which will leave you uninterested, possibly never listening to the piece again. I guess that's not the worst thing in the world, but it's always something you could have potentially loved that you were missing out on.

speaking of Furtwangler if any fans of his are interested, i've uploaded a BBC tribute of his from 1964.

it's a sort've perspective on the artist, containing eminiscences by musicians that performed under his direction with excerpted musical illustrations.

commentators are:
Vladimir Ashkenazy, Daniel Barenboim, Elisabeth Furtwangler, Szymon Goldberg, Berthold Goldschmidt, Eugene Goosens, Hans Keller, Rafael Kubelik, Walter Legge, Friede Leider, Paul Kletzki, Yehudi Menuhin, Gregor Piatigorsky, Elisabeth Schwarzkopf, Friedelind Wagner.

http://www111.zippyshare.com/v/i4HCMAv5/file.html

it's about 81 minutes long and has some fairly interesting tidbits. there's an especially amusing one about a row that Keller and Furt had regarding modern music.

>>70804443
>why is /mu/ so cancerous nowadays, feels like reddit or someshit
>nowadays
It's always been Reddit and Tumblr tier.

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>>70808627

>>70808574
Everyone talks about how great Furtwangler's 9ths are but they seem too slow at times and the percussion is too loud and drowns out the other sections.

Why is guitar the best instrument ever created? What makes it sound so much better than everything else?

>>70809073
slow at times, extremely fast in others. but that was his flexible and romantic style.

i must admit that he doesn't do my favorite 9ths either, but the 1943 performance is quite excellent. i'm not too big on his his post-war 9ths which seem a bit lacking to me, though they do solve that excessive percussion which you mention.

actually the percussion was likely an issue of the recording limitations of the time, his sound engineer in the war had some interesting things to say about his experiences with Furtwangler:

>Furtwängler always asked me if I had any comments to make. I remember once, when we recorded Beethoven's Ninth in Salzburg, he made the timpani play so loud I feared we wouldn't be able to record them faithfully.

>To the astonishment of my Austrian colleagues I went out onto the orchestra balcony to tell Furtwängler it just wasn't possible. They all trembled because they knew what Furtwängler was like. But they didn't know the extent to which he listened to my advice. He saw me standing up there and said: «I imagine that the timpani are much too loud again?» «Yes» I said and he: «but it is so beautiful». So I said: «All right, then». However, things were not easy with microphones in those days. One had to be very careful about dynamics. In fact, even the slightest overloading could cause not only distortion but even ruin the broadcast signal itself. So I had to be careful.

it could also just be due to tape damage. the ruskies treated those tapes like shit, as many have issues while others sound absolutely incredible for their time (the Bruckner 5th, for example)

>>70808627
This >>70809003 and capriccios

>>70808169
Ivan Fischer

>>70809119
It's too bad it isn't loud enough to play with orchestras but the silver lining of that is softer wood like cedar sound more pleasant, or "warmer."

>>70809395
What about this then? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye-FvKCZp3s

>>70809119
>>70809395
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7udClrQtmws

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vwuSNQT2Rg

>>70806943
With his first opus like you would with any composer.

r8 this baroque english song I found
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq9P1cKmzD8

I think it's pretty good, sounds like something Purcell could have written

>>70805209
Elaborate

>>70809119
The guitar is nice and all but it is lacking, there are better instruments in my opinion.

>>70810186
like what, harp?

>>70810199
The glockenspiel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfWBjxzXPsw

>>70806600
what the fuck is clt and sdf

>>70810634
nothing important

>>70810634
this >>70810642
just pick option 3

>>70810642
I dont know these memes yet ive only been her so long

>>70810659
well sdf is important, maybe the only thing that ever made these threads worth coming to

Stockhausen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYmMXB0e17E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMsPzuP8sXU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMvpb8b06H4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMDvbwBG6JU

Best recording of Elgar's cello concerto, op 85?

>>70811349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liAw0ebwOyg

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>>70811349

>>70811416
Man you know Du Pre gave Barbirolli the succ

>>70811349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV4Dm7aMYV8

What do you all think of this Menduhin recording?

What are some conductors who give the deserved love to the brass section?

Bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12kMoKgW2XM

bumping for a solo viola rec

>>70810681
>I dont know these memes yet ive only been her so long
You mean like 3 months?

>>70813384
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehPQ0-qY7_4

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>>70813384
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DU75qZCtYo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBKqt98l5cs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSPo-hq_E6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PY6dxJijvM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5iRYNmVUhE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY2qnci5X9g

Is this a good introduction to 20th century classical?
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/alimal/music-for-decades-1900-1980/

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Thoughts on Mendelssohn's Elias?

I know Max Richter isn't serious classical music but anyways do you like his meme composition? It's been used in a bunch of movies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVN1B-tUpgs

>>70813384
Bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJmstxfghvw

>>70814120
I'd add Villa Lobos to this list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxzP1XPCGJE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2_LDC-WQQ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mf3SQ3dVz8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3Mj6HBbvXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl9gARaZSow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5j9gYb4aI8

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>tfw only listened to renaissance and modern classical for almost two weeks

>>70815463
Keep listening to renaissance

>>70815519
ive been trying to listen to obscure renaissance composers, trying to understand and analyze them. Ive been going through a handful of recordings and repeated listens. Im starting to realize that alot of it is very academic

>>70815435
pretty good for brown people tier music

>>70815650
Read Palestrina and Fux

>>70815435
Little Train of Caipira always gets me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8oFe5bkeY

>>70815771
>Read Palestrina

oh /classical/...

goddamn warriors

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Rec me some milton babbitt please? I need it for "research" purposes...

>>70806473
but Dad was here two days ago https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S70789773

Did I do good?

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>>70817153
Forgot image

>>70810199
cello

>>70813470
How can anyone stand to listen to such mediocrity? Keep that "shredding" trash in rock concerts.

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Any more classical with hang drum?

>>70818580
oh forgot vid, found this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37R-hSSMxL0

Not putting your child into music lessons at an early age is child abuse. Should I sue my parents for years of neglect?

I really like noise and avant garden music, but I also enjoy dungeon synth, a black metal sub genre focused on "medieval" melodies and low production values (think early computer RPGs)

Recommend me some classical artists. If there's too much melody in my music I get annoyed.

>>70819364
http://www.stockhausen.org/ksadvice.html

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>>70819364
>avant garden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPdE01SoOBQ

>>70819417
>avant garden
lmao

>>70806600
clt sucks you fags, stop voting fo rhim

>>70819959
go to bed, clt

>>70814120
An opera from Richard Strauss should absolutely be there. I'd also add something by Janacek, Prokofiev, Carter, and maybe a few others, but there are really any number of things you could add. It's still fine as an introduction.

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>>70815463
Good.

>>70819364
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZazYFchLRI

>>70820071
This is great

>>70820039
what the hell is the lodge, pta, and the other stuff? Looks outdated af

>>70820119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y0NMLGriOs

>>70820135
Hell, soon you'll be asking what Planned Parenthood is.

>>70819364
i wanna visit an avant garden

>>70820179
hi grampa

>>70818580
Mozart

>>70806600
>Implying clt left
poly hasn't even posted ITT

>>70809559
goddamn that might just be the cutest piece of music i've ever heard

BUmp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SCMkrSb1k4

>>70820012
take out what?

>>70821982
I wouldn't take anything out.....(except the jazz)

Can anyone share Harnoncourt's 2004 Zurich staging of Fidelio?

>>70822110
3033076

>>70822110
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3033076

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rare Rosen

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tfw no job

https://clyp.it/xxedvwlf

>>70822153
Much appreciated.

>>70822015
added prokofiev

>>70822189
sounds very Bartok-esque

>>70822205
Good idea. He's one of my favorite composers.

>>70820135

PTA = Parents teacher association, right?
Lodge has to be Freemason Lodge kinda stuff, "Gentlemens Clubs".

>>70804443

No more bogposting + People unironically liking B*ch = Poop

>>70822189
very nice! is this yours?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux7i45GXgws
this video is the pinnacle of all art

>>70822933
no it's not

>>70817113
That's not even CLT, the last time he was here which was like 2 weeks ago he said that Africa/Brass is one of the greatest works of the late 20th century

>>70822189
Actually pretty good, not cringe at all!

>>70822877
It's Hanns Eisler, written for the film Kuhle Wampe (1932)

>>70817185

no

which of these 6 fugue expositions that I wrote yesterday is your favourite, /classical/?

https://clyp.it/lz4jher1
https://clyp.it/xwrmsw3v
https://clyp.it/camu1smp
https://clyp.it/wqnqctxu
https://clyp.it/leneyq4z
https://clyp.it/ysngdg2h

>>70824298
b&e

Sooo... what's up with Ludovico Einaudi? I've listened extensively to his music, and I find it truly touching, yet I costantly hear people saying that it's pop music.
Now, I have no experience with classical music. Are they wrong? Is there truly no merit in Einaudi's music?

Here's one of his pieces, Nuvole Bianche (White Clouds), tell me what you guys think about it, and why is it considered bad by elitist classical-heads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEOJQawykD0

>>70824298
What do you use to record?

>>70824504
overly repetitive, formally and harmonically simple, melodically very saccharine

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Literally the Jimmy Savile of classical music.

>>70811470
This guy. Anyone?

>>70824832
What's wrong with that? Why it's wrong if he does that but if Glass does it he's a genius?

>>70825329
i dont think anyone likes Glass here either

>>70825329
He at least uses weirder sounds, but most of the people in this thread will probably tell you that Glass is overrated anyway

>>70825362
>>70825380
these tbqhwyf

>>70825380
>>70825362

Eh, at this point I'm just sure you guys are just envious. I mean, on what basis can you say that a piece of music is ''bad'' or ''good''?

>>70825610
>I mean, on what basis can you say that a piece of music is ''bad'' or ''good''?
why are you on this board or even discussing music on the internet at all

>>70825610
nice b8

>>70825610
>it's wrong for people to have opinions

>>70825610
Did you come here to defend your favorite composers with good arguments for why you do or to use the same scapegoat over and over again because you can't?

>>70825610
i am definitely envious of Glass, i would love to be famous like him

but i am not envious of the music he produced in and of itself

>>70825684
I'll just say that I would not want to be so famous. Would probably be very stressful.

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>>70825610
>on what basis can you say that a piece of music is ''bad'' or ''good''?
This is some prime quality shitposting

>>70825766
you're one to talk faggot

>tfw Mahler never wrote a string quartet

Fuck, he's my favourite string composer.

>>70826239
Listen to Zemlinsky's quartets. It's the next best thing

>>70824531
Sibelius 7

>>70826676
Agreed. That's his best one.

>>70826277
what recordings should one start with in your opinion?

>>70827737
The LaSalle set was the first and many seem to consider them the best still.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7HIjZ0iChs
>Poland
>anonymous
>baroque
It's obviously a contemporary neo-baroque composition with inspirations taken from various other actual baroque composers.

Anyone here is hanging out in academia?
I'll start studying composition this September, but honestly I'm not interested in the slightest in composing avant-garde music.
I want to become a master of counterpoint, harmony and melody (wich I've already studied with private teachers for 6 years now) and write the most beautiful, complex and trascendental music of this century. It may sound a bit overly ambitious, but to be overly ambitious seems to me the only reasonable approach in this case. I don't see why I should strive for anythng less than what I've described, and I'll give my life to this goal.

Are there still prejudices against (neo)tonal music in academia and composition competitions? Will people just assume that I'm a pseud if I start trying to publish this music?

I personally dont care about fame and money (on the latter, I'm already set up, I'm pretty sure that I won't ever be poor in my life, regardless of my profession), but I'd hate to see my music disparaged only because I still want to stick with the tonal system.

For who is already integrated in academic circles: will this be a problem in my career?

Petzold

>>70828329
http://www.trade-schools.net/articles/trade-school-jobs.asp

>Telling someone not to go to music school
Give me ONE genius composer that was self-taught

>>70828753
Berlioz?

>>70828780
He said genius.

>>70828753
Jonny Greenwood

>>70828797
Yeah, that's why I added the question mark.

>>70828753
I will keep studying compositions regardless of what answer you guys will give me. I just want to have a sneak peak on what academia and composition competitions looks like from the inside.

>>70828753
me

>>70828753
Schoenberg

>>70828889
He wasn't self-taught. He also had the privilege to study with some of the best composers of his century.

>>70828753
Mussorgsky

>>70828753
Petzold

>>70828923
Charles Ives

>>70829038
Can't argue with that.

>>70828753
Telemann

>>70828753
>Not going to music itself

How do you objectively justify ranking Bach over Mozart and Beethoven without resorting to pointing out that he is older?

>>70829403
When you have actual, pure masters of the form it doesn't really make sense to compare them. Beethoven was the best at what he was doing, the same applies for Mozart and Bach.

That said, you could say that Bach is superior due to his massive repertoire and the sheer consistency of it. Beethoven and Mozart have written lots of perfect, absolute music, but they never even got close to the number of compositions composed by Bach.

Also both Beethoven and Mozart used lots of counterpoint in their later years, so you could compare them on that ground too, since counterpoint retain some sort of objectivity.

>>70829486
Mozart actually would have produced even more music than Bach had he lived as long.

>>70829574
FPTMIU

>>70829574
We can't know that for sure, since he died so young. Had he mantained his productivity (wich is not a certainity) yes, he could have produced as much music as Bach.

>>70829638
I agree, Mozart is extremely Uverrated.

>>70829647
There's certainly no indication that he would have stopped.

JC Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noe4qQEbeVg

>>70831224
Thanks for specifying the Bach.

CPE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x_ApGTEZXo&t=25s

>>70828329
No one?

>>70831400
No

>>70831400
>No one?
Shut the fuck up you fucking retard. The fact that no one replied means that no one gives a shit, and asking again won't change that fact.

>>70831735
Wow, rude.

Scarlatti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-iv-zFGxT8

phuture

>>70829248
To create good music you don't only have to be an expert at listening to it, but also an expert at crafting it. Most musicians only focus on one of the two, making them mediocre artists.

>>70831914
Petzold

>>70824973
true

>>70826277
zemlinsky is mediocre compared to mahler

Name a better cello sonata than Elliott Carter's.
Protip: you can't.

>>70833307
Tkae your pick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQqXBQaDf6U

>>70833307
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTl0j-NZvQ4

>>70804104
>Post music that alters your mood
All music alters the mood.

>and gives you pleasure much like a drug.
Mind relaxation is pleasure, so any music you enjoy.

>Is there something about classical that makes it more relistenable than popular music?
There's so much to learn from it.

>Is the immediate pleasure of popular music more valuable?
Not more valuable, but going back to your comfort zone is necessary for survival.

>Do you listen to both and consider classical superior?
I don't listen to both.

>Is fast food better than gourmet?
Gourmet is only appreciated by the finer palates.

>Are they equally good?
Of course not.

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Does anyone have a good place to get scores for contemporary composers? I'm trying to find Rautavaara's stuff but none of it will be public domain for decades.

>>70834468
pth, apollo, rut

>>70824298
>a
too much similair motion, not enough contrasting rhythm

>b
second voice sounds like its still the first voice when it enters. not very good

>c
slightly better, but still not enough contrasting rhythm. Voices should fill in each others gaps, not copy each other.

>d
not bad

>e
not bad, watch that rhythmic contrast

>f
The subject is kind of jarring, but at least it has a recognizable motif, that can be heard among the texture. Recognizable motifs are good

>>70828329
Only problem with this is you have to be at least on par with Bach (no mean feat), and have a unique voice. Good luck, dedicate your life to it and you might make progress.

>>70828753
Literally none

Recommend me history books.

Is there a specific edition of A History of Western Music that I should look for, or is it safe to go with the latest edition? I ask as I'm weary of politicised narratives.

>>70826239
he did write a piano quartet tho

;

Thoughts on Vagn Holmboe?

How do you guys follow operas not in english? What do you guys think of operas translated into english?

>>70837432
The story usually sucks anyway. Listen only for the music.

>>70837634
Having a general understanding of the plot is good, but generally I agree you don't need to understand the words. Exceptions would be comedies where you're missing out on some of the musical jokes if you can't associate with the libretto, so at least have a translation on hand. Not super important, though.
>>70837432

Thoughts on Wilhelm Stenhammar?

>>70824832

So textbook Classical music?

>>70829574

"Mozart died too late".

>>70837432
Subtitles or read a translation libretto alongside the original

>>70804443
yeah, even /mu/ has drastically declined the last few years

also
>4chan > reddit
>implying
not even joking

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>>70818809
I didn't start until age 11, have regretted it my entire musical career.
Feels bad.

>>70839590
At least you have a career.

Buxtehude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pwb4IaMBUk

Picchi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI9eIF8cYeU

>>70818809
don't most school at least have music lessons where you play hot cross buns on a recorder?

>>70804460
npbp

>>70831400
If you want your music to be recognized in academia, you don't necessarily have to write atonal music, you just have to write something that's unique. And I think that's going to be pretty hard writing in a form that was perfected 300 years ago, besides that, I'm sure that there are lots of neo-baroque/romantic composers that have been studying way longer than you and are a lot better than you.

But you're welcome to try

Cabezón

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ-5dpufBXo

Petzold

>Getting a bit into classical
>Listening to random renditions of random pieces by random assholes on Youtube
>Have no idea where to go from here
All I know is I liked a fair bit of Bach and Tchaikovsky but have barely looked around
I'm aware of the downloads in the OP but even that's a bit much at the moment

>>70843033
>>>>70842929

>>70843033
Listen to Mozart's operas, piano concertos and string quartets from no. 14 on.

>>70843123
k then

>>70843033
It is less about the names and more about the forms. If you liked symphonies listen to more symphonies by other composers, if you liked violin concertos listen to more violin concertos, etc.

>>70843033
Just keep listening to whatever. If you want a list of composers to listen to, try

Perotin
Machaut
Josquin
Palestrina
Gesualdo
Monteverdi
Vivaldi
Domenico Scarlatti
Handel
Bach
Haydn
Mozart
Beethoven
Rossini
Schubert
Berlioz
Mendelssohn
Schumann
Chopin
Liszt
Wagner
Verdi
Bruckner
Brahms
Saint-Saens
Mussorgsky
Tchaikovsky
Dvorak
Rimsky-Korsakov
Faure
Janacek
Puccini
Mahler
Debussy
Richard Strauss
Glazunov
Sibelius
Scriabin
Rachmaninoff
Schoenberg
Ravel
Bartok
Stravinsky
Webern
Berg
Prokofiev
Poulenc
Shostakovich
Messiaen

>>70843033
Look up this channel and just pick something to listen to. But listen to the very end of whatever you choose. Also take your time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqnIXqriuOs

>>70843033
Be aware that classical music is very focused on who is playing/conducting a given piece. Always pay attention to that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicalresources/comments/134ywt/where_do_i_begin_part_1_medieval_renaissance_and/

>>70843033
Petzold

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Is there anyone who plays continuo better than this guy?

>>70843679
me

>>70843679
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqSAGwa49MM

>>70843679
How does he rank against the rest of the Leonhardt pupils? I like them all, but Koopman seems to have the most recordings.

>>70843909
''Bach"


Petzold.

>>70843909
*shaky shaky dancing*

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Why is he so hated around here?
i know his music isn't particularly complex but it gets the job done.
I suspect the ones that talk shit about him only know his ballets and his piano concerto.

>>70828753
Elgar
Mussorgsky (the entire mighty handfull basically, Borodin, Balakirev, Rimsky-Korsakov)
Schoenberg
Berlioz

>>70844173
Hated on moo is a good indication of quality.

>>70844045
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ktw6bYVz_U

kek

>>70844430
You really like posting this video.

>>70843679
Andrea Marcon. His entire life is continuo.

beethoven is brahms but worse

>>70845667
Or... Brahms is Beethoven but better!

>>70845691
yeah that's more clear

>>70837432
>opera
>caring about the libretto

Where to start with messiaen?

>>70845667
brahms is beethoven for old ladies

>>70824973
what did he do?

>>70846171
Quartet for the End of Time and Turangalila Symphony

>>70846171
my ass

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I'm sketching a string trio. this is what the first minute sounds like

https://clyp.it/12yz1ybq

Any opinion on this? I would have posted it on /comp/, but apparently it won't ever come back.

>>70846733
is this adagio for retards

lol

>>70846171
DO NOT start with orchestral works, instead have major organ pieces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60pKTjSfLrQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwoXVpeNe48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUvA07KgUBQ

>>70846733
Lmao this fucking sucks lolol never post again please

Which books helped you the most to understand and appreciate music?

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>>70846890
>understand and appreciate music
?

>>70846733
quite nice
seems like you can't decide between more dissonant style and plain melodic folk-like modernism

>>70847123