why can't america make good electronic music?

>>70681904
too busy fucking their cousins, burning down mosques, smoking meth, smoking weed, shooting eachother and stealing from eachother.

>>70682483
whoa

>>70682483
Log off from your stolen computer, Pajeet

>>70682483
damn

>>70681904
america did at one point, chicago and detroit techno/acid house was amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeiH9Mm0E5Y

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>>70682483
>english fag calling Americans inbred

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americans make better electronic music than any other country

>>70682996
americans are great at making chill out feel good music like your pic. europe is better at making more intense and hard hitting shit.

>>70683041
i cant argue against that. some americans can make good intense stuff like kayzo, and some europeans make good chill out music like alesia

>>70682622
EDM is shit

>>70683125
wrong

>>70683141
it is
did you even hear that link he posted
it's not even music, just noise

>>70683162
that song he linked was shit, ill give you that

but 50% of edm is at least tolerable, 25% is excellent, and the other 25% is awful

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Will they tour in 2017?
>Daftendirektour 97
>Alive tour 07
>??? 17 ???

>>70683176
can you provide some edm that's better than "mr fingers" garbage?

>>70683216
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSooYPG-5Rg

ez

>>70682483
pls do not bully, this a social justice hugbox

>>70683238
wow this is amazeballs

>>70683360
nice sarcasm

most of what porter makes is very very good for an american

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>>70682483

>>70683277

>>70683422
>edm general

very good idea but unfortunately it wont get any replies

>>70681904
Americans were making good electronic music before Europeans.

>>70681904
we literally

invented

techno

>>70684192
Schaeffer and Halim weren't American though

>>70684233
>electronic music started in 1980

>>70684416
You wouldn't call it techno if it weren't for Juan Atkins.

>>70684440
And?

Electronic music started in the 1920s while he wasn't even sperm yet

>>70684416
>electronic music started in 1980
Electronic music existed long before the 80s, but America still invented techno and house

>>70684468
And?

If you want to go at it from that angle, Americans were hugely influential in the invention and development of the synthesizer.

>>70684486
How lovely for them

>>70684486
gay black EDM "styles" perpetuated by major label record executives
wow big whoop

It really doesn't make any sense to write Americans out of the history of electronic music, but I guess the eurotrash is willing to go through huge leaps in logic to create a narrative that feeds their anglo superiority complex. I guess it eases the pain of living in a shithole.

>>70684503
>from that angle

What do you mean? Look up any definition from Wikipedia, RYM, last.fm, Grove music encylopedia... "electronic music is all music produced electronically", what other angle is there?

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haha

>>70682483
you're actually right

Americans, just remember

the people shitting on techno and house are from /pol/ 9 times out of 10. See: >>70684546

Thank you Detroit for techno, nobody did it better

>>70681904
americans can't into subtlety, generally speaking

there has been very little good american music since the 70s

in electronic music, the ranking goes:

Germany > USA >>> United Kingdom

only entry-level IDM plebs disagree

>>70684755
lol

>>70684761
I personally like Detroit techno more than anything else, but yes UK edm is shit.

>>70684553
OK, so we're talking about music that is produced electronically. Again, Americans are the real pioneers, because we played the leading role in pioneering synthesizers.

>>70684761
>le electronic music is EDM or IDM meme

>>70684895
don't use "edm" you filthy american

>>70684936
That's the definition everywhere except this cesspool joke of a music board

>>70681904
Tycho and Emancipator alone are better than 90% of British electronic music

>>70684936
>helped make one instrument used by some artists
>we invented it all and are the best

Oh u Septics

>>70684963
edm is a real thing you fucking moron

>don't use electronic!
>don't use electronic dance music!
>you have to use the exact subgenres you're talking about rather than just using an umbrella term!

>>70684971
That's what I'm talking about right now. You're reading too much into my choice of the words "from that angle".

>>70684950

I rank Germany first in part because of people like Klaus Schulze, Edgar Froese, and Conrad Schnitzler. there is no assumption here that all electronic music is edm or idm

Thank you America for Moog!
Thank you America for techno!
Thank you America for house!

>>70682483
delet

>>70685020
Do you say "string music" and talk about rock, metal, punk, reggae, folk, funk, soul and flamenco at once?

>>70685020
say "electronic dance music" or "dance music".

"EDM" is a term that was invented very recently by American record labels to push their product of very generic cooke cutter trap and big room house.

You saw the same thing in the late 90s when the label "electronica" was used to help market acts like The Prodigy and Fatboy Slim in the states (who went on to have several Top 40 hits here)

>>70685058
You're welcome. I'd thank Europe for breaks, that was also kind of our idea considering the genre's hip-hop origins. At least you thought up chopping them up and speeding them up, that was creative.

>>70685056
Okay cool

Who made the first electronic music recording?

Schaeffer?

>>70685008
We invented the instruments and we invented the genres. All Europeans invented was taking ecstasy to our music.

>>70685140
I mean they spun several derivative genres out of what we had created by merging it with their own influences, but we set the building blocks.

>>70685140
Lol, so pathetic

>>70685170
I'm glad you mentioned that. It's worth noting that one of the major influences that the British combined with our music was dub. That wasn't a European native style either, they stole that one too, this time from the Jamaicans.

>>70685020
The EDM umbrella only appeared when the USA got into club music and didn't have a good enough understanding of rhythm or tempo to differentiate between dubstep/D&B/electro. Or were just fucking lazy lel

>>70685219
Like hip hop, started by a Jamaican making Jamaican music using Jamaican MC'ing... his parents just decided to move to the Bronx

>>70685232
>when the USA got into club music and didn't have a good enough understanding of rhythm or tempo
you mean in the 80's when Americans were literally doing "club music" before anyone else?

>>70685264
Jimmy Saville was doing club music with twin turntables in the UK in the 40s

Jamaicans were spinning electronic and dub tunes while Yanks were still on a comedown from Woodstock

>>70685264
Americans were doing it, but it was widely dismissed by a lot of people as being too gay and too black or weird "mechanical, computer" music (fallout from the disco backlash). With the exception of a few pop hits with house influences, American dance music was not accepted in the mainstream.

>>70683041
You got it completely backwards

Europe is based on tradition and puritan values, the UK has historically been one of the least malleable first world countries when it comes to anything boundary pushing.

The US on the other hand was founded on the premise of "fuck you" and it's laced into every aspect of their culture.

>>70685307
This

The ONLY good downtempo artist is Moby, the rest are all european

>>70685331
*only good American

>>70685304

>American dance music was not accepted in the mainstream.

considering only the worst type of electronic dance music ever went mainstream thats not a bad thing. or do you wanne be proud that crazy frog went number one in britbong land

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We make the best, always have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Babbitt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Tudor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_Arts_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Deutsch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moog
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton_Subotnick

In 1970, Miles came out with Bitches Brew, which you can say is the first notable "sampled album," as Miles and Maceo were cutting up and rearranging, not just editing, (their own) music.

This gave way to more Jazz musicians experimenting with electronics.

And how about a multichannel electronic album in 1975!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seastones

Then you have Philip Glass, Terry Riley, Steve Reich, Steve Roach, Mort Garson, eventually Detroit Techno, Turntablism, and Hip-Hop.

>>70685393
But why didn't you like techno house and electro? Why let hip hop go mainstream instead?

>>70685393
>do you wanne be proud that crazy frog went number one in britbong land
The uk charts are fucking weird. Like even My Bloody Valentine have had Top 40 hits.

>>70685438
>Why let hip hop go mainstream instead?
Tbf early hip-hop and electro were very much intertwined and had a brief period of mainstream success in the early 80s.

There's an interesting parelell between electro in the hip-hop style and electro that later developed alongside techno and the whole trap rap genre and latter "EDM" trap gene we have today.

>>70685487
Sure, but why did Public Enemy get so much love but not Underground Resistance?

>>70685513
Lyrics to sing along too.

>>70683216
you really don't like that mr fingers track? I love it, its a classic house song. how could you say it's just noise?

>>70685513
Public Enemy was more marketable to suburban America as well as the fact that they communicated their message/politics much more succinctly (vocally) than UR.

>>70685300
>Jimmy Saville was doing club music with twin turntables in the UK in the 40s

It's not like he was isolating drum breaks (maybe he was, but there's no evidence of that). Early DJs simply strung songs together.

Wasn't until Kool Herc looped breaks that modern DJing and Hip-Hip was born.

>>70685539
>>70685553
Makes sense. IDGAF about this whole US v UK bollocks, I just think it's interesting how the 2 countries just went different tangents with hip hop VS rave etc, yet starting with same ingredients of synthpop, disco, Jamaican immigration in each country and end up at the same place, yet different with EDM and dance music, hip hop and Grime.

>>70685572
Praise Herc

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>>70681904

All popular music is for tweens.

Art = trad > popular

It's funny seeing people who are into "house" and "techno" get their panties in a twist as if those styles are any more legitimate than the so-called """EDM""" trap and big room styles.

>>70686013
This includes rock/metal/punk, r&b/funk/soul, jazz, pop and hip hop.

Go spread the word in all threads my brother.

>>70685073
Why would I refer to it as just dance music when there is both acoustic dance music and electronic dance music (EDM). Just saying dance music makes the assumption that other genres like hip-hop aren't dance music when in fact hip-hop is most of what they play at the clubs (at least where I'm from). And besides, when someone says dance music I think of disco, funk, hip hop, salsa, cumbias, reggaeton, samba, and brazilian funk-carioca, etc. Throw in the electronic in there and then I think of other genres like synth funk, house, trance, etc.

>>70686321
Everyone knows hip hop is just another EDM genre like jungle.

>>70686013
ew