Folk Rock

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Sorry, I just love FJM

>>70586600
Name a worse way to post on 4chan

protip: you can't

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>>70586600

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done

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>>70586600
>>70586662
>simon and garfunkel
>over CSN(Y)
kill yourselves.

>>70586600
>folk rock
>good
pick one, OP

>>70586600
That's folk pop.

>>70586677
/thread

>>70587513
Please refer to:
>>70587524
>That's folk pop.

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>>70586600

>>70586687
Settle down man, that's not the CSNY spirit. I would agree with Deja Vu over Bookends, not sure about Bridge Over Troubled Water though. I would personally also suggest their first s/t ITT

>>70587513
Get a load of this edgelord

>>70586677
And
>>70587577
/thread

>>70587577
>>70586677

Ive never gotten into bob dylan. what record should I start with? I'm drunk and shopping on discogs right now.

>>70587683
>I'm drunk and shopping on discogs right now.
>Drunk
>Shopping
You might want to postpone that. On the other hand, I'd suggest starting chronologically. Highway 61 is my favorite though - It’s Alright, Ma (I’m Only Bleeding), Gates of Eden.

>>70587750
I love drunk shopping. I just buy random shit and it shows up randomly days to weeks later. Actually earlier I got a 45 of The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald I apparently ordered 2 weeks ago from Germany.

Its like surprise gift every couple weeks. I just ordered a VG+ copy of highway 61, hopefully Ill enjoy it.

>>70587750
Get these:
>The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan
>The Times They Are A-Changin'
>Another Side of Bob Dylan
>Bringing It All Back Home
>>70587750
Highway 61 Revisited and Bringing It All Back Home are my favorites.*

>>70587577
The thrill thatll getcha when you getcha picture on the cover of a rollin stoneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>70587880
lmao you are thinking of 'The Cover of the Rolling Stone' by Dr. Hook, not 'Like a Rolling Stone' hahahahaha

>>70587860
Blonde on Blonde is my personal favorite
it's a masterpiece

>>70587924
Bringing It All Back Home has It's Alright, Ma (I'm only Bleeding) and Gates of Eden on it. Highway 61 is has Like A Rolling Stone and Desolation Row. I can't really choose a favorite between those two. I think I should give Blonde on Blonde another listen though.

>>70587977
And even those are not the only tracks making those albums worth listening to. Dylan is just sublime.

>>70587977
Blonde on Blonde has Visions of Johanna and 4th Time Around.
Defiantly give it another listen, especially if you're a Dylan fan

>>70586659
I think so
>>70586662
Yep
>>70586677
I want to say yes, but it's so reliant on the lyrics. Sure, the words are literary and cryptic, but the music behind them is pretty basic, traditional folk. Which is fine, it's traditionally lyric-dominant music. But I personally value the actual music over the words. I mean, if the band wasn't there to fill it out it would be revealed to be pretty much a bunch of drawn out, 4 chord campfire ditties that are almost entirely dependent on his 2deep4u lyrics. Any Simon & Garfunkel album from Sounds of Silence onward is more musically interesting and adventurous. I guess I'm not a folk purist.
>>70586687
Yep, also their s/t
>>70587557
nah
>>70587577
nah

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>>70588087
I have original copies of Deja Vu and the s/t.

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>>70588127

>>70586600
me on the right

>>70588051
>Visions of Johanna
>4th Time Around
Those are my two favorite tracks also. They make listening to the entire album worthwhile for me. The simple song forms make the album drag a little by the end, although I will admit the last song is an honorable mention.

>>70588127
So do I. Let's pat each other on the back.

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>America
>America
>America

>>70588155
Go to bed Art.

>>70588170
well I was thinking we could talk about the amazing pacing of the albums, like when you flip to size 2 on the s/t and Wooden Ships blasts you and then it mellows out for a couple before drifting off to the center ring. Literally a perfect side B.

>>70588182
>AMURRICA
>FUKK YEAUH

>>70588182
So we bought a pack of cigarettes,
And Mrs. Wagner's pies,
And walked off
To look for America.
"Kathy", I said,
As we boarded a Greyhound in Pittsburgh,
Michigan seems like a dream to me now.

>>70588087
>2deep4u lyrics
I'm not sure that I should even take you seriously, but here it goes. You seem to have a problem with music being simplistic and raw and lyrically driven. I don't think that's a right way to look at it. I also enjoy ambient music, classical music, jazz, jazz fusion, blues,etc. and I expect almost none of those elements in Dylan's music. Take folk for what it is. And the notion of Simon & Garfunkel being more adventurous isn't really sincere, given that they made folk pop in their later career. I can't deny that Sound of Silence (song) for example is a great song, even though it's simplistic.

>>70588189
I agree, Side 2 has nothing but highlights. Oddly enough though, my two favorite tracks are on side 1 (Suite Judy Blue Eyes and Guinnevere).

Whose your favorite songwriter of CSN (excluding Young)? For me it's close between Stills and Crosby but I think I have to give it to Croz. Graham Nash wrote some great songs too, and had that golden tenor voice, but I think the other two were the (figuratively) heavier songwriters overall.

>>70588409
Yeah definitely Croz, but to be fair they all were pure talent.

My fave CSN ston is easily Suite Judy Blue Eyes, what a beautiful piece of music. And then it cuts to a song like Marrakesh Express? Its such a stark difference, but still fits.

Seriously their s/t is in my top 10 albums of all time.

Deja Vu is good too but I don't know if it holds up as a full album as well. with the s/t I can listen to it all the way through whenever, with deja I have to skip a bunch of songs.

>>70588237
They had a wider perspective and variety of musical influences though which is what I like the most. For example, side 1 of Bridge Over Troubled Water alone begins with a solemn piano ballad, then goes to a South American folk tune with native instrumentation, then to an uptempo strum along folk song, then an even more uptempo rock/r&b number with a horn section, and closing with a gentle bossa tune. I have yet to hear one album in Dylan's entire catalog that covers that much terrain. And that's not even taking the cold, hard, data into account. For instance, Paul Simon had a much more sophisticated sense of harmony and rhythm than Dylan. I'm a musician, if that helps you understand why I would value something like that. I generally prefer "musician's music" if you get my vibe.

>>70588452
I don't skip songs on Deja Vu, but it does feel a tad less consistent overall, and doesn't end as strong as their s/t. It's a little more top heavy imo.

>>70588588
I'm a musician too and I value innovation a great deal. I'm thoroughly opposed to bastardization of any genre by making it watered-down, sweet, safe, acceptable for the masses and something that it wasn't originally meant to be. I do acknowledge that there is popular music which isn't vapid and worth listening to, but I have a problem with taking it seriously and thinking of it as anything more than a product. I'm not saying that Simon & Garfunkel made pop music, but they made folk "acceptable" and inoffensive.

>>70588616
Also, I don't know about you, but I always chuckle a little on Almost Cut My Hair when he sings the line, "It was gettin, kinda long". It's borderline lazy, but it fits with the unkempt portrait Croz paints of himself in the song.

>>70588674
Since when was folk ever not acceptable or inoffensive? It had traditionally always been the music of the people, going back way beyond American folk music, beyond the dawn of written music even.

And in case you forgot, Dylan sang and wrote these kind of acceptable and inoffensive songs for the masses in his early career. Sure he was controversial also, but no more controversial than Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger before him. And maybe Paul Simon wasn't quite as socially conscious, but he had just as much depth.

But if you're trying to argue that Simon & Garfunkel is more of a commodity or lower art because of their "bastardization" of varying styles, then my jimmies are rustled. The influence and incorporation of different styles doesn't inherently water-down or commoditize music. It's often a genuine expression of creativity and passion for music as a whole, which I would argue is no exception for Simon & Garfunkel. It's merely coincidental that they rendered a different style more acceptable to the masses by way of fusing it with styles the listener already happens be familiar with. Whatever genre they touched, it was still always unquestionably them.

And since when is that a bad thing anyway? Especially if it's a style new to the listener, it can often be a good introduction to further exploration of the style in its original form.

>>70589117
>Sure he was controversial also, but no more controversial than Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger before him.
Pete Seeger was quite literally blacklisted for more than a decade, anon.

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>>70586600
Checkmate.

>>70589260
This. Woody Guthrie was considered far left wing. These people were considered subversive socialists, which isn't inaccurate.
"This Land Is Your Land" is literally an anti-colonialism song

>>70589117
In fact, if anything it was Dylan himself who made folk music NOT acceptable for the masses, when he stepped down from his pedestal as a voice of a generation to exclusively write cryptic, deeply personal songs.

>>70589117
Folk, at least the kind that Dylan, Guthrie and Seeger played had been seen as left-wing since the 40s by the time of Simon and Garfunkel. You might remember that the country had a hard pivot to the right during the 50s. Folk may not have been offensive musically but to imply that it was safe and something that the masses listened to on a regular basis is to be ignorant of the most basic facts of the movement.

>>70589260
Yes, but I merely said Dylan was NO MORE controversial than Seeger. Therefore I am still correct.

>>70589330
See >>70589117
>Since when was folk ever not acceptable or inoffensive?
You were blatantly wrong in your first sentence.

And the way you framed that sentence seemed to imply Guthrie and Seeger weren't controversial in the first place.

>>70589324
You're talking exclusively about the first and second folk revival movements of the 20th century. But folk music goes back to the original mountain songbook of Appalachia, black music, etc. And before that, verbal traditions passed down by common folk in virtually all cultures since at least Ancient Greece.

Even so, look at the extent to which those three figures affected the 20th century and tell me they weren't populist and for the masses.

>>70587683
You should start with Freewheelin' Bob Dylan and work your way up. You will understand how he went from straight forward protest singer to cryptic folk rock poet. Imo thats really important to understand about Bob Dylan

>>70586625
i was going to post this unironically

>>70589381
>You're talking exclusively about the first and second folk revival movements of the 20th century.
I am talking exclusively about the first and second folk revival movements because they're directly related to the folk that Dylan and (at first) Simon and Garfunkel played. You asked since when had folk music been seen in a such a way. Well, there's an easy answer for you right there.
>Even so, look at the extent to which those three figures affected the 20th century and tell me they weren't populist and for the masses.
The keyword I'm attacking is controversial. Sure they were for the masses, but a very certain mass, not just everyone and anyone. You can be populist and be controversial. See (sigh) last year's election.

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sorry, but it has to be pic related

>>70586662
YES

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there's only one right answer fags

>>70587557
not a folk rock album, but still eons above anything simon and garfunkel ever did

and s&g fuckin rule

>>70586600
BIABH shits on this

s&g are literal shit
pick any tim buckley album for a better canditate

>>70586677
Thank youuuuu

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first folk rock album best folk rock album

>>70591386
This

>>70586600
Holy shit, it's a Bookends thread! I've been obsessed with this album lately. It's got just about everything - timeless melodies, experimental production, lyrics that toe the line between profound and silly, fucking "America," and CONCISENESS--the album is only 29 minutes long.

>>70586625
He is still alive.

>>70586600
I think Glow pt2 (if that counts) is easily better.

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This and most of Tim Buckley's discography shits on the rest of Folk albums

Ray Lamontagne...God Willin' and the Creek Dont Rise

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>>70591386
/thread
also this Gene Clark/Gosdin Brs selftitled album is GOAT too