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FL studio, Pro Tools, Ableton or Logic Pro?

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FL studio, Pro Tools, Ableton or Logic Pro?
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Learning to play a REAL instrument you plen
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>>70575075
gonna' have to agree with this here
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>>70575075
why
because you should?
says who? for what purpose?
and why should they be heard?
>>70575064
depends entirely what you want to do
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Bump. Which is the best alternative for someone who has used Logic Pro but can't afford a new mac?
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>>70575293
fl studio

ableton is great for loops, but really too different from the logic setup

pro tools may also works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEUGilncRJs
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>>70575064
I use ProTools and a mac, it has it's pluses and minuses. I mostly use it to record bands live and mix them down later.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGYgxSggwuw
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>>70575064
Cubase on Atari ST
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>>70575064
I use Ableton and it's pretty good. IDK about Pro Tools, but FL Studio and Logic Pro are just as good from what I've heard and seen. >>70575075
>pleb
kys
Also, what the fuck, you can own a guitar and use a DAW at the same time.
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>>70575366
ableton has a completely different setup
it is has the least resemblance to all of the others
people won't know their eyes from their ass
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>>70575410
god DAMN
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>>70575342
Also, after scouring ebay for a while, I was able to find a used Mac for about 220$ and got the ProTools 11 license for about 130$. Add in the iLok for about 30$ and the transfer fee which was like 30$ if I recall correctly. So, just a touch over 400$ for the whole she-bang. Give or take, which isn't bad. Also, I only use the Mac for music, nothing else. I've already made many times that much selling board recordings to the bands I've mixed for.
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>>70575064
FL stude 4 begin
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>>70575466
eno would be proud
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>>70575522
Hell. I'm proud of myself. Music pays my rent.
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>>70575064
Ableton
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fl studio is babbys first DAW
fucc protools
ableton is good
never used logic but lots of my friends do, seems good but i hear it has a steeper learning curve than ableton
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>>70575075
Even if you know how to play a thousand instruments, you still need to be able to use a DAW nowadays.
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http://retrothing.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83452989a69e20120a942f7e5970b-pi
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FYI, ProTools newer versions, you have to either buy an annual license 99$ every year or a lifetime one for 300$, I think. That's what I heard from my friend who uses it, anyway. My version, 11, has an indefinite license, which never runs out, but I can't upgrade.
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>>70575612
really? can i hear it?
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>>70575064
If you're serious on music production go with Logic.
If you're a memer go with ableton.
If you don't care and want easy mode, go with FL Studio.
If you're a nerd go with pro tools.
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>>70575793
I don't have anything uploaded.
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>>70575857
yet it pays your rent? how?
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>>70575845
>If you're a memer go with ableton.
what do you mean by this?
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>>70575882
probably thinks
>edm=meme
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>>70575880
I have a pretty good PA system and do freelance live front of house, augmented by selling board mixes to the bands I run for and also by playing in bands.
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>>70575880
live shows, probably
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what about sony acid?
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>>70575938
>>70575941
oh wow that sounds amazing!
genre?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVubPOUBLyo

bad voice, good content
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Wheres the love for Reaper? Cheap DAW (and you technically don't have to pay for it, the trial never runs out) but very powerful and robust.
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>>70575899
all those dank 17 year old east European edm autists start on fl studio

pretty sure Martin Garrix did an interview with people after Animals and he showed off his arrangement on a pirated copy of FL Studio
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>>70575075
And how do you expect to record a real instrument without a DAW (other than an analog set-up)
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>>70576088
>current year
>not recording on 20 year+ antiquated technology
>not sacrificing the quality of your music for "indie low-fi" A E S T H E T I C

jokes on them, i just layer analog tape crackle on all my songs
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>>70575644
yeah i'm trying to learn logic atm and it's making me feel retarded.

Any good guides/videos are appreciated
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>>70575991
What ever pays. I get hired by bands and/or promoters. I do a shit ton of metal and HC shows. R&B, acoustic, funk. Rock, Whatever. This past weekend, I had a 7 band local metal show on Friday and I did a hippy jam B.O. and patchouli band. I do a lot of bands that are on club tours as well. Sometimes the tours have their own sound guy. Sometimes not. Either way, I get paid the same. I've gotten to run sound for a lot of fairly famous bands. Sometimes, I just get to crew. It's always fun but it is a lot of work.
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>>70576228
wish i knew, but everyone i know who uses logic learned shit by just endlessly fucking around with the program until they got good at it
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>>70576244
how did you get started? was it being in the right place, knowing the right people?
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Ableton is the best no question.
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>>70576315
Kind of. It just sort of snowballed. I was in a band and started to acquire gear because I got tired of giving half our money to a sound guy. Started small, picked up used stuff here and there. Prowled Craigslist and pawnshops. The used section at Guitar center online. From there, I started doing shows for local original bands in small clubs for little to no pay to hone my skills and learn the ropes. Caught the attention of better local bands, clubs and promoters, got better jobs, invested in more gear, did some local fests, caught the attention of the bigger promoters, bigger clubs, invested in better gear.........It took time. Trial and error. A lot of humping gear. All the money I made early on, I re- invested. Now, I have everything I need and the only money I spend is on gas/van repairs.
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>>70576494
terrific story, thank you
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>>70576494
This is solid advice anon, thank you. Where do yo live? I'm starting to get real serious about earing money with music but I live in a small mexican city and the dream seems far off seems people always want music for little or no money around here.
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>>70576542
Anytime. I really enjoy it. It's been worth it. It's a lot of work, but I love music and hanging around with musicians. I've met some really cool ones and some of the craziest assholes you would imagine. Show people are great fun, but some of them are really fucked up.
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>>70576583
I'm on the East Coast of the US.
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>>70576648
Small city though. 80,000 give or take.
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>>70576648
>>70576673
Still not bad. Maybe I'm just being lazy idk. But moving out of the country has been in my mind for a while. I think I'm wasting my talent here.
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>>70576696
I live in the country, but commute. I like to play in the city, but fuck living in one. People suck.
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>>70576755
That's true, I could move to the capital since there's waaay more musical activity going on there, but it's truly a shit city to live in. I guess I'll just be more active about it.

Thanks tho anon, and keep up the good work, you inspired me to keep going.
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>>70576789
Cool. You have to be motivated about it. Small steps, but keep moving forward all the time. You can do it.
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>>70576789
The work is out there. Someone has to do it. It might as well be you, Amigo.
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>take music tech and production back in high school
>all they teach is pro tools and garageband
>still can't play a real instrument
Is there any DAW on Windows that actually works or should I just give up and find a day job?
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>>70576832
Small steps, I gotta remember that constantly, thanks.

>>70576918
Yes! That's a statement that keeps me going!
>if you don't do it some unqualified shithead is gonna do it
Thank you anon.
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>>70576998
Just don't expect to make Kanye $$$ right out of the box. See if you can latch on to a local sound production company, learn from some pros. I pretty much learned on my own, but a little guidance early on would have saved me some hard lessons later.
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>>70577066
That's the thing that frustrates me, I'm already good at it. Started playing the guitar almost ten years ago, started getting into production for almost 5, went to a proper production school for 2 years. I've just been way to aspie my whole life so people in the scene don't know I exist.

At least I acknowledge that now so I can change it. I should really go out more and see what the universe has for me.
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>>70577139
Yeah. Sometimes it's scary and I feel like I'm in way over my head. Like when I get a booking for a band that I've been a fan of for years far in advance. I'll sit and freak out about it ahead of time and second guess myself, but it always turns out fine. Trust your instincts. If you have a good ear, that's 70% of the battle. The rest is just knowing where to go on the board to get what you want. Or more accurately, get rid of the sounds you don't need. Almost all of my EQs are pulling tones out of instruments rather than adding them. You have an advantage. I had no schooling and no coaching at all.
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>>70577139
Don't worry about being weird. Musicians in general, especially pros, are weird as fuck. They're just as aspie as you and me. Show people are screwy.
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>>70577239
It wasn't the best school and I wasn't the best student desu. But I've definitely learnt more stuff practicing than going to classes.

That tip about getting rid of frequencies is something I also discovered recently and I got pretty happy about it because my mixes are really starting to sound quite pro. In the past few days I totally got modal music and now I feel invincible theory-wise.

But the insecurity, man. It's something I've been struggling with for years. Only recently it has started to fade away and boy, does it feel good.

It's always good to talk to people going through the same path, it makes me feel that it's not something impossible to achieve. I can't wait for the day I start to work with artists I've been a fan of, I'm very proud of you anon, you're making it.

>>70577338
Yeah, I once saw that 1 in 68 people are aspie. That's a reeaaally high number. I'm starting to accept it and overcome it. It feels real good.
Thanks anon.
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>>70577396
Yeah. Working for bands that you've been a fan of is a rush for sure, but scary. Because you want them to like your work. I mostly get good reviews or indifference. Either is okay with me. I've never had anyone cuss me, thank God. But I've seen it happen. I went to the 4th of July show in my city a few years ago, and the lead singer of a very well known band that the city had hired stopped right in the middle of their biggest hit to bitch at the sound guy. It was my worst nightmare come true, I felt bad for the guy, but it was totally justified. The guy was fucking up. If nobody notices you, then you've done your job.
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>>70577589
>If nobody notices you, then you've done your job.
That's very true, and a bit sad, but it's also great when someone who knows his shit congratulates you for your work. Music is a demanding job but I couldn't be happier for working with it.
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>>70577787
I get enough accolades from those in the know. The work is it's own reward. And the money. Don't forget about that.
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>>70577923
kek, I'll be sure to start working on that, can't wait, really

I gotta leave anon, it was a good chat, thanks for it. Keep up the good work, cheers.
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Lmms is just as good as fl studio
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>>70577996
Good luck Amigo.
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>>70575845
>serious on music production go with logic
um, no
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>>70575064
i use ableton cause i found it to be really easy and intuitive, however i have never made something and not deleted it immediately after so that might mean something
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How come no one mentions Reason?
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>>70578405
It has all the tools and adaptability that you will ever need for making music, while being aesthetically pleasing.
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>>70575064
cubase is my favorite
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>>70578405
It's industry standard, the only competitor is Ableton and it comes down entirely to the studio and artists' direction.
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>>70575148
I play guitar, sing, and use fl studio. I can say without a doubt that FL studio is way harder than the others to learn and figure out how to use creatively.
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>>70576452
This.

For electronic music production and experimentation I have to say Ableton is the hot ticket. It lends itself to sample-based music. Robert Henke (Monolake) helped design some stuff, particularly the Max granulator.

I grew up using Logic and have completely stopped since I got Ableton. Though I will say that Logic's more recent flex audio is second to none. Logic is the right pick for commercial recording and audio engineering. For example, you can't even make a song that exports at a decent volume if you don't know about signal chains and proper use of dynamics/limiting.

Protools doesn't make sense to me outside of professional studio settings where they're using SSL and shit.

FL Studio is interesting-- I own that one too, but it simply didn't inspire me like Ableton. It seems like a lot of FL's workflow is based around a Roland-style step sequencer. While I love Roland machines, I don't like that mode of operation in a DAW.

IMO if you can get Ableton and great plugins like Waves, you're on top of the world
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Garageband
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>>70579007
people laugh but garageband is pretty powerful once you know how to use it fully

more than enough to send demos out/amateur publish
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>>70575466
good shit anon, making the rest of us bargain hunters proud
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>>70575064
Renoise
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>>70575644
i personally used garageband for like 2 years before jumping to logic, so it was less of a learning curve
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>>70579060
Of course, I'm plugging it in to my 2300$ digital mixing board, but I already had that before I bought the other stuff. .
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None. Reaper.

But if I had to choose one, Ableton.

But FL Studio is really out of the question.
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