/classical/

>>70528222
pedaling the last chord or prelude in c major (it's a bunch of boring arpeggios it needs it) seem fine but anything else sounds wrong

>>70528241
Wrong for what reason ?

>>70528303
it blurs the voices. maybe I shouldn't have said wrong, more like, bad

>>70528340
That's a fair point. One shouldn't bath Bach with pedaling. I agree with that.
Nevertheless, completely passing on pedal would also mean attempting to replicate the sound of a clavichord or cembalo which raises the question why anyone should even bother playing Bach on the piano in the first place.
If used cautiously I think the pedal can add a different and subtle color to his music. Just as you stated with those arpeggios.

>>70528465
correct me if I'm wrong here, but the clavichord has less of a dynamic range than the piano and a much drier timbre. so not utilizing the pedal while playing Bach on piano would still give you the advantage of greater dynamic range and (in my opinion) better timbre.

I'm open to pedaling Bach but I have a hard time thinking of moments where pedaling would benefit the piece. could you link me a performance that shows tasteful pedaling?

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Is this good counterpoint? Is it promising?
Very new to composing.

>>70528528
what stands out to me is that you have some pretty big leaps. in the top treble cleff in the first measure, it leaps a major ninth, which is pretty big. then you have an octave leap in the (alto)? voice in the third measure

is this supposed to be STAB writing? I'm kind of confused

>>70528465
The big thing that makes piano the best keyboard is the ability to play different notes at once with different dynamics, so you can play the fugue subject louder to make it stand out. Don't need any other reason than that to pick the instrument.
The big man wrote lots of ties to lengthen specific notes. If you plan out your fingering then you should be holding one down most of the time, so pedaling just adds noise. It's not actually supposed to be played all staccato.

>>70528513
>>70528635
It definitely benefits the piece whenever playing legato is not possible.
>could you link me a performance that shows tasteful pedaling?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BC9fWwvI7g

>>70528596
I haven't actually thought about that yet. Do you think it's worth something? Thanks for the feedback btw

not enough contrary motion at a glance, looks like voices mostly follow each other up and down with some meandering
didn't do any math tho

>>70528635
>The big man wrote lots of ties to lengthen specific notes. If you plan out your fingering then you should be holding one down most of the time
In theory yes. No arguing about that. And one should definitely try binding that way. Even with Beethoven.
But with small female korean hands it won't always work out that way.
Therefor having to compromise with the pedal will benefit the piece/your own play. Of course if used for only a split second.

>>70528808
Do you ever use the middle sostenuto pedal? It's usually forgotten that it exists at all but it happens to be perfect for this music. If we include that as pedaling then nobody should be against it.

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Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w433wbM14Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jem-LgKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MU1T6uDXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s22fNJdICQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an77qFp0Y9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BSfYz4_Gbg

>>70529006
Rarely. My teachers old restored grotrian-steinweg piano doesn't have one which is why I avoid it on my practice instrument. But I agree. It complements especially Bachs music and I would definitely include it as pedaling.
In my opinion it would be used for the same objective as the sustain pedal though.
Did you experiment with it ? Or in general with pedaling for Bach ?

>>70529457
I didn't even bother buying a middle pedal for my digital piano. I just use the damper, honestly. But I mentioned it since the anti-pedaling sperglord, Andras Schiff, said he uses it to play what's presumed to be organ notes in the bass because nobody's hands stretch far enough.

>>70529457
>>70529643
Any suggestion which Bach piece I should study now?
As for my level of playing I just recently learned BWV 881 prelude

>>70529696
>BWV 881 prelude
Don't you want to finish the beautiful fugue ?

>>70529696
E major. There's a video to get you hyped.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFOqX3JGERo

>>70529916
I don't know, most of the times fugues are pretty hard.

>>70530088
thanks will take a look at this

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmm1kC_fAaU

>>70530153
>I don't know, most of the times fugues are pretty hard
It's like planing out a nice lovely dinner for yourself but stopping the process of cooking right after finishing the side dish.
If you managed the prelude go for the fugue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJaXP49YQ5s

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Who helse here is glad that John Cage is dead?

>>70530496
I want to know what this meme it because it looks exactly like me when I was 12

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Does /classical/ have some fond nostalgic music related memories ?


Some complementing pieces for the feels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI7s-c7k3So&list=PLD9EEA6827C3A4DB0&index=199&t=584s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Wcg6FZyHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlQsfSdIomk&list=PLD9EEA6827C3A4DB0&index=158
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9ajvCwPBB4&list=PLD9EEA6827C3A4DB0&index=50

>>70530673
Only embarrassingly triggered people who hate art and only like entertainment are glad of that.

>>70530673
Only embarrassingly triggered people who hate art and only like entertainment aren't glad of that.

>>70528222
Pedalling is meddling

>>70528222
I went to the Bachhaus at Eisenach and the head honcho of the place spent about 30 minutes going on about why you shouldn't use pedal for Bach.

>>70530698
Well it's quoting a movement of Tippett's A Child of our Time which is about a Jewish immigrant who killed a Nazi official in Paris. So there's a start

>yfw

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=_Ka289l3W0Q&video_start=0&audio=k-Tw1sqzkfk&audio_start=6

>>70531065
My aunt could ramble for 40 minutes on about why there's no legitimate reason for not using the pedal. Checkmate.
Jokes aside. Do you remember anything what he has said during his 30 minute monologue ?

Do many of your friends like classical music or is it something you enjoy mostly alone? Would you like more people to appreciate classical music? Do you go to concerts often? Would you like to make a living out of music? Do you compose or play an instrument for a living? Have you tailored your lifestyle to spend more time around music and musicians? What are your music-related goals? Do you think they're sensible?

Looks like Tormis died yesterday. That's a shame

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huQ_OcKwGwA

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>>70531255

>>70531394
The talk was mostly focused on the various historical keyboard instruments they had in the museum (a few chamber organs, a spinet and a copy of a harpsichord made by Bach's favourite harpsichord maker).

From what I remember, he was at his smuggest, anti-pedal when talking about the clavichord and how Bach had one which he did a lot of his composing on, before pointing out that because of its construction you can't sustain notes. I'm probably misremembering it somewhat, but it was along those lines.

Cool place though.

>>70531443
>Do many of your friends like classical music or is it something you enjoy mostly alone?
Alone
>Would you like more people to appreciate classical music?
Yes
>Do you go to concerts often?
Where I live that isn't easily accessible
>Would you like to make a living out of music?
No
>Do you compose or play an instrument for a living?
No

>>70531469
RIP, very beautiful choral composer

>>70531596
I can imagine on what it boiled down.
>Cool place though
Definitely ! I'll go there sometime around the summer next year.

Did you have the chance to try any of the instruments yourself ?

Bumping with Nietzsche https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glOOIwGglRg

What are you favorite musicals /classical/?

>>70532573
Never bothered with musicals.
Which ones would you recommend ?

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It's Henri Dutilleux's birthday today.
What're you gonna listen to?

>>70532930
clair de lune

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>>70532930
Boulez because Dutilleux is ersatz shit for sub-70 IQ mouth-breathers.

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You'll never get to heaven if you're scared of getting high.

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>>70528222
rate my music please?
https://clyp.it/1k0j1lyz

>>70534256
I liked how you played with the texture including and excluding the lowers voices from some passages. My only comment was that I didn't hear much thematic material or melody.

>>70530854
>Cage
>high art
Try again mate.

>>70532772
Shrek the Musical, unironically

>>70534256
>https://clyp.it/1k0j1lyz
Those triplets at the beginning sound out of place
You might want to do something about 1:40, too.
Also what this anon said >>70534507

>>70532573
next to normal is probably my favorite

Bach's day job was an organist, so I'm gonna have to go with a yes on the pedaling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYinRNy3llA

>>70534911
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMRzGjqXChs

>>70534991
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r30D3SW4OVw

>>70533820
Further proof that Dutilleux is underrated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOgqAgRpxdM

>>70535012
why?

>>70533820
this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl6_aJU0S4M
Any thoughts on Liszts symphony transcriptions ?
Any transcription you'd like to play yourself ?

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>>70535012
>tfw Debussy had the better orchestral works, but Ravel had the better piano work during the 1900's

Ravel's orchestra oeuvre sucks compared to his contemporaries like Delius, Roussel, Ives Bartok and Stravinsky

>>70536121
What are you talking about, Ravel was an actual master of Orchestration. I'm not overrating him if I say that he was one of the best ones in the entire century.

>>70536121
Delius is shit though

>>70535561
I've learned some of them years ago, I've read the scores again a few months ago.
The symphonies transcriptions are perfect, it doesn't get better than that.

>>70536121
Honestly haven't listened that much too ravel, but daphnis et chloe is one of my favorite orchestral pieces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYNlYMvFA5U

But I agree with you cus debussy is my favorite composer and his orchestration is brilliant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUlZylqILKI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iSKNthmboA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOCucJw7iT8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYyK922PsUw

>>70536154
I said the Quality of orchestral works not the technical aspects themselves

I don't find his works as good as those I mentioned above

La mer, Song of the Nightingale, The Spiders Feast, Bartok's Concerto, and Central Park in the Dark are all better than Daphnis et Chloe, or the Spanish Rhapsody
>>70536165
Wrong m8

>>70536252
Nah m8 Delius licks my poop

>>70536278
You lick Delius's poop m8

>>70536226
The Second movement of La mer is one of the most perfect things in existence. I wouldn't hesitate to put it next to Beethoven, Bach, or Brahms finest movements

>>70536288
Nu-uh

>>70536381
Digits say so m8

>>70536192
Just out of interest : What are you currently working on ?

>>70536435
Dubs are weak

>>70536441
I'm currently memorizing Scarlatti sonatas for a conservatory recital while studying lots of harmony theory.

>>70536252
What about his G Major Concerto, Le Tombeau de Couperin, Valses Nobles et Sentimentales and minor works like Menuet Antique or Rapsodie Espagnole?
You may like some of these less than the best orchestral Debussy/Bartok/Stravinsky works, but that's still an impressing repertoire.
I don't think that you should compare Ravel to Debussy, Delius, Bartok and Stravinsky: they're all maestros and they all excelled in what they were trying to do. At this point you're just comparing 9.7 music to 9.75 music.

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Sorry to ask you guys to do my homework, but what would qualify as a chromatic substitution for the tonic in major? Seems like it could be anything or nothing at all.

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I'm looking for music with the complexity of bach or bartok's string quartets. I really like free voice and counterpoint. I love it when there's a melody and then something doing something that sounds almost completely different to the melody, but somehow complements it. I like it when there's a deeply inter woven pattern that indulges the mind in deep complexity that one could get lost in on careful listening.

Is there any classical music like plamless prayer/mass murder refrain?

>>70536885
Listen to the Beethoven's and Mozart's late quartets, they're all extremely influenced by Bach's fugue writing.

>>70537111
Hmm, surprisingly I haven't checked out the mozart quartets, but I have listened to the late beethoven quartets extensively.

>>70536885
>listening to AoF on anything but organ or harpsichord

Heathen.

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>>70536885
inb4 Calcium sperging out.
>>70537340
>Bach on anything but piano

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_machine
WHAT THE FUCK
WHY IS THIS USED AS AN INSTRUMENT

>>70537436
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_machine
I've got a wind machine in my pants.

>>70537436
Come again ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O7y8W6JLdk&index=242&list=PLqRFNR9X0aMz0ciEmcdq_ohHktgLa2F5N
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UXP3707FLA&index=241&list=PLqRFNR9X0aMz0ciEmcdq_ohHktgLa2F5N

>>70537139
The ones you should listen to are the Haydyn's quartets and everything that came after them. Those were the years in wich Mozart became a master of Bachian counterpoint

>>70536535
Besides the G major concerto or Rapsodie, every one of those were translated and failed to be as good as their piano counterparts

>>70537436
Why not? Most of hte stuff listed there are operas and program music anyway

>>70537503
This man deserves nothing but agony and death

>>70537877
I'm glad he exists because he makes cunts like you extremely butthurt

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>>70530761
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGAEpnUSUEg

>>70538338
faggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq-S8CIU7VA

went thrifting in the big city and snagged some dope LPs, r8 me plz these are the ones i'm excited to have

Heifetz plays Bach Unaccompanied Sonatas and Partitas (complete) 3xLP

Glenn Gould playing Goldberg Variations, WTC book 2 preludes & fugues 1-8, Bach Keyboard concertos 2 in E, 3 in D, 4 in A, 5 in f, and 7 in g, and six sonatas for violin and piano w/ Jamie Laredo BWV 1014-1019,

and Bruno Walter conducting Mahler: Das Lied Von Der Erde, and Brahm: A German Requiem Op.45,

And the Budapest String Quartet playing Brahms Piano Quintet Op. 34

>>70538561
seems good to me

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>https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagot
What did they mean by this?

>>70538963
Please make posts that have to do with the topic of the thread.

>>70530673
I hate this guy so much

>>70538926
much more importantly it's also the German name

>>70531943
No, since I'm a filthy singer. I can play piano well enough to accompany myself when I'm singing Schubert lieder, and I try to bash through a fugue from the WTC at least once or twice per week, but not much beyond that
>>70532573
As much as I hate myself for it, probably Les Mis. But it's just about the only musical I listen to these days. Listen to opera otherwise
>>70534897
Organist pedalling is very, very different to piano pedalling
>>70535561
I rather like his Beethoven 8 transcription, but probs because it's my favourite Beethoven symphony outside of 3
>>70536278
Delius just feels like romantic slithering taken to a logical conclusion and it's not a nice place to be
>>70538561
Heifetz is great
Gould is divisive but worth the listen no matter what you think of him
Don't know Walter's Mahler, but I'd imagine it ain't bad.
And Brahms' piano quintet is probably the best in the rep

why are Schutz's passions so GOAT.

On a scale of 9.99... to 10 how underrated is Forqueray?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3tvtdnkwQI

>>70538561
>all that Gould
Everything else seems fine. Walter is a pretty good Mahlerian

>>70539495
you're only giving us one option here

>>70539558
That's correct.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg35RpUF6Ow

On a scale of -1/12 to infinity, how underrated is Petzold?
>>70529404

>>70539495
If the Germans didn't have Bach, the French would win in greatest keyboard tradition

>>70539610
I never liked the harpsichord until I heard him.

>>70539690
That piece was originally composed for the viol mate.

Are there any composers that could beat Sasuke Uchiha in a fight? Keep in mind he has a Rinnengan with short-range teleportation capabilities and an Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan that allows him to use Amaterasu, Susanoo, and Kagutsuchi.

>>70539876
see
>>70529404
>>70539610

>>70539876
Go back to /a/ faggot.

>>70539907
/a/ is one of the biggest supporters of classical music here on 4chan. You should be more kind.

>>70539876
Remain in this thread forever.

>>70539954
>>70539958
Go back to /a/, faggots.

>>70539495
Thankfully one of my best friends is a harpischord player who introduced me to Foqueray and one of the GOAT pieces in the harpsichord repertoire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abO-nfMF8uI

Alright Xanti my lad?

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>>70539997
Make me, tough keyboard warrior.

post your favourite Thoven piano sonata and I will tell you how pleb you are

>>70540018
Go back to /a/, faggot.

>>70540050
14.368087 Op. 34/56 is my favorite

>>70540053
Aw <3.

4u https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8QLrJRokQM

>>70540097
adequately plebeian. You could do with bathing in bogs a little bit more

>>70540107
Go back to /a/, faggot.

>>70539999
Sweet quads my dude, but Forqueray sounds the best on viol.
Check out Chambonnieres if you like French harpsichord.

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>>70540107

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>>70540193
Fuck I miss Nodame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8QFHrPSYTA

>>70540193
kek

http://www.strawpoll.me/12175964

http://www.strawpoll.me/12175964

http://www.strawpoll.me/12175964

Hurr I only watch shitty soap operas if they're cartoons

>>70540333
Any recs other than these two?

>>70540407
Fuck no.

>>70540407
The Simpsons

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>>70540407
Nah can't think of any that has classical music as the main premise. Or any good ones at that.

>>70540444
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYr2YJpcudU

>>70540407
Mozart in the Jungle

I hope none of you fags who watch anime shit on pop music for being garbage media

>>70530673
at least in death he will have silence

>>70540555
good thing they have nothing to do with each other

>>70540614
At least tell us why do you hate him

>>70540616
Well, anime actually has a lot in common with metal (lots of crossover between fanbases), but to be fair, technical death metal is the closest thing to classical music that exists today.

>>70540503
not an animu. I watch it as a guilty pleasure but I had to skip that Messiaen/Prison episode because it was so fucking pretentious and took itself far too seriously.
I'm reeeing even thinking about it.

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>>70540675
Further proof.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpdoE7iWbJk

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Gonna watch a classical concert in person tomorrow

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>>70540913
>tfw you won't ever gently kiss young Marth Argerich

>>70540990
why live

>>70540958
What's the program?
I've seen classical music live for the first time 3 days ago. I've seen 2 consecutive concerts (Brahms 4th symphony and Mondeverdi Madrigals books n.3, 4 and 5) and it completely blew my mind.
For years I've kept listening to mostly piano music, I never got what's the deal with orchestras until I've seen one in person. Now whenever I listen to a symphony with my headset I actually have a frame of reference on how much, for example, cellos phisically ''hurt'' you. It enhanced my appreciation for classical music drastically.

>>70537970
if I was butthurt I would have offerred a more serious critique

Rec upright pianos.

>>70541043
I honestly don't know. After almost a decade on 4chan I've seen countless potential waifus, but no one beat Martha Argerich. She is talented, smart and witty, and she also used to be infinitely cute, without looking stereotypical. I love her.

>>70541125
Go to your local piano store and rent a piano. If you don't trust them (but you should, they usually have to be honest to mantain their customers) go there with a piano teacher, for 10$ they will follow you there and give you an informed advice.
Regardless, if you're just an amateur any piano is good enough for you, as long as the keys are heavy enough.

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>>70541044

Joseph Haydn - Cello Concerto No. 1 C-Dur

and

Anton Bruckner - Symphony No. 4 "Romantic"

Will be pretty much my first time too.

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>>70541174
Tsundere Martha.

>>70541217
not that guy but
>early Haydyn and Brukner
Terrible program for your first concert, I don't think you will really enjoy it.
Still better than nothing, though. Check for subscriptions to your local philarmonics, if you're young they will be pretty cheap.

>>70541274
Bruckner's 4th symphony is his first good one, though. And it's pretty accessible. I think it's fine

>>70541217
>tfw no Kaworu to take you to your first classical concert

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPV9tfJNOvY

>>70541369
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leVFyhpZw0I

Post your favorite music written for video games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkWcUtga1lw

>>70541525
Go back to /v/, faggot.

>>70541525
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCiPc0Q4Ksg

Fuck, I never noticed how annoying are the percussions as a child.

post a piece to use as a soundtrack to this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqvLD0X-g6o

>>70541631
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgw_RD_1_5I

>>70541631
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmpV1jswXjI
hope this is good

>>70541525
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJA5mSK53YI

>>70541631
Isn't Onision like 35 at this point?
I mean, he was in his late 20s when I was a teenager, how can he still be around and hang out with these people?

>>70541855
he loves fresh teen pussy
let him live

>>70541855
He's pretty cringe, my gf tried to show me one of his videos but i didn't even laugh

>>70541880
>>70541872
>>70541855
>>70541631
Go back to wherever the fuck you normally talk about this retarded shit, faggots.

>>70537417
>Bach on anything but organ

>>70541525
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MM_Q0nfaG0

>>70541895
how many friends do you have?

>>70541934
lol jesus christ

>>70537417
Bach's keyboard music was written for harpsichord and organ, not piano.

>>70542048
Wrong again. It was written for vocaloid, Bach knew its time would come.

>>70542066
Do you think what you're doing is constructive? Do you think it's funny? What do you gain from this?

>>70542078
Your butthurt.

>>70542048
>Bach's keyboard music was written for
IDEOLOGY
D
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L
O
G
Y

>>70542112
Facts aren't ideology.

>>70542090
That's worth something to you? Grow up dude.

>>70542130
>Facts
Facts say Bach had access to early pianos and preferred clavichords to harpsichord.

>>70542112
>saying that music was written for a specific instrument (because it literally was) is ideology

you have to go back

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Y'all niggas like Prokofiev? Is he too old fashioned or not old fashioned enough? How is he compared to Shostakovich? Also any recommendations for 5th Symphony recordings?

>>70528222

what is some emotional music

the kind that's sad but not quiet like it would play at the end of a movie

>>70542147
Reminder that people that have dedicated their lives to cataloging and understanding Bach's music have stated that his keyboard works are definitely not piano music.

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>being a HIPsters
>The year of Our Lord Kek, 2017

>>70542165
Well he's infinitely superior to Shostakovich at least.

>>70542167
Does this work for you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZTeavJ9frA

>>70542195

yeah that'll do

>>70542167
>>70542209
go back to /v/

>>70542184
being a HIPster is fine, but it's fun and perfectly fine to hear Bach on a piano too

>>70542184
I wonder what SDF is doing now that he's in Trump's America.
He probably participated in the women march like the memester he is.

How to get into Mahler?

>>70542184
>preferring old music on modern instruments that didn't exist when it was written
its like listening to renaissance vocal music on vocaloid

>>70542252
start from 1 and go to 9

>>70539495
16 trillion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft1bvBSWWB4

>>70542252
>>70542280
Don't forget about the songs.

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>listening to music the way the composer intended is somehow a bad thing

Sure is underage in here.

>>70542231
i have him on my Steam, he was last online 129 days ago

maybe he died

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>listening to music the way you prefer is somehow a bad thing

Sure is submissive in here.

>>70542353
Damn, I wanna cum on her face.

>>70542252
Just listen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvXhyldUko

>>70541525
This was one of my favorites when I was a kid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_CI4mvGSBc
MOHAA was pretty good too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZHuUkrWPiI
Makes sense one of my favorites was written by a trained composer and played on a real orchestra. MOHAA had a nice combination of tonal and atonal too. Positively Schnittkian in places. I still remember the themes to this day.

Honorable mention:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNIins5MWRE

>>70542435
so when are you going to reveal that you're CLT's new persona

you don't hide it very well

>>70542458
I don't think Poly worships minimalist trash, though.

>>70542435
Fuck, poly, thanks for posting Twinsen's Odissey. I played that as a kid and couldn't remember its name.

>>70542458
I thought CLT hated Mahler. If I ever release an "abridged history of Western Music" and forget to include J.S. Bach, you'll know I'm CLT

>>70542524
Could someone post that btw

duke ellington is better tham mozert

>>70542566
Art Tatum is better than either

>>70542524
He was all about false dichotomies and preferred Bruckner to be specific.

>>70542592
im talking bout composers kiddo

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>>70542547
here ya go

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>>70542547
Mostly literal whos while trying to avoid the actual canon

Bach


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI_Dl71w0js

>>70542622
>>70542623
>2.17 MB
>1.51 MB
but why?

how stupid do you have to be to like schubert? pretty stupid I think. listen to his music and tell me it's good. it's not. prove it? I don't like it and it's boring and many other people agree with me. if you don't like it fuck off. name one person that likes schubert. you fucking can't.

>>70542623
Nobody in that chart is a literal who unless you have no idea about the history of classical music, of which i wouldn't be surprised if /classical/ hasn't studied it.

>>70542616
Fuck it, Tatum's a composer.

>>70542260
The piano existed in Bach's time.

Real talk: Dvorak's new world 9th symphony is your favorite of his, not the 8th.

>>70542665
Everyone likes his Ave Maria.

>>70542684
Not the kind we use today. Byut playing his music on a fortepiano is fine, Mozart's music should only be played on fortepiano as well btw

>>70542327
Go to bed taxes.
Maybe the Alt-Right death squads got him.

>>70542665
This is bait but literally everyone that has listened to Schubert has some level of respect for him

>>70542703
>fortepiano
Literally the same thing.

>>70542699
It's actually the 7th

>>70542722
nope not me. hmmm, so you were wrong about that and you're probably wrong about other stuff too. i wonder what...

>>70542675
Petrassi is a little obscure, as well as a couple of the renaissance ones

>>70542723
No they sound comploetely different

>>70542705
not taxes

taxes hasn't been online in awhile too :(

he'll come stumbling in here drunk one day and leave 5 minutes later though

>>70542675
Comparatively they are.
JC compared to JS. Bach
Bruckner compared to Mahler
Nielsen compared to Sibelius
Hindemith compared to Bartok
Zemlinsky is a 100% literal who.
Schoenberg is missing completely
Petrassi compared to Penderecki
Carter compared to Stockhausen
Davies compared to any decent 20th century composer

Missing Palestrina is a fail, especially considering there are 3 late medieval albums in there. Surely 1 or 2 would have sufficed.

It would be ok if he titled it "Some music I like" instead of the current misleading title.

name one good thing about mozart that's completely unique to him and can't also be attributed to someone else that happens to be a superior composer (haydn) even though the label paid ciritics don't seem to think so because they have to substantiate the mozart mythos so that records can be sold mozart sold more cds than drake last year you think that's a fucking accident? open your eyes

>>70542260
this opinion again. So let's listen to Beethoven on Hammerklavieren exclusively

>>70542684
Hence why Bach is fine on piano. Its not appropriate for his organ pieces or anything with long pedal notes, but its fine for his clavichord pieces.

>>70542817
>Zemlinsky is a 100% literal who.
>ever promoting Stockhausen or Penderecki
>Palestrina important
Fuck off poly.

>>70542833
Piano existed in Beethoven's time too.

Using modern versions of instruments that existed is ok. Using instruments that didn't exist is not.

>>70542840
>the man who single-handedly saved reneissance polyphony isn't important

fuck off retard

>>70542817
Not including Machaut, Josquin, and Palestrina is pretty edgy indeed

>>70542817
honestly Bruckner and Mahler are pretty close in terms of notoriety and their recorded representation.

and Zemlinsky's reputation is getting better. anyone who knows about Mahler/SVS knows the name Zemlinsky. or should, if they're informed.

>>70542840
This level of ignorance, it must be you CLT. No one else would defend your chart.

Like it or not, Stockhausen, Penderecki and Palestrina are much more well known (and important) than the composers you included.

Maybe look past their meme pieces and actually study their life, music and impact and you'll understand

>>70542871
>Bruckner and Mahler are pretty close in terms of notoriety and their recorded representation.
They're worlds apart in terms of quality though. Bruckner is pretty 2nd rate

>>70542859
>single-handedly saved reneissance polyphony
(not true btw)

>>70542889
other way around broski

>>70542873
>Stockhausen
>important
If you like shite like Kraftwerk and Aphex Twins maybe,
Petrassi and Davies should be replaced though certainly.

>>70542889
i can't really comment since i like both equally and for different reasons.

the point is that both are well known and relatively popular, so i think it's ok to omit one and include the other in a list. if you must.

never really was too bugged about CLT"s list, honestly. it's just meant to be a place to start which seems to be the hardest thing for people getting into art music

>>70542817
You can change those around and people would still complain, i think people just like to bitch about CLT for no reason other than the fact that he was more arrogant than most.

>>70542873
>calling anyone else ignorant
>calls Zemlinsky a literal who
The ironing

>>70542960
the only improtant thing about zem whatever is that shcoebberg fucked his ister that's it his music isn't important in the lightest and if you think so you're brainwashed

>>70542848
so who decides if it's still the same instrument or if it's a new one? where do you draw the line?
since we have only vague ideas about how music was performed in the past centuries I think the most important part is that the instrument serves the interpretation

>>70542848
whether or not the instrument existed at the time has nothing to do with the composer's intention. just because an instrument existed doesn't mean the composer wanted their music played on that instrument. it's not any more okay to use instruments that were around at the time.

either listen to it properly or be a degenerate, but don't try to half ass it with poor rationalizations.

>>70543101
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/01/160121121818.htm

Can someone recommende me a good piano piece for me to learn? Everything I know is probably too difficult for me. I can play fur Elise and Turkish march just to give you and idea of my skill level. Been playing for 5 or so months.

Would je te veux be too hard?

Cheers cunts

>>70542840
>Palestrina isn't important
>yfw you're literally sharing a board with somebody this fucking retarded
>yfw you realize that this double-digit mentally handicapped troglodyte is literally breathing your oxygen and using your resources right now

I sang a Händel aria this morning. Want me to see if I can get the recording to post?


>>70542817
Sorry that you hate individualized taste.

>yfw Bach preferred the clavichord for its vocal texture, done something significantly better on the modern piano
>yfw the harpsichord can't bring out the various textures implied in the WTC and AoF
>>70543194
Fuck off fake CLT

>>70543184
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUOIzCeSIY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8as_BN5h5YQ

>>70543184
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZeGjnrlCNk

>>70543194
Hey, have you ever thought about updating your chart?

>>70543184
Für Elise and Turkish March are not too bad, you can do a lot with that skills. Most importantly: only play what you like, analyze it and play it by heart. I could imagine some Beethoven sonatas could please you, like #1, #6 or #25. You could also take a look at Bach inventions and Grieg's piano pieces

http://www.strawpoll.me/12176777

http://www.strawpoll.me/12176777

http://www.strawpoll.me/12176777

>>70542665
My favorite composer

>>70543194
>sang
Are tripfags on /mu/ all sissy twinks?

>>70543339
?

>>70543339
CLT and SDF wish they were twinks.

>>70543237
Yeah. The bottom third is way different from what I'd put today. Too bad I'm dead.

>>70543305
>Grieg's piano pieces
Agreed.

>>70543215
Already know prelude 4 and the preludes are kinda boring desu. Second one is blocked for some reason
>>70543218
Seems kinda difficult desu

>>70543377
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzIZPZN5K60

>>70543370
I'll change it for you if you'd like, if you are indeed the real CLT.

>>70542817
>JC compared to JS. Bach
One is Classical, the other is Baroque
>Bruckner compared to Mahler
Hitler worshiped Bruckner back when Mahler was still obscure
>Zemlinsky is a 100% literal who.
Hopefully you're baiting right now
>Petrassi compared to Penderecki
Extremely different composers
>Carter compared to Stockhausen
Again I don't know where you get these comparisons from

>>70543305
Yes of course I will only play what I like hence why I'm asking for some suggestions. Would any of bachs suites suit me? Thanks

>>70543377
Well, this one is better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmBrepbZji0

>>70543423
>Hitler worshiped Bruckner back when Mahler was still obscure
wat

Mahler wasn't obscure in the early-mid 20th century you idiot

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>>70542699
Mine is the 8th still.

Although for the record my favorite Schubert conductor is Böhm now.

>>70543431
>>70543390
Thanks but they're a bit slow for my liking. I want something along the line of chopins waltz 64 which I was originally going to do but may be a bit difficult.

>>70543451
As a composer he was

>>70543377
If you like Mozart, maybe K545.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vDxlnJVvW8

>>70543430
Bach's suits are not to difficult, but IMO you need to have a bit of polyphonic feeling. The inventions are the best way to acquire it and they are fun to play

>>70543461
>Sibelius 5
I saw Vanska conduct that with the MN orchestra like a week ago.
Someone's phone went off during the performance, fucking plebs.

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>>70543487
no he wasn't. hell, the 2nd symphony was recorded (in full) acoustically, which was quite an achievement for early recording.

you had a significant number of conductors performing his works in those days. he might've been more polarizing than he is today but he was still well known and frequently performed.

>>70543543
That's worse than the Holocaust.

>>70543194
>Want me to see if I can get the recording to post?
sure, i would love to see your embarrass yourself

>>70543430
1st movement of Bethooven's Moonlight Sonata is quite simple. You can even try 2nd movement and 3rd movement later if you want.

>>70543478
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tug4GfiN3II

>>70543571
???
the holocaust was great

K. 361 is the shit

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>>70543571
Ya it was dumb. I mostly went to see the Dvorak concerto with Weilerstein so it wasn't the end of the world. I'm never really in a Sibelius mood and when I am I usually go for the violin concerto.
What do you think of his other symphonic works? I got this while I was there and I still haven't really listened to it. I heard Kullervo is good, it has Finlandia too which is his meme piece.

>>70543638
only for the jews, for the Germans it was a disaster

>>70543194
>Sorry that you hate individualized taste.

Its fine to try to be an individual to stroke your e-peen, but claiming its a guide to the western canon is pants-on-head retarded

How to get into Schumann?

>>70543423
Its a comparison of literal who status. the point is all the well known, important composers are left out in favor of what CLT liked at the time. He tried to have individual taste, but then failed by calling it a guide to the western canon.

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>>70543797

On a scale of ω to ω^ω how underrated is Telemann?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XLOC-CsF3M

>>70543797
Pretend to be a friend, then wait until Robert goes insane.

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>>70543797
symphonic etudes are a great place to start

>>70543832
>arrau
bad choice

>>70543825
Instructions not clear enough. Ended up in a threesome with Clara and Brahms.

>>70543886
no

>>70543893
Not a bad deal desu.

>>70543804
>Its a comparison of literal who status.
Retarded
>the point is all the well known, important composers are left out in favor of what CLT liked at the time.
Just because composers are more famous means they automatically represent the zeitgeist more accurately? Really dumb

>He tried to have individual taste
Good for him

>but then failed by calling it a guide to the western canon.
He definitely made an effort to represent each era, and did so successfully. So it's really dumb to whine about some composers you like not being included.

>>70543804
>He tried to have individual taste, but then failed
Apparently not since you're still talking about my taste.

>>70543797
Piano quintet and quartet
Symphony in D minor
Kinderszenen
Dichterliebe

>>70542165
We hate him. /Classical/ is an American Capitalist thread. Get that commie crap outta here.

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>>70544041
>no Corelli
>represented each era successfully
Dumbass nigger never fucking post in my thread again.

>>70544230
faggot

>>70544230
>>no Corelli
If I had room for a third baroque composer it'd be him

The real problem with CLT's chart is his choice of recordings.
Especially those Mozart concertos.

What are some good Ravel pianists?

Am I a total pleb for loving this so much?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSeg69d3CQ8

>>70544401

>>70544376
Yvonne Lefébure
Robert Casadesus
Abbey Simon
Monique Haas

>>70544376
Tharaud has an A+ recording of all his solo works, and I really enjoy Zimerman with Boulez on the Concertos

>>70544454
Nice memeing

>>70544099
>piano quintet
delicious