Steve Albini on the question "what is the most common mistake

Guarantee this piece of shit has a fadeout somewhere in his production catalog

Literally what sperg gives a fuck about fadeouts

>>70521464
he has ruined almost every album he's every touched so take his words with a grain of salt

>only the laziest hack producers would use a technique used in almost half of the songs ever recorded

Yeah ok I'm gonna call bullshit there

DUDE DRUMS LMAO

Why is he hated so much? I love his work with big black and whilst I might disagree with some of his opinions, he's an interesting guy.

>>70521464
He didn't use a film comparison because every film fades out lol

>>70521494
>Albini ruined In Utero

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>>70521592
some end on a freeze frame like pic related

>>70521655
That's basically the equivalent in films.

>>70521494
This comment is the problem with the internet. Someone can say something outlandishly, ridiculously wrong and still there's doubt that maybe there's a grain of truth in 'Albini has ruined every album he's touched,' which of course there demonstrably isn't. Its idiocracy, idiots rule, fucking age of the dickheads, Trump etc.

>>70521655
But did it cut quickly to black after the freeze ? Well, did it?

>>70521587

Because he's not afraid of being honest, and that triggers some millennials

>>70521592
There are a lot of movies that just cut to black after the last frame.

>>70521464
>only the laziest hack producers use a fade out

What exactly about an ending versus a fade out requires that much more effort? But anyway whatever Steve m8, I love a good fade out on a cheesy song, wouldn't be the same without it. It's like the band are just going to jam that last chorus all night long and the listener just has to leave now.

>>70521733
Go to bed, Steve

>>70521764
The problem isn't that he's not afraid of being honest, it's that he thinks too highly of his own opinions compared to everyone else's and thinks they might as well be regarded as fact.

>>70521788
Which ones, man?

>>70521762
The picture goes slightly dim so the credits are more legible. The image stays.

Other movies and pretty much any TV show cuts to black.

>>70521829

like /mu/ in general

>>70521838
Dogtooth, Inglorious Basterds (probably most of Tarantino's movies), and Victoria are a few that I have on my computer that I just checked. Inception also just cuts to black.

>>70521845
When I said 'every film' did you think I literally meant every film as if I had seen every film?

>>70521946
>>70521936
>>70521845
..as if I had seen every film and remembered or made a note of whether it faded out or not?

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>>70521801
>It's like the band are just going to jam that last chorus all night long and the listener just has to leave now.
i feel this too, i thought i was the only one

I don't mind fade outs. Ending on Cadences aren't the only thing you can do

>>70521464
I agree completely. Fuck fadeouts. They're my pet peeve in music. I don't generally hear them in any of the music I listen to but they still come across as really lackluster every time I hear one.
This is ESPECIALLY a problem when it starts fading out and you hear a cool new intrumental portion coming in and they just fade it out like holy fuck fuck you. I want to fucking edit all of the music i have to be consistently loud until the song ends because fucking fadeouts suck so fucking much.

Some shit sounds dumb without a fade out.

Also, are instruments ringing out at the end of a song considered a fadeout?

>>70521464

I agree but is this even a producer issue? I imagine in most cases the musicians that wrote the song decided to ruin it with a fadeout because they couldn't think of a proper ending. Seems like he's blaming the wrong people entirely.

Starman would be a perfect song if it didn't end on a fadeout

Fadeouts are gay. I don't need Albini to tell me that. They prolong the ending slightly, wasting my time for no reason. It probably adds up to a lot over the course of my music listening life.

fuck that. endings can get really played out on an album. the fadeout is just a spice, don't abuse it and it's fine.

the fade-in also doesn't get enough love.

>>70522531
You can only really fade-in a reprise.

I like the fade-out/fade-in, like in Helter Skelter and Strawberry Fields Forever and that one Crimson King song on ITCOTCK

There's a couple unique song endings on Closer by Joy Division that were memorable to me.

>>70521464
He fades the song out on Cloud Nothings Attack On Memory though. In fact he fades the last song on the album.

>>70524002
Probably why he's pissed off about it if musician insists on it

>>70521587

Yes, an interesting asshole is better than a boring polite guy. You don't have to live with him, after all.

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Interesting fact: both Albini and Scaruffi come from the same region of Italy.

>>70524002
Was just about to post this. I think the song was Cut You. Too lazy to find the link but I can swear this ends with one. Great album though

>Would a good ending to a book be the words getting smaller and smaller until they are illegible?

That would actually be pretty dope

>>70524002
Probably because the artist asked for it. He never directs his own artistic vision on the stuff he produces for other artists

To waive producer royalties for In Utero because he doesn't think producers deserve them gives him a pious morality seen nowhere in the music industry or western world. So he's allowed to be harsh

>>70521801
>>70522020
I always envisioned it as the band moving away from the listener on a conveyor belt of sorts.

>>70525458
this is a wonderful mental image thank you very much

Isn't this how Ulysses ended?

I totally agree with him, fadeouts are easily the worst way to end a song.

Overwhelmingly terrible but as with anything there are a small handful of cases where the fadeout works.

>>70521492
if an artist wants it he'll do it, doesn't mean he thinks it's a good idea

>>70521512
>generic ineffective technique
>lazy hacks would never do that!

I'm not going to agree or disagree with you but please think about how retarded your logic is. it's okay to disagree with him and like fadeouts, but please think things through more before saying dumb shit.

>>70521801
and ending requires the band to actually finish writing the song whereas fadeout allows halfassed composition

>>70521464
Wouldn't this be a decision of the musician and not the producer? Fade outs are usually used when an artist simply can't think of a decent way to end their song. Some artists even use it effectively so that one song fades into another on album, but this is a bit of a rarity.

>>70521617
They literally had a different producer come in to fix his mistakes

>>70521464
It can be done well. MBV's Soon comes to mind - I wouldn't want it to end any other way.

>>70525703
which usually means just instead of repeating the chorus indefinitely into fade out you do it an even number of times then end on the 1 or 5 chord. never anywhere near as difficult as composing the rest of the song so that's a bullshit argument

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all good techno tracks end in fadeouts

>>70526940
is this minah

>>70525722
>mistakes

His only mistake was not creating a final mix that was radio-friendly. Scott Litt only remixed the singles.

>>70521464
I don't give a shit, sometimes a fadeout is good, sometimes it is not. The real question is, is the song any good? otherwise a producer doesn't have shit to work with anyway, and the song must be considered carefully amongst the album; the artist has a lot of work cut out for them

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>>70521464
lmao wut

>>70525486
Alternatively, it's the band riding off into the sunset, still playing unfazed. No, not even _riding_ off, they're just invisibly, slowly pulled into the sunset, but nobody seems to notice or care, it just happens.

The only time a fadeout was ever acceptable was in Genesis - Supper's Ready because:
1.) it's the closer
2.) it's the only track in the album to do it
3.) the track literally ends with the protagonists ascending to Heaven with an angelic choir in the background, so it's only fitting

>>70527177
How about BoC's Farewell Fire? The track slowly fades out over a matter of minutes so that you barely even realise it. It's like the dying embers of a campfire and it's beautiful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMV4dl-x0Tc

>>70521517
Abrasive and wild drums
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>>70524611
It's ironic since many piemontesi (demonym, btw)
are in fact nice people.

>>70526952
no it's yura

>having a debate as to whether an album should end with a note or they should keep playing the series of notes untill it is unhearable anymore

literally who cares. if it's such a bother to you just skip the song as soon as the fade out songs, it's like you create a "good ending" for them.

>>70524002
Jesus fucking christ you guys are ignorant.

>>70527649
dam she looks like her

>>70527664
Yea, songwriting is simply a detail, really. Fuck it.

>>70527636
>piemontesi are nice
Kek I'm from lombardy and hate those turin faggots

>>70527766
All korean womemes look the same

>>70521464
>>70521492
Yes. For example, people may disagree with me but Gorillaz adding the stupid SpongeBob to the end of their new song Hallelujah money is much more fulfilling than if they had just faded the song out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDUrpPvU1_4

>>70524611
Yeah but Scaruffi is actually Italian

Probably where Albini is coming from is a desire to make every recording sound like it's live. Fadeouts are strictly a studio creation. It inherently sounds overproduced, a thing which he hates.

>>70521733
People will probably troll you for this post but I agree m8

>>70527636
che cazzo stai a dì, I piemontesi sono snob

>>70521464
This is a lazy hack smarter-than-thou take. A good smarter-than-thou take would be that how you end a song doesn't really matter much (it doesn't)

>>70521464
Hating fadeouts is a meme

>>70521492
I personally hate it, however I can't change that so I accept it.

If I was a 10/10 girl, I'd fuck him. I agree btw.

>>70522531
Best example of a Fadeout and a Fadein is Cities by Talking Heads.

>>70527612
yeah, that's great. I think it's so you can actually fall asleep to it and not get woken up when it ends

>>70524002
Albino has stated before that he doesn't care what garbage people ask him to produce.

>>70529318
Why doesn't it matter how a track ends?

>>70521464
How many albums has this smug piece of shit ruined?

>>70529124
Porcoddio il romanaccio

>>70524002
he allegedly didn't remember producing that album because he was too busy playing Scrabble

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>instruments fade out but the vocals don't

>>70521733
Doesn't get more reddit than this folks.

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>>70531940
100% Truth

>>70525703
Ending a song isn't some prestigious talent. Anybody can end a fucking song after they wrote the whole thing. Fading out is just a technique in songwriting, you're not special for "ending" your songs.

100% agree, actually I've been thinking about it lately while I was listening to Pet Sounds and it really sucks

>>70527177
Too bad Genesis is terrible and so is that song.

Plenty of actual good songs that fade out.

>>70528942
Why don't you just go on reddit then, where every comment is already voted for you? Or just have some more security in your own opinions.

>>70521464
tyes

>>70531940
>>70532000
Its true though, your feelings aren't facts and Trump is a dickhead

>>70532105
>genesis is bad
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I like fade outs. It hints at something unresolved. Some bands don't know how to end songs, I especially dislike big, cheesy outros in metal, completely ruins the mood.

Just because albino produces an album that has a fade out doesn't mean he suggested it. It was probably that goon Dylan balding that wanted to fade the song out. Albino just records. He doesn't produce.

>>70527636

there's a common saying in Italy about people from Piedmont which says "piemontese falso e cortese" meaning that piedmontese are at the same time false and courteous.

What about fading out into another track? Is that patrician?

>>70532242
Do all Italians hate all other Italians from other cities/ states or whatever they called?

I want Albini to produce something in me if you know what I am saying

>>70531411
vattela a pijà nder culo

>>70532385

Kind of. There are many rivalries between nearby cities.
Other than that, northern italians tend to hate the ones from the south.

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>>70521733
cry more

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>anon makes up a Steve Albini quote
>everyone on /mu/ falls for it
Why is this board so dumb? A simple google search reveals that OP is full of shit.

>>70521464
I mean, I hate fade outs too. But I've always seen it as my own quirk and nothing more than my own subjective taste.

>>70532620
Terrone

>>70532655
North Italian fag here, we have good reason to hate those lazy niggers

>>70532681
Steve Albinu told me to tell you to shut the hell up

>>70521464
fade out into fade in on an album is amazing

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>>70532717
AHAHAHAH IO CE L'HO DURO

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>>70521464
The fade out is more like the credits rolling on a film's closing shot instead of having a hard cut to black and just rolling credits. The fade out in literary terms would probably be "happily ever after" or whatever words get you imagining an epilogue in your head.

I don't mind fade outs. I like them like i like cross dressing. Sometimes it adds a certain je ne sais quoi to the song.

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>>70532804
AHAHAHAAH AHOO SIAMO A' CAPITALE

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>>70521733
IT WUZZINT SUPPOSD TO BE A DOCUMENTARY PPL!!

>>70521829
Examples? Because even in the OP post he doesn't fucking do that

maggot brain fades out and thats the greatest album opening song of all time

>>70534211
ahahahaha no quelli vecchi stanno sparsi un po' da tutte le parti. Nel mio quartiere ci sono quelli nuovi messi da Marino e si sta da paura, mentre dai miei è strapieno e i zinghi c'hanno il colera

>>70521464
I would expect Albini to have a bigger bone to pick with production mistakes, but its a valid criticism. Agree.

>>70522127
Periphery comes to mind. Put Jeff Loomis on a track, then fade the song out on him soloing. What a splendid idea.

>>70532191
>your feelings aren't facts
hello, reddit!

>>70522127
>This is ESPECIALLY a problem when it starts fading out and you hear a cool new intrumental portion coming in and they just fade it out
this is like the only good use of fade-out tho

>>70521829
no he doesnt

have you ever even read an interview with him? a modern one?

>>70537805
>a modern one?
Damn, in-post damage control. That's a rare one

>>70524611
Holy shit, my family comes from Piedmont. Gotta tell my mum about this

>>70521829
So basically you think that people shouldn't have any conviction in their opinions since people who disagree with them don't care enough to articulate an argument against that opinion?
This isn't some basement dweller telling uninterested people how he thinks feminists and gays should be gassed, albini has been making music for decades and therefore he has a right to think highly of his opinion and share it.

>>70525529
No

>>70521492
you don't understand what kind of producer he is
he's just an engineer more than anything, if the band wants a stupid fadeout he'll do it no problem

>>70521592
every film fades out lol

watch more movies babe

>>70532737
>lazy niggers
No matter how much you try, Italians are not white friendo ;)

>>70521838
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXNfxK5Q2Qg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjJMub2Whs4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6FarXsaZIw

etc