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A reminder that Bach's music is nothing but jigging:

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=_Ka289l3W0Q&video_start=0&audio=k-Tw1sqzkfk&audio_start=6

Bach obviously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGQLXRTl3Z0

But also Kodály
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MEUIGjfHNw

>>70487170

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKlLPe86Flk
As good as it gets.

>>70487134
among internet communities he's overrated I think. on 4chan, classical forums, classical record review sights he's treated as more of a "must-hear representative of french opera" rather than the "french musical dark ages" that he is.

I've never heard him performed live by anyone in my area. then again I've never heard Rameau performed either.

>>70487220
Rameau in France is performed often, Lully almost never.
>he's treated as more of a "must-hear representative of french opera"
Well, to be fair he was the magnification of the French aristocratic music for a while. I think that the faults you're finding in his music are, instead, inherent to the form he was adopting in order to earn money.
His music should be considered as ''dark age music'', but it should be also remembered that in that dark age music scene Lully was the best composer.

One of my favs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gi0r1lLM9E

>>70487267
>but it should be also remembered that in that dark age music scene Lully was the best composer.
that's like saying 1920-1940 was the worst age for soviet russia, but stalin was still their best leader.
if Lully and the king hadn't actively suppressed any competition and monopolized publishing for almost 50 years perhaps it wouldn't have been so dark an age...

>>70487374
>if Lully and the king hadn't actively suppressed any competition and monopolized publishing for almost 50 years perhaps it wouldn't have been so dark an age...

What are you basing those accusations on? On his fame alone, or are you referring to specific facts?

>>70487405
biographies, books of french baroque I've read. I've never seen it disputed, but tl;dr he sucked the kings dick to give him royal privilege over printing music in paris, convinced him to place laws restricting non-lullian music from french theatres and then total control of the french academy of music. if you were another composer trying to get your music heard or popularized, you're basically screwed. anything worth a damn had to be heard at paris or versailles and lully made sure he was the only one getting performed

>>70487405
>>70487564
here, is an interesting read if you want to know more:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2565440-french-baroque-music

>>70487564
>>70487592

I didn't know that. I've analyzed his music but I've never read comprehensive biographies on him. My bad.

>>70486925
>there's no subtly or deeper emotion being expressed
Another baseless accusation, how can you say that?

Listen to these pieces and tell me they are devoid of emotion. What you call showy and flashy I call energetic and lively, passionate. And these are just some of his softer pieces, I quite enjoy some of his works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK6rSxVk05o&list=PLanoolzETJ64qCOi1l8LUYR3c3rVEiYNr&index=22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l539qHREjgE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cQgx-g67lQ&list=PLanoolzETJ64qCOi1l8LUYR3c3rVEiYNr&index=23

>And it pales in comparison to italian opera because its all about dancing and amusement than expressivity
While I can't speak for Italian opera I respectfully disagree. Sure a lot of it was about entertainment and a spectacle to impress, but there are parts in these works that are quite expressive.

>>70487220
>>70487267
>Never performed live.
Again how can you say that? There are countless recordings on Youtube of people performing Lully live in front of an audience.

>>70488165
>Again how can you say that? There are countless recordings on Youtube of people performing Lully live in front of an audience.
I'm saying that it isn't in the general repertoire. Listening to Lully is a rarity, but in every big French city you can be sure that there will be at least 1 Rameau concert per year.
It's like saying that Buxtehude is neverperformed. Of course across the US and Europe every once in a while a concert will pop up, but that's it.

>>70488247
>Buxtehude and Lully a rarity
Truly a tragedy of our times.

>>70488432
That's what you get when you apply free market to the high arts.

>>70488165
>Another baseless accusation, how can you say that?
eh, its more of an opinion. I just feel as though Lully is not the best musician when it comes to expressing subtle emotions elegantly in his music. it's all very heavy-handed and grandiose, and his harmonies aren't particularly expressive even if they are exciting and catchy... I'm not saying his works are completely devoid of expression, but they approach it in a much cruder and "primitive" (?) way when compared to his italian contemporaries. he doesn't really venture outside of established musical idioms for the french court, which makes sense since they're generally more catered to impressing a king and nobility than
creating a timeless masterpiece of personal emotion or being particularly innovative.

to each his own, though. He's not a HORRIBLE composers; I wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem with Lully if it weren't for the way he's celebrated among classical communities, see >>70487374

we'll just have to agree to disagree.

>>70488532
>I wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem with Lully if it weren't for the way he's celebrated among classical communities
Get a life.

>>70488647
this whole arguement was about Lully being overrated, tu enfant

>>70488532
Fair enough, at least you have an argument. Many people dismiss him and his work over trivial reasons.

m

>>70490409
>m
What did he mean by this?

>>70490450
Probably just bumping the thread.

Which Bach piece has the BEST counterpoint?

>>70490735
Brandenburg Concertos

>>70490735
Crandenburg Boncertos

>>70491819
This is not how you bump a thread.

>>70487170
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34iZsGgufmg
Underrated af tbqhwyfam

>>70491983
Very good, very good indeed

What are your music-related goals, /classical/?

>>70492539
>What are your music-related goals, /classical/?
To re-establish tonality as the main path in academia, through brilliant, soul-crashing, magnificent compositions.
That, and teaching to boring children piano in order to pay for rent and food.

>>70492539
Feeling at least a bit satisfied with my interpretations.

>>70492597
What do your pupils want to play ?

>>70492539
Finish Vivaldi's Op. 6

>>70492648
>What do your pupils want to play ?
Most of them comes from musically-savvy families. They come when they're 4 or 5 while already knowing lots of Mozart and Schubert tunes, they usually play that and generally didactic pieces for a few years.
I'm also teaching to 2 kids whose parents want them to play pop music, and 1 8years old kid who wants to become a jazz virtuoso.

I may be harsh when I say that they're boring, but that's just me. I hate teaching kids.

>>70490735
Kunst der Fuge or some of his cantatas.

>>70492597
tonality is already being re-established, you're 30 years too late

unless you're implying you want to abolish atonal music from academia, in which case you're wasting your time

>>70492844
>unless you're implying you want to abolish atonal music from academia, in which case you're wasting your time
I don't want to abolish it, I just want to device a piece of music so magnificent that will draw the attention of the entire academia, channelling all of our artistic output in that direction.
I plan to do it by being an excellent composer and a cutthroat businessman.

>>70492730
You make it sound worse than it actually is.
Ever had the chance to give lessons to baptist children ?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJnHICMWYdI

>>70493173
faggot

Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w433wbM14Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jem-LgKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MU1T6uDXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s22fNJdICQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an77qFp0Y9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BSfYz4_Gbg

>>70493405
hi

>>70493228
Wtf anon I didn't even say anything to you

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post your favorite songs

no schubert allowed

>>70493605
Good.. I wouldn't have picked him anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaAorqR0ICk

>>70493605
Schuberts late string quartets are the greatest string quartets of all time

>>70493605
>>70493640
Interesting

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>>70493653

>>70493605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzB3nPhu2Z0

>>70493605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vj1UPzlrTc

>>70493669
>muh beethoven
>muh bartok

>>70493605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIF4_Sm-rgQ

>>70493605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCgQMBNe1XI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tCzdRt6UE

>>70493484
Hi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqSAGwa49MM

>>70493730
>Hallelujah
Was expecting Handel.

>>70493754
Top notch

>>70493605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDBPfhG-gVk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjzAi9f9PM0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eydDniKVL_k
>>70493751
>zefiro torna
Patrician af

>>70493726
Fuck off Cuckbert

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>Mozart
>underrated

>>70493909
What caused the spike?

>>70493909
What happened to Beethoven between the 13th and the 19th of December 2015?

>>70493944
>>70493947
Probably the doodle they did

https://www.google.com/doodles/celebrating-ludwig-van-beethovens-245th-year

>>70493909
>~25-30 searches per day
Lmao look at these sheeps listening to pop music

>>70493972
>245
You'd think they could've waited a few years...

What're you listening now that Trump is president?

>>70494435
Requiems

>>70494435
American symphony orchestras nosediving.

>>70494435
Wagner.

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What are the best recordings of his symphonies? Specifically the 8th.

>>70494435
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRovKhUFeh8

>>70494435
He likes Reich, so...

>>70494435
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IofRyMG-EGA

pondering about how much worse the world will get

>>70494519
Kondrashin or Mravinsky

>>70494570
He or his ghostwriter.

>>70494570
>

I remember reading about a composer named Steve Reich who came up with a new idea called phasing, which is like windshield wipers going in and out of synch. Apparently he was caught in a traffic jam one rainy day and the rhythm of the windshield wipers caught his attention and he applied what he heard to his musical compositions. He has had a significant influence on contemporary music, and I think he’s a great example of an innovator. Sometimes new ideas can come from something as mundane and functional as your windshield wipers. The key is to pay attention and keep your brain and senses open to new stimuli.

He doesn't, he's just praising him as a businessman.
Damn, Trump is disgusting. Truly a dead soul.

>>70494574
Not much. Maybe slightly worse for white people.

>>70494570
Reich's 3rd?

>>70494604
He's a /tv/fag so it isn't a surprise

>>70494604
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6DJUzB7DBE

>>70494519
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYpqi5QP9ng

>>70494604
He's not praising Reich as a businessman. He's making an analogy between artistic germination (see Henry James for more details) and innovation in business. I think you're just reading into it something negative because you dislike Trump.

>>70494435
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hUJKqHTOEI

post your favourite reich piece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J84457WL_dQ

>>70493598
I think its because you posted worstfu

>>70494435
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPV9tfJNOvY

>>70495451
That's a hell of a meme

Bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDqtk0eHAM4

>>70494570
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6DJUzB7DBE

>>70497209
Good job not checking the replies and reposting this.

Can someone recommend me some obscure but still good requiems?

>"Know What Is Above You" for four women’s voices and 2 tamborims (1999)
What did Reich mean by this?

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How many hours a day should I practice?

>>70497530
That man is no longer the President of the United States LOL

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>be me
>occasionally shitpost about Reich on the rare thread
>actually get to meet him and play his music in front of him a couple months ago
There is no greater pressure in the world

>>70497530
As many as you can without developing injuries.

all classical music is literally awful

>>70497991
except grimes

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>tfw Nixon is in china

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http://vocaroo.com/i/s174nspibbsM
Can you guys listen to this and tell me your opinion about it? I have to send this to my composition teacher and I'm anxious as fuck.

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DUDE ARPEGGIOS LMAO

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>>70498745

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9umBE2Gn7Q
My all-time favorite

>>70499083

>not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isReqaXwc70

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>kubelik

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Piano sonata 10 is fucking dope.

>>70499752
Agreed, it's one of Mozart's best.

>>70499413
John Cage approves of this.

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Post sexy composers.

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>>70500054

>>70493947
He came to Brazil :^)

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>>70487170
>Post your favorite piece for a solo instrument.
https://youtu.be/MSTzSQG7VOg

I think this is one of the most tragically underrated composers out there tbqh
Most of these piano sonatas are stunning

>>70493909
>Mozart only in Europe

Is he #ourguy?

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Johan Sebastian Bach - https://youtu.be/4kTvEveVKg0?list=PLb4sKCFqCTeEACe1HGulnqkg5o5EFzaXW

Anything from Bach is a pure masterpeice,

He is the god father of black metal and atmosphere. HEIL BACH!

http://www.strawpoll.me/12159603

http://www.strawpoll.me/12159603

>>70500947
....both suck lol

https://youtu.be/7qHWdlkgosQ?list=PLb4sKCFqCTeEACe1HGulnqkg5o5EFzaXW

Another Master Interpretation of Bach.

If it wasn't for Bach we wouldn't even have music as we know it. Greatest artist of all time,

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In terms of sheer musical intelligence and creativity, Chopin is clearly the GOAT.

>>70501488
Said no one ever

>>70501549
except for Anonymous, just now.

>>70495795
>taste this shit

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What are the recordings on these like (if you've heard them)?

From left to right:

The Barber of Seville conducted by Renato Fasato

Treasury of the World's Most Honored Musical Favorites by the Longines Symphonette

Pavarotti by the Classic Records Library

>>70501587
>>70501549 has probably only really listened to Opus 28 No. 4 and the Fantasie impromptu and just rides Bachs dick all day

>>70501673
>has probably only really listened to Opus 28 No. 4 and the Fantasie impromptu
No

>and just rides Bachs dick all day
Bach is dead I can't ride his dick

idiot

>>70487220
Among the Classical community, Offenbach is treated that way more than Lully is.

>>70501673
Don't forget about good ol Op. 9 No. 2

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>>70501690
Would you ride Bachs dick if you could?

I'd ride Chopin's dick

Tbh I'd probably ride Bachs too

I just like riding dick

>>70501724
Would you ride Mozart's dick?

>>70501733
Would I be riding syphilis Mozart or untainted Mozart

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I would ride Lili Boulanger's dick

>>70501758
Syphilis Mozart is best Mozart.

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>>70501762
Go ahead.

>>70501762
>ywn ride Lili Boulanger's Clit

>>70501791
>1791

HE LIVES

Which composer would be the most into traps and related fetishes?

>>70501958
Chopin

>>70501958
Tchaikovsky and Britten

>>70501967
His fucking wife was called George Sand, he was probably surprised that she didn't have a dick the first time they had sex lol

>>70502029
And she was clearly the alpha element in their relationship.

>>70487170
whats the password for these rars?

>>70502029
They didn't marry

>>70502097
Because Chopin was too lousy in bed.

Anyone have those hilarious poems of love that Chopin used to write

Those were a riot

>>70502112
You really hate Chopin for some reason.

>>70501958
Berlioz tbqhwy desu desu

>>70502073
1234

>>70499752
had never thought of beethoven as a trickster gnome before

Post GOAT performances: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb33Bsyt7N4

Is popular music degenerate?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12159865

http://www.strawpoll.me/12159865

http://www.strawpoll.me/12159865

>>70501762
I am number one on the /classical/ female composers defense task force and I gotta say she was an absolute shit composer

>>70501958
Probably Bernstein and Copland because they were actually gay.

>>70502339
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VblgQ2L0Yi0

>>70502479
You are wrong on both of those things.

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>tfw the goat french pianist will never record Debussy

>>70502719
other than this and the cello sonata, that is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-nI1u-93N4

>>70502727
go to bed, alex

>>70502851
>implying

>>70499752
Which recording do you prefer ?

Petzold

>>70492894
tonal music is shit

>>70503841
So what do you like anon ?
Is this to your taste ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVHl-pqaIYM&list=PLqRFNR9X0aMz0ciEmcdq_ohHktgLa2F5N&index=240
Or rather this ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UXP3707FLA&list=PLqRFNR9X0aMz0ciEmcdq_ohHktgLa2F5N&index=241

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>>70503841
>>70503999
My bad. I completely forgot :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O7y8W6JLdk

>>70503999
>>70504018
Better than tonal music.

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>>70487170
Am i doing the counterpoint thing right?
https://clyp.it/f5ljjfrb

Any mistakes?

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>>70505051
Here is second species, please review.
https://clyp.it/po03qfb4

Where can i find Ockeghem's Missa Prolationum performed by the Clerk's Group?

>>70505312
ill do the rest after i get some sleep

>>70505469
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2459891
first cd

>>70505492
Thanks man

>>70498745
>fewer arpeggios both as number and as percentage than literally any german composer even without counting bogthoven's and mozart's inane repetitions

>>70500931
>>70500978

It's amazing how bad Bach's music is when he decides to abstain from jigging. For what it's worth his greatest hits are very good for what they are, Balkan Manelists can't hold a candle to your average bog boogie. If you want music as a vehicle for getting down, with some harmonic shower thoughts thrown in there to rationalize it, then Bach's your man.

But when you explore his repertoire beyond this, what you find is so appalling than even academia has denounced it.

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>>70505579
>jigging
>average bog boogie
>music as a vehicle for getting down
>harmonic shower thoughts

Am I supposed to laugh ?

Now THIS is how Mozart should be played

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9390xDUuPuU

>>70505635

No...? It's tragic.

>>70502339
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZbrRe5rHQU

>>70506128
This is all so obscure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tale_Ognenovski
Feel free to buy that abomination on amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Mozart-Ognenovski-Clarinet-Concertos-Tale/dp/B001PMRFYG

>>70506184
What he insinuated is that you're a jackass. His repertoire is vast and you're simply ignorant. Your vocabulary is also extremely limited and stupid, so it's clear you don't know what you're talking about.

>>70506632

What does my vocabulary have to do with this and how are vocabularies in general indicative of one's expertise in non-linguistic fields?

Also, click this:

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=_Ka289l3W0Q&video_start=0&audio=k-Tw1sqzkfk&audio_start=6

>>70504018
>>70503999
still better than some nerd trying to be the new bach

>>70502339
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fs6z3HOJVk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJExH-f7Zzs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkTRoW1sXAc <- listen to this one if you don't want to listen to all 3

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This is my proposed progression. Almost finished the first one. Thoughts?

>inb4 too ambitious

>>70507467
Are those your practice pieces ?

>>70507549
No I meant pieces that I need to learn starting as a beginner.

>>70507609
Are you taking lessons ?
For how long have you been playing ?

>>70507609
Obvious bait

>>70506128
what the fuck

>>70502238
not working :/

>>70508036
try pippo9

>>70507467
if you're a beginner you should start by learning simple pieces or pieces that your teacher chooses, instead of choosing the most meme difficult piano pieces you can find.
Listen to more music and find a hard piece that you really want to learn, cus learning those pieces is gonna take you years.

Also just realized that this post is probably bait, but have my sincere advice anyway

>>70508124
don't think it's bait, this kind of stupidity is everywhere

>>70508179
y but the fact that he wants to learn moonlight sonata but only the 3rd mov makes me think its bait lol

>>70508331
On the other hand he thinks winter wind is op 11 no 25, not op 25 no 11, clearly a stupid casual

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Discuss.

>>70500631
I like this, what's this guy's story?

>>70509000
>"Pleasure is the Law"
I guess that's why you had so many affairs huh

>>70509065
Is Debussy's music degenerate?

>>70493605

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESG8vtYgr-M

petzold

>>70503999
>>70504018
if you don't think this shit is badass, you're missing out.

Why are Stravinsky's three Greek ballets so underrated?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE49QHcqEpk

some classical guitar
aka cs_italy song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZSYVruI4Uk

>>70497991
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy8MUnlT9Oo

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What does /classical/ look like?

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>>70511312

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>>70511312

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>>70511312
Elliot?

>>70511396
who is this attractive female?

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>>70511312
I'm waiting for that chart Calcium.

>>70511312
Now those are some dick-sucking lips

>>70491130
>best counterpoint
>brandenburg concertos.

Confrimed pleb.

>>70490735
AoF.

>>70512406
Fuck off bitch.

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>>70493909

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>>70501488
.......I don't know what to think about this post.... is he being serious?

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>>70511312

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>>70509114
Its both degenerate and regenerate

It inspired Regenrates like Stravinsky, Reich, Bartok, and Messiaen

But also paved the way for hacks like John Cage, Feldman, Stockhausen

None of them were nearly as talented as the Monsieur, which is why they failed in taking his ideas into interesting territories

Anyways the man influenced pic related, so his influence is a positive one

I can't mozart
help me

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>>70513519
Listen to Mozart

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Favorite Mahler symphony? Probably the 6th for me
>that final A
the 9th is also an excellent contender

>>70508331
Fuck off it's not even bait you faggot

>>70513754
The 8th.

>>70513754
the 1st, the other ones are way too discursive and bombastic.

>>70513754

I like that one with the fanfares and the clanging.

>>70509000
Meanwhile he sounds like shit compared to Ravel who basically cleaned up his act

>>70513810
Yeah I get your point, he's definitely not a master of restraint. I'm just a sucker for those overly emphatic crescendos.

>>70513519
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw4kMpi9B1I
I recommend Landowskas tender interpretations of his sonatas.
Also :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvxYE8L8acg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC07RyBBGDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bmCuPyBSAI

>>70513623
>Clara Haskil
My nigerian acquaintance

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Anyone know where i can pirate this?

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>>70513754

>>70513754
9th for sure, the last movement is impeccable

Brahms Violin concerto is #1

>>70513754
5, 4 and 3

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>>70514440
yes

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Holy shit this is so good

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Is he the new meme?

Albrechsberger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgScDJmOyWg

>>70513841
Ravel was a perma virgin who peaked in 20's

He was on top of his game in Pre war era, but can't compete against Jeux, The Preludes, late sonatas, and En blanc et noir

>>70515921
and Etudes

What are Ravel's best works?

Can someone rec me something similar to Bartok's 4th string quartet? It's my favourite piece by far

>>70516340
Petzold

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>>70516394

>>70516340
Bartók's 5th String Quartet

>>70516266
good question maybe someday we'll find them

>>70516760
go away unfunny faggot

>>70516266
Piano Trio in A minor imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFfoTqQbjA4

>>70516266
His Piano Concertos and piano music in general, I recordings by Zimerman and Tharaud

>>70509065
>>70509114
In art that's a valid point, maybe even moreso than pure intellectualism as art is practically a looking glass at the senses of the artist

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hello /mu/, is this good counterpoint? What can i do to improve?

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>>70511312
Cringed and vomited at the same time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJaXP49YQ5s

>>70518252
sey, i ekil eht tniopretuoc ni olabmec

>>70519140
where is poly when you need him

>>70519234
>implying poly knows what he's talking about

someone tell me what these things are and why they are important?
>secondary chords, borrowed chords, augmented and Neapolitan 6th chords

>>70519528
They're kinds of chords and they make your music sound particular ways.

>>70506128
epic

>>70519528
Have you tried reading their wikipedia articles?

>>70520695
No

Recommend underrated baroque keyboard works.

>>70521210
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXXRsELFMvY

>>70521378
Clearly, a type A composer. Good stuff, thanks.

>>70521210
a. scarlatti's keyboard sonatas are frequently overshadows by d's

>>70521584
That's because Alessandro's concerti grossi are his best works.

>>70521640
true, but still underrated

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>>70515921
>normies even virgin-shame deceased geniuses

Yes, I am mad

>>70521750
There's nothing normal about virgin-shaming.

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>>70521210
I hope you dont have perfect pitch

>>70519234
being a self-mythologizing samefaggot :^)

>>70521824
false

>>70521871
No, only neurotic weirdos do it.

>>70521899
no, the neurotic weirdos are too busy being the virgins.

>>70521957
I guess that makes you a neurotic weirdo.

>>70518252
Did you ever use the /comp/ threads back in the day?

>>70521980
and a virgin :^)

>>70523007
And there's nothing wrong with that. If you actually went out and talked to a lot of normal people, you'd notice that none of them care about your sex life, and wouldn't shame you for it.

>>70523221
Petzold

>>70523852
I wonder if he was a virgin.

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>>70514924
>implying he isn't goat

What's an example of bad classical? I know that we have so many great artists to sift through, but I am curious if there's someone who's been known historically for being shit.

>>70524460
Petzold

>>70524460
Satie

>>70524460
Some good examples include Bach, Handel, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Schumann, Chopin, Mendelssohn, Liszt, Wagner, Verdi, Brahms, Mahler, Richard Strauss, Debussy, Stravinsky, Bartok, Prokofiev, and Messiaen.

>>70524632
He was a satirist to be fair.

>>70524719
ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>>70524668
This desu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muPNlnm_i44

>>70524731
Some of his music has actually made me laugh.

Do people here actually play brass/woodwind?

>>70524770
like?

>>70524889
The one where he makes fun of Beethoven.

>>70524889
Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_mSam4pBdE

I think we can get Baldwin out of this!

.^ delete that

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>>70524992
I don't get it family

>>70524992
holy shit

Do many of your friends like classical music or is it something you enjoy mostly alone?

>>70525769
A coauthor/colleague of mine actually listens to quite a bit of Rach and Prokofiev

>>70524460
PDQ Bach

>>70525797
Gotta love that Russian neo-Romanticism.

>>70525769
Pretty much everyone likes classical if you play them the right pieces. But yeah, my friends like classical. We go to concerts and listen to it. My buddy loves La Sacre so much he played it to his dad, who also enjoyed it.

>>70518563
oh shit she sing too, damn thats super human

>>70524840
I play saxophone (I want to die)

>>70526109
What's wrong with saxophones?

>>70524840
used to play euphonium, thinking of buying one

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>>70524840
Played alt sax for around 8 years. Spend the last year with an ensemble.
After that I switched to the piano.

>>70526174
almost no orchestral literature lmao
no I don't want to fucking play Bolero

How can I tell if a melody of mine is beautiful?

>>70526622
You should be able to tell intuitively. If you can't, then it's shit.

>>70526622
Start by listening to it

>>70526655
Just be yourself.

>>70526678
That's not even close to what I'm saying.

>>70526622
You hear it and you think "damn, that's beautiful"

>>70526763
I do but it feels a little simple harmonically

>>70526912
Nothing wrong with simple. Which instrument are you composing for ?

>>70526969
Classical era orchestra + piano to make it a concerto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjP0_cP8TA8

Is he the next Mozart?

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>>70527021
Just amazing......

>>70527021
No. Despite all the shilling the concerto is quite enjoyable though. I would rather listen to a full orchestral version with piano of this than having to endure some atrocious commissioned composition.

>>70527064
>the concerto is quite enjoyable though
Said no one ever

>>70527084
But anon
>>70527055
He's better than Rach!

>>70526995
Just work on it then if it doesn't sound right to you.
Is the melody supposed to be your main theme ? Have you tried working out the orchestral parts around it ?

>>70527117
So are a lot of people to be fair

>>70527123
No my main theme is fine I think, this is just stuff to prolong the first section of the slow movement

>>70527055
how autistic do you have to be to comb through the comments and quote every single bit of praise like that

don't make me make the new thread

Was Beethoven really as 'romantic' as widely thought?

>>70527169
Don't make it

>>70527393
It is tempting to think of Beethoven's substitute dominants as having something in common with the harmonic structures of the Romantic period, but his harmonic freedom is of a different order and nature. When the Romantic composer is not following an academic theory of form-that is, when he is not writing what he felt should be called a 'sonata' -his secondary tonalities are not dominants at all, but subdominants: they represent a diminishing tension and a less complex state of feeling, and not the greater tension and imperative need for resolution implied by all of Beethoven's secondary tonalities.

No comparable subdominant relationship can be found in any work of Beethoven. His expansion of the large-scale harmonic range took place within the limits of the classical language, and never infringed on the tonic-dominant polarity or the classical movement towards a greater tension away from the tonic.

baroque > renaissance = moderns >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> romantic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> classical

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>>70527618
Indeed.

>>70527634
Lol at Kiss Me, Kate being under "opera" rather than "light opera"

>>70527436
That was a pleasant read.
Do you have further thoughts on the adagio and arioso dalente in Op. 110 ? Especially regarding its unusual notation.

>>70527618
Let me revise that :
baroque = renaissance = romantic = classical >>>>>> Top 40 pop hits >>>>>>> your taste > neue Musik

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NEW THREAD

>>70528222
>>70528222