is it patrician?

no, Mariah is a hack

i think yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed0lyo7Xf3E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzQjUCp7H1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFskn9JPfJI

>>70424789
she may be now, but she still has a few albums with artistic merit under her belt

>>70424782
1986-2006 Mariah is patrician

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Mariah Carey [Columbia, 1990]

I swear I didn't know her mama was an opera singer, but I'm embarrassed that I didn't guess. She gets too political in her brave, young, idealistic attack on "war, destitution and sorrow": "Couldn't we accept each other/Can't we make ourselves aware." Elsewhere she sticks to what she doesn't know--love. Debbie Gibson, all is forgiven. C

Emotions [Columbia, 1991] *bomb*

Music Box [Columbia, 1993] *bomb*

Butterfly [Columbia, 1997] *bomb*

#1's [Columbia, 1998]

"Fantasy [Featuring ODB]" *choice cuts*

Rainbow [Columbia, 1999]

Not a "real" r&b thrush, but good enough to fake it ("Heartbreaker," "Crybaby"). **

E=MC2 [Island, 2008]

"Touch My Body" *choice cuts*

Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel [Island, 2009] *bomb*

>>70424782
YES

>>70425454
#rekt

>>70425454
Kinda expected that desu. Christgau has a major hateboner for wannabe opera singers. Mariah, Whitney, J-Lo...he didn't like any of 'em.

>>70425636
yeah I kind of agree. that early 90s period when Mariah and Whitney ruled and it was a thing to ride the scales, so to speak.

>>70425636
J-Lo? doesn't quite fit with the other 2

>>70425699
I'm a little sleep deprived right now, but I do remember him disliking J-Lo.

>>70425747
she's been the punching bag of critics her entire career. take a look at her metacritic page for both movies and music. it's a shit show. i always thought she had a few great songs though

Her debut album has aged surprisingly well.

>>70425870
as a pop fan i honestly like most of the songs from her first few albums.
>career highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8YGZrVuFJ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN9fX9AicZ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txA0Xmvxs7k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siWA5wAiTm8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXsXHWaHbUo
imo this was reminiscent of a more mature britney

>>70425636
He likes Janet Jackson, so fuck him.

>useless, talentless skank who would be a cashier at Target if her name were Janet Smith

>>70425950
I meant Mariah's debut album. J-Lo was like 30 when she started, so no derp she sounds more adult than Britney.

>>70425956
janet makes better music than any of her peers are now? unbreakable was actually good
>>70426003
mariah's debut album aged ok, better than most from that time i guess

>>70426048
bait?

>>70426062
>mariah's debut album aged ok, better than most from that time i guess
Prolly because it's not overrun with dated early 90s production tricks.

>>70426062
Mariah's debut album is one of the greatest albums of all time.

>>70426114
i mean i guess. there are a few songs where it's really bad though.
>>70426116
she's topped it and she doesn't have any albums that are GOAT

>>70425694
Her voice is starting to give out now and Whitney was declining when she died. That kind of singing kills the hell out of your throat with enough time.

>>70426223
>shes like the best ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b8erWuBA44

>>70426223
>>70426048
...Claire?

>>70426249
the past decade has been really unkind to her appearance

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>>70426223
Grimes confirmed /mu/tant

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>>70426245
>kills the hell out of your throat

>>70426281
shes like almost 50

>>70426245
Whitney was a fucking horrible drug addict.

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>>70426325
yea but like... this should not happen in less than 10 years

>>70425956
Christgau wrote an entire essay on how much he wanted to fuck JJ.

>>70426439
By the standards of the average woman (meaning not able to afford the best cosmetics/doctors/plastic surgeons/personal trainers/dietitians money can buy), she's aged really well.

>>70426479
i guess the weight gain is just dragging down her appearance, she could lose 40-50 lb and look much better desu

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>>70426223 (Dead)
>>70426048 (Dead)

WHY WERE THESE DELETED

WAS IT GRIMES??

>>70426562
it was grimes

>>70426439
>>70426479
>>70426510
It's called "gaining tons of weight" and "going to a random Hollywood plastic surgeon and telling him to give you the works plus a little extra on top of that"

>>70426675
i feel like she hasn't had that much work done
she just doesn't hold extra weight well at all
she for sure had her boobs done in 1999 tho

>>70425636
He also didn't like Britney because too white trash for his tastes.

Yes 10/10. Butterfly is also a masterpiece

>>70426750
The pop equivalent of Guns'N'Roses. Soared too high too fast and melted in the sun.

>>70426219
She's never topped the debut album. There is no song after the debut album that is better than There's Got To Be A Way or All In Your Mind.

>>70426880
Her debut album was absolutely massive in 1990; it was racing neck and neck with Like A Prayer for the top of the charts.

>>70426787
yeah that's pretty pathetic to be totally finished by the age of 25

>>70424782
Fantasy is one of my all time favorite songs, dunno what it says about me. I think this is like the original Emotion, if it came out today it'd be received like it anyway.
>>70425454
Christgau fucking sucks at reviewing dunno how he has a following.

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>>70426787
>>70426975
Are you talking about Britney? Her latest album is actually a really fun listen and sorely underrated, I'm guessing because s4k didn't review it so it's not "in" with the "cool" kids

>>70427006
>Christgau fucking sucks at reviewing dunno how he has a following

Pretty much only because he was one of the first rock critics and way outlasted all his peers. Otherwise Lester Bangs owned him.

>>70426975
Britney went schizo for a while and also had kids; her career never recovered from it, although she does get a few small points for having them at a more proper age than half these pop skanks who have a kid at like 45. Other than that...

>>70426880
there are many songs better than those tho.. like the one on daydream

>>70426975
She has a show in Vegas that she rakes in $15M per year from

>>70426787
tbf Britney was the first person to really give Madonna a scare and make her feel insecure and past it. none of the various pop singers in the 90s like Mariah and Janet could dethrone her, but Britney finally managed it.

>>70427089
glory kinda sucked ngl but it had a couple decent songs. sorry but britney's just done and has been for like 6 years

>>70427266
nobody has dethroned madonna tho? especially not shitney

Madonna is just a sad old woman who can't accept that it is no longer 1988. Pay her no heed.

"I dated Madonna for a time. I was 24 and she was 33, a lot older than me, in fact the oldest woman I've ever been with. And she was good in bed."

-- Vanilla Ice

the definitive ranking: madge > janet > mariah > shitney

>>70427267
>glory kinda sucked
Yeah nah

>>70427267
I'm pretty sure Britney's been done since 2006.

this just screams "in about 8 years im gonna become a cokehead and shave my head"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0bPrt69rag
>>70427368
it had too much filler and too little killer

>>70427389
nah all of these came out after that time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVhJ_A8XUgc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMqayQ-U74s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-sxSd1uwoU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elueA2rofoo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTs6oQx1WJY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aEnnH6t8Ts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4FF6MpcsRw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Edv8Onsrgg
quite a respectable string of hits and a few of them went #1 on the Hot 100

>>70427402
>make me
>private show
>slumber party
>what you need
>liar
>if I'm dancing

And even the "filler" was good dance pop

Arguably her best album by far

So nowadays it's a contest between the spooky skeleton, the Hillary mouthpiece, and two niggresses.

>>70427503
it's her best since blackout but that isn't saying much at all.......

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>>70427389
>I don't see her on TMZ anymore so she's done
The real problem is her marketing hype machine is done, she's probably blacklisted or something

>>70427516
No Grimes?

>>70427574
Grimes is irrelevant outside of the containment threads on here.

Grimes is more relevant than Britney even to normies

>>70427560
>favorably received by most critics
>including Pitchfork who called it a damn fine album
>"that isn't saying much at all"

Obv she's not deep intelligent classical avant garde experimental folk bro but she's one of the all time pop queens

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>>70427631
Here's your (You)

>>70427631
This

>>70427682
i was being serious. a ton of teenagers listen to grimes but they dont give a fuck about britney these days

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>>70427631
>>70427720
>>70427758
ok

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>>70427892
holy shit grimesfags destroyed

>>70427892
FUCKING DELET THIS

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>>70427194
Daydream is a 9/10 album
Mariah Carey is a 10/10 album

>>70428920
Mariah Carey is a 7 or 8 / 10 desu
daydream is like a good 8.5
butterfly is a good 8.3
rainbow is a good 5.7

>>70424789
I'm really disappointed that she chose to make bubblegum pop with that voice.