/gg/ - Guitar and Bass General

hi

what does /gg/ think of the new vox nutube amps? a lot of wattage for a hired gun

>>70383133

>Solid state power amp

Dropped. Interesting though.

>>70382923
UGLY

How do I split a 10/8 time bar into 2 bars

How would I go about playing my guitar through my PC with my pedals and live-streaming it to Twitch? What would I need to buy?

>>70383242

Just an audio interface to plug your guitar into. You can pirate the necessary amp-simulator software (I like Amplitube best, some prefer Guitar Rig).

>>70383198
5/4 x2

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>tfw I will never own this ultimate dj0nt machine

>>70383269
so guitar > pedals > audio interface > amp-sim and that's it?

>>70383367

Yup. I'd highly suggest getting into Rocksmith if you're gonna stream though, it's much more entertaining for viewers. In which case you just use the 'RealTone' cable that the game requires.

You can use a crack to play the game without the cable (just use your audio interface in place of the cable), but I've struggled to get that working correctly.

>>70383464
thanks for your input but i'm not really into rocksmith. i'm mainly a drummer but i've been playing guitar more lately so i don't have to rely on other people to write music for me. i thought i'd start taking lessons once a week and stream my progress while i just practice and have fun in between lessons.

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did someone say dj0nt?

Looking at Shin-ei fy2 companion fuzz clones. Probably gonna go the Solid Gold FX Sasori, also had a look at the Earthquaker Devices Terminal and I probably don't require the extra tone knob.
Thoughts?

In 2 weeks I will join a band for their first practice to see if it works out.
I've only been playing for 5 months and never before with a band.
Any tips or advice?

>>70384321
Practise, practise, practise.

Learn as many of their songs as possible - they should have some sort of recording available even if it's a room mike from rehearsal or a desk feed.

>>70383269
It's not that easy to stream to twitch. The reason is that you'll probably use an audio interface that uses some kind of ASIO drivers that your streaming program (OBS or other) will not detect correctly, so you will not stream the sound of the guitar.
You can feed your mic trough the HP cables or use some program that will transform the ASIO output into a Windows drivers sound.

>>70384346
nah it's their first practice too so they are trying to cover a few songs before getting into writing their own, but they gave me a list of 4 songs they want me to learn, so i'll be doing the practice for sure

>>70384368
Get those down, then.

You want to be able to get through them without chord charts.

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Who is the best and why is it Adrian?

>>70384392
Always liked Dave more

any opinions on the Yamaha FG800? I've been trying out a bunch of acoustics figuring out which one I want to get and it's the one I've liked the most so far. My playing style is kind of a mix of fingerstyle and chords (think Elliott Smith)

>>70384470
It's good

>>70384470
It's bad

>>70384470
>FAG800

>>70384470
seagull s6

>>70383291
>>70383509
>>70382923
>memetars
out you 13 year olds its not a car its a guitar

>>70384470
Martin OM45

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>>70384545
wtf did you really just assume my age you agist shitlord

anyone here play country?

How long does it take to develop calluses? I'm learning guitar right now and I'm being dilligent about it but my fingers keep getting cut up and bleed and that makes it not fun to play

>>70384615

Chet Atkins/Jerry Reed style fingerpicking

>>70384674
2 weeks

dont play so much that you cut yourself, it will take logner to heal. play in 15-30 minute sessions

>>70383198
It depends on the way the beat is divided.

>>70383276
5/8 maybe, if it's 3+2+3+2.

Hey guys, looking for an amp that I could use for jamming/band practice/small gigs around the €500-700 mark. At that kind of price range do you think it's a good idea to go the tube route or should I just bite the bullet and get a digital modelling amp, most likely the Boss meme 100W. I generally like a dirty, fast and loose style sound, but would really like a good clean channel too and if the amp could handle a metal sound also that'd be awesome. Cheers guys.

>>70384996
>dirty, fast and loose style sound

tube amps and modelling amps are basically opposites

tube amps do one or two 'sounds' really really well, and then you can add some pedals to make it a little funkier, etc.

whereas modelling amps are designed to do 1000 sounds pretty darn well. and some, like the kemper, come very very very very very close. but it just isn't the same. maybe it's just meme magic or placebo effect, but there's somethign a bit more honest about the sound of a tube amp.

the best way to decide is just get out there and demo some amps. andertons vids are also pretty comprehensive gear reviews, despite chappers shitty guitar playing.

What are some good funk sounding chords?
What's the theory behind that?

>>70385131
11th and 13ths

Find Nile Rodgers videos on YouTube, he talks about it.

Cool brah but can you do a production and mix like this?

https://clyp.it/qs24dagq

>>70385159
Thanks

>>70385159
Why not say 6 instead of 13
It sucks cause i have to count in the fingers

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>when youre a macho country singer with a 19yo qt gf and about to hit the real big time but all you want is a fok in te bum

>>70385196
because a major 6th =/= a 13th chord

also he's meming you. a 13th chord has the 1 3 5 7 9 11 + 13th, that's 7 notes. impossible to play on guitar (unless youre a memester)

>>70385253
No, a 6th and 13th are the same interval

Where did you take the 7 9 11 from? A 13th chord is just 1 3 5 13

>>70385287
Learn how chords work

>>70385304
I already know, tell what is wrong

>>70385253
Not memeing at all, you just need to be creative with what you leave in or out with how you voice the chords

>>70385131
9# chords are funky as hell

>>70385309
they call it a 13th because it includes those notes, the same way a 9th is different from an add4

>>70385309
triad = 1 3 5
7th = 1 3 5 7
9th = 1 3 5 7 9
11th = 1 3 5 7 9 11
13th = 1 3 5 7 9 11 13

what you described was an added 6th chord

>>70385059
That's good advice, if I could afford a kemper I reckon I would pull the trigger on one. However I can't and I have to admit, there is something special about playing a tube amp imo, like you say maybe it is just meme magic but hey if you think it makes a difference then it does, even if it's only in your own head. Been looking at some Orange amps, even their solid state stuff seems pretty good. Unfortunately my local guitar store is shite incarnate so it's not always that easy to try gear out.

I actually like Chappers vids, but the more I develop as a player, the less impressive his memery seems.

>>70385426
the fender hot rod iii is pretty well reviewed and should fall within your price range.

you might be able to get like a used deluxe or princeton reverb, ac30, etc. just remember that tube amps are loud as all fuck whereas a modelling amp can sound great at bedroom volumes.

>>70385663
Hmm I hadn't considered the hot rod actually, might be a good shout that, cheers

any of you also feel like they got stuck with the guitar and no matter how you practice you don't do any progress?

>>70385719
you gotta practice the stuff youre not good at, not the stuff you already know

>>70385749
Also learn how to practise

>>70385760
advice on this please.
also on posture and ergonomy.
not jokin, I want to improve and I'm not going anywhere

>>70385216
wtf you gay fag

>>70385059
Most new guitarists miss the reason why tube amp's are still so popular. The thing about a good tube amp is that you can set it up to react naturally to your picking dynamics. With a good tube amp you can set it to sound cleanish with light picking and distorted when you slash out a hard power chord. A single volume knob on your guitar takes those variations in controllable dynamic distortion even further. This is just the natural way most good tube amps behave.

Now if picking dynamics don't matter in your music then a solid state/modeling amp will do the job just fine (see Dimebag with his Randall and all the Djent 0-0-0 babbys who use the Fractal Modelers).

>>70385790
plenty of modelling amps are capable of replicating dynamic sensitivty. even cheap ones like the thr10

>tfw i can suddenly not write a decent song to save my life
i fear my existence has become completely uninspiring

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>>70385776
https://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-105-PracticeTips.php

use the links on the sticky lad

>>70385776
Isolate the parts you have trouble with - recording yourself is great for finding what is wrong - this could be a tricky run, chord change, even a single shift or whatever.

Slow the problem down to a speed where you cannot play it wrong and gradually increase speed, then make sure you are able to play in and out of the passage as well.

A big part of practise is being able to analyse what is causing the problem - it could be a shitty fingering or getting out of sync with your picking.

With posture, sit up straight a don't hunch over the neck trying to watch you fingers - classical position is good for this.

>>70385809
I owned a Kemper, it can't. When I A/B the modeled tone with my main rig it wasn't even close. It didn't even sound close to my Mesa never mind the nonexistent dynamics.

>>70384519
>>70384522
>>70384535
>>70384548
this sure was helpful

>>70385868
welcome to /gg/

(git gud or git goin)

>>70385843

I've been thinking on go back to the classical position. I let it years ago but maybe it will solve a couple of problems I have right now (I need the guitar pretty close to my chest and I got a lot of tension on my right arm and shoulder when trying to pick fast)

>>70385815
>>70385843
Thanks for advice.

whats a good theory book that focuses on jazz?

>>70385698
Have not read previous messages
But if you don't mind buying bugera, the V55 a good alternative to a hot rod, and depending on where you live it might be REALLY cheap.

>>70386004
did you check out the resources on the sticky?

Name 3 guitars I should have

>>70386363
White Falcon, original 50's Strat and the EVH guitar Dimebag has in his grave

>>70385790
>all the Djent 0-0-0 babbys who use the Fractal Modelers).

Based retard, I'm pretty sure the dynamics are good enough when even Metallica are using the Axe-Fx

I never had a formal musical education and I feel like it's stunting my creativity. I can play songs and stuff that sounds good, but I'm not sure why I'm playing it if that makes sense. Should I take lessons? How do I tell if a teacher is decent or not?

>>70386557
What about the one remaining playable Stradivarius guitar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGKan6eX5ug

>>70386363
Strat or tele, les paul, acoustic

bonus: semi hollowbody electric

>>70386683
You can do so much with just that

>>70386611
JUSTIN

GUITAR

MUSIC

THEORY

DOT

NET
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAD THE FUCKING STICKY

>>70386725
For example?

>>70386728
I'd much rather have an actual teacher.

>>70386604
>>all the Djent 0-0-0 babbys who use the Fractal Modelers).
>Based retard, I'm pretty sure the dynamics are good enough when even Metallica are using the Axe-Fx

Then they pair it up to a tube power amp.

>>70386738
your teacher should have a BA or greater in music and have several years of experience teaching. you'll know after a few lessons if theyre the right teacher for you.

>>70386604
The list of Fractal user's is getting pretty impressive.

>>70386734
literally any genre ever

put emgs in the LP and you can even play metal

>>70386738
>>70386611

Talk to some teachers about what you want out of lessons most guys will be pretty honest about what they can and cant teach.

Have a trial lesson or two with the one you like best and go from there

>>70386845
Nah, I'm pretty sure some neckbeard on /mu/ knows more about tone than these people

http://www.fractalaudio.com/artists.php

Hell, even Ghost started using them, if there's any band that needs to have """authentic""" tone it's them

>>70386738
A teacher will not help you. They cannot do the work for you. Stop being lazy and start playing your gay guitar and acquiring info.

>>70386913
teachers can give direction, structure, and help correct/improve technique

especially in the early stages a teacher is very valuable

>>70386728
>JUSTIN
>GUITAR
>MUSIC
>THEORY
>DOT
>NET
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAD THE FUCKING STICKY
Wew lad. It's very obvious the middle school is off today.

I just noticed that I upstroke every note with my nail
I barely play with a pick as well.

Should I force myself to play with a pick before it's too late?

Post your dream gear

Guitars:
Les Paul with a Super Distortion original from the 70s
Strat with 57/62 Pickups
Tele
ES339
Fly-V with floyd

Acoustics:
Gibson J200 Acoustic
Good 12string acoustic

Amps:
Marshall Stack (1959SLP Plexi is ideal but i wouldnt complain having a JCM800)
Fender Tweed Harvard
Fender Twin Reverb or a Lab Series L5

>>70387263
You should force yourself to think about what you post to improve the overall quality of the internet

Should i keep at songrwiting?

https://clyp.it/f3natz0h

>>70387331
does it matter? in 24 hours this thread is gone anyway

>>70387246
i think we're all tired of people not reading the sticky

>>70387377
Despite what the sticky would have you think Justin Guitar and Musictheory.com aren't the end all of learning to play a guitar.

>>70387389
when a good goy says he knows 'nothing about theory' and where should he start, it's pretty obvious that musictheory.net is a good place to start.

GUITAR SHAPE POWER RANKINGS:
1. Telecaster
2. Strat
3. Les Paul
4. Explorer
5. V
6. SG
POWER GAP
100. Headless shits

>>70387290
Axe-Fx 2 and a custom made superstrat with HSH and coil tapping, literally all you need to cover 95% of genres

>>70387413
on shape alone?

strat > sg > telecaster > les paul > V > firebird >>>>>>>>>>>>explorer and every other metal guitar

>>70386863
>>70386837
Does this look like a decent teacher? There doesn't seem to be many in my area.

http://www.kzooguitarlessons.com/qualifications.htm

>>70387290
>Les Paul Black Beauty
>Gold Plated EMGs
> Original Block Letter 5150

Then I would sell it all and buy a kemper.

>>70387446
isn't an Explorer just a pointy Firebird?

>>70387456
Sounds OK

First lesson's free try him out

>>70383133
Might be cool actually. I wonder if they're going to be better than those little Orange amps.

>>70387480
fat bottomed geets make the rockin world go round

>>70387408
He asked for a teacher. A teacher is much better than musictheory.com. Pretty much any book he could order off amazon is better than it.

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>>70387413
>>70387446
Reminder

>>70387688
>humbuckers in a strat make you repugnant
perfect sense

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>>70387715
i'm almost positive its a schecter too.

>>70387688
oy vey, i wonder wonder who could be behind this chart

>>70386604
>>70386604
>>70386887
>Metallica
>Ghost
>t. triggered meal babby
lol, meal babbys only use Fractal modelers live because a lot of tube dynamic nuance gets lost in a live show when you have your mid knob set on 0, plus they end up save money on shipping because the unit is so light. You'll never see them being use in a recording situation though because of their subpar tone and dynamic response.

It's funny how upset you got just because some knowledgeable Anon on 4chan had the gall to contradict the advertising you're parroting though.

>>70387911
>live
>mid knob on 0

what kind of shitty metal are you listening to live?

>>70387943
The kind that uses Fractal modelers live.

>>70387943
scooped sound m8, take out the mid
was big in 80s metal for some reason

>they dont scoop their mids and use active emgs while chugging

heh

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hell yeah new strings

>>70387911
>I know more than the biggest and most famous bands on the planet

Based. Retard.

How does string gauge choice and material effect the sound of a guitar. IE: Nickle v Cobolt or .9 v .10 on High E.

>>70388052
Look pal we have experts here. Don't bother arguing.

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>>70387911
>justifying all the money he spent on 20th century garbage

>>70387911
TOOOOOOOBB AMPS WAH WAH WAH

i'm just sitting here bored with my classical guitar what should i practice?

>>70388231
goregrind

>>70388052
>I believe all the industry advertising I read without question
When you're getting scammed they call you a "mark", Anon. You'll learn the hard way, I guess.
>>70388061
>>70388134
>muh buzzword & meme nonresponses
Nice. What else you got?

>>70388231
Just like play guitar man.

>>70388231
speed metal

>>70387911
>Mommy bought me a tube amp for christmas
>I can't buy my own modeler because I am a literal poorfag babby
>I guess I'll have to justify my inferior product by using jew amp buzzwords.

t. (you)

>>70388256
i've been arranging beatles songs for the last couple days and i'm bored of that

>>70387688
what is the guitar at the absolute right?

>>70387688
this but the opposite

Anyone else here trying to develop a new genre / subgenre of music?

for the past few years I've been trying to blend the psychedelic / jamband sound of the Grateful Dead with death metal and stoner metal, is that even possible? I fantasize about being in a metal band with 7 string guitars playing brutal as fuck shit while we segue into a 20 minute ambient dorian jam

>>70388284
I had a Kemper, sorry. Nice strawman though.

>>70388294
some hippy shit jerry garcia guitar

Does anybody has a bigger sound than this goy https://youtu.be/sChXVJz4zd4

>>70388323
so Groove Metal?

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>>70387688
>total douchebag
>Ibanhads

>>70388341
>he isn't even jewish
why should i even click that link?

>>70388361
no, not at all.

imagine this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATMNVWq21A4

leading into something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xic-CHInek

>>70388376
Holy shit i typed goy


Is it a filter: testing. guy guy goy

>>70388332
"When I crank a 24-bit/192kHz recording of my girlfriend's voice through my $49 desktop speakers with 4" woofers in my cement block basement, it sounds nothing like when she's actually whispering in my ear at the park. Digital recording sucks!"

>>70388521
lmao you got all kinds of strawman arguments, huh?

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>>70388090
>"theory"
>"shredding"
>tapping
>pentatonic blues based scales
>alternate tunings
>name brand guitars
>guitars with more than six strings
>basses with more than four strings
>custom made guitars
>guitars made in china, korea, mexico, japan, or america
>pedals (especially boutique)
>tube amps (especially boutique)
>MODELING AMPS
>expensive cables

O am I laffin

>>70388323
>psychedelic / jamband sound of the Grateful Dead with death metal and stoner metal, is that even possible?
Completely, and especially so with stoner metal.
A bunch of bands already did the psychedelic aspects mixed with metal though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsBJ8Q_m-v8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iyPePg5XWQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_CG5fUE3po

Personally I'm not into trying to blend genres together, but rather trying to do new sound textures in an established genre or new kind of harmonies.
Except I'm bad at it and I can't buy zany pedals.

>>70387348
Anyone

>>70388661
none of those are jambands by any degree. Jam bands take their music and extend it out several minutes (sometimes as long as 45 minutes to an hour) of improvisation through a range of different keys and modes.

None of what you linked fits that qualification. Essentially what I'm trying to do is have that death metal sound, and then go into a prolonged jam similar to Phish and the Grateful Dead.

There are 0 metal bands like this, mainly because (i feel) that metal is a genre that doesn't have flexibility. Yes there are many different subgenres of metal; but none of them allow flexibility of the material mainly because everyone has their specific parts they need to know to perform.

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>>70382923
classical dj0nt

Anyone got tips for growing out and shaping nails for classical guitar?

>>70388231
see >>70388557

>>70388857
Growing? Nope.

I file them from the side "root", to the point it sometimes hurts the skin, straight to the middle of the tip, then round the tip somewhat.

Does anyone else here do a lot of fingernail strumming? I usually start with a pick anytime I pick up my guitars but I end up clamping in my hand and just using my fingers in no time. Even for lead playing.

>>70388011
How much? $400?

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here's a pic of what I mean

>>70388060
Nickle is less bright than steel. I've never used cobalt.

>>70386004
I'm just getting into Jazz but I have Hal Leonard's Jazz Guitar and The Real Book.

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am i right /gg/ or am i an tuism?

>>70389121
I never noticed the resemblance of that pattern to the standard tuning. Is that how standard tuning became a thing?

>>70388255
Yeah, you're right, I should listen to some 4chan poster with Downs syndrome instead of the people who literally need to sound as good as possible to make a living

>>70388616
>tfw i play a no name canadian guitar through a solid state non modelling amp and only use tabs

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>>70389174
>need to sound as good as possible to make a living
Poor ol' upset meal babby who believes every industry advertisement he reads.

Life's tough, it's even tougher when you're stupid.

>>70389149
i think, appart for the b string everything follow the same jumps so it allow for the best spread of notes

>>70389238
>Actually using the product live and in the studio is "advertisement"

Okay, thanks for confirming that you have Downs

Also, exactly what are you trying to prove by showing that a shitty black metal band, who are all about the image and nothing about the music, are posers?

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>>70389327

>>70389327
>nuh uh
>m-m-muh advertisement said
Ok, stupid.

>>70389072
160€, so 170ish dollarydoos

Thank fuck they don't have to be replaced often

>>70389376
>Going to shows and listening to bands that use the Axe-FX with your own ears is advertisement

Are you allowed to post on 4chan without your handler?

>>70389489
Hey, whatever you need to tell yourself to try and save face, stupid.

>>70389516
Damn, you got me, I'm just saving face, the biggest band on the planet doesn't know anything about tone, you know more than them

>>70389544
Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough already? This whole thing has been you getting triggered because I contradicted some advertisement you swallowed hook, line, and sinker like a typical teen meal babby.

The best part is you've never even used any of this equipment but I have and I speak from personal experience. You're just some autist sperging out over some paid advertisement he saw in Guitar World. Sad.

>>70389689
>The best part is you've never even used any of this equipment but I have and I speak from personal experience.

Nah, the best part is that you don't even understand the basics of how this gear works and still act like you know more than the biggest bands on the planet. What you played 3 years ago isn't relevant because the firmware updates on the Axe-Fx makes it better and better as time goes on. But sure, keep telling me why Metallica and their engineers are wrong and why an autist on 4chan knows better, you could probably land a high level gig with kind of knowledge.

>>70389853
>Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough already?
I'll take all that as a "no" then. Thanks.

>>70389689
>>70389853
fuck off

>>70389879
Explain to me, in your own words, why they're using it when it's obviously such an inferior product. Bonus points if you use words like "advertisement" and "shills"

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>>70389880
>Neo-4chan users don't know what b8 looks like, no matter how obvious.

>>70389941
You already gave your answer, no need to elaborate any further.

>>70389964
Solid argument, you better give James a call and tell him to fire their incompetent engineers who doesn't know anything about tone

>>70390020
Like I said, there's no need to elaborate any further.

>>70390036
Why not? You know more about tone than the biggest band on the planet, sounds like a great opportunity to get a solid gig and make boatloads of money

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>getting bullied on /gg/

>>70390125
I understand, you've made it clear you'll continue to embarrass yourself until the thread 404s. It's your prerogative, I guess.

>>70390242
I can do this all day, friend :)

When do you think Metallica will hire you? I bet you can offer a lot of insight that they haven't learned from being the biggest band on the planet for 30 years straight

>>70390371
>I can do this all day, friend :)
lol, I'm sure you will.

What else do you have to do, right?

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I am very interested in learning bass guitar. Keep in mind the only instrument i played on the past is the drums so i have a slight understanding of musical notes and values.

What brands are recommended for a beginner?
Where would i start to learn if i am looking to self teach and spend as little money as possible on the learning process (cost of guitar doesnt really matter but again, something for a beginner)?

>>70389942
KYS ROMAN

>>70390392
Not a whole lot, just jamming around on my modeler that I have connected to my PC because we live in the 21th century

>>70390400
Get a squier J or P bass. Listen to examples online, see what tone you prefer.

>>70390433
>Not a whole lot
Surprise surprise.

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>>70390409
You know you admire my work, family.

>>70390467
I know, I'm not as busy as somebody who works for Metallica and tells them what gear to use because they obviously know very little about gear

>>70390371
>I can continue to embarrass myself like this all day, friend :)
wew lad

>>70390517
>I'm not as busy as somebody who works
Hilarious.

>>70390467
I bet you're changing your tubes 15 hours a day right? Or maybe you hope a light breeze doesn't knock your little treasure amps off their perch and absolutely ruin them? OR MAYBE you spend all day praying that your speaker cable doesn't short and blow up your little toan machine right?

>>70390566
Yup, I bet you're at work 24/7 since you work for Metallica, those plebs who can use whatever shitty gear they want since nobody listens to them

>>70390577
>this level of white hot searing asspain
lol

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>>70390577
>>70390608
enjoy your stay autism lad

>>70390615
>>70390657
Thanks's for the (you)'s triggered babby's

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>>70390577
>>70390608
>>70390685
>YES I AM MAD AS FUCK
kek

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>>70390657
>Calling other people autists when they think modeling amps are shit and that the biggest artists on earth don't know what they're doing because they played a Line 6 10 years ago

Priceless

>>70390685
>I was merely pretending
lmao no you aren't

>>70390731
>reddit reaction image
nailed it

>>70390766
I think you quoted the wrong post
>>70390657

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>>70390733
I'm not even the original guy lmao. Stoking butthurt flames is fun tho.

what a shitfest

>>70390790
>I was merely pretending
see
>>70390733
>lmao no you aren't

>>70390835
reddit can't handle the bantz ;__;

>>70390835
M A D B A N T Z
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>>70390782
no i didn't

>Can't tell the difference between real amps and modeling amps in blind tests
>Still argues that real amps are superior

Sunk cost fallacy right there

Modeling amps really are shit though.

Every.

Last.

One.

Tube amp Master race reporting in for duty.

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Can we all agree that Pete is trying to destroy /gg/ after seeing this shitshow.

>>70390918
See
>>70390908

>>70390930
Nope.

>>70390926
if it can be killed then it should be killed
everyone would be better off in the end anyway

>>70390918
this

>>70390918
>>70391000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost

>>70390945
Yes, that's what the sunk cost fallacy is

>modeling amps model *real* amps
I'd rather just have a real amp then

>>70391043
Nope.

>>70391052
Go ahead, the rest of us are actually interested in music and play more genres than bl00z and dadrock and need more than one sound

>>70391052
/argument

>>70391052
>one 60 pound 100% real amp
>hundreds of 99% real amps in a 20 pound box

wew

>>70391097
k

>>70391052
don't modelling amps sounds shittier and shittier the higher you turn them up? my micro terrror sounds better and better the higher i turn it up

what is a pete and why does gg hate it?

>>70391052
this

>>70391161
we are talking about modelers like kemper and axe-fx not shitty little line 6 combos retard. Kempers are literally simulate tube amps in every way.

>>70391161
Modeling amps sound like shit at any volume honestly.

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>>70391161
>Comparing a $100 amp to $1500-2500 amps

Ampfags, everybody

>>70391077
Yup.

>>70391198
>simulate tube amps
rather just have a real amp then

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Just upped my meme level lads.

>>70391244
Why do you not understand that you aren't just getting one amp. A modeler can do anything, actually amps are stuck into one sound forever.

>>70391265
>Why do you not understand that you aren't just getting one amp.
no I am because I'm getting a real amp

>>70391265
i assume he has an interface if he's recording his music, in which case he can pirate software if he wants to play around with different amp sounds. otherwise, i assume he won't need to switch from a heavy metal tone to a bluegrass tone in a live environment

Should i buy a used fake fender for 50 euros? Or should I save up for a better one?

>>70390908
>Sunk cost fallacy
Uh oh! We got ourselves an economics professor over here now /gg/!

Too bad we were talking about amps and not economics until you tried to move the goalposts, huh?

LMAO

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>>70391338

>>70391265
>jack of all trades
>master of none
I'd rather just have a real amp in that case

>>70384392
adrian is more useful because he can sing too. dave and janick are too similar to pick one over the other.

do you hear how on the first half of the riff, i jump the beat by a 16th? i think that's what's happening at least
https://soundcloud.com/justin1171/still-waiting-riff
i tried replacing it with just a pause or holding out the previous note and it sounds lower energy. it's not that i'm messing up and doing it accidentally, it was an intentional decision but idk if it was a good one. but i want to know will it sound bad if the bass stays perfectly in line with the drums? should the bass jump a 16th note early on the transitions i do as well?

>>70391383
>paints exact replica of the sistine chapel ceiling
>drips small amount of paint in a 2x2 inch area
>lol what a pleb

t. (you)

>>70389149
"standard tuning" became a thing because tuning a guitar in fifths (how every other string instrument is tuned) is extremely uncomfortable when you're trying to play scales.

The guitar is therefore tuned in fourths to make scale playing easier.

>>70391265
Not the same bro. Nothing beats the feeling of using a real tube amp. Which makes you play better. Which makes the record better. You don´t need that much amps neither to cover a lot of tones. A good high gain amp (EVH, Orange thunder/rocker verb, Mesas,...) a good Clean amp (any Fender) and a good Overdrive-Medium gain amp (Ac15, Tiny terror, mesas) is all you need. Or getting one that can nail all three (a mkV maybe??).

>>70391442
even most high gain amps can do cleans alright

>>70391286
https://youtu.be/oipeeZs65EI?t=697

>He doesn't have bluegrass breakdowns in his metal songs

>>70391436
>computer tries it's best to fake a bunch of real amps
I'd would I waste my time when I could just get a real amp to begin with? Modeling amps are unnecessary

>>70391525
that tone doesn't require a different amp though, it just requires either a clean channel or turning down the volume on your guitar until it's clean

70391554
the better question is why would you spend your time acting retarded on the internet for attention

>>70391442
>Nothing beats the feeling of using a real tube amp.

Literally no difference if you hook up your modeler to a cabinet, and then you have access to hundreds of amps instead of just one

How much does Kemper pay these guys?

>>70391597
Seriously though why would I waste my time on a computer simulation when I could just go get a real amp to begin with? Your argument makes no sense

>>70391609
stop responding to him

the 5th time i say it makes it even funnier. these guys are such fools

>>70391554
>I'd would I waste my time when I could just get a real amp to begin with?

So there's only one amp in the world you want? You must really enjoy playing guitar

>Modeling amps are unnecessary

Yup, super unnecessary to have access to any kind of amp, cabinet and effect you want in a little black box that you can store presets on and recall them any time you want without having to remember if the bass knob was set at 4 or 5, being able to hook it up to your PC via USB to record stuff, being able to use it with headphones, bedroom levels without having to push the master volume to get a usable sound like on a real amp or connect it to an amp or cabinet. Why would anybody want that?

>>70391609
>Literally no difference
>modeler
Now you're contradicting yourself. If there was really no difference then there wouldn't be any reason to make a distinction between a modeler and a real amp

>>70391671
You're not answering the question

>>70391685
What are you talking about? Do you think people buy a device with hundreds of amps on it if they just plan on using one?

I need to improve my simulated bass, guitar through pitchfork down an octave, will flat wounds help?

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>>70391671
stop responding

>>70391724
i just started playing with pitchfork last night and was planning on doing my bass with it. are you me from the future?

>>70391723
What has that got to do with you contradicting yourself?

>>70391706
I asked you a counter question. If there's only one amp on the planet you want and you never want any other amp for the rest of your life, then sure, buy a real amp. Doesn't sound like you have much fun playing guitar if you don't want to experiment with different gear though.

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>tfw I only own tube amps but I flipped a coin to pick a side in this flame war.

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>>70391735

>>70391757
Maybe, I've got some fucking dank bass riffs on loop.

>>70391766
There is no contradiction you dipshit. The distinction between a modeling amp and a real amp is that the modeling amp has more than one amp on it.

>>70391767
>I asked you a counter question.
Yes, you're avoiding answering the question.
>Why would I waste my time when I could just get a real amp to begin with? Modeling amps are unnecessary

>>70391819
>If there's only one amp on the planet you want and you never want any other amp for the rest of your life, then sure, buy a real amp.

A+ reading comprehension

>>70391803
>The distinction between a modeling amp and a real amp is that the modeling amp is trying to fake a bunch of real amps
>t. a necessary distinction because the two are objectively unequal
ftfy

>>70391850
Couldn't help noticing that you're still avoiding answering a really basic question there. What's the issue?

>>70391383
>jack of all trades
>master of none
>ALWAYS BETTER THAN A MASTER OF ONE
Everyone always forgets that part.

But can modelling amps smell like old valve amps?

>>70391913
I did answer your question, I agreed with the point you made. Do you have problems with reading comprehension?

>>70391941
MODELERES BTFO IN ONE POST

>>70391920
>always better than master of one
master of one > master of none

>>70391887
Yup, real amps are objectively inferior since the modeling amp version has more options while still sounding and feeling the same. What's your point?

>>70391941
Kempers have a smell knob.

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REEEEEEEEE GOD DAMN IT PETE

>>70391995
>the modeling amp version has more options while still sounding and feeling the same
>modeling amps trying to fake real amps
once again: contradicting yourself

Who /baskinginthewarmthandgloryofthewoodydustysmeellofvalvesamps/ here

>>70392015
what is a pete and why does it trigger u?

>>70391964
lol, you don't actually think I'm reading what you're posting, do you?

>>70391989
You're retarded if you can't understand this.
You can be the best grilled cheese maker, and not be a good chef. You can be the best light bulb changer and not be a good electrician. You can be the best guitar tuner and not be able to play a song.

The guy that is the second, or fuck, even the 10th best at everything is more valuable than the guy that is the best at one single thing.

That's why the saying goes, "jack of all trades, master of none, but always better than a master of one"

Get it? Of course not. You're a retard.

>>70392083
I don't think you know what a contradiction is

>>70392098
He is an old tripfag that got btfo and now tries to ruin /gg/ threads with flame wars and bait

>>70392115
master of one > master of none
srry

>>70392117
>modeling amps trying to fake real amps
>modeling amps better
still contradicting yourself

hey guys im shit everything kek hire me pls not that dumb single-use phd

>>70392144
See, you're retarded.

Doing a single thing great < doing everything good.

>>70392178
You're the only one talking about "faking real amps", friendo. Why are you quoting yourself?

I'd rather be guitar master, than ok at all instruments desu.

>>70392200
doing a single thing great > trying to do everything ok
ftfy

>>70392197
Hey guys I'm pretty good at fixing every part of a car, hire me not that expert oil change guy.

>>70392197
I have a PhD in Maths, hire me as your new chef instead of that guy who's been cooking at home every day since he was a kid

>>70392231
Then you'd rather utilize a modeling amp than just only play toob toan crap

>>70392230
>modeling amps just try to fake real amps
>modeling amps better than real amps
stop contradicting yourself then

kek i kno im general practitioner kek but why a brain surgeon to remove your brain tumor kek i have used a band aid in the past kek

>>70392295
I'd rather have one map a huge pedalboard that three midgets operate for me,

>>70390400
Learning bass right now, watch finbar freinds's lessons and stuff

>>70392251
It's a hundred year old saying, you butchered yourself. But whatever. You tube amp to death, don't even try anything else. Like reading comprehension.

>>70392297
You're still quoting yourself, friend. I'll take it slow, modeling amps are better than real amps because theu sound and feel the same as real amps while having more features and being more convenient. Do you understand?

>>70392329
But you only get to master the amp. You suck at pedals. Master of one, see.

>>70392344
>"Jack of all trades, master of none" is a figure of speech used in reference to a person that is competent with many skills, but no particular one. An alternate phrasing says "Jack of all trades, master of none is oftentimes better than master of one."
>An alternate phrasing says "Jack of all trades, master of none is oftentimes better than master of one."
No one says the last bit, no one.

>>70392376
but I'd be guitar master, my fingers would work well enough to turn all knobs to ten, maybe I could be midget master and have the midgets do all the work.

Modelling amps are okay if you don´t have a well defined tone for you musical project/group etc. If you have you tone defined as fuck you don´t need more than at most 2 amps (most of the time only one) and it is going to sound beetter than the simulation. Sorry but as amazing as those plug ins are they still don´t beat the real thing. Are you a bland mothafucka who doesnt know how it wants to sound???? stick to your goddamn simulators.

>>70392115
Not if you are trying to make the best damn grilled cheese.

>>70392377
>No one says the last bit, no one.
That's why i said "everyone always forgets the last part". If everyone in your family forgets to wipe their ass, it doesn't make it right.

>>70392413
Cant be guitar master and midget master if you're only a master of one. Better to be a jack of midgets AND guitar

>>70392365
>the same as real amps
>real amps
you just admitted modelers are fake amps. you you just lost the argument because even you had to make a distinction between the two

>>70392377
>dat arabic version
>("The one who knows two trades is a liar.")
haha

>>70392448
>An alternate phrasing says
>alternate
not the correct phrasing, just because some butthurt jack of all trades added that last part doesn't make it right.

>>70392474
Quote me where I said otherwise

>>70392469
I'd have the midgets play guitar.

>>70392509
sorry. you lose

>>70392440
Yeah well, you can't claim you're the best cook then. Tube amps are master tube toans, modeling amps are like jack of all. That's my original point. You want tube sound, need tube amp to make best sound. Want all around, get the modeling amp. But dont go saying the tube sound is the best from it.

>>70392486
It was also quote differently before: >>70391920

>>70392486
>not the correct phrasing, just because some butthurt jack of all trades added that last part doesn't make it right.
You can't even comprehend what you yourself pasted. You're a fucking retard and you'll always be a fucking retard. I'm actually impressed you're able to use the copy/paste functions of a computer. Go fuck your moronic self, you're beyond all hope of learning anything at all.

>>70392596

>>70392596

>>70392596

>>70392521
It's settled then.
Master of midgets > master of anything else including guitar

I think this thread proves pete was roman all along

>>70392599
wrong