Technical but terrible

>>70363930
Necrophagist
Obscura

Brain Drill was the first that came to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV4n8fJGip0

and I'd rather get punched in the stomach than listen to Animals as Leaders or any of that nonsense.

Rings of Saturn

Steven Wilson, but not really because of his actual songwriting. He's just kind of tasteless, like his musuc sounds like it came out 40 years ago. He just doesn't try to push any boundaries with the genre.

Mastodon

>>70364308
At least Rings of Saturn is unique, even if their music sounds like vomit.

Liquid Tension Experiment
Animals as Leaders

>>70363949
These and Opeth

>>70364359
Crack the Skye is a masterpiece though.

>>70364359
>Mastodon
>technical
Wut

>>70364349
Are you stupid? Steven Wilson is one of the least technical modern prog artists even though he had Guthrie Govan, Marco Minnemann and Gavin Harrison play for him

>He's just kind of tasteless, like his musuc sounds like it came out 40 years ago. He just doesn't try to push any boundaries with the genre.
Oh so you're just parroting Fantano's reviews ok.

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>>70364374
>Animals as Leaders

Animals as leaders is god tier though. Saw them live last year, it was great.
https://youtu.be/kl3lZFSqxCs

Animals as Leaders is elevator metal

>>70364445
Most accurate I've ever heard them described

>>70364415
I don't watch Fantano...That's just how the music sounds dude.

everything associated with Devin Townsend

I could listen to Dream Theater all day before touching any of his stuff

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>>70364534
>thinking Wank Theater is better than based Devy

>>70364534
The only good thing he ever did was the skit at the start of zitloid the omniscient

>>70364380
Crack The Skye is boring proge

>>70364459
You're full of shit, lot of his music can be genuinely emotional

>Meshuggah
>boring and awful
Holy shit kill yourself. They came up with a original sound and sticked to it, always trying to improve it, not their fault a gazzillion 3rd rate metalcore kiddies started copying them.

>>70364561
>Crack The Skye is boring proge
Back to /metal/ shitposter

>>70364585
>Mooooommm someone talked bad about my shitty djent music on the philipino puppetshow forum

>>70364557
at least Dream Theater is like a more autistic Rush, Townsend is just shit

>steven wilson
>Technical

Here I thought I was gonna come across people that know jack shit about music.

Yeah guys, Sound of Muzak, Fear of a Blank Planet and 4 Chords that Made a Million are super technical songs.

>>70363930
The first half of the Astonishing was good and then the second half nose dives into complete boring mush with some cheesey lyrics added in.

I liked what they were trying to do but they clearly just rushed the whole second half because the label wanted the record now.

They should have just Metroplis part 1 and ended it at A New Beginning.

I basically can't listen to any metal these days but Megadeth, its all just grating and same-y to me.

>>70364349
Hand Cannot Erase is pretty modern, with a lot of electronici and pop elements. I think yeah his other solo albums are him emulating 70s prog music, which is what he seems to be obsessed with so whatever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE9RMXds-Cg

Also, I would call PT the least technical band in progressive rock. Any amateur could play most of the songs.

>>70364616
>Steven Wilson
>djent
Ok you're just retarded

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is this a good album?

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>>70364380
>Opeth
>Terrible

>>70364349
>>70364670
Yeah this totally sounds like King Crimson dude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXxZkNjKsic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UoKIiw-p2g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A64J8mo8oZE

>>70364758
Objective truth.
>>70364672
>Animals As Leaders
>Not Djent
I think it is you who is the one who is retard

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>talks shit about Roine Stolt and Neal Morse for recycling classic prog
>his solo project is just King Crimson and Pink Floyd tribute

>>70364697
yeah
a great one actually

>>70364795
Fuck sorry I think I quoted the wrong post

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>>70364758
>Opeth
>Not terrible

>>70364852
>Opeth is bad
>Memespithe pic
I told you to go back to /metal/ shitposter

plini, intervals, tesseract, polyphia, etc

>>70364824
He criticizes Morse? post the link I'm curious.

Personally I listen to both frequently but would consider Morse better.

>>70364890
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=88744

He also loves Mars Volta, tool and Radiohead

>>70364697
good, would be great without the retarded robot vocals
same can be said for Traced in air.

>>70364795
AAL isn't djent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK2ORatv1cA

>>70364871
Every song sounds virtually the same. 10 minutes of shitty riffs recycled from the psychedelic movement and thrown into a minor key with shitty edgelord vocals and lyrics.
Also, their fan base is arguably worse than tools
>"He's amazing man, his voice is like an angel but then also a demon and hes so deep"
>"I'm not surprised you don't understand it, it's pretty intricate, not for the everyman"
Get fucked cunt they don't even use complex time signatures, how are they intricate.

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>>70364926
Them moving away from djent for a song doesn't make them not a djent band.

>tfw listening to AAL

The Astonishing will be vindicated in time. The world is not ready.

>>70363930
>He doesn't like Meshuggah

lol wew lawd

>>70365041
>for a song
https://youtu.be/s4Yb_vf-Qfo?list=PLH22-xSMERQolPbs7jGqjLm-5Yl7QhQiT
https://youtu.be/ybVC6pDDZfI?list=PLH22-xSMERQolPbs7jGqjLm-5Yl7QhQiT
Even on the earlier releases you find a lot of songs that don't constitute as djent.

>>70365095
They are a gayass neckbeard band bruh

Steve Vai
Yngwie Malmsteen
The Reign of Kindo
Mahavishnu Orchestra

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>>70363949
>obscura

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>>70365096
From the horse's mouth. They're a Djent band.
Just cause ride the lightning has a power ballad on it, doesn't mean it's not a thrash metal album.

>>70365145
shred != technical

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>>70365095
Would you like to help me get them a Grammy for packaging next year? They missed the deadline this year by one week. Was this part of their master plan?

>>70364601
this simply is the truth though

>>70365174
shredding usually is the definition of technique over musicality

>>70365095
>buy 7/8 string guitars
>only use the bottom 3 strings
nigga just drop tune holy shit

>>70365172
>Djent is supposed to be
>supposed to be

>>70365154
>le bassman thinks he's a lead guitarist meme
>legitimately just copy+pasting metalcore riffs
I don't know why people like this shitty band.

>>70364623
>Dream Theater is like a more autistic Rush
Thank you, I take that as a compliment.

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>>70365145
>Mahavishnu Orchestra
>Terrible

>>70365224
>It's essentially what they're calling what this new wave of bands are doing, what I'm doing
>what I'm doing
Go smoke weed and stare at stars or whatever you djent kids do.

all progressive rock, prog metal, "technical" metal and Chopin

>>70365264
>weed
it's called djent not stoner

>>70363930
>objectively
You have no clue what this means.

>>70365251
Oh, and by the way, I'd like to inform you of some terrible musicians that played with John Mclaughlin - Al Di Meola, Chick Corea, Carlos Santana, Paco De Lucia, Jeff Beck and Miles Davis.

>>70365282
This, to be honest.

>>70365289
>>70365289
So it is Djent, then.
In any case, it's elevator metal, like the other anon said.

>>70365282
First day here buddy, eh? Isn't it funny to shitpost and fit in? The almighty /mu/ wants me to hate progressive rock - so, here I am.

>>70365251
>>70365301
Still irredeemable trash

>look at me go mom, me so fast at the guitar!

>>70365319
prog sucks dick

>>70365320
>Miles Davis
>Chick Corea
>Guitar
...

>>70364886
Polyphia is interesting to me though, something is funny and clever about top 40s inspired shred metal. It works pretty well too because the melodies get stuck in your head.

>>70363949
Obscura the band is pretty bad.
Obscura the album is incredible though.

>>70365332
>>70365307
The almighty /mu/ welcomes you. You've successfully completed the first quest.

>>70365334
I'm talking about Mclaughlin, obviously. Not that I expected basic reading comprehension from a Mahavishnu Orchestra fan

>>70365355
Kanye is the best musician to ever grace this planet, aye?

>>70365350
sorry I insulted your favorite genre, queer :^)

>>70365376
Quest #2:
The almighty /mu/ commands you to make a Kanye thread.

>>70364670
>The first half of the Astonishing was good and then the second half nose dives into complete boring mush with some cheesey lyrics added in.
Wut, I'm seriously suspicious you haven't heard it. The album might as well be labeled disc 1: peace; disc 2: war

And disc 1 is balls to the wall

>>70365350
>>70365373
>>70365397
take it easy, senpai
no need to get this salty over opinions

>>70365397
>>70365350
I'm not him.
But dude. Stop.

>>70365414
>>70365420
Do you honestly think I'm taking any of this seriously?

>>70365435
It doesn't matter if you're taking it seriously or not if I cringe any harder I might actually die.

>>70365435
Yes, everyone thinks you're taking it seriously, because you are.
>le kanye le le

>>70365145
Joe Satriani

>>70365453
If it made this horrible thread die, I'm all for it.

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Anything by this guy

>>70364349
there's a lot of trip hop and electronica in his work

>>70365615
>Mom the big boys are being mean to my pet genre I hate them!

>>70364349
Pushing boundaries isn't necessary for music to be considered good.

>>70365606
Lol, no.

>>70363930
Such an amazing ending to L.P. no. 1 of 4

I hope the video game incorporates it.

>>70365683
It's necessary in prog
That's why the genre is called PROGRESSIVE rock

>>70364349
>Technical
https://youtu.be/bNHB-CoEfdc?t=1m5s
Then please explain why he would've said something like this.
And who do you think is currently pushing the boundaries of genres?

Is parlor grind a thing? If not The Astonishing comes damn close to inventing it. I think they actually miss it on a literal split second technicality.

>>70365656
Where did I claim that progressive rock was my favorite genre of music and that it's the only genre of music I listen to?

>>70365865
I hate his bare foot meme.

>>70365898
You basically announced that fairly clearly with the level of butthurt autism you've been posting.

>>70366055
Great response to Steven Wilson claiming that he's not interested in being a guitar god and extremely technically proficient on the instruments he plays.

>>70364909
Wow, he calls transatlantic pretentious while writing the most pretentious email of all time.

Alls Mars Volta and Tool are trash. Radiohead is barely progressive.

>>70366093
>Butthurt
>Autism
You sure showed me now. Oh, and by the way, I wonder why this >>70365865
didn't get a reasonable response?

>>70364648
Sound of muzak IS technical though, thanks to the drums.

>>70366099
lol,i'm not hte poster you are debating. Just watching and seen him in concert and cringed at that meme he's been doing for years.

He's like some college student doing drugs and like 'yeah man i feel free-er without shoes'

>>70366168
Should every musician try to be as inept as possible and how will that make music better?

>>70366177
>To be honest, even as a little kid I’ve always had a problem wearing shoes and I’ve always gone around with bare feet. There was no great plan; there was no great statement I was trying to make.

>>70363930
Getting close to the end of disc 1 so feel free to talk shit

Specifically

Obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wniXxeTJlyM

>>70364600
This

Opeth are technically brilliant but boring as fuck

>>70363930
pre-ObZen Meshuggah is great though you fucking pleb

>>70365141
>hating a band because of their fanbase

>>70366270
this is actually good?
not cringe at all

>>70363930
I really don't think the astonishing is even that technical

Unless you're a pleb

>>70363930
Porcupine Tree

ITT: Jazz and classical are technical but terrible unless strictly advertised as jazz/classical. Also attempts at technical music apparently sucks after the 70s as well.

>>70366353
I'll be honest, I like their EPs and their first album, but their newer stuff is just unlistenable shit.

>>70366455
leave the thread and go listen to your wankcore then, loser

>>70364824
to be fair to him, those were only two albums and he didn't build a career on doing glorified yes covers like roine stolt. insurgentes is still one of the most unique prog albums I've heard, and grace for drowning is good jazz fusion

however wilson was definitely a bit of a cunt, and way too far up his own ass at one point. he's mellowed out now and even contributed vocals to dream theater (another band he called out) as an apology

>>70366128
the mars volta are great. tool and radiohead, along with nine inch nails are probably the biggest modern influences on porcupine tree. if he should be called out for recycling anyone's sound, it's theirs. seriously, you can hear a huge shift in his production sound at the turn of the century, likely when he first heard trent reznor

>>70364670
About to finish disc 1 and now I'm ready for war.

Feel free to chime in.

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>>70366270
>ibanez players

smdh senpai

>>70366270
I knew what the video would be before clicking the link Lmao

>>70366586
When I first heard PT I thought it was a radiohead copycat band lol.

I'll give him a pass on being a dick 10 year ago but I will say that I would rather hang out with Neal Morse in person.

Steven will never be mainstream no matter how much he wants to be.

>>70366550
Go listen to your 4 chord indie rock faggot

>>70366692
He doesn't want to be mainstream

>>70366616

MY FRAGILE VOICE HAS HAS ALL BUT DISSAPEARED IVE NOTHING LEFT TO GIVE
THE WORDS I WISH ID SAID
JUST WHISPERS ON THE WIND
AND NOW ALL HOPE IS DEAD
CHOPIN

>>70366716
he clearly wants the masses to recognize him as a genius.

I like the guy's music too, so don't think I'm hating on him.

>>70366722
What song is that?

PSA I'm over an hour into mixing sleeping pills and booze

>>70366692
the guy's basically built an empire. he owns the modern prog scene, so I don't think he really cares about being mainstream. his recent albums have charted very well anyway

neal morse seems like a really nice and genuine guy for sure. sola scriptura is a great album, too. but generally speaking his sound is very much 70s prog revival, and although sw isn't exactly an original artist, I appreciate the wider variety of influences (not just the modern bands I mentioned, but shoegaze, post-punk and krautrock as well)

>>70364585
Yeah, i get emotions such as *sleepy* and *bored* when listenintg to them

Anything Djent, even though playing one tone isn't technical.

>>70364534
>I could listen to Dream Theater all day
There is your problem.

>>70364871
They are OK as long as you don't count how many times they repeat every riff. It's a shitty way to create long tracks. Also the songs don't go anywhere.

>>70365854
That's why Wilson is new artrock or whatever it is called and not progressive.

Answers to OP's question are easy. Now, what are some bands/albums that are technical but objectively good?

I am surprised to see a large amount of people defending Steven Wilson, really goes to show how awful this board has become.

The Astonishing AOTY is the easiest decision I've ever made.

>>70366858
Ulcerate
Gorguts
Late Death

>>70366882
What the fuck is wrong with Steven Wilson? You are mad that people defend his music but have no problem with endless Death Grips, Kanye, Grimes and other meme rap and Waifubait artists? Kill yourself

>>70366882
Steven Wilson is popular to hate here. What are you even on about? Oh, and by the way, I wonder why none of these got any reasonable respones?
>>70366210
>>70366143
>>70365865

ayreon

>>70366882
It's funny because he and Akerfeldt were worshipped here long time ago

>>70366939
Ayreon is just cheesy

>>70366858
king crimson. I mean that 80s lineup, you could make the case that fripp, bruford and levin were each the best in their craft, at least as far as rock music is concerned. and adrian belew just for generating guitar tones is unmatched

even their current touring lineup is just ridiculous in terms of pure technical ability, and it's kinda incredible that they actually sound like a real band and not just a collection of musicians. same with swans, actually

>>70366921
I don't care about any of the above artists you listed but Steven Wilson does not produce anything close to interesting music. His whole career consists of him trying to poorly emulate elements of King Crimson, Gentle Giant and various other respect prog artists.

I understand that you have a natural desire to defend your tastes/interests but one day you'll grow out of his mediocre music and realize you spent time defending crap music.

>>70366948
Well, there weren't so many 12 year olds on every single board as there are now.

>>70365000
nice trips but damn you sound underage

>>70366964
I liked Theory of Everything alot.

>>70366995
I like Steven Wilson alot, what is the next step in music taste evolution?

>>70366995
Can you sound any more condescending?

You clearly didn't listen to more than 4 of his albums
He is a very diverse artist

>>70367019
Not progressive rock, apparently. It's unfortunate but the genre has pretty much entirely stagnated due to the copious amount of artists who are content to simply dip into nostalgia pertaining to 70's prog.

>>70366858
The Mothers Of Invention, U.K., Captain Beefheart & The Magic Band, Genesis, Soft Machine.

>>70366995
Oh it's another faggot parroting Fantano, nice

>>70367037
I have listened to several of his albums and you wouldn't feel they were diverse if you'd listened to most of the revered prog artists that existed in the 70's -- seriously, his schtick is quite literally to imitate those sorts of albums with a pretentious pseudo-intellectual veneer for good measure.

>>70366804
DESU, I never got in to anything from the 70s prog scene so I can't assess Neal or even Steven from that perspective.

I got in to Steven because I like the Cure and he is like 1/4 a clone of the cure. Or was anyway. Neal I stumbled on through Flying Colors the pop/rock band.

DT I started listening to after they toured with Megadeth.

I didn't realize progressive music was even a thing that existed while I was listening to these bands.

I would have just called all of them good pop music, or in DTs case good metal.

>>70364670
Disc 2 confirmed for war

So consequently you're lying?

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>>70367047
Yeah totally

>>70367080
What a lame way of ignoring legitimate criticism - trust me, these opinions were homegrown... if they happen to align with that of Fantano that's probably because it's an obvious conclusion to reach when listening to his music.

>>70367107
Moment of betrayal and the swordfight are the only things on the second half that are 'war'.

The other songs are sad or radio rock.

>>70366995
>>70367092
Is there a band/musician that's pushing the boundaries of their respected genre? And it's not the first time that this question has been asked. It was conveniently ignored.
>>70365865

>>70367131
Doesn't this list sort of prove my point? The amount of worthwhile prog is so sparse that you've had to dip into different genres to make the list seem more substantial (Math Rock/Post-Rock/Post-Metal).

>>70365854
but this is totally wrong and doesn't even refute what he said, you're just getting hung up on the term like every other idiot
any genre starts out as loose and innovative but establishes conventions later on, prog too, it's just a damn name. you could argue it relates to songs progressing rather than just repeating the same melody or beat for all its duration and it would apply to a lot of modern, conventional artists too

>>70366995
>i'm not capable of discussing this, i'll just wait a few years until you eventually agree with me

>>70367170
If the only response you can muster up is that Steven Wilson is terrible and you hate him because it's popular to do so, don't even bother replying.

>>70367186
Yeah I totally believe you listened to all albums there

When another Pitchfork hyped band rips off the Beatles or Joy Division it's fine but prog musicians are not allowed to have any inspiration

>>70367139
>The swordfight
The path that divides just so everyone's clear

>>70367188
You seem to have completely ignored the part where I continued to engage you in the discussion (the first section of the post) which is another shitty attempt to dismiss my opinion because you can't seem to fathom that somebody doesn't like Steven Wilson.

>>70367221
I've listened to more than you might imagine as I have a friend who is heavily into prog and constantly recommends stuff such as this to me. I don't think prog is a very interesting or appealing genre in its current state and Steven Wilson is probably the worst way of trying to persuade me that prog hasn't gone completely limp.

This is seriously one of the most ignorant and poorly made reviews I have ever seen

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mP7tl9-luZE

>>70367139
The Walking Shadows is tritones out the ass

and I've mixed sleeping pills and booze so please don't change song titles on me.

It's funny how Steven Wilson is still one of the most polarizing artists on /mu/

>>70367246
>>70367177
I've only listened to the album with headphones so I never see the song titles. DESU I don't even know where one song ends and another begins.

I know the album very well though, listened to it alot until recently.

>>70367334
Not to mention this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvlnYSvvqpU
He simply couldn't fathom the concept of poly-rhythms. That's interesting coming from a bass player.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsKjzWd06lY

>>70367363
I have to question how people are so adamant about defending someone who wrote these lyrics:

"Xbox is a god to me,
A finger on the switch,
My mother is a bitch.
My father gave up ever trying to talk to me"

It's near impossible to convince somebody that thinks those are acceptable lyrics that they have shit taste.

>>70367385
So where are you getting this information that they were "rushed by the label"?

>>70367407
Lmao it's always the lines from FOABP that anti Wilson fags use as argument

First you clearly don't understand the theme and narrative of the album and second his other albums have better but not great lyrics

And since when do lyrics matter so much in prog? Go listen to Bob Dylan

>>70365230
I'm talking about the album btw

>>70367131
Even though it's a long one, the proportion of albums that I actually like is the highest I've seen in in one of these compilations. Helped me understand my taste a bit better; cheers brah, guess I'll give some of the others a go then

As for >>70363930 - even though I enjoy The Madness of Many I can't get into any of AAL's older stuff. Seen them live & even though Tosin's impressive to watch the sound doesn't do anything for me. Same goes for Messugah

>>70364886
fuck this guy though

>>70367363
It's also funny how not a single person bashing Steven Wilson responded to:
>>70367170
>>70367190
>>70365865

>>70367505
Are you really arguing that I didn't understand the thematic implications of the album... really? There is literally not subtlety to what he is trying to achieve and even in context it's totally embarrassing.

I guess you are correct about prog lyrics mainly being pretty mediocre so I guess he's a better imitator than I give him credit for but you'd think he'd use his platform to improve upon the weaker areas of prog.

Also, why is Bob Dylan being used as a derogatory term? He's certainly a stronger artists than Steven Wilson and this is coming from someone who is far more familiar with SW's output.

>>70367583
Yes, the album's concept is fairly simple but it still goes over some people's heads that Wilson is talking from Childs perspective

His lyrics on albums like Stupid Dream are way better

Prog has always been about instruments first and lyrics and vocals second

Also I never said I dislike Bob Dylan, just that you should listen to singer songwriter music if you want really good lyrics

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>this is a nearly 50 year old man

>>70367935
I find it difficult to believe that the concept would go over anybodies head considering the complete lack of subtlety. Also, even when you take that into consideration the lyrics still read as a middle-aged man trying to mimic what he thinks a 15 year old boy might sound like... it's fucking embarrassing to listen to.

>>70368014
That pics pretty old i think

>>70367407
I don't mind those lyrics in the context of the album but the next album has some real cringeworthy lyrics:

"I'm tired of Facebook
Tired of my failing health
I'm tired of everyone
And that includes myself"

>>70368052
I think it was taken last year or late 2015, that's when Transience came out

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>>70368052
Here's a pic of him from last month

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>>70368014
How the hell does he look better in his 40s than in his 20s

It's like he stopped aging

>>70365067
There are people that love it though. They're pioneers.

>>70368139
Yikes, that's quite bad: how can he think that's acceptable?

>>70365145
>Mahavishnu Orchestra
>implying this isn't God tier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQG7XpCiSVA

>>70367407
I actually like that album's lyrics.

>>70368429
Each to their own, I'm happy to read that you can derive enjoyment (even if I don't connect with it).

>>70368305
Good taste anon.

I'm impressed no one mentioned Dragon Force. Technical with an incredible bad taste is Aesthetics

>>70366270
based colin

>>70367460
Dream theater is on a 2 year release contractually with Roadrunner but astonishing came out 3 years after DT2013.

Which the album has an orchestra and choir and all that to go out and record so its not surprising it was delayed into 2016. They had to write the score and choir parts on top of finish the album itself. Thats why I think the last half was rushed. The first half has noticably more depth up until moment of betrayal when after the songs start to have less distinctive moments.

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>>70365230
>le bass can't have any presence meme

>>70364601
Leddit chokes on Mastodon's cock though, anon.

>>70366369
It isn't. It's essentially a pop album.

>>70367510
the born of mediocre dissoshit, blending nu metal riffs with pseudo-experimentation
overrated garbage, i used to like it when i was 13 along with Limp Bizkit and Slipknot

>>70366369
Not in a hard to play on guitar way its not compared to other stuf they have done.

It is extremely complex with all the instruments and parts on the record though.

>>70364445
They could have stopped with CAFO

>>70365282
>if I make a broad enough criticism and add a totally le random specific artist /mu/ will think I'm both funny and edgy