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>>70285698
>I'm 20yo. Can I still learn to play an
>It's well established that this is too late.

o-oh

Stop shitty anime OPs 2k17

>>70285698
OP is a faggot

I started the CIA meme

pets sold; never patted

>>70285794
you're right
OP should post BETTER anime pics where all the composers are busty babes
except for chopin who is flat (don't mention it to her - she's v insecure)

poly is sexy, but he should fuck off

Are video recordings of operas, ballets, works containing narratives like passions or masses, etc. commonly done? Are the better recordings usually just audio?

Also: anyone know a good video recording of Tristan and Isolde? Preferably something with English subtitles.

>>70286724
or how about just posting a picture of a composer, and not some animated shit. Cutesy cartoon composers is just faggoty

>>70285759
bullshit, I learned the church organ at 28 yo, and can play decently. Just changing registrations mid-piece is still a bit hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUP2IWBMvHA

>>70288063
>decently

Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w433wbM14Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jem-LgKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MU1T6uDXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s22fNJdICQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNpxyjYPVUg

>>70285698
Damn, poly, how many cell phones do you have...

>>70286994
There's a 2007 Glyndebourne one which is pretty good. It's got Stemme as Isolde and she's one of the best for the role that's currently alive. Behovalek's conducting isn't bad either. Problem is that all the GOAT Wagner recordings were made before visual recordings of them really became a thing.

There is one from 73 with Nilsson as Isolde opposite Vickers, conducted by Bohm which I'd imagine is pretty good but I've not watched it so I couldn't confirm.

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There are pianists here.

What are you currently practicing ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-eiBrUXePY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL1aGaGLOnM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4KGTrk9ah4&t=291s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hp72ZaZMoA&list=PLD9EEA6827C3A4DB0&index=259
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE7L7gP-ZAY

>>70288671
>There is one from 73 with Nilsson as Isolde opposite Vickers, conducted by Bohm which I'd imagine is pretty good but I've not watched it so I couldn't confirm.
it's in awful sound and video unfortunately

>>70288714
have to split my attention between instruments.

Organ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie52xH8V2L4

Piano:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2E058Ep99Y

Interesting concert led by the newly named Elbphilharmonie Orchester (previously the NDR Sinfonieorchester) and Thomas Hengelbrock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqJEuZuoqFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmMIhXCREsw

>>70289018
The organ in that place looks like great fun. But really nice looking building overall, I've been following the development. Germany seems to do classical music very well

>>70289018
That's one expensive building

>>70289115
yeah it looks pretty cool though

bet Scriabin would've loved it because it's a total lightshow

Cool poll reveals that /classical/ actually likes poly, and hsi haters are just a couple really persistent assholes with no life

>>70289279
I have entirely different tastes from the guy, but I wouldn't want him to fuck off or anything. It'd be awfully boring if everyone here had the same tastes

>>70289279
/classical/ enjoys telling poly to fuck off
it can't do that if she leaves

>>70289313
Poly is a boy. We even know his IRL name.

>>70289330
>implying

>>70289358
Is Poly a tranny now

>>70288714
A piece by Josef Hofmann titled 'Kaleidoscope' and the rest of the Weissenberg-Trenet chansons, already performed and recorded En Avril a Paris but I want to have the other five done soon so I can rent a studio over the summer and record the entire set.

Might as well shill myself a little:
https://soundcloud.com/sjaustakauvytsj/en-avril-a-paris-arr-weissenberg-trenet-9-23-16

>>70289279
He has certain composers he hypes that became a bit of a joke by association, no real harm. I do like how he anonymously argues with plebs outside the general despite claiming he only prefers classical. Somebody's gotta rattle the circle jerks or else nobody will try different genres. I'm too apathetic and dumb to do my part.

>>70289279
I simply have too many cell phones.

>>70289301
Aw. <3

>>70289313
Only a few memers.

>>70289384
...

>>70289621
The only exception is folk.

>>70289621
I'm actually considering boycotting popular music along with him, but I really don't want to give up my morning ritual of dancing naked to (Not Just) Knee Deep by Funkadelic (full 15 min ver. ofc) to get into the groove of the day. Is it OK if I only listen to popular music made by black people? That might be a bit racist, but whites should be held to a higher standard anyway. Plus, I still get to listen to jazz without having to worry whether it's popular music or real music (except white jazz, but that's not real jazz).

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>>70289717

Anyone know where I can find a full English translation of the libretto to Intolleranza 1960?

>>70285759
It's just to get people to fuck off with asking the same variants of that question.

>>70289384
Poly is a Xe/ Xyrkin.

Name one reason why I shouldn't invent a time machine and erase Mozart from ever having existed. Fuck that smug prissy faggot.

>>70289938
Then there would be no one to BTFO Salieri.

>>70289938
Because he'd reincarnate as Grimes anyway.

>>70289962
I agree. Mozart is for babies.

beethoven is way more influential than mozart and his music is better

what happened to the beethoven hater

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>>70290088
The meme died out.

>>70290088
he succumbed to the same fate all beethoven haters inevitably receive

>>70290101
pity?

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>>70290161
violent premature death.

>>70285759
Unless you're planning on learning violin you can become a virtuoso at any age. It's not really about talent, it's more about wether you can afford daily lessons while not working.
If you can do it full time you can become a great instrumentalist, even on instruments as hard as piano.

>>70290266
>you can become a virtuoso at any age. It's not really about talent

Please stop lying to people.

>>70290088
You mean the Bach/ B*g hater?

>>70290282

Go to any conservatory and see it for yourself, or ask to any conservatory teacher, if you're too lazy to do so. Talent matters only when it comes to personal interpretation. Hard work is enough to acquire virtuoso technique, and if you're not a real artist (aka you can't come up with your own interpretations) copying them is easy, and virtually no one will give you shit for that.
Of course you won't become as famous as Arrau, but that's not really the point.

>>70290301
>Hard work is enough to acquire virtuoso technique


kek

>>70290324
It literally is. If you can shut yourself in a room for a decade you can do it. Again, if you don't trust me just go to your local conservatory, find the piano interpretation course and talk with the old people you will find there.

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It's snowing but I don't need to listen to Winterreise for the fiftieth time. Post Finns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSYeTE-JpEA

Who are the most prominent non-minimalist tonal music composers of the past 50 or so years (post-Shostakovich)?

I don't want that talentless spic faggot taking over the Berlin after Rattle is done. Is there anything I can do to change that?

>>70290692
Has he recorded anything? I have no clue whether he's talentless or not.

>>70290704
It's clearly his ethnicity that's the problem, not his musical ability

>>70290686
Grimes

>>70290740
Which of Jedward's albums would you recommend to start?

>>70290692
Spic? He's Russian-Austrian

>>70290298
no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA88AS6Wy_4

Music has done nothing but degenerate since this was first performed

>>70291450
More like ever since the Messe de Notre-Dame

>>70290686
Probably Boulez.

>>70291464

degenerate

>>70291661
What are some of his more tonal works? I was thinking more along the lines of Rautavaara.

>>70292044
Try:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k7EXNZqIUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d90CMyaMFg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6qoqlvtN4E&t=7s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOd0o969C2Y

Boulez isn't really all that inaccessible as some people make him out to be in my opinion.

>>70292044
his orchestrated Notations isn't too far off from the realm of something like Bartok or Stravinsky imo

>>70292111
I'm sure he's great, and I enjoy listening to that kind of music. I'm just curious who some of the recent more heavily tonalist composers are.

>>70290211
Looks alot like hila from h3

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What are some underrated composers?
I'll start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXuOpWH5vmU

>tfw Rameau is the most aesthetically pleasing composer you've ever heard
He really gets beauty.

>>70292593
Everyone but Mozart.

WARNING: THESE ARE OBJECTIVELY THE 10 GREATEST PIECES OF WESTERN ART MUSIC, CONTRARIANS AND MEMERS WILL TELL YOU OTHERWISE, DON'T LISTEN TO THEM
(Limited to 1 per composer, as Bach would fill it up pretty quickly)
Schubert - String Quartet no. 15
Mozart - Piano Concerto no. 20
Bach - Die Kunst Der Fuge
Schnittke - Choir Concerto
Perotin - All his choral works
Brahms - Symphony no. 4
Wagner - Tristan und Isolde
Stravinsky - Rite of Spring
Strauss - Four Last Songs
Monteverdi - Vespers

>>70292942
Do you include Perotin just because he's old?

>>70292942
>Limited to 1 per composer
>Perotin - All his choral works
lol

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>>70292942

>no beethoven

>>70292593
Petzold

>>70293008
Not that guy, but he wrote so little that we know of, might as well include it

>>70290898
Dudamel is a spic you retard

>>70292611
His music makes most of the harpsichord in my opinion

everyone from that era sounds better on a piano

>>70293203
Uh, Kirill Petrenko has been confirmed as the replacement for the Berlin Philharmonic. He was confirmed like over a year ago.

Scarlatti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BKpBE_Brh8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUo7NCPckHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsZQzQ1KHFw

>>70292942
>Schnittke
>Four Last Songs and Monteverdi's vespers instead of their operas
Loving
Every
Laugh

>>70292942
Wagner's Tristan may heave been his most influential, but the Ring was his best

Anyone got some Wolfgang Rihm uploaded or willing to upload?

>>70294323
>not liking schnittke and four last songs
plebe

>>70294381
The Ring or Parsifal

I bet most haven't listened to whole of Tristan beyond the meme, but transcendental god like prelude

Can anyone recommend stuff similar to Stravinsky's Les Noces? I'm through Orff's catalogue, I need more!

>>70290266
>>70290282
>>70285759
you can learn to play the violin well enough though for yourself to enjoy it right? there seems to be a few people on youtube who are doing this

>>70295390
probably with lessons i meant to add*

>>70295390
>>70295437
You'll probably be able to play anime soundtracks after a few years.

>>70295673
you're so sharp anon

>>70295673
can confirm. im not a pianist but i can still play that shit.

What does /classical/ think of Gubaidulina, Sciarrino, Finnissy, Chin, Lachenmann, Saariaho, Haas, Norgard, Ruders, Cerha, Murail, Ferneyhough, Ullmann, Robin, Kurtag?

>>70295908
sorry did you mean violinist?

>>70295974
Why did you remove Mitterer and Pisaro?

>>70296011
They didn't really fit

What are /classical/'s thoughts on the work of Jan Kalivoda, Norbert Burgmuller, Franz Lachner, Johannes Verhulst, Franz Xaver Schnyder von Wartensee, Eduard Franck, Carl Reinecke, Johann Joseph Abert, Woldemar Bargiel, Robert Volkmann, Albert Dietrich, Felix Draeseke, and Friedrich Gernsheim?

What does /classical/ think of Bubonic plague, Pneumonia, Rabies, Rubella, Tuberculosis, Anemia, Cysticercosis, Mumps, Diphtheria, Encephalitis, Pharyngitis, Flu and Leukemia?

>>70295974
What's the common denominator of these?

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Rec me some string quartets friends.
Is /comp/ dead?

>>70295994
not a violinist either, i could still probably play it though

>>70296210
r/music's favorite composers

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>>70292641

>>70292611
R A M E A U

>>70295974
>still no ustvolskaya

>>70296389
she's dead so no

>>70296412
cerha's like 90 bro, he's got a decade, tops.

>>70296470
he's immortal lad
vampire

who's the best franco-flemish composer and why is it me?

>>70296036
>Burgmüller
Why Burgmüller when there's Czerny ?

>>70296644
Silly me. You meant Norbert, not Friedrich.

>>70296036
His piano concerto is nice desu. A shame that he died so young.

>>70296699
That's why I included first names :)

>>70292593
Juan Crisóstomo de Arriaga

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbkILM0x_z4

>>70296550
Is your name Obrecht?

Reminder that Verdi was an atheist.

>>70297171
No its Lassus

>>70297171
>>70297386
I'm pretty sure Josquin des Prez is by consensus considered the best

>>70297386
You better be glad renaissance-anon isn't about to hear you talking like that

Who was the best Romantic composer?

>>70297703
Brahms

>>70297714
HA

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if you don't reply to this picture with the correct tonal answer within two minutes of seeing it you LITERALLY should not be posting here

>>70297772
Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_XNfKk-Qbs

\m/ (o_ˇo ) \m/
name more metal composer

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>find 10/10 female that wants to fug
>ask about her favorite composer
>she says Stravinsky
Why are females so retarded

>>70298155
He's the best composer of the 20th century, Anon.

>>70298155
they love Stravinsky because he shares their addiction to attention.

>>70297772
E?

>>70292942
>Schubert
>not his lieder

>Mozart
>not his mass in C minor

>Schnittke
>not his second symphony

>Perotin - All his choral works
you can't choose "all his works" in a list of greatest pieces... plus legitimate polyphonic composers like palestrina, ockeghem, lassus, tallis, taverner, fayrfax, etc. are far superior

>Brahms
>not his cello sonata, or Symphony No. 3

>Wagner
>not der ring

>Strauss - Four Last Songs
>not elektra or salome

>Monteverdi - Vespers
>not L'Orfeo

>No Schoenberg's 5 pieces for orchestra

>>70296256
Reicha string quartets

>>70296036
Best Burgmüller coming through:
https://soundcloud.com/john-psathas/j-4-j

>>70297772
I will do this later on

>>70297772
C

>>70297772
>>70297810
>>70298675
>>70298679

Inexhaustive list of people who LITERALLY should not be posting here
>>70298724

>>70298724
>>70298761
Why not E?
Is it because of the first bar?

>>70298761
Was it E then?

>>70298830
>>70298843
would would the subject and answer both start on E

>>70298862
What is the correct answer then?

>>70298862
why* would

it's okay I'm retarded and I know it.

>>70298875
there are several correct answers...

>>70298904
Such as?

>>70298924

I don't think you understand the premise of this discussion. The answer isn't a single letter.

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>>70297772
Something like this. Very quickly done, sounds good enough. DO NOT inspect my counterpoint as I haven't checked it.

>>70299030
How do I into Sibelius?

>>70299030
>>70297772
Whoops missed the key signature. Answer is null and void. I have shit to do, but I will do this later on. Fugues are fun.

>>70299030
First of all the subject is in A major, second of all that's a real answer, third of all you said not to look at your counterpoint but wow, dude. Just for starters: A-C-D#? Why?

>>70299179
diminished chords keep my dark side in check

>>70299280
augmented 2nd =/= minor 3rd

>>70298679
You managed to make the terrible list worse.

Fuck off poly.

>>70292942
Wagner should be Lohengrin and Mozart should be Magic Flute.

>>70298761
>tries to BTFO Poly
>fails

>>70299807
>Lohengrin
Lolwut?

im sick and tired of the man pushing down this westernized artistic dictaorship down our throats

>>70299807
Lohengrin is nice and all but it's no where near as interesting as parts of the Ring or Parsifal

>>70300214
true shit nigga

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zIfc08ZkA4

>>70301812
He's a pretty good composer, IMO.

is C /our/ key?

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Who's at a concert this weekend?

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>>70289018
>this music is loud
>my feet hurt
>i want to go home
>i wish i was sucking muslim cock

>>70302127
>wish some kebab would spice this place up
>what is mohammed doing
>tfw my bbc plug is slipping out

>>70301895
>key

Underrated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtpJgxt6p9Q

>>70302456
petzold

>>70302495
babby jesus

*coughs during the performance*

>>70302584
*stand falls over during the performance*
https://youtu.be/wXh5JprKqiU?t=348

>>70302584
*sniff sniff* oh yesssssss....

>>70302996
Petzold

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>>70299179
This should be tonal.

Rec underrated Liszt pieces.

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>one chance at life
>waste it on cuckpin

Just imagine a complete Ravel works, Faure, or Grieg

>>70304150
Very overrated

>>70304150
The early Nocturnes are literally Chopin's worst after his fugue

>>70304012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2_7TIhQsAk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xIFzvMkXwE

>>70304150
Reminder that Chopin is 2deep4plebs

>falling for the 440 hz meme

>>70304817
what's the right one then

>>70304883
432

>>70304012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGhEJ7vhBwA

>>70304883

432
It's really good for the chakras bruh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaF0fZKMiJ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf1S1M7WPHE

>>70305031
>>70305160
This is the worst meme

Didn't Hitler and the Nazi party have something to do with A=440 and that proves it's evil?

>>70305414
you're thinking of 444hz

>>70305414
440 is the jewish tuning that keeps the white man under magical spell

>>70305779
#woke

>>70304406
>>70305063
Thanks for the recs.

>>70297703
Chopin

Anyone who knows about composition that can recommend me some four part harmony books?

>>70306844
Aldwell, Schachter & Cadwallader - Harmony & Voice Leading 4th Edition

>>70306942
Thanks.
>inb4 its another /classical/ meme

>>70297703
Debussy

>tfw Berlioz is the only good composer

>>70289384

yes, its his first inversion :^)

>>70298155
none of this is a represenntation of reality

>>70298679
>now Poly is pretending to like Mozart and Schubert

Cute

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>>70303146
The splice is completely nonsensical and way too late, it makes it seems like your answer is in the subdominant. 3/D -> 5/T?

At least I know now to laugh heartily whenever you proffer your worthless opinions in these threads lol.

Here's what Handel did btw. For your edification the splice should appear on a strong note and as soon as the dominant feeling of the subject ends (which here is when it goes to the F# in m.1.3). 1/T -> 5/D.

>>70304470
>Chopin
>deep

That he is not. Fucking Liszt has more subtlety and that's saying something

>>70304150
>Grieg
Please no.

>>70305414
>nazis
>evil

okay then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs

/sp/ here

This is our favorite

r8

>>70308612
>tartmimi
back to /sp/

Real men play the glockenspiel.

>>70308686
was it worth clicking on all tthe street signs a sushi for that?

>>70308612
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJkjh1IH4Fg
try this pleb

>>70308732
>his gf is not writing the legacy captcha for him while he practices violin for 20 hours a day while she reads out every single thread to you

>>70308686
I played the glockenspiel when I was a kid.

>>70308596
>that's saying something
I agree since Liszt's harmonic revelations were as bountiful as they were revolutionary.

>>70308551
When have I ever claimed to dislike either of those composers?

>>70308563
Eh I was close enough. Considering I actually offered an answer, does that make the opinion of everyone else in these threads less than worthless?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32NjIl6fH8s


Is Purcell /mu/ approved?

>>70308596
Reminder if you pretend to like Bach and Mozart but hate Chopin you don't understand any of them.

>mozart will never peg you to classical dubstep
music for this feel

>>70308493
10/10

>>70308806
jokes on you I don't have a girlfriend and I justify it with precarious antinatalist philosophy :^)

>>70309079
I don't hate Chopin. He's very pretty music. Who could wince at such modal pablum?

Reminder that it is Schubert, not Mozart, who is truly underrated.

>>70298088
dumitrescu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg7QkQINGcY
stravinsky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF1JNYakC14
prokofiev
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88ZMwdB0J3c
shostakovich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcmY0U-q39Q
schnittke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kueXf27ecz8

Recovering from a fever. Music for this feel?

>>70288505
first link looks like a vampire

>>70289279
>http://www.strawpoll.me/12088615/r

>>70285698
so classical is literally for children

>>70288714

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GXHjxvSi24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xpEsTDF5YA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOcZfiU988s
https://youtu.be/NHiHBUiKP70?t=13m

im actually finding chopin's op48 nocturne pretty difficult

>>70310798
and all popular music is for embryos

>>70291450
man, did you discover this in a boxset of BEST CLASSICAL PIECES FOR NORMIES?

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What are some of the best, most god-like renaissance singers i can listen to?

>>70312506
hate to break it to you but all the renaissance singers are dead by now.

You could try some renaissance composers though, palestrina, lassus, morales, tallis, fayrfax. Those guys.

>>70312582
any ALIVE performers, i didnt ask like that. like the singer equivalent of yuja wang, almost alien

Any recommendations for works which are as sublime and beautiful as allegri's miserere? Preferably with vocals, not sure if that's what you'd call it in classical music.

tfw seeing the BSO on sat night

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>>70312623
cant wait

>>70308493
Heh.

>>70292942
where is mozarts requiem?

>>70312982
In the rubbish bin.

>>70312620
renaissance choral/vocal music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwbAMJEC0wc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-25R_SaDao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOq614bql8A

theres plenty in the mega links

>>70312995
with your mom then

>>70297772
what is that image?

What composers (other than Rach and sometimes Brahms) write music that requires big hands (a hand span that covers 11+ white keys) to be played on piano?

petzold

Recently found out about "Aeolian Harp".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7SvQzkZmuM

Can anyone recommend any more serene and beautiful sounding pieces like this? I can't get it off repeat, but I wish to find similar.

Horowitz plays it amazingly, as he does with #5. Though I prefer Sokolov's version of #5.

>>70313940
Have you tried the Clair de Lune from Debussy?

>>70313953
Ah, thanks for the recommendation but I know of Clair de Lune already sadly. Same as possibly "Blumenlied" which maybe(?) has a similar tone.

>>70313992
What about Arabesque no. 1?

>>70313992
liszt - un sospiro & liebestraum

>>70314035
>>70314075
Didn't know of these. I'll check them out now, thanks a lot.


>tfw i want to learn many pieces, near impossible to learn without a teacher, especially chopin.

>>70314145
you definitely know liebestraum, just saying

>>70314208
for sure, though i personally prefer liebesleid more

Why is traditional folk so much better than classical?

>>70314522
I prefer nontraditional folk.

>>70314522
fuck off hampus

where's CLT when you need him

>>70314630

>fuck off irrelevant plebtrip where is other irrelevant plebtrip when ya need him around here! now make me a cuppa coffee!

Petzzold

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Why is there so few good English composers, especially compared to Germany?

>>70315950
Because Germany has a stronger musical tradition. You might as well ask why all the great painters are from Italy.

>>70315950
There are good English composers. You're just a pleb.

>>70316386

I said "so few", not "none ever".

What pop songs stand out for their intricate form, in a somewhat classical manner?

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>>70316198
>all the great painters are from italy

xcuse me?
Vermeer
Rembrandt
Ruisdael
Steen
Bosch
Breugel
Avercamp
Gogh
Hals

>>70312614
yuja wang is terrible tho

What are some godlike lute pieces?
Aside from Bach's.

>>70317641
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyDg0k8VxQQ

>>70317768
Ayy that nice, keep em coming.

>>70317574
Yes, and there are plenty of great Italian, French, and of course Austrian composers, in addition to the Germans. But the Italian tradition of painting is the most famous, even compared to the Dutch and the French, just as the German tradition is in music (though arguably the Austrians are about equal).

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>>70317574
seriously dog?

>>70311748

>>70318999
no

>>70318353
I was just using one country as an example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkZ4ngdiIhM

Why do I like Rameau so much? Literally the most pleasing music I've ever heard.

are there any recordings of Monteverdi's madrigals but instrumental? or at least using instruments?

>>70319518
he has the best sense of orchestral color during that period for sure

also mood whiplash

>>70319518
>harnoncourt

>>70319065
Oh wow. How the fuck can there be no great Dutch composers though?

>>70319694
There's always Andriessen lol

>>70319681
I've picked a random youtube video, I usually listen to the Les Arts Florissants recording.

>>70319694
Sweelinck is good.

>>70319681
harnoncourt is good just not in that repertoire

What is the most RADICAL piece you know of?
Beethoven's Große Fuge is pretty RADICAL, I'd say.

>>70320487
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32Q1uT-cgV4

>>70320558

chopin was way ahead of his time

post music ahead of its time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30oX2A2Ue9Q

>>70321298
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c3esc8O4gk

>>70321298
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvLugVMzLoU

>>70321298
>>70321370
>>70321427
no

>>70321298
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTDkqmzsSKg
a personal favourite

considering that i'm studying with a pretty formal teacher, how much should it take me to be able to read comfortably scores and have decent hand independence, accounting for 3 hours of daily exercise?

>>70321629
Impossible to say. Too many variables.

>>70321629
for piano? couple years, maybe?

>>70321629

>when will i git gud

a few years

>>70322038
But even in a few years it still won't be for a few years

Rec angry music for a solo instrument.

>>70322080

a few years to not suck
a few more years after the few years to git gud
some more years after that to git really gud

>>70321629
8 years if you keep it up

>>70322156

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3ZEKSNMd_M

>>70322208
>tfw this came out in 1922
Man, imagine the shock.

>>70317574
most of these came after the italians, didn't they?

>>70322581
They're all baroque, except for Bosch and Bruegel who are renaissance and Van Gogh who is modernist

>>70322581
well, yes, from 1400-1750 most of the innovations in art and music came from the italians and spread from there to the rest of europe

but netherlandish school of painting took it and ran with it, was very distinct and uniquely dutch at the time, the same way the german organ school took inspiration from italians but became uniquely german by the time of bach

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=czx4M7R0U_8
How hard is this?

>>70321629
If you didn't start before the age of 5, never.
Your brain is wired differently and you might as well hope for reincarnation, you cant just swap profession in this simulation.

>>70322993
>what is neuroplasticity

>>70323024
A myth.

>>70322960

>>70322135

>>70323086

>>70323086

>>70323086

>>70323045

really made me think

>>70323142
I bet it altered your mind in significant ways.

>>70323024
neorplsticity does diminish with age though

What are some pieces that are intense and passionate with a fast tempo?

>>70326011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi5VTBdKbFM