/classical/

>fix your self-esteem issues with the help of a therapist
shill and ideology

Who's the Shmorky of classical?

Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w433wbM14Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jem-LgKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MU1T6uDXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s22fNJdICQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNpxyjYPVUg

>>70201829
petzold

>>70201830
that's a lotta petzold

the answer to the poll is italy but it's not an option for some reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtc6yJGgZkk

>>70201793
>http://www.strawpoll.me/12058939
3. Great Britain.

This is a better poll. Lemme know what you think, /classical/:

http://www.strawpoll.me/12059557

http://www.strawpoll.me/12059557

http://www.strawpoll.me/12059557

>>70202494
let it be known that I voted against bernstein not for karajan

>>70202512
What's so repulsive about him for you?

>>70202573
could you imagine reddit not liking him

>>70202581
that's your reasoning? wow.

>>70202494
Might learn something from Bernie's lecturing.

post your daily mozart piece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FalYfeKn3Q

>>70203292
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDcw9XGAQNo

>>70203402
Now this is how you play Mozart.

What would you change about classical concerts to make them more attractive to newer generations, assuming you have to do that to remain in business?

>>70204412
tiger rallys

>>70204412
nothing, let it die

death is better than simpsons syndrome

Where to start with Shostakovich?

>>70205129
The rubbish bin.

>>70205187
Don't you think going for the complete works would be overwhelming, though?

>>70205129
His meme symphonies. From what I've gathered the Preludes and Fugues are pretty accessible to /mu/plebs, especially the ones in D major and B minor.
Move later on to the lesser known symphonies and the string quartets.

>>70205129
Listen to his string quartets. The symphonies aren't really worth it for the most part.

>>70204412
Add a rap section to each piece

Last poll results: http://www.strawpoll.me/12044271/r

>>70205450
But whose Requiem?

>>70205475
Mozart's

>>70205501
I think Verdi's is a bigger meme.

>>70205520
Just checked YT views. See for yourself.

>>70205553
That's just because Mozart's name is more famous. I think ultimately more people would recall having heard Verdi's Dies Irae before than Mozart's Lacrimosa.

>>70205520
>Verdi
>meme

comfirmed for plebius maximum

>>70205599
Disagree. Too many depressed teenagers jerk off to Lacrimosa.

>>70205599
Plus, the difference isn't subtle.

>>70205603
Verdi has multiple meme pieces (Nabucco, Rigoletto). No one is saying that they're bad.

>>70205618
>>70205635
Was it used in a really popular movie recently?

>>70201793
>I'm 20yo. Can I still learn to play an instrument?
>No
The answer is yes. You can learn an instrument at any age. Learning to play an instrument competently should only take you a year or two. Age isn't important.

>>70204412
Have more contemporary classical played, have interviews with the composers on TV and social media about their upcoming work.

With enough marketing you can sell anything, as proven by shit pop music.

>>70205955
I can assure you that that guy never visited any conservatory in his life. Late starter students (even in seemingly elitist courses such as piano and violin performances) are anything but uncommon. I can guarantee you that in most piano courses you will find at least a 50 years old.
I'll give him that the overwhelming majority started in their first infancy and that most people who try to become really good at playing classical instrument fail miserably. Only the talented make it, and to know wether you're talented or not will take you a few years of training.
It's a gamble, but it's always worth it.

>>70206008
I think it's just trolling because so many people ask the same stupid question.

>>70204412

The Classical culture needs to hop on the internet culture train better. They need to take advantage of youtube and twitch. This would need a good mix of education on the same level as Bernstein's Young People's Concerts to bring new people into an understanding of the music, and great musical content, with a sharp focus on high quality production, piece selections, and top names from the classical world.

>>70204412
You might be able to attract young generations by, and I hate to say this, mixing up the program with anime/film music transcriptions.
Also use social media platforms (also livestreams) for marketing and further more.
Just take a look at Lisitsas Youtube Channel subscription counter.

>>70206008
I'm not talking about playing at professional level, or conservatories. I'm talking about learning to play an instrument. OP simply stated that 20 is too old to learn an instrument, which is false.

>>70205692
Don't think so.

>>70206038
>education
Sure, there is a shockingly low amount of good, accessible and well edited lectures on youtube, and when it comes to music theory and compositions the video are amateurish at best.

>They need to take advantage of youtube and twitch.
Fuck no, classical music has to be listened live. Listening to it from youtube and twitch take out 99% of its charm. A Beethoven symphony listened on spotify can become boring, wich would never happen if you were there and the cellos were screaming at your soul.

>>70206061
I'm talking about playing at professional level in conservatories, and that's possible too even for late starters.
The mixture of attitudes and resources you have to have to excel are extremely rare. You basically have to talent, extremely strong work ethic, no responsability whatsoever, wether it is a financial or a personal one, and the willpower to dedicate most of your life to the instrument.
If you have all of these perks your age simply doesn't matter. If you're an extremely smart person with no obligation and decent dexterity and you can sit in front of your piano for 10 hours everyday for the rest of your life then there is no way you won't become a great virtuoso.

I know this isn't completely related but does anyone think if it would be possible to learn to play this song and songs like it without a teacher

https://youtu.be/2kZASM8OX7s

>>70206184
Yup.

>>70204412
New music, written by people who are still alive, that's of our current time and not so overwhelmed with academic concepts and ideas that people can actually follow most of it with out reading a paper on it.

>>70206166
>I'm talking about playing at professional level in conservatories
fuck off then, thats not what me and OP are talking about.

>>70204412
I think that there should be some sort of movement in order to teach music appreciation to the masses. I'm pretty sure that most people are not really aware of what an orchestra or a grand piano really sounds like. They have heard the timbre on youtube videos, but they can't really picture the concert experience.
Besides, I don't think that classical music will ever become as popular as it was at the beginning of this century. The appreciation for that music was rooted in a very specific kind of bourgeoise mindset, and that mindset is dead.
Middle class and rich people don't care anymore about classical music, literature, philosophy and visual arts. Those values, wich were ones general, are now lost, wich means that classical music will be only listened by the conoisseurs (exception done for those tracks that become famous cause of advertisements, movies, etc.).
tl;dr: it's a lost cause

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>>70206166
>>70206245

>>70206184
Yes but you'll probably develop bad habits if you had violin in mind.

>>70206245
OP refers to the people who always ask if they can become piano virtuosos in their 20s-30s.

>>70206106
I think anon meant they need to take advantage of the social media to encourage people to attend performances. Have interviews, demos, etc.
Many contemporary composers do take advantage of these elements, as well as posting performances on youtube etc.

>>70206287
He should have specified that. As is, he's just spreading falsities. And his cartoon composer pics are cringe-worthy.

>>70206298
>I think anon meant they need to take advantage of the social media to encourage people to attend performances.
It would be a big compromise, imho. Rubinstein never had to resort to shitty interviews made by hip millenials. I think that classical music should remain austere and not cave in to capitalistic pressure, since when you do it you get this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I8lTTCzhwk

>Many contemporary composers do take advantage of these elements
Let's be honest here too: many contemporaty composers can't excert any kind of charme over people who are not-initiated to modern classical music (aka everyone but trained classical musicians).
I don't think that many composers would benefit from this, and I'm pretty sure that most of the reactions will be on the line of ''IS THIS MUSIC? LOL''. Not a constructive experience.

>>70206184
If you've been playing violin for a number of years than maybe. That man has very good intonation and the tune seems you need to be really in tune to play it.

>>70206263
Best way to teach music appreciation is to just teach music, like make band classes non-elective. People are shockingly ignorant and tone deaf and have very low standards for musicianship. That's probably why everybody is fixated on timbres or textures.

>>70206184
>it would be possible to learn to play this song
Sure, that guy has good technique, but it is doable for an amateur. In 2 years you will probably get to a point where you will be able to play it without scratching every 2 seconds.

>without a teacher
no way.

>>70206315
This. OP is an idiot, but at least his advice to get into classical music by listening to Mo's K1 was spot-on.

>>70205427
>>70205366

Did you guys read "The Noise of Time"

Novelization of his life (labored under Stalin etc)

Pretty intredasting. The book kind of has a structure that references his music as well.

>>70206358
>since when you do it you get this:
no. Interviews are interesting and should be taken advantage of. People like to see the method behind the music. Dont worry too much about the image, people usually expect composers to be grizzled old men, so they move on and focus on the music. Most contemporary composers are at least well spoken, and often lecturers or professors so they know how to structure a talk and hold peoples attention.

More like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX9KG5BOc1I

>>70206381
Too bad that learning music is hard. It's not something that you do with a few youtube lectures. It actually entails hundred of hours of guided study+ear training+lots of contemplation on what you've learnt, and that's just to be minimally competent.
I've seen similar pursuits in other academic fields. The most notable one on youtube is philosophy. You can find tons of material, but you will quickly find out that it's all badly summarized, biased trash and that you nothing beats books and individual thinking.
Classical music popularized content may be a decent form of income for struggling musicians, but I'm sure that it will ultimately be harmful.

>>70206451
I'm not imagining a world where everyone is a skilled recitalist. I just want to live in a society where I can say something basic like "this note is C4" and no one reacts with "that was cringey." It's not hard to learn simple stuff like reading sheet music. Maybe then classical wouldn't be lambasted as pretentious constantly.

>>70206585

It's easy to read easy scores, but no amateur can read an hard score and make sense out of it. That requires lots of ear training.
The problem with music theory is that its basics are not really fundamental to classical music. You can learn about the circle of fifths, but you will never be able to use it while listening to Brahms.
I will give you that basic music education will greatly enhance the appreciation for popular music.

What do you think of Anna Netrebko's music video? Should DG have put more effort into this or made more of them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9unXavaZwMU

>>70206874
>tfw modern media is all aesthetic ugly
Damn, I hate the 21th century.

>>70206438
How many first timers will watch a 1 hour Ferneyhough interview? Regardless, academic lectures are already extremely common on youtube.
They're useless, considering that we were talking about initiating younger generations to classical music. To catch them you need effective videos, and you know how that works. You will need to keep it short, you will have to sensationalize everything and in the end no one will really learn anything and people will just parrot the same 3 or 4 facts on 4chan and reddit. It is a dead end, and it won't actually result in true appreciation for art music.
I hate to sound so elitist, but I think that the classical music world should not pander to the uneducated masses. The ones that are drawned by it naturally will eventually end up listening to orchestras. There is no other way around it.

>>70207029
yeah, it turns into the kind of shit someone posted here the other day, this lang lang performance of moonlight sonata in some goddamn arena with fangirls screaming through the entire music

has anyone mentioned the lang lang video yet

>>70207135
Here >>70206358

>>70206358
>not cave in to capitalistic pressure
>this isn't already the case
lmao @ yr 'life'

>>70207206
Why? Artists who sell out are usually shunned by the entire artistic community. No serious musician will ever take her https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euOu89d3npA seriously, even if she's making shitload of money by playing the most famous Bach piece of music while half naked.
That austerity is still present, and the process of selling out is anything but evident. The worst you can say about orchestras is that maybe they play Beethoven a bit too much, but the extent of pandering ends there.
That integrity is somehow still intact.

Why is confutatis the best part of mozart's requiem?

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qt
https://youtu.be/--WH9j11q8Y?t=492

>people shun sellouts who don't fit in with what they themselves are selling so it's not capitalist
purest

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>be me
>17th December 2017
>live in Rome
>go to Vatican City to listen to the Missa Solemnis by Bethoven in the most beautiful location imaginable (just in front of the St. Paul cathedral)
>cry like a bitch for 40 minutes
literally the most intense experience in my life, and I've dabbled with lots of drugs.

>>70207374
Most composers are not selling out, and the fact that there is currently literally no internationally famous composer is the proof of that.

>>70207389
You should try listening to Burial at a McDonald's on a rainy night, bro.

>>70207409
we weren't even talking about composers specifically and also your proof is retarded

>>70207389
>17th December 2017
right on, so the world doesn't go to complete shit?

>>70207389
>17th December 2017

Yeah so whenever you can you should let me use your time machine so I can go back and try fix my life k thx

>>70207443
>the fact that no composer penetrated the real mass media market is not proof of the fact that serious composers are not selling out

>>70207029
Its just an example of interviews done right. In a concise form, with simple language it would easily be enough to convince young people to attend. If you target the right audience, and with enough marketing you can sell anything, including seats in a classical concert.

>>70207604
indeed

I almost never see old music here. Saw this group last night in the National Cathedral in D.C., almost cried. I haven't listened to pre-Baroque in a long time and I always forget just how organically beautiful music was before form started dominating everything. Come to think of it, I almost never see choral music posted here, what gives?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny1NfMjoY4c

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How meme is it for the conductor to involve the audience?
https://youtu.be/G8lr5qb52C4

>>70207606
It's a great interview for people who are already interested to hear what Ferneyhough has to say. I'm not arguing against that.
What I'm arguing against is dumbing down classical music to make it more accessible. It may bring you to sell more tickets, but it will bring worse audiences to your concert, and if you're a contemporary composer you will be pretty sure that none of those newcomers will possibly have the mindset and the knowledge to even begin to understand what you're doing.

At best you can hope to popularize even more classical and romantic music, but there is no way you're going to create any sort of cult of amateurs with Ferneyhough 5 minutes videos.

My opinion on the matter has always been the same: the perfect way to finance art music is through government patronage. There will be some flaws (maybe linked to the fact that most bureaucrats who will interact with new composers will actually be ignorant) but it's the best compromise we've got to preserve the true aesthetic of concerts.

>>70207695
disgusting/10

>>70207695
Everyone likes clapping, not just Americans. The audience all clap along to those Vienna new year's concerts.

>>70207774
You to use the language your target audience will understand. call it dumbing down, call it "making things accessible" I think it would be a good way to bring people into the classical sphere. Just a 2 minute interview with a composer once a week in the news would do wonders to get people involved. You dont have to dumb it down, just let a normie interview a composer and ask them questions about their upcoming works. Composers like I said are often lecturers and know how to simplify without seeming patronizing.

Someone asked for ways to get new people along to classical concerts, concise interviews with composers about upcoming pieces is one way.

Essentially classical would just need exposure, eventually you'll get to the point where even a normie could say "oh yeah Ferneyhough, he's so crazy" and listen to him talking for a bit. Maybe not an hour, but at least for 2 - 5 minutes.

>>70208076
It couldn't hurt to have the general public at least be aware classical music still exists. As it is, they think metal is the new classical.

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>>70204412
>implying classical music and concerts' popularity have somehow decreased
>implying worthless teenagers who only listen to shit-tier EDM and pop are worth worrying about

>>70208076
>You to use the language your target audience will understand.
What I'm saying is that that kind of advertisement is not propedeutic to true appreciation. You will just end up with the classical music equivaent of people who always spout those 3 things they know about pop physics, without obviously being able to say anything worthwhile about it. I'd rather not have that public.
>Just a 2 minute interview with a composer once a week in the news would do wonders to get people involved
There is no famous composer that is making music that directly caters to the masses. The trend is actually the inverse: most modern music is completely uncomprehensible unless you have a really strong, formal education.
Exposing amateurs to artists such as Ferneyrough will just end up in more hatred towards postmodernism and an unilateral request for more canonical, classical music.
You can't really dumb down the crowd without dumbing down the actual contents. Such interviews may be effective for a bit, but they will eventually become material consumed only by the people who are already appreciating this music.
As I've said earlier, these tactics can be used only to popularize even further baroque, classical and romantic composers. We still shouldn't do it because the potential drawback would be dramatic.

>Essentially classical would just need exposure, eventually you'll get to the point where even a normie could say "oh yeah Ferneyhough, he's so crazy" and listen to him talking for a bit. Maybe not an hour, but at least for 2 - 5 minutes.
But then would you listen to his 50 minutes string quartets? When you have such radical composers it is virtually sure that you will end up with secondary contents (interviews and behind the scenes) more popular than the primary ones (the composition themselves).

>>70208481
>You will just end up with the classical music equivaent of people who always spout those 3 things they know about pop physics
They'll still come along to the show though, and its better than nothing. Not everyone in the audience has to be an art music aficionado, the same way not everyone in a film audience needs to know how lenses work of the history of cinema.

This was simply a way of giving classical more exposure (which I dont really think is necessary, concerts are already packed where I live, including plenty of young people). No need to get uppity and feel like we're dumbing down classical for the masses. Simply a suggestion that classical could do with more exposure. Eventually people will become accustomed to classical and 20th century music wont seem so unknown to them. They'll recognize living composers and come along to their concerts.

>There is no famous composer that is making music that directly caters to the masses
Incorrect. Plenty are catering to wide audiences. Jenkins, Part, Enaudi, etc. Not to mention film and game composers who also do concert pieces.

>You can't really dumb down the crowd without dumbing down the actual contents.
Never suggested we should dumb down the crowd, simply that classical could have more exposure.

>these tactics can be used only to popularize even further baroque, classical and romantic composers
Not when you're purely interviewing contemporary composers.

Rec your favorite piece for a solo instrument.

>>70208874
Exclude pianos, as they're common here.

>>70208756
>They'll still come along to the show though, and its better than nothing.
As I've said, I don't know if it's better than nothing.

>Incorrect. Plenty are catering to wide audiences. Jenkins, Part, Enaudi, etc. Not to mention film and game composers who also do concert pieces.
Jenkins is not that respected, Part is accessible only because he's not going full atonal (wich is not catering to the masses), Einaudi is univerally seen as the worst sellout there is.

>Never suggested we should dumb down the crowd, simply that classical could have more exposure.
And you're proposing to gain that exposure from short, accessible videos from youtube. That's dumbing the crowd, in my book.

>Not when you're purely interviewing contemporary composers.
If you still think that most contemporary art music can actually get a grip on the masses you are naive at best. We've had a century of incessant tests on the matter, and at this point I think we can just say that unless you're playing tonal, modal music, or unless you write atonal music with exactly the intention of being as catchy as possible, people who know nothing about music simply won't understand anything about your music. Schoenberg is, to this day, still as alien to the crowd as he was in the '20s.

To get to the music you're trying to promote you need years of formal training. If you really want to give it more exposure you should build networks inside the academia, and try to build a crowd of actual conoisseurs. It is useless for my grandma to listen to Feyrnerough, but every violin player could find something new in his music.

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>>70208874
Bach solo violin sonatas and partitas
Pisendel solo violin sonata
Biber la passacaglia
Telemann solo violin fantasias

>>70208874
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZTISdH5ipY

FRANCE BTFO

>>70208874
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p2yzke_550

I listened to this almost every day for a straight year, was also my alarm for a while. Inspired me to pick up violin on the side

>>70209043
scratch that this is a far better vid https://youtu.be/qtyTaE7LvVs?t=13m50s

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I've been told that there's some avantgarde composer they're inspired why. Do you have any idea who it might be.

>>70209417
All of them. They're very diverse.

>>70207337
This. Those vocal harmonies with the sopranos descending by step are gorgeous.

Post lament bass memes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCSEEvEm3uc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojeqwiH8tKw

>>70210642
neat

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Which pianists have the courage to play non-Steinway approved instruments?

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>>70201793
this song starts out so sad :'(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G75lpFtrsjg

Petzold

Michala Petri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e5bgRqdmxI

http://www.strawpoll.me/12064748

http://www.strawpoll.me/12064748

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>>70201793
>>I'm 20yo. Can I still learn to play an instrument?
>No, but you can probably fix your self-esteem issues with the help of a therapist.

Bullshit! I learned Piano at 30.
Took up violin at 35, getting good.
Will I be orchestra tier? Probably not.
Can I play well? Piano, very much so. Violin, 6/10 so far.

>>70213861
>Can I play well? Piano, very much so.
prove it old fag

>>70213899
nah, nah, nuh, nah, nuh ,nah, nah

there you go

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu3uZ4Yurvc

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>>70213861

Do you guys like Ralph Vaughan Williams?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U6sWqfrnTs

>>70207695
Jordi Savall is the new Andre Rieu.
God help us all.

petzold

>>70215784
He hasn't been the same since his wife died

What are some famous pieces you hate?

I'm gonna start with Bolero.

>>70208934
>Jenkins is not that respected
He is by those that know him, especially those that sing his music, or grew up singing his music. Mostly English and welsh people. With more exposure, he could be the darling of the common person who enjoys choral music.

> you're proposing to gain that exposure from short, accessible videos from youtube. That's dumbing the crowd, in my book.
I suggested a section of TV news devoted to arts. Interviews with composers, performers, anything to do with classical music. Doesn't have to be dumbed down, just has to be there. If you treat people as if they're smart, they will go and google the things they dont understand, or you can give them a link to "learn more" on social media or specific sites. follow us on twitter and facebook for more classical news and events!

As for your last comment, we're in a transitional phase where people are not longer writing dry atonal music. Some of course still are, but even the common person will enjoy much of the contemporary music being written. source: I have witnessed the reactions of some common people to contemporary music many times. They are almost always interested when they hear it live, its just a matter of convincing them to go to the concert, which is exactly what exposure and interviews will do. if they can put a face and a personality to a composers name, they will become familiar. Give them a story they can understand.

The music is there, and people do enjoy it, its just a matter of letting them know the where and when.

>To get to the music you're trying to promote you need years of formal training
Nope. I guess your exposure to contemporary music is somewhat limited and you think its all ferneyhough and schoenberg. There are many composers who write music that is pleasant for the average person to listen to, and imo the amount of people who write that kind of music will increase as we go on.

>>70213861
Exactly. OP doesn't know what he's talking about.

/Classical/ does not need cutesy cartoon composers. Makes it easier to find in the catalog when its a black and white photo amongst the monotony of color images. OPs cartoon images blend right in. Plus they're gay af

>>70218567
I always just use search anyway. I don't see the big deal about silly OP pics.

>>70213484
Retards only voted for Clara Schumann because they haven't heard of Boulanger

>I'm 20yo. Can I still learn to play an instrument?
>No, but you can probably fix your self-esteem issues with the help of a therapist.

>tfw a pianist virtuoso just decided to make me a virtuoso
>tfw I'm 22
>tfw he told me that in a few years of very hard training (8+ hours everyday) I will be able to catch up with 18 years old virtuosos in 3-4 years, depending on how many hours I add on those 8

There's hope guys. You ''just'' have to be filthy rich.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z75bx8tZUa4

Chills everytime.

>>70220320
>Chills
Heh.

For Bach's cantatas should I go with Harnoncourt, Rilling, Gardiner, Koopman, or Suzuki? Or someone else?

>>70220675

Harnoncourt's is very good but his cycle isn't really 'complete.'
Leonhardt conducts about 2/5ths(?) of the cantatas and they're missing some later discoveries iirc

i'd go with Suzuki for a complete set with good quality and consistency.

>>70220866
That's what I was thinking. I'll probably go with Suzuki.

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>>70220675
Rudolf Lutz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBfHemeJTfg

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>Trawling through films set in the Russian Civil war
>get to Commissar
>Opening credits
>Music: A Schnittke

This is going to be good

>>70221083
>Schnittke does film music
Ah, now we can finally say for certain that he's shit.

>>70221614
He does plays and TV too iirc. His requiem was written for a play because religious music was banned. Prokofiev also did film music yaknow, must be something to do with trying to make a living in Soviet Russia

I've been listening to a lot of classical the past few months and seeing multiple performances at the philharmonic near where I live, but I'm really struggling to understand what i'm hearing and telling it apart, like someone would folk music and rock music.

Any tips? I saw jean sibelius's violin concerto last week and the violin was so subtle in its range and sounds from the soloist that i felt i missed out entirely while everyone else was rapturous.

>>70222231
I generally highly advice listening to recordings without distracting yourself.
Your ears are simply not used to the complexity and duration which is not permanent though.
With time and effort you'll be able to enjoy that Sibelius soon enough !

>>>70222798

>>70223056
This. If you've just listened to classical music for a few months you're probably still not used to it (well, given your post is actually evident).
Just like literature and painting appreciation, classical music appreciation takes some time to set in, especially if you're listening to it randomly. Usually people focus on a single composer and listen everything related to it, usually Bach, Beethoven or Chopin, and only then branch out.
You're instead listening to the music that your local philarmonics wants to play, wich mean that you're going back and forth through the centuries, without any historical and theorical context.
You clearly still can't tell wether you genuinely think that Sibelius is good or not.
So here's my advice: listen to classical music on your own (hopefully with good speakers/headset), and focus on only an handful of composers. Beethoven's piano sonatas are always a great starting point (8, 14, 23, 24, 29, 30, 31, 32). Don't try to multitask it. If you're listening to it do only that, and focus as much as possible on the music, and always try to remember the parts that impress you the most (it is easy to memorize an entire piece while starting from the parts that you're actually understanding). Since you're so new to this art you will probably not get them the first time. Pick one of those sonatas and listen to it multiple times across the day (personal advice: start with the 23rd one, you will probably like the 1st and 3rd movement), and do so until you have memorized them.
At some point everything will start ''making sense'', and you won't have to force yourself anymore through this. It's the price to pay for complexity in music.

>>70223119
You might enjoy jazz music, also Leonard Bernstein

>>70223119
Try Porgy and Bess.

>>70207389
>17 December 2017
.......

>>70223367
Jazz like Billie Holiday, Miles Davis, etc? I like big band music also. Ok I'll try Leonard Bernstein

>>70223431
I know Porgy and Bess, thanks anyway

>>70220675
Scherchen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADhdpnn-TAw

I hate my mic.
But have a look on this if you want to.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1IKqPO4WCbp

>>70220675
Koopman.

>>70225076
Any reason to go with him over Suzuki?

>>70207430
>>70207504
>>70207592
>>70223448
>make an innocent typos
>these retards have to costantly remark it

*2016. Are you fucking happy now? For fuck's sake.

How do I into Stravinsky? After Rite of Spring and Firebird where do I go?

>>70225219
Les noces

>>70225211
welcome to 4chan

>>70222231
Both of those anons telling you things are wrong. You need to learn about form, styles of certain areas, and counterpoint in order to properly listen to music up until and including romantic era music. After that, it's the same principles, but it gets vastly more varied.

>>70225219
Petrushka

Then listen to his greek ballets. Then his Symphony in C, Symphony of Psalms, and his Symphony in 3 movement.s

>>70226084
Not true, but it will help immensely.
I mean, I understand what you're saying, listening to Haydyn while knowing nothing about thepry and counterpoint means that you will lose 70% of his appeal, but that anon can still benefit immensely from that uneducated appreciation. It is still better than listening to /mu/core albums.
He just have to learn to cope with the complexity of classical music (considering that he is coming from popular music even the simplest symphony is still too much for him rn).

Petzold

>>70226617
True, true.

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pls recommend your favorite classical electronic recordings. took a course on 20th century music and loved all the musique concrete elektronische musik stuff.

>>70225219
petrushka
pulcinella
les noces
symphony of psalms

>>70228649
Damn, insane to think that all this epic stuff happened in one thread.

>>70228767
Damn, insane to think that all this epic stuff happened in one thread.

>>70228817
Damn, insane to think that all this epic stuff happened in one thread.

>>70228769
>>70228801
>>70228860
Are you Petzold?

>>70228649
>>70228767
>>70228817
You decide /classical/'s future http://www.strawpoll.me/12069893

>>70229488
first vote no >:)

>>70229535
Next-level shitposting. Nice.

What are some great classical pieces to masturbate to?

>>70229814
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-pVz2LTakM
If this is your thing, I mean.

>>70229814
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY6-0DDmXFk

>>70229841

low energy desu

>>70229814
Salome ofc

>>70229892
I only posted it becasue of the part where she pees.

I've been lurking here for a whole 1 (one) hour and I get the impression that you'll all make fun of me for saying Beethoven's 9th Symphony is my favourite bit of classical music.

Can someone tell my why my opinions are wrong?

>>70228769
>>70228801
>>70228860
Damn, insane to think that all this epic stuff was posted by one man.

>>70229928
Your opinions aren't wrong. It's one of the greatest musical compositions ever composed. You probably don't understand why, though.

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>>70229942
that's something I can live with

What's a good piece of music that makes use of pretty much every compositional technique or device developed over the past few centuries?

>>70230005
petzold

>>70229922

hah i didn't watch it that far.

christ.

>>70229982
Well, if you understood why, you would appreciate it a lot more.

>>70230048
that is the problem though, if he understood it, he would figure out that he is wrong

What does /classical/ think of Gubaidulina, Sciarrino, Finnissy, Chin, Lachenmann, Saariaho, Haas, Norgard, Ruders, Cerha, Murail, Ferneyhough, Ullmann, Mitterer, Pisaro, Robin, Kurtag?

>>70230086
I can say I've heard of 12 of these people.

>>70229814
>Regular fapping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad3dNY2ABOk
>Anal fapping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59EDnhuBEpk
I like to pretend to be Anna Maria while I do it.

>>70230086
Actually 13. Forgot I've heard of Unsuk Chin.

>>70230086
I actually plan on listening to things from Gubaidulina, Norgard, Ruders, and Murail somewhat soon. Anything you'd recommend from the composers you listed?

>>70230332
Norgand - Symphony 3
Ruders - Solar Trilogy
Guba - Offertorium
Murail - Just listen to Grisey instead

>>70230405
I'll listen to Grisey at around the same time, but thanks for the advice.

>>70230086
>Kurtag
Underrated desu

>>70228649
>>70228767
>>70228817
Someone post the
>not representative of his work
screenshot

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Is everything before Bach irrelevant?

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>>70230631
Nope.

>>70230631
If you're pleb as fuck ya.
>>70230680
>ballet higher than theater
Stop posting this cancer.

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>>70230086
random noise and zero craftsmanship. Basically entartete Kunst.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYMXbM0RCeU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piBqsmYcj0s

>>70230701
Ballet is only so high because of how prominent Balanchine was at the time

>>70230934
>random noise and zero craftsmanship.
don't make me summon poly

>>70230934
>have literally zero talent for composition
>make up trash sounding pieces using autistic programming and extraneous bs
>"I-I know! Lemme put sophisticated-sounding words into the title of my shitty composition and call my pieces 'experimental' so that I won't be judged like the retard I am!!!"
Contemporary classical music in a nutshell

>>70231076
>wanting poly to post
Fuck off Snozz

>>70231076
this
>>70230934
it's actually flawless craftsmanship and random noise

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>>70230086
>>70230934
>>70231076
Also pic related

>>70230701
it is higher brow

>>70231081
t. clueless philistine

>>70231117
>piece doesn't modulate
watered down shit for the masses

>>70231149
t. homosexual Russian

>>70231165
post one (1) good piece of music by one of the composers listed above

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>>70231165
t. form over substance hipster retard

>>70231117

with much passionfruit xDDDDDDD
is this being reccord? *holds up spork*
penguin of d00m ^^

>>70230934
are the snores in the score?

>>70231264
>"substance" is literally just immediate gratification

>>70230086
Post youtube samples pls

>>70231350
>greentext is just strawman

>>70206245
while the typical person can learn an instrument at any age, the mentally challenged are unlikely to accomplish this feat whether early or late in life. You could try doing harsh noise though.

>>70231334
No. We need new expressive forms of graphic music notation for that.

>>70231251
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0So8FplYnU

>>70231525
I knew you'd pick Gubaidulina. Desu I've heard this piece before and it's horrible.

>>70231635
To be fair, whatever I posted you would still call it shit

>>70231755
What makes it so appealing to you ?

>>70231755
No I wouldn't.

>>70231081
Have you heard the work of Kalevi Aho? He's a contemporary composer you might enjoy.

Petzold
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>>70231967
how's your social life?

>>70232003
DOn't be mean to Petzold-poster.

>>70231838
How the leading leftmotif develops trough the piece, how many melodies quickly pass over with the erratic tempo changes
honestly I'm not familiar enough with it to describe it more in depth

>>70201830
Why do the first few either have their ratings disabled or a lot of dislikes?

>>70232194
Because of butthurt Bachtards who won't admit that Petzold is the superior composer who Bach plagiarized.

>>70231391
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91VUJkOzbgM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psUmxWZUP0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAkclzJHU4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrbVndrVL00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dzGVthTC-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDRT7IsNCc4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnDmycfIweI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y-TxbTc6Wk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZwtfBdgDek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFncet5VHRs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7M0MZ424g0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9fD71DmKoU

>>70232279
i listened to all of these and there all shit

>>70232304
but did you listen to all of them at the same time?

>>70232258
Is that still about the Menuett ?
Also, Buxtehude is far superior to Petzold.

>>70231391
(2deep warning)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQwpgDW8l0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNk4d2HDre4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VolhNUs1rWs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgVsYtWs1n8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbnkQeMfcEM

>>70232399
thanks

Anybody got recommendations of pieces composed for uncommon instruments? Instruments like the one in this piece (Hecklephone):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmt7cPHsDOE

>>70232470
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wihh6KU5ls

Do I need to know music theory in order to appreciate the Minuet in G major?

>>70233069
You probably need a music degree desu.

>>70232611
Thank you anon

>>70232470
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUcyvuGqOXU

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Post rare Lili Boulangers.

>>70233566
who?

>>70233638
Clara Schumann voter detected.

>>70233566
>tfw you'll never chill at the boulangerie with the gang

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What's your favorite Sibelius composition?

>>70230086
I don't really know how to word this better, but most of these composers make music for people that want to be buried in sound instead of actually listen to and study it. While it could be a good tool if used right, some just use computers (I could be wrong about this) to fill in for their lack of creativity but in the end still make stuff i find pretty boring. Out of your list I'd say i like Saariaho the most, I'll admit that there are some in there that i haven't listened to.

>>70233864
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVbQCVbIH6w

who is the best female composer that ever lived?
Clara Schumann?
My vote goes to Bjork

P

>>70233566
That's james spader

>>70233936
honestly this is boring as hell. I'd expect better from Sib.

>>70234230
That's a common misconception. It's actually a colorized version of an old film of hers.

>>70234263
>honestly this is boring as hell
I think that's just Glenn Gould ruining it

>>70234263
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHotBM4FH0U

>>70208874

probably this disregarding a load of organ pieces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIkHB4aa730

>>70234358
nah, Gould sucks but Sibelius is probably just a composer suited for orchestra. I don't imagine Bruckner would write a great sonata either.

>>70234403
>k 82

my nigga

>>70234386
this is much better

>>70234450
somebody posted it in /classical/ some time ago and it really took to me. i like a lot of his other sonatas too

Post mildly uplifting music.

Listen to Wassanaer: http://baroquemusic.org/15Web.html

Top-tier baroque

>>70234942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNOC0lPpMtk

>>70234942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vY91CQ3lV8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vttZzUPg3A

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>>70235101
He's underrated af. Also listen to Albicastro and Dell'Abaco as well.

Post comfy classical.

>>70228649
>>70228767
>>70228817
quality stuff

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>>70236911
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1PzMs74-xg

>>70237239
You always deliver. Thanks.

>>70237303
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GZtNsxn-fc

>>70237539
Subscribed. Is that channel yours?

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>>70237739
Yep.

>>70232376
Lol it's just a meme don't get mad.
Also Buxtehude is

late hour contemplative classical https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8as_BN5h5YQ

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>and this is my son's room, he is quite the classical music buff...

>>70237872
underratted.

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>>70238384
M-mom? I thought you were still at the other side of the country.

>>70238437
Why would someone masturbate to blocks of pixels?

>>70238384
>implying anyone into classical is young enough to live with their parents

>>70238494
I'm only 20 though

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help me name this baroque tune stuck in my head,,
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0KpnkHNA85j

thanks in advance

>>70238494

>he actually thinks the people in this thread are adults

>>70238808
>implying the people in this thread are into classical

>>70238858

>implying they are people

>>70239000
>

>>70238751
Either one of Bach's Brandenburg concertos, his E major violin concerto or one of the fugue themes in Art of Fugue

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>>70237765
Subscribed, keep up the good work.

>>70239206
Thanks anon.

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>>70238494
>be 30 years old
>apparently still young enough to live with my parents

>>70238624
>Not moving out as soon as high school is over

>>70238808
Don't worry, I dont.
I mean look at >>70228649 etc. some of the most childish, cringe-worthy and un-funny posting imaginable. Look at the OP image, and the people spamming memes instead of discussing classical music. This is 4chan and /mu/ none the less, no adults.

>>70239423
good post

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>>70239423
Shitposting, joy of man's desiring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhqK50HpRHM

>>70225211
i'm not happy

>>70239423
The harder you try to appear as an adult, the more you look like a child, anon

>>70239578
is there a doujin?

NESSUN DORMA!

>>70225211
If I was happy why would I ask to borrow your time machine to try and fix my life, yeesh. Try to keep up.

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>>70241350
not yet