Where can we trace to the development of irony in music? Who

>>70201554
mozart tbqh

>>70201554
macintosh plus

>>70201554
B-52's is where it all began

>>70201554

One of those negro jazz and blues players

>>70201554
Zappa certainly made it popular

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>>70201554
:^)

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>tfw no ironic 80's Björk girlfriend

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>>70201554

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>>70201554
you're chart is out of date

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>>70202441
post irony isn't a thing, stop trying to make it a thing

>>70202466
kek and trump say otherwise faggot

>>70202514
motherfucker define post-irony without paraphrasing or copying the Wikipedia definition

what makes you certain that trump is particularly post-ironic

>>70202514
actually if anything Trump is the bannerboy for Irony you cuck

>>70201701
see
>>70201612

As Matt Groening said, the reason he considers it his favorite album of all time was because it was produced by Zappa so he was certain it must be on purpose

>>70202466
Is this post-ironic?

>>70203541
is it?

Sam Hyde is a bad comedian

>>70202441
Your grammar is of a 4th grade level.

>>70203438
post-irony is when the value comes from the craftsmanship involved in imitating ironic memes, more than from the irony itself.

Melvins

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>>70203704
no, the definition is in the title, it is a reaction against Irony characterised by it's opposite, sincerity, or earnestness if you're a bell-end

What you describe is another level of irony

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That's already a normie demotivational. Original demotivations were supposed to be parodies of those motivational posters with a picture of a landscape with a quote about dedication underneath it. They looked real until you read them and realised that the quote was actually depressing. The whole "take a funny picture, put a black border around it and explain the joke again" is the normie gentrified version.

>>70203956
people these days have no respect for the classics

>>70203872
post irony is not the same as new sincerity, and the guy you're replying to is really describing meta irony

Wow wtf is wrong with you millennials

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>>70204047
ok sahn, describe post irony to me, seems to me like a misnomer, what comes after irony?

(meta-irony is not a thing in itself by the way, it falls under the blanket term of irony)

>>70203635
butt he's ironic

>>70203734
this probably
at least in the history of rock music

you guys realize that irony predates the 20th century right

>>70204699
'no'

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>>70204699
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx-N9I1eZyM

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>>70203956
this

>>70203872
wrong you humongous faggot.

>>70201554
Ariel Pink

>>70203473
No, he was determined to listen to it again because Zappa had put his name on it.

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>>70205010
that's not very nice

I may have forgotten the bit about Ironic detachment muddling the distinction between irony and sincerety but that's no reason to call me nasty names

btw everybody in this thread is a pseud, even me

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>>70204731

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Post-irony is old these days. How to I get on this level of sincerity?

>>70206677

You're too late. Reddit's /r/wholesomememes killed the idea of ironic sincerity in memes.

>>70206677
you're thinking to hard
the next step is simply to be postironic ironically

>>70206860
*too

>>70206860
so ironic sincerity, which is simply being ironic.

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>>70206747
These aren't ironic though.

>>70206916
postirony isn't the same as sincerity you fucking retard

>>70205170
>everybody in this thread is a pseud, even me
new sincerity

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>>70204080

It actually started with Beethoven's 8th symphony.

>>70207527
explain

>>70204080

They never knew a life outside memes so millennials are just one larger meme themselves without a real identity
Its ok the generation that follows them won't have the same problem, but it will certainly be an identity crisis for the millennials

>>70207554
Beethoven is already beginning to play with, subvert and even sometimes mock the rhetoric and formal structures and expectations of the 'monumental' symphony that he himself had done so much to create - the deadpan end to the first movement, the endless coda to the finale with its stalking bassoon, the episode in the first movement when Beethoven 'miscalculates' - with the fff strings tending to obscure the main theme in the bass.

>>70202466
post irony is a thing, but that image isn't post ironic.

post irony implies a blend of irony and earnestness, blurring the line between truth and fabrication.

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Honestly, it's all been downhill since we fucked with the gregorian chant.

gustav mahler

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Sincerely though, irony has always been in our music. Look up some Chaucer-era lyrics.
Shit gets weird.

>>70203635
you're*

fucking retard

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>>70207453

>>70205170

>btw everybody in this thread is a pseud, even me

That's the memes talking anon, snap out of it.

Pleb. We have already entered the post-post-ironism phase.

>>70206860
These are just words without meaning at this point.

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>>70212030

>>70202466
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-irony

>>70201554

Talking Heads