Will the classical meme ever die?

good thread
really makes you think

I blame HVK for conducting a million things and conducting them all the same way

>>70182660
>Why do people still look at Picassos or Rembrandts when we have new pictures of celebrities every day?
that doesn't even make sense

really firing my neurons

who cares

post asian feet

>>70182613
PLS JUST FUCKING STOP

/mu/ truly is the most plebeian board

Will the average /mu/tant ever stop being 14 years old?

>>70182871
>>70182892
>classical is real art so i have to "appreciate" it because smart people told me so

Baroque era is objectively the best you ingrate

>>70182692
yeah, people jack off over old art and disregard modern art because "it's not as good! I was born in the wrong generation! Led Zeppelin RULES!"

I knew a g*rman who was hopelessly obsessed with classical music

>>70182906
It's literally called art music. Do you really think a brown person rhyming about stealing and killing over a stolen drumbeat compares? You totally don't listen to that """"""""""music"""""""""" so that you fit in with the groids at your middle school.

>>70182952
cool story sis

>>70182954
What does this have to do with your racist opinion of another artform that you think has less artistic value because you don't like the ethnicity of the artists?

>>70182915
you can jack off onto things both new and old anon

same as with people

>>70182613
best bait i've seen in a while

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>>70183016
it's quite weak

>>70182613
Ha, he thinks there is nothing being composed today.

>>70184346
Max Richter pls go

>>70182954
music is literally art you dum dum

I feel like all the big electronic musicians working today would be able to compose classical music of the same quality if that was their medium.

>>70184404
The majority of music is not art.

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>>70184472
wrong, the majority of art may not be music but the entirety of music is art.

>>70184472
bad art is still art you fucking retard

>>70184468
If you mean Terry Riley-an electronic musicians, maybe; if you mean faggots like Aphex Twin and BoC, hell no—Stockhausen already dismissed Aphex Twin's "music" as being fifty years too late.

>>70184516
but today stockhausen is the one who is fifty years late

really makes your tables think

>>70184529
He is more relevant than ever today

>>70184993
Actually, he is less relevant than ever today

>>70182660
People aren't re-painting Picassos or Rembrants over and over and over again year after year. Reproductions are copies of the original, not completely re-painted by another person.

>>70185149
you have no clue what you are talking about kid

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>>70184404
>>70184506
Educate yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_music

>>70184516
Stockhausen also dismissed all of jazz, black people in general, and like half of his contemporaries

>>70185203
What point are you trying to make? It is necessary to repeatedly perform classical music in order for people to hear it. A painting doesn't need to be painted repeatedly to be seen. It's not like people have stopped composing new classical pieces.

>>70185288
"art" is not synonym of quality you stupid giappominchia

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>There are people that still believe making new music has any point after Stravinsky
It reached its peak, everything afterwards is beating a dead horse.

>>70185477
There's a difference between performing and recording. There are 125 recordings listed on RYM of Die Kunst Der Fugue, for instance. All because everyone and their mother wants to interpret it in their own way. That painting analogy doesn't work here because there aren't 125 or more different re-paintings of any given Picasso work floating around just because painters want to stroke their ego and add their own touches to the artist's work.

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>want to listen to some classical
>finding which version to listen to is unnecessarily convoluted

>>70185331
yes?

>>70185619
s/Stravinsky/Schönberg/

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>>70185659
>everyone and their mother wants to interpret it in their own way.
And that's the part you don't seem to get for some weird reason.
Chopin's nocturnes played by Claudio Arrau aren't the same as played by Rubinstein, they add different touches in their interpretation, they perform it differently. What's the correct way to play Chopin? Sheet music can just guide you to an extent but it leaves a lot to the artist's interpretation and performance.
It's not about stroking egos, it's about how you personally want to portray and express a particular piece of music.

You seem to really just not care though and want to rage for sake of raging so whatever.

>>70185842
>Chopin's nocturnes played by Claudio Arrau aren't the same as played by Rubinstein
yes, yes they are.

>noone has still listed any modern composers

proof that classical is a dead genre.

>>70185884
Pärt Glass Reich

may be old and memes as well, but they are composing and alive

>>70185884
>the important thing about music is how new it is

>>70185842
There is no reason to record 200+ year old songs hundreds of times. It's the definition of musical masturbation thinking that your slight tweak adds anything that justifies its existence over the dozens or hundreds of recordings that already exist.

>recorded music is all music
>what is live performance

>>70185920
dude he hit that note with SO much passion, like the way he pressed the key on the piano it makes SUCH a difference...incredible rendition

Classical music isn't better or worse than "today's music", but it follows completely different rules and ideals making it nearly uncomparable

John Williams, Hans Zimmer - those are today's geniuses.

>>70184516
>its influenced by black people music, so its shit

really turns your thinks huh

>>70186024
Hans Zimmer is popular music kinda equivalent to Johann Strauß

>>70186095
*Strauss

I've always wondered who had the ''official'' recording of a certain Mozart or Beethoven song, because you know, the one you lsiten all the time, is movies and such, sound exactly the same, so it must be from the same recording, and who did those? (inb4 maybe i'm just a retard and that's how it works, every recording will always sound the same because it's a song that's been around for centuries and there's no way you can sound different from the original scores).

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>this thread
>plebs not able to into the interpretive aspect of music

>>70185865
They literally are not.

>>70185920
>songs
But anyway, the reason is that some people like them more than others, so they buy them. And maybe also to take advantage of new recording technology. That's it, nothing worth getting worked up over.

>>70186148
>plebs thinking they have anything to add to a 300 year old piece of music

>>70186228
>the reason is that some people like them more than others, so they buy them
Sounds strikingly like the concept behind popular music there, anon. And that doesn't account for the people who do the new recordings unless you're saying they do it for the money from the sales of people who want to buy the same Mozart piece for the hundredth time. I thought art music (aka legitimate music) was above that kind of thing.

>>70186228
>They literally are not.
They literally are. All they changed was making a different retarded face while they play them because playing classical music is just so much PASSION and you really have to FEEL it that's why pianists always have to do retarded fucking faces while playing otherwise it wouldn't be considered an "artistic" rendition now go fuck off you pretentious twat

>>70186140
There are usually no "official" recordings, but standards, that are perceived as a kind of a reference.

For example Jochen for Bruckner symphonies or Solti for the Ring des Nibelungen (Rheingold, Walküre, Siegfried, Götterdämmerung)

As far as I know Solti's Ride of the valkyries was used in Apocalypse Now

>>70186303
>>70186305
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCMnC4E2dTQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbrCi1TX_XI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d16iQc6SvK0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNiQZM_oMIU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfSkDBJkPeA
pls tell me how these are performed the same or sound the same.

>rockism
>current year

>>70186415
>one plays it fast
>the other plays it a bit slower

omg the difference it..it is wow...all those different emotions and wow. literally blown away
it really takes a genius to be able to interpret this piece with such passion

>>70186450
>classicalism
>current year

>>70186305
Not >>70186415 but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp7F4y7FWLs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3-OfCHLO-U


Complete different sound, feeling, kind of interpretation and more or less slightly different instruments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoINrtIWpTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHDXdbSWu0E
>>70186476
>classicalism
Who are you quoting?

>>70186476
>classicalism

I'm surprised that some people cannot comprehend the idea that performers genuinely can get lost in some composer's work and classify the performance as simple as "retarded face". Then again, the dude is clearly baiting. I hope he is at least.

>>70186476
I prefer romanticalism

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I bet more than half of these kids in this thread have radiohead as their fave artist and are 16. Like I would bet actual money im so confident.

>>70186452
>tempo not important
>ignoring how they treat the rhythms
Maybe this will be more noticeable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz9LJC5MEqI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GXHjxvSi24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kx013deCcs

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>>70186303
refer to >>70185288 for clarification on the distinction between art and popular music.
>And that doesn't account for the people who do the new recordings
Not even sure what you meant by this.

I could churn out 10,000 shitty renditions of Mozart's piano sonatas to make a quick buck and that would in no way damage the integrity of the composer or the pieces themselves.

Its called film music which is basically our classical of today.

>>70186604
>t. 24 year old classical "enthusiast" with a playcount of 10k on NMH

>>70186514
>Who are you quoting?
Me. I coined it just now. Gonna send it to Merriam Webster in an hour or so.

>>70186623
I've read your shitty bait chart dozens of times because you keep posting it anytime this argument comes up. Please stop being classicalist.

>>70186228
Or the even more simple reason that the performers enjoy performing, and sell recordings so they can afford to continue doing so.

Metal is today's classical music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OffF0e2h4TU

>>70185288
lol Kanye is one of Ame's most scrobbled artists, along with Vladislav Delay who makesliteral ambient music.

>>70186644
better than having radiohead as my favorite band.

>>70186623
art music isn't "better" than popular music though

That's exactly the kind of stuff that leads to people listening to classical to pretend they are intellectuals and spergs like OP

>>70186669
Classical music is today's classical music

>>70186649
Better read it again, because you clearly failed to understand it the first few dozen times.

>>70186669
>>70186635

No, they are not and I'm certainly not saying that out of arrogance

>>70186744
Pretty sure you haven't listened to the song I posted otherwise you wouldn't spout such inane bullshit.

>>70186680
Actually no, it isn't.

>>70185288
wtf is even going on here

am I supposed to click on this and not notice the bigass section in the middle where the main guy who uses this (frankly, unsettling) term goes out of his way to stress that it's not a hierarchical distinction

am I supposed to ignore the fact that this chart portrays Shakespeare as not being for entertainment purposes

I love orchestral music but this is a hot fucking classicist mess and you need some Edward Said in your life

>>70186704
>art music isn't "better" than popular music
it is, however, better

>>70186880
subjective opinion

>>70186891
>subjective opinion
is that in itself a subjective opinion?

>>70182660
>>70182954
Must you inject your racist beliefs into everything you do?
>>70184472
>>70185288
Please gouge your sensory organs out with a broken-in-half pencil you insufferable twats

>>70182613
You my friend are the dumbest of us all, obviously people continue to reinterpret and re-record the works of the "masters" as some might say because there is something there that they feel has not been expressed properly, or because they have a different way of playing things out which they think is worthy of their time (or might make them some money).

As for the painting analogy which has come to rise in this thread,
1. People do in fact reinterpret old works in the same way, tweaking or perhaps just struggling to attain the same prowess as the original artist, analogous to the composer here (though not nearly perfectly, see point 2).
2. This comparison is half-moot. The painting is not a script or a blueprint for an act or recording of art as a composition is to a recording, but is the art itself, as well as a blueprint for reinterpretation if one wishes to look at it as such.

>>70186970
no

>>70186970
No, because there are objectively such things as objectivity and subjectivity

>>70187002
prove it

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>>70182660

>>70187014
subjective opinion

>>70186846
How does it feel having a shit band as your favorite?

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>>70182660
>Go listen to Chimp-Hop, you nigger-loving white slave.

Damn nigga slow down

>>70187042
According to what reasoning?

>>70182613
>songs
spotted the uncultured plebeian

>>70186865
>classical
>only orchestral

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>music

>>70182613
>Like the 1500th recording of some fucking Mozart tune is gonna sound any different?
Actually, all pianists have different interpretation styles and with new recording technology it's attractive to listen to recordings in different sound quality

>>70185288
>helicopter streichquartet
>art

>>70186452
this is bait.

>>70182613
Fuck off Ame

I don't expect the kids on this board who listen exclusively to R[etards]A[ttempting]P[oetry] to be able to understand the apoeals of art music. It's a taste, I suppose, you must acquire at a young age. The kids on this board probably didn't get into music until they were thirteen—that's too old if you want to have a cultivated taste in European art music. Remember: Mozart was composing symphonies by age eight, while Africans were sticking bones through their noses and picking bugs from their scalp.

>>70182613
>Why won't people just make some new tunes?
people do, they've been making new tunes this whole time. Contemporary classical is a thing, and it is being performed and recorded. Not quite as much as the old classics. but its happening.

>>70188294
>while Africans were sticking bones through their noses and picking bugs from their scalp
non sequitur

Holy fuck this thread is a complete shitstorm.

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Some contemporary classical for you all.

Most plebs would never have heard of any of this music, and are contempt to say "film music is the classical of today" or "metal is the classical of today" both are wrong.
While film music is often written by trained composers, its is not intended for the concert hall, and is almost always subservient to the film, instead of being freestanding.
Metal on the other hand is not written by trained composers, and doesn't even come close to the technicality and complexity (not to mention pathos, dynamic and timbral range) or classical music.

Plus metal was invented in 1912 by a classical composer - Stravinsky.

What's with jazz standards and pop standards and the great American songbook? Why are there like 1500 jazz recordings of Autumn Leaves?

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>>70188507
>Plus metal was invented in 1912 by a classical composer - Stravinsky.
Shit chart btw.

>>70187059
I never said Radiohead was my favorite band. I actually find them quite mediocre, but Neutral Milk Hotel is definitely way worse.

>>70188612
>Neutral Milk Hotel is definitely way worse
Further proof that Mangum is underrated.

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>>70188656
Mangum
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>modern classical

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnDmycfIweI

more like modern trash

>>70188745
your trash

>>70188745
The trick is to listen to better composers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYFEFXbNeQQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_liiGxY1dPw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCilfE9Eynk

>>70188745
Based Haas, beautiful piece.

meanwhile in 1998, popular music is still absolute shit

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>>70189090
off by two

>>70188745
dat overtone series.

Why can't popular music into microtones?

>>70189090
>beautiful piece
it's absolute rubbish that people only pretend to like in order to feel some kind of sense of superiority for finding enjoyment in unenjoyable trash
but it's serious art i guess haha good one lad

Classical music and anime OSTs are better than 99.9999999% of the nigger and wankcry "music" /mu/ likes.

>>70189126
>good one lad
same2u

>>70189126
I legitimately enjoyed it. Haas is awesome. Nothing to do with superiority or image, its simply about the music. I think you'll find thats how most classical listeners feel. Classical is like the least "cool" genre there is. No one listens to classical for the image.

Go back to your shit bands if you can't into 20th century classical music.

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>>70188851
>jazz

>>70189280
>no one listens to classical for the image

it's the most pretentious genre there is

>>70189332
I think you're confusing confidence with pretentiousness.

Pretentious is defined as "attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed."
If anything we tend to understate classicals merit

>>70189441
yeah see what you're doing now? acting like a pretentious cunt

>>70189466
>look how not a posh twat I am I even said cunt GOD I "keep it real"

>>70189332
How can a genre (which classical isn't btw) be pretentious?

>>70189610
by having a fanbase that is entirely made up of pretentious shits

classical is a genre btw

>>70189644
>classical is a genre
no

>>70189679
it is
classical music is music of the genre "classical music"

>>70189722
>it is
no

>>70189644
>by having a fanbase that is entirely made up of pretentious shits
So nothing to do with the music then. Nor something necessarily provable.
>classical is a genre
"classical" is an umbrella term for a musical tradition in Western music that spans hundreds of years.
A string quartet is a genre, "classical" or "Baroque" aren't.

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>>70189736
a string quartet means that it's four people with string instruments
but what are they playing?
probably music of the genre "classical music"

>>70189731
>>70189736
Why are you arguing with this clueless philistine?

>>70189773
classical music isn't a genre btw

>>70189466
>cunt
no need for profanity. Either rebut my statement, that no one listens to classical for the image, or move on.

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>>70189773
In the very broad sense, yes classical is a genre called "art music"

The other 2 genres are: "popular music" and "traditional music"

If you want to use the 3 genre axiom, feel free, but you'll also have to accept that pretty much everything you listen to is "popular music", that means all bands, producers, singer-songwriters, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_genre

"Classical" though is a period of art music, from 1750 to ~1820. Its a period during which there were countless genres within classical music.

There are always many genres within classical music, just as there are many genres within popular music.

Classical genres include: opera, chamber music, symphonies, sonatas, trios, string quartets, trio sonatas, lieder, choral, and many others. Each genre evolves over time. So a 17th century symphony is very different to a 20th century symphony, just as 40s club music is very different to 2000s club music.
http://www.musicgenreslist.com/music-classical/

>>70189945
nobody gives a shit about this pretentious rambling that i didn't even finish reading lmao get a fucking grip of your life
typical classical shithead

>>70189763
this

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>>70189989

>>70189989
stay ignorant son. If you're going to call classical a genre, you have to live with all bands, producers and singer-songwriters being "popular music"

Now, continue with your /mu/ experience:
>>>/mu/catalog

You can choose metal, sufjan stevens, a thread about brian wilson's "endgame" or many other popular music topics. Enjoy!

>>70190189
yeah so what
pop is a genre
classical is a genre
epic discovery you have made there

>>70182660
alright George Lucas

>>70190220
>classical is a genre
it's not

>>70182981
Not him, but hiphop is incredibly simple, dumb, static music that anyone can make. Calling it greater than masterworks like Bach's Kunst der Fuge or Mozart's 20th Piano Concerto is absurd.

>>70186891
Learn music theory

>>70191678
and then?

>>70191734
Discover that classical is compositionally superior

This might be the worst thread in 4chan history

>>70191778
subjective opinion

Bait thread, but for those that'll actually take it seriously:

Art music is very much emphasized on not just the compositions, but performance as well. This has become even more important with more "recent" works like say...Terry Riley's In C which has more open ended instructions on performance so each performance is pretty different.

>>70191815
not him but with music theory you can make objective analysis of music. Just to let you know, popular music doesn't stack up to art music.
Just like the low quality art made by people with no idea about perspective, anatomy, and how to work with oils and layer correctly so the canvas lasts hundreds of years.

>>70191917
"In C" is more the exception than the rule. Art music very much focuses on composition. The outcome of each composition is performance, but most of the time you want your score to generate a similair performance each time. Even composers like lutoslawski and penderecki who use aleatoric elements engineer their scores in a way to produce similair performances each time.

>>70192060
pretentious post

>>70192060

>you can make objective analysis of music

prove it

>inb4 muh theory

no, use YOUR OWN words.

>it's another "music theory is objective" episode

>>70192060
I still think the performance aspect is important as it kinda plays a part in the experience and archiving of the music. Also nowadays the idea of aleatoric and indeterminate music has kinda further been split into different definitions ranging from the composition process to how to actually perform.

>>70192172
Not that guy but you can definitely find objective analysis of art music. Often done within an academic structure. That being said, what I have seen is more objective so the actual qualities of the work are analyzed, there isn't necessarily a conclusion as to whether it's good or bad (those are normative and usually more subjective statements.)

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>>70192172
>prove it
motivic analysis:
https://www.teoria.com/en/articles/kdf/I/04.php

chordal analysis:
pic related

You can also analyse orchestration, counterpoint, songwriting (the interaction of the chords, melody and lyrics), and a few other facets.

>>70192208
>it's another it's another episode episode

>>70192241

what if I listen to this and don't like it?

REDPILL: Bach is shit and you all know it.

>>70192275
I think music in rare cases can be interesting and well crafting without being enjoyable. But still, it's petty to listen to music only so you can jerk off over your own music theory knowledge

>>70182660
End you life senpai

>>70192275
Yeah! Fuck all this "challenging music" stuff, only music like Beiber and Ariana Grande are worth listening to because only that stuff sounds pleasant to my ears!

>>70192827
Here's a (You) for acting like a Youtuber 10 year old

>>70192827
>Yeah! Fuck all this "entertaining music" stuff, only music like Mozart and Bach are worth listening to because only that stuff lets me stroke my music major inspired analytic cock.

>>70192905
>Mozart and Bach
>not entertaining

>>70192827
DAE HATE JUSTIN BIEBER? UPBOAT IF YOU LE AGREE XDDDDDD

Does anyone know any good classical recordings that are done with analog synthesizers?

>>70192275
>what if I listen to this and don't like it?
not physically possible, its Bach.

>>70192682
shit how? What would you consider "good" music so we can laugh at you

>>70192935
>>70192961
>missed the point for the sake of talking shit/trolling
Eh, what can I expect from losers who are too pussy to appreciate high quality music?

>>70192952
So let me get this right. Music, that is challenging, requires a lot of observation and analysis to get all its various subtleties and appreciating that is MORE self-centered than say...shitting on music like that because "wah wah i didn't get it initially so it sucks!"?

Do you not see that you are more responsible for this self-centered bullshit that you accuse others of? Sure there are people who listen to art music to appear smart, but even listening to it for that is too much work. Compare that to how much of a self-centered decision liking/not liking something is just because it didn't initially appeal to your subjective base instincts. Shit that's like hating on a black person because you have never met someone with a different skin color and culture than you before because you are too self-centered to notice that there are things you don't understand and you don't wish to understand them.

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>>70193071

>>70193166

thank you beb <3

>>70193142
I'm not him but I'd rather listen to Jacquet de la Guerre than Bach.

>>70193196
Here it is on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPdE01SoOBQ
based Schnittke and Gubaidulina

these are also good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwtAMGXyTI4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5n1pZn4izI

Classical, once again at the cutting edge of experimentation (those 2 above are from late 50s and early 60s respectively)

>>70193154
Analysis is not the sole purpose of music. I appreciate that art music is more capable of analysis than the various forms of pop music but what I don't agree with is that art music is all that's worth listening to simply because of this ability to be analyzed. My view here is based on 90% of the discussion of art music I've seen on here being elitist dick waving from people who think anything that can't be deeply analyzed isn't worth listening to.

>>70193351
You talk like analysis, observation, and understanding doesn't entail any form of enjoyment. Perhaps you're again, thinking too much from what YOU want and not enough from what others think. Art music gets its status because it's all about the music itself when it comes to art music. Not even the composer, or the "fans", or the business side/image that is emphasized with popular music.