/classical/

>>70159027
>fix your self-esteem issues with the help of a therapist
shill and ideology

Is Mozart cool because he was a genius or is it because he was a young person?

>>70159797
Because he didn't give a shit

>>70159797
he is the classical equivalent of listening to an underground rock band that isn't known, he is that underrated

post a greater solo piano piece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe-GrRQz8pk

What's your favorite classical performance that you expected to hate?

Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w433wbM14Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jem-LgKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MU1T6uDXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s22fNJdICQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNpxyjYPVUg

>>70160127
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSn3qr7vEfQ

>>70160127
Wish that nigga would record more Chopin. I only have his ballades disc, concertos, 3 mazurkas and a waltz.

>>70160174
underrated

>>70159977
Literally every pleb knows Mozart though.

He's the equivalent of the Beatles. Everyone knows him, but few know what actually makes his music so good.

Why are classical aficionados so pretentious? I've never come across a more pretentious music subculture

>>70160388
500 years of discourse

>>70160388
What about black metal?

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What do you think about British musicians?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euOu89d3npA

>>70160666
>British
>musicians
Appropriate digits.

>>70144316
>>70144473
>>70144514
>>70144636
>>70149061
>>70149226
>>70149495
You idiots
It's a cover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTMVOzPPtiw
https://clyp.it/ti4dhz5s

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@70160976

>>70160666
Ferneyhough is cool, so is Michael finnissy.

Renaissance English composers are based as fuck. Tavener, Tallis, Fayrfax etc.

>>70160976
>guy literally said "like a chump"
you are also an idiot

>Listen to Franck
>he sounds like a better Mahler
>nobody cares

Bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNkY03rTWf8

>>70160337
enlighten us, professor

>>70163057
>composer is good
>other composer is also good
>???
>civilization benefits from this

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>>70163723
>>civilization benefits from this
that's a bad thing

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>>70163805
>mfw nationalism will return harder than ever in my lifetime

So who are the certified plebeian composers? So far I've got

Chopin
Tchaikovsky
Rachmaninoff
Mozart
Rossini
Frescobaldi
Wagner
Verdi
J.C. Bach
Debussy
Glazunov
Gluck
Nielsen

>>70159027
Requiem obvsly

>>70160174
petzold

>all these Chopin links
that's why this thread is shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmm1kC_fAaU

>>70163917
Antonio Vivaldi
Richard Strauss
Henryk Górecki

>>70163917
name one (1) good composer then

>>70164155
J.S. Bach

>>70164155
Lutoslawski

>>70164182
more like wewtoslawski

>>70163917
Schubert
Handel
Ockeghem
Gesualdo

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>>70159027
https://clyp.it/ti4dhz5s
listen to this cool track

>>70163917
>>70164147
>>70164235

All of these composers are great
(except Gorecki)

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>>70160666
>tfw her net worth is 45mil$
>tfw that video actually worked
I hate humanity.

>>70163917
Beethoven
Mahler
Schumann
Schoenberg
Brahms
Webern

>>70164289
envy green

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>>70163917
>>70164147
>Frescobaldi
>Vivaldi
>pleb

>>70163917
Ravel
Boulanger

>>70164502
>hating terrible artists for cashing out on their being slutty is envyness
k

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https://clyp.it/1u3d2lcy
stop not listening to this

>>70164647
give up composition forever please

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>>70159977

>>70164607
yes

>>70164250
>>70164647
It's actually shit rofl

>>70159027
Any thoughts one the counterpoint work of Jimmy Wyler for guitar? I've been digging on his etudes and there's a lot of stuff there. Curious to hear what you think of it, definitely not only for guitarists!

https://youtu.be/nJbIQDVjX2c

>>70165045
>!
not gonna listen to him now

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Was your favorite Bach interpreter knighted? No? Then shut the fuck up.

>>70165229
>2017
>feudalism

>>70165261
Progress at last

>>70165229
Actually yes (its sir Andras Schiff)

>>70165229
>Schiff
>not Koroliov

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>>70165229
Yes.
He was taken from us too soon.

>>70165229
post one schiff bach video that i won't fall asleep to

>>70165229
>British "people"

>>70165367
he's a jew, mate

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>>70165315
>kockrollioff

>>70165390
>this is somehow better

>>70165229
leninorder > knighthood

>>70165432
true

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Best living conductor.

Where do i find Arraus Heritage Collection? I rarely download anything these days, but just listened to Arraus playing Brahms op.5 no 3 and I fucking need this

>>70165359
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNWOhm5iXxs

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>>70165511
>this is what HIPsters actually believe

>>70165511
>Peter Eotvos
>Michael Tilson Thomas
>Ivan Fischer
No

>>70165646
>Erstaunlich, that anyone would want to deny Jews the music of Bach, as if the music itself contained the contagion of anti-semitism. I favored Barenboim conducting Wagner in Israel, but I see the issue. There is really no similar issue here. Talk about the St. John Passion if you like. But as a general rule if you apply collective guilt to instrumental music you'll find yourself living in a narrow world
what did he mean by this

>>70165822
>living in a narrow world
sounds fun to me

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>>70165511

>>70165797
>Tilson Thomas
>no Vänskä or Salonen

>>70165879
he looks at least 20% west african

>>70165646
seriously what do you see in his playing? is it irony? is it intentional dullness that I'm not edgy enough to appreciate?

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>>70165907

>>70165901
Based Finns.

>>70165511
JEG has improved a lot over the years and has gone from completely intolerable for me to relatively good

his recent Missa Solemnis for instance is much more interesting than his old recording

don't really care for his Brahms though. i want Immerseel to do a Brahms HIP cycle, i think that could be interesting.

>>70165901
>underrating MTT
Pleb

>>70165923
Schiff is one of those modernist dudes who believe they should interpret the sheet music free of ego, but with Bach you're forced to make choices so even the dullest playing will be personal. I like the faster tempos he picks, the way he does trills, not pedaling is always a plus, dynamics are more subtle than most pianists without being absent, his technique is good and there's something enjoyable about the way that comes across when playing notes evenly.

>>70166948
>with Bach you're forced to make choices
how?

I'm sorry but i just don't find Bach to be all that good, i like the violin sonatas but his harpsichord stuff just sounds same-y after a while and i stop caring about his skill at counterpoint.

>>70167646
>i stop caring about his skill at counterpoint.

chances are you don't have any idea what that even means.

>>70167679
I honestly do it's just boring for some reason, i think it's more the harpsichord than Bach himself

>>70167323
Unmarked tempos, zero indication of dynamics, fingering, ornaments are played differently by many people, slurs are only written to extend a note across measures. He doesn't even specify what instrument it's for. The tiny differences between interpretations can be interesting and keeps his music feeling alive.

>>70167646
>Bach on harpsichord
Disgusting. Listen to Richter and Nikolayeva play Bach

>>70167726
>>70164090

>>70167726
Well if you're tired of the sonics then just spend a month listening to chant and then get back at 'er.

Rec soothing music.

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>finally learn how to play Beethoven's 32th sonata
>tfw can't play the last 3 minutes without shedding at least a couple of tears

>>70167760
>>70167726
>doesn't like Bach on harpsichord
ultimate pleb filter

also much of Bach's work is overrated in general. His cantatas and church organ pieces are god tier, but he's nowhere near the first composer I'd go for with violin sonatas or harpsichord music

>>70168943
>pleb feels

>>70169107
>violin sonatas or harpsichord music
violin sonatas fine, but who wrote better harpsichord music?

>>70169197
Scarlatti

>>70169300
>Scarlatti on harpsichord
Absolutely haram.

>>70160337
Beatles arent' good though

>>70166948
THIS

>>70169683
that's anon's point

>>70169185
You're the real pleb here.

>>70169683
they had their moments. generally considered as "good" in popular music. Also studied by songwriting and composition students, just like Mozart. Also somewhat avant garde (for popular music) in their day

>>70169683
t. Zombies fag

>>70160337
>but few know what actually makes his music so good.
But that's not true for Beatles. There is nothing to be studied in their music. They just hanged out in a room and improvised chords, themes and lyrics. There is no craft behind their music, therefore there's no material to bu studied by academics.

>>70169107
post an aurally enjoyable harpsichord piece. the instrument is the goddamn worst, Bach's GOAT obviously but come on

>>70168943
>32th
>2th

>>70170256
*32nd
My bad, English is not my native language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdYCSGSEHZ4&feature=youtu.be&t=11m50s
atonality btfo!

>>70170293
>pleb feels

>>70170323
>tfw the theme song of every classical music documentary sucks
Come the fuck on, you guys have listened to the best humanity has to offer and that's what you guys come up with?

>>70170323
can't they just do subtitles

>>70170474
you'd think so

>>70170540
it would have been especially useful when he starts talking about french grammar. what were they thinking

>>70169855
confirmed for never studying music at university / college. Songwriting and composition lecturers love to analyze the beatles. Even though they had no idea what they were doing, they managed to somehow do things worthy of academic study. Kind of like a 60s gesualdo.

Specifically their use of chords and keys in combination with lyrics are on par with guys like Schubert in terms of songwriting.

You give yourself away as not being one of the few who know what makes them good.

>>70171010
That's a load of bullshit. The best version of any of their songs is a cover version (Joe Cocker, With a Little Help from my Friends), and the only good song they performed themselves has very few lyrics and is totally uncharacteristic of their work in general (I Want You (She's So Heavy)). Everything else from them is just a bunch of boring crap.

>>70168752
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSeg69d3CQ8

>spend 8 months doing ear training 5 hours everyday (with daily 20 minutes lessons)
>tfw now I can see scores in my head while listening to music
My appreciation for music increased exponentially. If you guys are true classical music buffs you owe yourselves to train your ears. It's a whole other world.

>>70171337
How did you do that?

>>70171337
so THAT's why salieri was able to be moved by sheet music

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Stop listening to Mahler

>>70171358
I did lots of hear training while commuting to uni (I had 4 hours of commute everyday, and I usually do it for 20 minutes when I wake up, 20 minutes after lunch and 20 minutes before going to sleep), and everyday I would check my progress and get new exercises by my composition teacher.
The first 2 weeks were extremely frustrating, but as soon as you get the hang of it you will progress quickly.
Also it's propedeutic to composition and music theory, you will find out after a few months that your musical intuitions are now much more sophisticated and precise.
>>70171361
I can read scores and hear the music in my head too, but my skills on that are not quite as solid. i often find myself doing minor errors (wrong notes and wrong values, usually in the ornamentations).
The mistakes I make are very similar to the ones I used to make when playing piano. In a sense reading music means that you're using your mind as an instrument, wich means that you need lots of training to get that right.

>>70171468
Did you use ear training software?

>>70165229
No. Unfortunately Glenn Gould never had that honor.

>>70171516
Nope, I mostly used .mp3 files that my teacher recorded for his students. In the 2 months it was mostly intervals identification, after that I trascribed initially dummy pieces by my teacher, in the last 3 months I've trascribed mostly Beethoven's and Mozart's string quartets and lots of Bach's cantata piano reductions.

>>70171608
Interesting, I might give that a shot. How accurate have you been at transcribing mature pieces?

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>>70171444
Continue listening to Mahler

>>70171665
I make very few errors with solo pieces. I can transcribe orchestral works too, but I'm still fairly uncertain when it comes to say wich instrument played wich note.

>>70171703
Keep us updated, I'm curious about what exercising this skill will do to your composing abilities.

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>>70171666
Nice trips

http://www.strawpoll.me/12048785

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What is the saddest key?
https://youtu.be/F8RPbPWFQCc
I vote f minor desu

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>>70171860
It's actually Wagner

>>70171444
>>70171737
>>70171907
>>70172000
Stop spamming, you moron.

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>>70172012
"""no"""

Smell my nuts

>2 hours and 45 minutes of choral music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ4i83OdsqI

>>70172048
It's some good shit tho i sleep to that

Post manly pieces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3QV2ADmf1o

>>70171906
d minor according to a documentary i saw

i wonder how many people only view these threads, never posting anything

>>70172076
right here, its good
https://youtu.be/sJ4i83OdsqI?t=2077

I've played classical guitar for years, and I've just noticed that I can sing a E at will, perfectly in tune, without the need of any external reference. From memory I can sing also A, B, C,D and G at will, but I always need to sing C first. Does that mean that I can develop absolute ear?

https://youtu.be/7wUJ-aAB-Xk
https://youtu.be/iZCWB9CvsqY

>>70172376
why would you do that on 4chan? the whole point of coming here is to post

>>70172543
because some people are that insecure

Petzold

>>70172693
see, you can just post Petzold and no one will judge you. this is what 4chan is for

While I do enjoy Strauss' Also sprach Zarathustra, do you understand it more if you read Nietzsche's novel?

>>70172746
Yep, and you should also read the program. Every section refers, throug his title and content to specific chapters of Also Sprach Zarathustra.
This applies to all of his poems.

>>70172746
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2afrV4f-9EI

>>70172786
Welp, it seems like I finally found a reason to read it then.

I've heard its a beautiful mess.

>>70172847
it's*

>>70172847
Well, it's a mess.

>>70172534
Nobody?

>>70173398
Probably not, but training would still benefit you.

How many singung lessons should I take to be good at solfage? I'm pretty goot ad identifying immediatly the notes, but my voice always crack up, and while I have a good falsetto I have zero control over low notes. How many hears does it take to fix it?

>>70172725
Krachenżur

rip Pretre ;_;

>>70174394
What are some good recordings of his? I have his Saint-Saens already.

>>70170186
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_aQWK-Uc20

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>>70170186
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHr8wxlsKvI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMbBYR_lplE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-JD5Kv2js0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sFyywRq-SE
Not even a challenge.

>>70175843
put on a tripcode already

>>70172534
No, it's something you're born with and, like synesthesia, nearly every who claims to have it is lying. What you're describing is relative pitch. You can learn more reference pitches with enough exposure but won't get to the point of being able to identify extremely high or low pitches by instinct.

Anyone know where I can download Final Alice?

>>70159027
The Josquin motet folders are very messy. Not really sure how best to sort them out though.
>>70161157
Tavener =/= Taverner
And you missed out Power, Frye, Dunstable, White etc.
>>70165511
His most recent B minor mass recording is mostly just "DUDE LOOK AT HOW FAST I CAN GO LMAO" which is a pity because his Bach is usually pretty good. Kirkby agrees with me on this.
>>70171337
This is singing in (good) choirs is generally positive.
>>70172048
>missa Ecce Sacerdos Magnus
Always funny to see it with the two overlapping texts. Palestrina wasn't always muh clarity and muh papae marcelli
>>70172847
It was more engaging than most Nietzsche.

post your daily mozart piece

>>70177425
further proof that petzold is underrated

>>70176737
This is singing in (good) grammar is generally positive.

>>70171010
Jesus christ you've been brainwashed by opinionated music lovers and try to bring this shit here?
Come on the beatles were just fooling around.
No need to have the massive confirmation bias to put them in a pedestal just because you enjoy it.

Rec the harshest common practice piano piece you can think of.

>>70178801
https://youtu.be/Ii3oEVz1rVg

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Do you think a sonata form in the first movement of a symphony is required /classical/? Is a symphony that doesn't feature this sonata form automatically bad? I'm asking, because i'm currently trying to write my first symphony, and i really just do it from my gut. I'm scared people will bash it if it doesn't follow conventional music theory rules for classical music

>>70179924
don't worry, no one will care about your symphony in the first place

>>70179924
Do whatever you want.

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>>70179924
Sounds like you've never studied composition.

>>70179946
maybe, but that's not the point

>>70179924
Composers only did that in the classical and romantic eras in order to front-load the composition with the most interesting part so the audience doesn't get bored right away. Nowadays we don't care about things like that because we're more enlightened

>>70179977
you said you were afraid people will bash it
i explained why that would not happen

>>70180021
People who studied classical music will very much tell you that it's not a symphony if it doesn't obey symphonic convention. The first movement of a symphony was almost always in sonata-allegro form during the late 18th century and through the 19th and people cling to these rules to this day and call all modernist classical pieces trash

>>70180033
You're retarded. It was a specific concern, (the point) and you're still missing it.

>>70180094
Those people sound like pedantic nerds

>>70180134
Welcome to classical music.

>>70177691
I dont really care that much for them. Just saying there is something worthy of study, and something that does regularly get studied at academic level.

If you do a music degree you might glean some of the "why"

>>70180094
The modern symphony is whatever you want it to be. The same goes for pretty much any form. You can write a sonata that isn't even in sonata form and no one is going to care.

The symphony to contemporary composers is simply a "large scale work for orchestra" beyond that, its up to the individual. It could be 1 movement, it could be 2 movements, it could be 6 movements, whatever you like.

It could be 4 fugue movements and then a homophonic song with soprano accompaniment

>>70176617
I am never going to find this....

>>70180475
Follow the Final White Rabbit.

Why are Beethoven's piano sonatas so good? Perfect mix between being technical and listenable.

>>70177425
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oVRP29N5Wzk

>>70177425
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkhwK5YEksI

>>70180113
>It was a specific concern
That was irrelevant.
>you're still missing it
No.

>>70177425
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URQJ4kqVdNA

Who's the best Mozart conductor? And the best pianist?

>>70182206
Gulda for piano.

give me some inspiration regarding counterpoint. i'm working on counterpoint and making some riffs with it
https://clyp.it/vngvna1z <--like this one

>>70182671
post sheet music

>>70182831
for that riff? i don't have a program to make sheet music and i just started back reading dots a couple days ago. played piano when i was little

>>70182917
> i don't have a program to make sheet music and i just started back reading dots a couple days ago. played piano when i was little
go back >>70181002

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>>70182671
>>70182917

>>70159027
New to classical, what the does the conductor add to a performance? Is he basically a metronome?

>>70183324
And a hammer.

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>>70183218
>>70183189
i can't help it

>>70183632
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFLPdxdvEXk

For the next 10 posts no one is allowed to link or discuss any radioclassical composer.

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who's your husbando

>>70183324
The decided beforehand how he's gonna interpret the piece, and trains the orchestra to do his style

>>70183917
you failed >>70183879

and yes, Mozart is radioclassical. regardless of it you think he is underrated or not, he is one of the top played composers on radio

>>70183999
>Mozart
you failed
nice trips tho

last thread some dude was talking about bach pieces for lute that would be good for guitar, does anybody know where to find these?
any other pieces that are good for guitar practise are also welcome.

>>70184051
https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/j/johann_sebastian_bach/fugue_in_a_minor_tab.htm

>>70184051
see >>70183696
There's speculation that those pieces weren't written for the lute. IIRC, due to technical difficulties that suggest they could have been written for keyboard instruments.

>>70184119
lautenwerck?

>>70183879
Is petzold radioclassical?

>>70184051
start by making your own arrangements after you've become sufficient at playing other peoples transcriptions. you'll learn a lot from arranging keyboard/cello/violin/flute/whatever pieces for guitar, and they'll sound closer to your actual style because you're the one arranging it.

>>70184177
No idea. This is the article, I think: http://www.thisisclassicalguitar.com/bachs-lute-suites-clive-titmuss/

>>70184275
>Bach wrote the music for, and probably at, the lute-harpsichord

>>70184532
Yeap, couldn't recall that, nor whether I agreed with this conclusion.

does classical have subgenres the same way jazz has hard bop, post-bop, free jazz and rock has punk, grunge, classic, indie, etc?

>>70184836
Yes, I don't know if this is the same in jazz but they are separated by time period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_music

>>70184051
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1otp6aije3o

>>70184836
It's usually linked to prevailing art movements of the time and place, like early 1700s French music is rococo then in the late 1800s it was impressionism. There's overlap with some as well.

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>>70184051
I have pic related which i find great.

>>70184836
No, all classical sounds like Mozart and Petzold

>>70186254
Petzold is at least 74 genres on his own

>>70186158
>Baroque music played on guitar and not in original key
i want this meme to die desu

>>70186289
Exactly, that's why everything sounds like him

>>70186304
Well it's a sad truth that the guitar is very limited in terms of what keys are playable. Most of the suites though are in the original key.

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>>70186373

>>70186456
How does the bridge not get ripped off when you tune it?

>>70186483
There's probably a very expensive reason.

Boccherini

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ3FbGOG9nU

Reminder that Bach is best on piano.

>>70186693
>not organ, the instrument he was famous for playing in his lifetime

Personally I think Bach is best with choir and a small baroque orchestra. His choral writing is sublime and the lyrics allow him more reasons to insert pathos into the music.

Reminder that Bach is best on vocaloid.

petzold

Eroica is Beethoven's best symphony.

Prove me wrong.

>>70186578
His fandango is some good shit

>>70188252
The 9th exists

>>70188405
>Beethoven's 9this good

All of it excluding the finale is subpar to what he regularly made

>>70188581
literally the opposite

>>70188603
>this guy

I bet you hate the 7th

>>70188638
*tips fedora*

>>70188638
i only hate the bourgeoisie

>>70188697
>I fell for the bait

Well memed I guess

>>70188734
>if i may say so myself

>>70188734
>>70188750
petzold

>>70184051
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbFX7a044Es

Superior eroica coming thorugh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mznNrpfs0hQ

Link > Napoleon
Koji Kondo > Beethoven
Yumeduo > Berliner Philharmoniker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkWcUtga1lw

>>70189525
yes m8

Just found out Steve Reich is still alive. When is he dropping his next mixtape? Is he still relevant?

Who's the Elliott Carter of music?

>>70163917
Copland

>>70164155
>>70164273
That's the meme, you dip

>>70192177
petzold

Does anyone now what the hell the percussive-sounding instruments are called at these times in this video?
1:30
2:48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE1FkfTYMvU

>>70192752
are you talking about the plucked strings?

I've tried to listen to classical music once in a while over many years (very little in total really) and was always unsatisfied, it seemed boring and bad for some reason. Which was kind of frustrating because according to what everyone said about classical, it should have been right up my alley.

But today I listened to the Bach Fugue G-minor BWV 578 Miku video linked in the OP and it was great (piano version is good too). The composition made sense, it's structured well, it doesn't constantly go off in random directions, and it's interesting.

So it turns out the reason for me feeling that classical music is bad is that everything I've listened to prior to this was shit. Bach is good and every other classical composer I've listened to is shit. Reading this thread it seems like there are some memes along those lines, but I'm serious. Anyway just wanted to share.

>>70193442
J.S. Bach confirmed entry-level pleb music

Bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KAw5Mthveo

>>70177425
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjAXCN7Q-Ow

>>70191741
Apparently he released a piece called "Pulse" last year.

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Reminder that Mozart is exit-level.

>>70193475
Bach's music is made to sound good. Anyone can enjoy it.

Bi,[/

>>70196273
This is why I'll never be a great pianist...

>>70193442
Know that feel, I've had the same exact experience listening to Bach's first Contrapunctus.

>>70191741
he did some gay shit with radiohead as one might expect

>>70196365
>>70193442
great, more entry-level babbies to entertain

I only listen to classical music.

What is a good recording of Bach's harpsichord concertos?

>>70194341
Is it true /classical/, is it true that jazz actually have more chord progressions, voicings, structures, meters, and rhythms than whatever art music because AM is more constrained? Is it true that jazz allow for more freedom and because of that become more complex than the classics?

>>70197323
>Assuming by "classical music" most people probably mean music between like 1650-1900 and people like Mozart and Beethoven and Bach, rather than later composers like Schoenberg or whatever,
Then this is a vacuous point. Jazz developed around the same time as modernist music (in fact you could argue that it was heavily influenced by and is a form of modernist music), so it shouldn't be surprising that they share characteristics.

whats a good recording of Bach's harpsichord concertos?

>>70197589
hantai or leonhardt

>>70197323
>AM is more constrained
(not true by the way)

>>70197589
>>70197754
staier is good too but fuck that acoustic

>>70197754
>>70197846
thoughts on these recordings?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITVadLwiJG0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsvr6nenEeE

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWki-Jac8H0

jazz is music made by blacks influenced by completely different kinds of music that got to the people by completely different means and was preserved in completely different ways and was constantly developed and changed for like half a century

why the fuck are people comparing it to 'classical' music? makes zero sense, it must just be to make people mad or something

It's so sad that most of the great jazz composers were not formally educated.
Imagine what McCoy Tyner could have done, if he had studied lots of composition, theory and counterpoint in his teenagehood.
If classical music taught me something, is that there is a standard for excellence in virtually every genre, but most of them get swamped by amateurs who cater to the lowest common denominator.

should I be learning Bach's C Major prelude note-by-note or chord-by-chord? I'm still very much a beginner

>>70164647
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_(music)

>>70198707
I'd try chord by chord if you're still starting out.

What does /Classical/ think of Franz Lehar?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMroA9Cm288

>>70198707
Chord by chord, then note by note at an extremely slow pace. Remember to focus on the tone, you're playing a piece wich relies on a very specific aesthetic.

>>70198312
Well hey, The Beatles are basically Gesualdo and Schubert, as we've already seen.

>>70199468
>Beatles
>Gesualdo
Yes, they're all cucks.

>>70164250
it has this rhythm thats almost like a dance beat. it gets lame overtime, and also that violin solo doing the pentatonics kinda makes this worse. Id say try playing with more rhythms, like put a section where you get some polyrhythm thing going. it would diversify the song and make it more intriguing. And for the violin try working on actual melodies or riffs instead of just going off with pentatonic scale because it sounds a bit silly

>>70193442
The Civ V European soundtrack got me started on classic. At first I dismissed that classic was good on the basis that I simply like music that is made for video games, but then Godel, Escher, Bach: The Golden Braid showed me the light of Bach, and it was at that point I decided I was going to give classical music a better chance.

>>70193346
The only plucked strings I've heard don't have as much of a distinct pop in their sound as what I heard at 2:48. Can you show me a song where plucked strings are made to sound like that in real life? Honestly, it sounds more like a marimba than plucked strings, but even the marimba doesn't sound close enough.

Post music for babbys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0M9aNz7H8E

How have your tastes developed since you started listening to classical? Is there something you hated that you ended up loving?

>>70200789
dick

>>70198166
It would be so funny to have a singer for this, unamplified.

I'm bored, post the best music you've listened to recently.

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>>70200789
I used to hate warbly opera singing but now I can't listen to a lot of rock because the vocals are so amateurish by comparison.

>>70201204
The best opera singing is really quite incredible.
Outscreaming an orchestra with no microphones for upwards of 2-4 hours

How can babby pop musicians with their microphones even compete?

>>70201228
I like mario del monaco's singing mostly for the loudness

>>70201154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SCMkrSb1k4

Rec me some polyrhythms that are before modern era

>>70201275
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pze4NxCOjg0

>>70201275
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2hlsVYEXqc

>>70201228
As I read up on it, there was a surprising amount of technical knowledge behind opera. Singer's formats and squillo to cut through instruments with specific overtone frequencies. It made me respect they're truly passionate musicians more than what "energy" counts for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s-coTlGgBU

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>>70201435
>Playback on other websites has been disabled by the video owner.

>>70201472
fuck

Anyone know of classical arrangements of pop songs that made them work?

>>70201662
Nope.

>>70197323
>the difference between popular and serious music can be grasped in more precise terms than those referring to musical levels such as "lowbrow and highbrow", "simple and complex", "naive and sophisticated". For example, the difference between the spheres cannot be adequately expressed in terms of complexity and simplicity. All works of the earlier Viennese classicism are, without exception, rhythmically simpler than stock arrangements of jazz. Melodically, the wide intervals of a good many hits such as "Deep Purple" or "Sunrise Serenade" are more difficult to follow per se than most melodies of, for example, Haydn, which consist mainly of circumscriptions of tonic triads and second steps. Harmonically, the supply of chords of the so-called classics is invariably more limited than that of any current Tin Pan Alley composer who draws from Debussy, Ravel, and even later sources. Standardization and non standardization are the key contrasting terms for the difference.

>in Beethoven and in good serious music in general — we are not concerned here with bad serious music which may be as rigid and mechanical as popular music — the detail virtually contains the whole and leads to the exposition of the whole, while, at the same time, it is produced out of the conception of the whole. In popular music the relationship is fortuitous. The detail has no bearing on a wholes, which appears as an extraneous framework. Thus, the whole is never altered by the individual event and therefore remains, as it were, aloof, imperturbable, and unnoticed throughout the piece. At the same time, the detail is mutilated by a device which it can never influence and alter, so that the detail remains inconsequential. A musical detail which is not permitted to develop becomes a caricature of its own potentialities.

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>>70201189
Glenn Gould's WTK is better.

>>70193475
Every composer has entry level pieces.